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- OCT 29 W NEMORANDUM FOR: L. C. Shao, Deputy Director, DET/RES FROM:
Robert Masterson, Comanche Peak Technical Review Team
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COMANCHE PEAK TECHNICAL REVIEW TEAM interviewed in person in the On presenc representative ~ R. C. Tang and a certified court reporter.
The purpose of the interview was to clarify information concerning allegations made a part of our Category 32. During the interview it became apparent that, based upon the infonnation obtained from' indicating that@ad already discussed these issues with the Region IV inspectors. Upon further discussions,Masaid thatMhad received a copy of the Region IV report (Report #50/445/84/05) in June 1984 and that Swas completely satisfied with the results of the report and had no further ccmplaints.
When the TRT returned from the interview and checked the Region IV report, we discovered the fact that g lallegations had previously been addressed under Category 31, Ailegations AP-18 through AP-22. Since the TRT agreed with the Region IV report and sihce the alleger had already said he is satisfied witc. the report, I feel strongly that a trip to Glen Rose, Texas, to reiterate the alleger's response would not be frugal at this stage in our investigation.
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. MS. TANG: For the record, this is an interview of i for the purpose of clarifying some of the technical concerns % M - regarding the construction of the Comanche Peak steam electric station. The location of this interview is Present at this interview are Mr. Bob Masterson who is the mechanical engineer, Technical l
Review Team, NRC; also myself, R. C. Tang, NRC. As agreed, i
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l questions to ask regarding your concerns. .
Where are you currently employed?
l MS. TANG: Can you tell me a little bit about what ycu were doing at Comanche Peak and when you left, etc?
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21R . MASTERSON: I read your sworn statement dated You were talking about some hangers that were on the, I assume, N containment building, talking about bevel cuts being made on hangers.
Uh-huh.
MR. tiASTERSON: You added to your statement a possible hanger number and$ and there were two other cases in the statement where you also had a hanger number--
Right. Those specific hangers were the or.es I worked on personally.
ME. MASTERSON: When I went to investigate and review i those hanger packages, I could not find the specific numbers.
They might have changed them up some.
MR. MASTERSON: I found numbers close by. Are you fairly certain that those numbers are correct?
i To the best of my knowledge, that's the number of the package that I worked on. ,
MR. tiASTERSON: If I showed you a copy of a drawing similar to this here, would you be able to--
I might be able to identify it, yes, sir.
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ones that you previously identified.
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l MR. MASTERSON: Is that one of them you worked on?
j Uh-huh.
MR. MASTERSON: Then I assume that Yes.
MR. MASTERSON: This blueprint is l What kind of torch were you using?
Just a regular cutcing torch.
MR. MASTERSON: lland torch?
Uh-huh. On this particular hanger we used a rose bud. On the bottom part of the pipe right here--
l these sides are cut in four different pieces and because l this is right there where it starts a bend in the main stene i
loop going around where it goes into the compartment to tic into the steam generator, we had to cut these saddles in I four different pieces to make them fit to the pipe. On this l
bottom down here, we had an inch and a quarter gan-- l 5rpsira w sf MR. I'ASTERSON : Gap between the Mcar enginc-and the '
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--and to close the gap, the foreman and
5 the general foreman told me to use a rose bud. I put a 20-
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ton hydraulic jack up under it wrapped with two ton-and-a-i half come-alongs and rose buds. He preheated this piece of metal until it bent and conformed to the shape of the pipe.
MR. MASTERSON: Do you know whether that's against pro-cedure or whether that's allowed by procedure?
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read a procedure where it states you could put that much at without using temps. There's a certain amount of heat you can do according to procedure, but when you get beyond, there's no way we can gauge the heat--
. MR. MASTERSON: It was not controlled in any way?
No. That thing was so hot you cculdn't hardly stand close to it. It was cherry, cherry red. It was almost to the point the metal was melting. Anytime you do that you put a certain amount of stress on this hanger.
Of course, this hanger was stress-relieved, so it made--
all the molecules may have been put back in order; but any-time you put that much heat on a piece of metal, unless you do stress-relieve it, you make it brittle.
MR. MASTERSON: Again, let me make sure I'm clear on it. You say between the stanchion and the saddle, the gap--
No, between the saddle and the pipe.
MR. MASTERSON: Between the saddle and the pipe.
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. So t t weld, it's got an inch and a quarter weld going around the saddle here where the stanchion weld is on here it's welded inside the stanchion fitting.
It's got a two and three quarter inch short side on this weld. It's got a tremendous amount of weld on it. There's probably not anything wrong with it, but they were asking us specific questions about things that we were heating; and this is what I told them in one case that came to mind because the foreman stood and watched the QC come up the ladder while we were doing this. That's why I didn't think it was kosher to do it, but we were told to do it by the general foreman and the foreman.
MR. MASTERSON: According to the ISO, this particular hanger is quite a way away from the bend, eight feet.
It's just where the bend starts, just where it almost starts. The bend is right here, and the hanger is right here.
MR. !!ASTERSON: The saddle is still on a straight piece af pipe.
!!o , it's not exactly straight. That's the reason the saddle wouldn't fit. Just as you go up the stairs to 885 where they had the platform--it's not there now, I'm sure--
MR. MASTERSOM: Okay. That's another cuestion I had now that you've brought that uo. I couldn't find any stairs
7 on that side of the steam generator.
There used to be a set of stairs going up there when I worked there; just as you come up the stairs, they had a wooden platform you'd come off on, and it was right.to the right. l MR. MASTERSON: I know what--I looked at this hanger; I know which one it is.
You have a two-inch plate. These saddles should be two inches thick, I think, if that's the same hanger I'm talking about. I went out and showed the NRC people the hanger.
MR. MASTERSON: Can you pinpoint who you showed it to--
I can't remember the names. They met me,
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and I went out with two or three of them. He went on-site.
MR. MASTERSON: If I mentioned some names, would you recognize them?
I don't know if I could remember the names.
I only ' met the guys a couple of times. They were on-site; they had offices over there.
MS. TANG: You're talking about the ,
visit, or is it different?
It may have been the These hanger numbers may not be the ones. I can pinpoint the hangers that I worked on, put my handr> richt on it, shew you what I'm talking about. That's what I told them: I have
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MR. MASTERSON: I can understand that. !! anger numbers are very--
.i hkiuhjjgij% I worked on so many. All I worked on mainly
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,,c .: . . r.;3w These look like they've been changed up since we worked on them. Some of the hangers when I went out there had been torn,down and reworked. Of course, there's probably quite a few of them that's been done that way now. If that's the case, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it because somebody else has redone it completely.
There's one around the corner on this same loop. It's not 9
on A05. I can't remember the hanger number. It goes richt around the corner; it's on the 04 line, I believe; just as it starts to make the rise--
MR. MASTERSON: Is the sym.etric--
Where it starts to make the rise going into the--right before it makes the bend going into the contain-ment, it's got about a thirty-degree rise in it, something like that.
MR. MA.STERSON : Oh, so it's outside containment?
Yeah. It has a snubber corina down with a
9 stanchion welded right on the saddle weld here. The stanchion was welded on the outside, called for a fillet weld all.around the outside. This saddle was bought off and checked by OC, but in
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' You had a gap.on the inside you could lay your little finger in.
l MR. MASTERSON: When you say "inside", are you talkinc l about--
The inside of the stanchion where it fits !
to the saddle. The outside was touching--
MR. MASTERSON: Was it beveled with--
It was beveled, but it was not bach welded or anything. What it was, whoever cut it cut too much weld, too much plate out. They didn't shorten the stanchion down I
enough to fit it on. The foreman come up, told them to l weld it, put the plate on top and cover it up. There's j no way you can see inside it without getting inside the plate.
MR. MASTERSON: You mean inside the stanchion.
Ch-huh. You got to go inside the stanchicn to see the gap. It was welded up--
MR. MASTERSON: Now it's welded up on both sides.
Rig ht . It's got a ['f fillet weld all the way around the outside.
MR. MASTERSON: Is that one of the ones that you
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Yes, it should be. I should have talked to him about that one.
MR. MASTEPSON: This one here talks about a fit-up problem.
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04CHT is the one I was talking about, but I don't think that's the hanger number, the way this one ;
shows here.
MS. TANG: This is referring to sworn statement by to the NP.C investigator.
The one that I was talking about, it's on the main steam locp, comes in, starts rising up, and then makes a curve into the containment. Just as it starts this rise, there's a saddle weld on it--
MR. MASTERSON: Just before you go inside containc.ent?
Just before you go into the compartr.ent wall, the last compartment.
MR. MASTERSON: So it's in the safeguard--
No, no. It's in the containment building.
MR. MASTERSON: It's in the containment.
Right. It's right on down the line.
MR. MASTERSON: This is the main penetration richt here. There's the steam generator.
That's where it comes out, richt?
MR. MASTERSON: That's richt.
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'1his comes or back around and comes on around. It might be an 0305.
MR. MASTERSON: This is the penetration that goes to irv t the safeguard building and then out into the turban building.
You can stand up--
On85[thedooropening, where they used j to go in, where the big platform used to be in the front of the building where you come up and a big platform and office building sitting up on top of it, 1.cok straight up there and
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MR. FMSTERSON: Is this one that is on one of the main steam lines that wraps around the outside of the--
Uh-h.uh.
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i Four is on the left-hand side coming out of compartment one, I believe.
MR. MASTERSON: Both one and four come out of the cavity an'd loop around in the same area and then go out to the safe-guard building. over here and they ao outside and they wrap around--
MS. TANG: Could you identify this for the Reporter?
MR. MASTERSON: This particular ISO is l
12 pThishangerrighthere, that's where it starts to make your rise, richt there.
MR. MASTERSON: So this one here is--
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MR. MASTERSON: Do you know if any of the individuals you mentioned in your statement are still on-site?
None of them.
l MR. MASTERSON: I couldn't fh.nd any--
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as far as I know. I don't know; I haven't talked to i .-
over a year.
i MR. MASTERSON: Did they all resign?
Yeah, for different rer. son s ; harassment, stuff like that. ;
MR. MASTERSON: Can you tell me whether this particular i one looks familiar? , s Mo, it would be It vould be on the
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13 were talking before, we had that four--
MR. MASTERSOP: Would it have been--
That comes out of the wall and back over here; it would be hat's the one I was talking about in that statement right here.
MR. MASTERSON: The second hanger identified as On that one the stanchion was cut improperly by the-night shift. I stenciled and laid out the stanchions that afternoon. The night shift came in and they cut the stanchions for a fit. They cut this one too short on the beveled end'on the top where it comes around.
MR. MASTERSON: So it was a similar cut to the other one.
This one was cut about an inch too short--
MR. MASTERSON: There was a gap of one inch?
--so instead of calling the Fab Shop and getting another piece made, the superintendent came up, told the welding foreman and my foreman to fix it. They took weld draw rods and built this up with veld beads and ground it down. It was not documented anywhere. I refused to work on the hanger.
MR. :1ASTERSON: You mentioned earlier that there was a hanger where you made a 45 degree beveled cut ccmpletely
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That would be on a feed wateN ine, I'm sure. Well, on the main steam MR. MASTERSON: That's the one that we just talked about. That's this large one here.
I think this one here is down inside the--from 1youlookdownthrough. This is the one where the fit-up was made here.
i MR. MASTERSON: So the cut was shown on a drawing.
Yeah, the cut was shown on the drawinc.
MR. MASTERSON: What was the problem with this cut?
That 3/8's of an inch excessive gap here.
1 MR. MASTERSON: This was a fit-up problem again.
Right. And it was welded up, welded this one. was told to weld it up. You can take this thing, this 3/8's gap, and what they do a lot of time, they put a lot of weld in it and put pressure on it. " hen it's hot it contracts and it'll pull this thing, put it under a lot of stress. You can close that gap by putting weld in there and taking somethina and putting pressure on it.
MR. MASTERSON: Mhat do they use to close the gap?
You can take.a come-alona wrap around it as you' re making a root pass in it. You can apply nressure l
15 to it or you can take a sledge hammer, put a tack on it and as you hit it, it will compress the tack, the weld.
MR. fiASTERSON: That was done here?
Uh-huh. A lot of times on saddles they'd do that. They'd take a come-along and wrap around it and then tack it, and you'd take a sledge hammer and you'd hit it.
MR. MASTERSON: Why were torches used rather than saws to make these cuts? .
It's so much easier using a torch and faster.
!iR . MASTERSON: Were these cuts ground-smoothed a4 machined after they were used? 1 Yes. On @ppi--there's a big -
feed water hanger on EttNFr;sm;9my_garmyggsE17ptrzyr I had a track torch. I went and got one from the Fab Shop.
We field cut all the bevels.
MR. MASTERSOM: Was it a small track torch?
It was a big track torch. It's a motorized--
MR. MASTERSOM: I know what a track torch is.
It cuts a smooth cut; it's just like you cut it with a grinder. All the bevels were made with that in the field. We set a work bench up there and we'd cur then and place them--fit them in place right there rather than have the Fab Shop do it up there.
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with torches, they were ground and machine-smoothed, Ch, yeah. Always. You always had to have the grinder prep your room before you had the fit-ups bought off. I didn't havt any problems with cutting or anything like that. They asked cut with a torch in the field. That's just standard practice. On a big hanger like that you've got--you send it to the Fab Shop and they'll cut it wrong a lot of times because they don't--you got a communication problem where you tell then you want something
- cut this way and it doesn't work out, so you waste three times the material. You can do it easier in the field.
MR. MASTERSON: Can.you be a little nore specific abcut this hanger that you mentioned was degrees?
MS. TANG: Same statement
- That'sthesarIeone; that's the feed water hanger that I was just telling you about. All the field cuts were made in the field. I can't remember the name cf the hanger.
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Mo. This was the one where they were askinc me--where I was usino the torch in the field. That's the hanger--
17 MR. MASTERSON: So there's nothing really wrong--
There's nothing wrong with this hancer.
Every specific item on that had to have a fit-up bought off on it before you could proceed on with everything, partial penetration or full penetration weld on this hanger. It took almost three months to build that thing. They were askinc who was the foreman in charge at the tine.
vas the foreman for a while, and' took over from MR. MASTERSON: This cuestion that I had asked you earlier concerning these two, I think you already answered them because you indicated that--you mentioned the nunher four, but we just concluded that they were on line number three.
Yeah.
MR. MASTFRSON: Fine. This excess gap, it occurred on the skewed portion of the--in other words, was it always on the skewed versus the perpendicular fit-up?
Yeah. Most of the tir.e, whenever some'redy cut--these were made in the field, these cuts were made in the field. They could be made in the Fab Shop, but they won't fit properly, so they trim them in the field to fit.
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of material, they go ahead and put it on up instead of wasting all that money. as the foreman at the
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I the statement to the Fort Worth Star Telegram stating that all the Brown and Root people were doing him wrong and all ,
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MR. MASTERSON: All of these three specific hancers I'm talking about here, the time you worked on them, war this the first time they were built?
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l On the large bore hangers it was just chaut i an every-day thing.
!!R . ItAS TE RS O!* - How about in other aroas of the plant?
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Your metal is so thich, a small size grinder, what they issue out there to use, it wo u lf. ta': e .
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i 20 Notdne to make a 45--when you got a saddle that's bent to conform to the shape of a pipe, and you've I got to make a 45-degree bevel on the other side to weld it to, there's not a saw I know of that can make that cut.
MR. MASTERSON: You're talking mainly about stanchions, saddle-type fit-ups, or structural tubes--
Your large tubes, oneinckthick, 5/8-inch thick tube ster', something like that, you make 45-degree l bevels on it, you use.the torch: but it's aluays after--if 1
I you free-hand cut it, you've prepped it; you've cleaned all the jagged surface out, made a slick surface.
! 'MR. MASTERSON. Do you know of any specific hangers besides the ones that we're talking about where they used i
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MR. MASTERSON: Now I want to go to a difforent wnere you talk about an enlarged hole in a piece of tube steel used as part of an !
i anchor on a wall or ceiling. It says it's a fairly cerron design on-site. Do you know which one I'm talking abcut i
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21 washers and all that be on the tube steel and all that; and this one hac a--the washer was not on the front anc' two nuts I
were gone; we pulled the awl thread out to check it, make sure the hole was deep enough. The back hole was about two-an6-a-half inches in diameter. Somebody just cut the cornc es an2 l Cut it out. I cut it down and we rebuilt it.
MR. MASTERSON: Uas this a common practice to use a torch?
Mo. Most' of that stuff is supposed to be drilled.
J MR. MASTERSON: Do y'ou know whether that hanger ha?
already been through QC inspection?
Mo, I don't.
MR. MASTERSOM: Do you know of any occurrence of thi s type that occurred in Unit One?
Anything like that, if it was brought to our attention, we corrected it; on walk-down and stuff like that.
MR. MASTERSON: Would a problem like that have been written up cn an NCR?
It should have been, if OC would h.we l caught it. There was no way they could have seen the holc i
because it's on the back side, and there's a plate accinst it, tube steel had a plate weld on the end, and the frcnt would have a plate on it. After it had been torcha:!, ther
22 there's no way they'd ever see it. This one didn't have the nuts on it, so we were checking it out, anc that's hou we i found it.
MR. MASTERSON: You're talking about--if you look in l
the edge of the tube, the hole would be here and it's this l back hole.
Right. You've got a one-inch plate covering this up.
MR. MASTERSON: How about if you look through the ocen l
end of the tube?
The tube would have a flap covering it.
You couldn't see it. We pulled this abI. thread out and we could see the enlarged hole in the rear, so we cut it down.
! MR. MASTERSON: You don't remecher the number of this?
Fo, I sure don't. We were just on walk-We didn't usually work 'Je ve re j u s t ,
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walking down that feed water system.
MR. PASTERSON: That looks like all I hatte. :~y main purpose was to try to get these other three identified, and it looks like we have done that.
MS. TANG: Do you have anythinn else to add?
No. I've told the man everything I could think of. lie asked me all about this stuff. They s e r.t me a statement saying they'd checi.ed out all this stuff. T ' '/ e not a deal back there on t:rC where they chec::ed out a11 the
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I have no complaints.
MR. ItASTERSON: You have a--
At home. They sent me a report.
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!!S . TANG: Do you think Bob, or MRC, has adequately covered your concerns or at least asked the questions you wanted?
They listened to what I had to say, chec.:ed out what I told them. They felt like it was safe, so if they feel like it's safe, I do too, bR. MASTERSON: Do you know why we're here right now?
l l Do you know what's involved?
No.
IIR . MASTERSON: Maybe we should give him a little bac.'-
ground. The NRC has sent a team of approximately 50 engi-neers, specialists, to the site for the past six to eight weeks reviewing current and previous allegations. That's why we're not dragging up old information here, but we're looking at all allenatioris made concerning construction, materials, personnel, so en and so forth, from a technical standpoint. This is why we're involved here and why I'm asking you these questions.
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MS. TAIIG : I'm going to leave you with our numbers, both at the site and at the Washington, D. C. office. If you have any questions, if you want to talk to us a little bit more later on, feel free to call. I think in a few weeks when we are finished with the evaluation of all those, we will probably get back to you, show you what we have donc, and our findings, resolutions, that sort of thing. You can l
expect a call.
Okay.
!!R. MASTERSON: One last question. Can you tcli ne about what time you received this report from the NRC?
i It's been about a nonth or so ago.
MR. MASTERSON: If I could find that, it would help l
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MS. TANG: Tell me a little more about that.
I?e asked me if I wanted a copy of the report to me.
MR. MASTERSON: Do you know who it was that talked to you?
The same guy that took no to the site.
!!e's a gray-headed gentlenan.
MR. 21ASTERSOM: ' .'a s i t Bob Stewart?
MS. TANC: This was a real tall guy, right?
Yeah; older gentleman.
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MS. TAUC: very tall and thin.
. Yeah, I think it might have been MS. TANG: !!e wears a suit; that's him.
I MR. MASTERSON: He wouldn't have tal.en him.
l MS. TANG: You're talking about this is a resident inspector?
Yeah; they were on-site.
MS. TANG: Very tall?
If I seen him, I could rococnize him, but I don't know who he is.
MR. MASTERSON: I'11 follow it up on-site.
There was three of them. The morning I t went on-site, there were three of them with me.
MR. MASTERSON: Shen did that occur? Do you know whe.-
this occurred, when you went on-site? L'a s tha t this year or last year?
It was last year.
.' S . TANG: I thought it was that you vent on-site.
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That's when you went en-site.
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26 MS. TANG: Have you given all the state.ents freely and voluntarily?
Yes. I was under no pressure whatsoever.
The man asked ne; I told him.
MS. TANG: Any questions, like I said, feel free to call us.
MR. ?1ASTERSON: He appreciate your candor and your information.
MS. TANG: Thank you.
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