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COMANCHE PEAK TECHNICAL REVIEW TEAM DISCUSSION WITH NEIL HARRIS GODFREY a AMES COURT REPORTING CERTIFIED SHORTHAND REPORTERS 1106 W. PIONEER PARKWAY. SUITE 400 ARLINGTON. TX 76013 (817) 460 2048. METRO 469 6100 COMPUTER AIDED TRANSCRIPTION vlDEO TAPE SPECIALIST DAILY COPY May 9, 1985 d= -

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2 3 TECHNICAL REVIEW TEAM DISCUSSION a e e e e a e e e e e e e e e e e . . . . . e e e e e e e 5 APPEARANCES:

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Chet Poslusny 7 Cliff Hale Charlie Richards 8

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  • 10 DISCUSSION WITH NEIL HARDIS called on behalf of 11 the Technical Review Team, taken before Jayne Ames, a 12 CSR, and Notary Public for the State of Texas, on the i

LJ 13 9th day of May, 1985, beginning at 10:00 a.m., at the 14 trailer of Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Comanche Peak 15 Power Plant, Glen Rose, Texas.

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2 MR. POSLUSNY: My name is Chet Poslusny. We're 3 having a discussion with Mr. Neil Harris. Present at 4 the meeting are myself, Cliff Hale, and Charlie 5 Richards. And if you would state your name for the 6 record?

7 MR. HARRIS: Neil Harris.

8 HR. POSLUSNY: ~And what is your position?

9 MR. HARRIS: Quality assurance technician.

10 MR. POSLUSNY: Could you tell us what you do, 11 generally, what kind of activities you're involved with?

12 MR. HARRIS: My interface with the plant is based I-~l i ; 13 on my responsibilities being in the environmental 14 sections, chemistry and operations. I also am the 15 coordinator for QA involvement with the initial startup 16 program of unit 1.

17 MR. POSLUSNY: Have you had much interface with 18 -the surveillance team?

19 MR. HARRIS: Off site, or are you speaking of the 20 surveillance group on this site of the plant?

21 MR. POSLUSNY: On site.

22 MR. HALE: On site.

23 MR. HARRIS: Yes, I have. In probably the last I'l 24 four years that I have been here, I have interfaced with

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4 MR. HARRIS: In some cases, the technician that 5 finds the problem will come, usually over to my office, 6 or I'll go to theirs, and we'll discuss the problem and 7 possibly take it up from that angle.

8 Sometimes if the problem or potential problem looks 9 like it might need some higher, oh, authorization 10 associated with it, then what we do is we make sure that 11 the supervisors for both of us are informed, and then 12 the supervisors take care of the interfsce in getting me i i t 'a 13 involved with their findings.

14 MR. POSLUSNY: Okay. What about documentation?

15 MR. HARRIS: Documentation if there's a report that 16 comes out, if -- the report usually has the supervisor's 17 name, my supervisor's name, on the front sheet and a 18 copy of that report comes back over to the startup l

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20 MR. POSLUSNY: Can you recall any instances where 21 items were identified by the surveillance group, you 22 have got written documentation following that, and your 23 group did not properly follow it up or were not~given.

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2 at that time a study was made. Reports were written.

3 But at no time do I ever remember that we were not 4 totally in communication with these people and-never 5 giving them a report. I believe we have a good 6 interface over here.

7 As a matter of fact, I brought one of the reports 8 with me, because I was sort of thinking on those lines 9 that that's what this would be about interface 10 mechanism. And it is documented, even though it's not 11 considered a surveillance, it was a report. And 12 therefore a document was generated to show what the II L > 13 results were.

14 MR. HALE: Your inspections or surveillances, 15 whatever they call them, are they scheduled by your 16 supervision, or do you schedule your own?

17 MR. HARRIS: No, we operate to a station procedure 18 -401, which is the surveillance program for our site.

19 And within it there are specified areas that we look at 20 each year. And our supervisor personnel set up these 21 schedules in which these surveillances will be performed 22 throughout.the year.

23 At times, if we find a problem out in the field l I 24 .that may warrant a surveillance, we can make an 25 onscheduled surveillance at that time. But in all l GODFREY & AMES COURT REPORTING Metro 469-6100 (817) 460-2048

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2 requirements, fill out checklists that we will be using 3 in the field to evaluate the problem at hand.

4 MR. HALE: How many auditors are there in your 5 group? l 6 MR. HARRIS: There's approximately nine. We also 7 have a team of two or three QA engineers and, oh, I 8 don't know, probably about ten QC inspectors. About 27 9 personnel in all.

10 MR. HALE: Do you document your reports, your 11 audits, or surveillance? What do you call them?

12 Audits?

I L. 2 13 MR. HARRIS: We call them surveillances.

14 MR. HALE: Do you document those surveillance?

l 15 MR. HARRIS: Yes, we do. In accordance with the 16 FTA procedure that governs our work over there.

1 17 MR. HALE: How do you document any negative 18 findings?

- 19 MR. HARRIS: ihe c an do it either using a deficiency 20 report. We can do it through a comment in the report 21 itself, a quality surveillance report.

22 If it's a nonconforming item or problem, we issue 23 NCR's. There's a multiple group of ways that we report I

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2 MR. HARRIS: Comment, we'll start.at the bottom. A 3 comment is usually something that we find that needs to 4 be looked at by the supervision, or the superviser 5 personnel for that group that we're actually looking 6 at. It may not be something that's against:the 7 requirements. In other words, they haven't violated 8 anything, but it may be a good practice that they need 9 to pick up in order to insure that they do not violate a 10 requirement later on.

11 Deficiency report is probably the next level. And 12 what that is, is a report that's put out to where they I I c .i 13 actually do violate a requirement, either right.

14 They're usually initiated by results engineering based 15 on anyone having an input into a problem report. But 16 usually they come out of the results engineering group.

17 And then go around either to the NRC, for instance, or 18 to some other off site organization, or even on site 19 organization, to clarify a problem.

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20 MR. HALE: This would be a kind of negative 21 finding in one of your surveillance reports?

22 MR. HARRIS: If we found that it was necessary to 23 write a problem report, we could. That's true.

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2 are definitely put in there, using deficiency reports.

3 MR. HALE: Do you have pretty good guidance or 4 criteria for establishing an NCR, a DR, or a comment?

5 MR. HARRIS: I believe we do. Of course a lot of 6 it is based on, not only the given criteria that you 7 would look at, but also on the judgment of the 8 technician in the field.

9 A lot of times if we find a problem in the field 10 that may be borderline as to being either a comment or a 11 deficiency, what we will do at that time is we like to 12 go to the supervisory personnel or even, for instance, O

t i 13 if there's a problem in the control room, we may go to 14 the reactor operator or to the shift supervisor or 15 operations supervisor and say, "There is a problem. Can 16 we correct it prior to the end of the surveillance 17 report."

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And what we do is, in the surveillance package we 19 develop -- we notate within that package that we did 20 find this problem, and that it was taken care of.

21 MR. POSLUSNY: So even though you informally try to l 22 take care of it, it gets formally documented?

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2 MR. HALE: Do comments get trended -- or a better 3 question. Do comments, deficiency reports and comments, 4 get trended that you identified?

5 MR. HARRIS: Right now deficiency reports that are 6 associated with the quality surveillance report are '

7 trended. Other than that, we do not trend the other 8 comments or NCR's.

9 Right now I'm involved in developing a trending 10 program for Comanche Peak to where we will look at all 11 deficiencies that are generated-on site.

12 Right now, like I said, we're only trending those b 13 associated with the QSR, quality surveillance report.

14 The other ones, though generated, are not trended right 15 now.

16 And what we're trying to do is develop a trending 17 program to take care of NCR's, DR's possibly inspection 18 -reports, and other type of documentation that we use.

19 MR. HALE: I thought NCR's got trended. They 20 don't?

21 MR. HARRIS: They may.

22 MR. HALE: Ops NCR's don't, then?

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2 As to my knowledge right now, they are not.

3 MR. HALE: Okay. As you write your report, forward 4 it to your supervisor for issuance, do you get any 5 changes from your supervisor that you don't like?

6 MR. HARRIS: Oh --

7 MR. HALE: And if you do, and I can tell that you 8 do, are they resolved to your satisfaction?

9 HR. HARRIS: To answer from front to back. Yes, 10 there are changes made. And a lot of times they are 11 either -- trying to think of the word. It might not be 12 phr? sed correctly, or it might be -- we might skew the i

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15 And it's basically no more than someone going in 16 and editing and saying, "This would be a better method 17 to put it down."

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And we all have our own different writing styles, 19 and this is just a matter of bumping writing styles up 20 against with each other and coming out with something 21 that will be satisfactory to all people involved.

22 That's where usual'ly most changes come about.

23 Sometimes there are changes that we maybe adamant about

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2 "Well, here's some more facts that will support my 3 finding within the report."

4 And at that time usually the supervisor will say, 5 "Yes, I think that's a valid point", or, "Let's go talk 6 it over with a person that it involves." And maybe we 7 can work something out in that angle.

8 So, you know, changes do -- the report is a dynamic 9 unit, it's not a static thing.

10 MR. HALE: Well, of course I'm not talking about 11 those kinds of changes. I'm talking about those kinds 12 of changes that might take an NCR or DR down to a l l t j 13 comment, or wash it out of the report all together?

14 MR. HARRIS: I don't believe so. There are times 15 when we may make a comment, or even times when we may 16 think it's a deficiency, but upon further investigation 17 of the problem, we find that it is not a deficiency, but 16 rather a comment, or maybe something that can bc just 19 stricken all together.

20 I don't think that we have any subversive 21 activities associated with our reports. I think we're 22 pretty concise and forward with them.

23 MR. POSLUSNY: So you don't feel that your findings

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2 think you have th.e supervisory personnel, and then you 3 have, you know, the technicians out there doing the 4 work. And you have to interface. And whether you want 4

5 to call it intimidation, I don't think that that might 6 be the right word. But you always have to interface' 7 with these people. And someone might think that you're 8 off base and you may think you're on base, so it takes 9 some interaction.

10 MR. POSLUSNY: Give and take.

11 MR. HALE: As far as your experience, your reports 12 haven't been changed or any findings haven't been i .I L J 13 suppressed that were not justified?

14 MR. HARRIS: That were not justified, that is 15 true. I keep all revisions of, you know, I get a draft, 16 we write the draft. It goes to the supervisor. He 17 makes the changes, and my files are complete where I 18 keep all of this.

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19 And that way I can go back and evaluate the system 20 later on. I might get around to making another report 21 on the same -- in the same area, and therefore I can go 22 back and see possible problems that may be reoccurring
23 or areas that I might want to check. But I don't feel Il J 24 that I have been stymied in any way.

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2 other groups to do your job effectively?

3 MR. HARRIS: Some groups are more difficult to 4 work with than others. But I believe we have good 5 guidance.. I think the guidance will improve as the 6 plant matures. But I believe right now that we have.

7 MR. HALE: Procedurally, you're all right.

8 MR. HARRIS: Procedurely I think we're sitting 9 where we can do our job accurately right now.

10 MR. HALE: I don't think I have any more questions, 11 unless you have got something you would like to share 12 with us that you think might be of interest to us in i l t a 13 the -- in the accomplishment of the task that we have 14 got before us.

15 MR. HARRISt I's familiar with your reports. We 16 get copies of your reports as they come out, and we

17 evalue -- we do our own evaluation based on the 18 knowledge of, you know, what we know of the plant.

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20 or may not be completely accurate within the reports.

21 But again, this is -- you people have been here for 22 some time, in a shorter period of time than what we 23 have. And we may have more knowledge of what's going

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3 add to it. Again, going back to the original question, 4 the interface between the startup surveillance group 5 and operations surveillance group, I think is good.

6 It's adequate.

7 There have been some problems in the past, and I 8 have had people argue with me over points between the 9 two groups. But I think that everything's panning out 10 okay.

11 MR. POSLUSNY: Okay. Do you have anything else 12 Charlie?

.I t 2 13 MR. RICHARDS: Have you ever been involved in any 14 of the ops testing?

15 MB. HARRIS: Oh, yes. I said earlier I was the 16 coordinator for the QA involvement in the initial 17 startup.

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I 20 startup program that we had starting last October, I was 21 the person who coordinated the QA man effort from the 22 operations QA department. And we had 24 hour2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> coverage 23 out here on most cases. Logged approximately 2,000 24 hours of on-time. We had people looking at technical

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2 We interfaced directly into the initial startup 3 test procedures. There are-certain QA signoffs that we 4 have to perform.

5 I have also looked at operations.- Operations being 6 anywhere from the actual operating group, i.e. the 7 operators, to each one of the individual departments, 8 maintenance, chemistry, environmental groups, the whole 9 bit. And that's how we probably have most of our 10 interface right now.

l 11 MR. RICHARDS: I have a particular question that's 12 relating to hydrotesting, and if you were aware of any 13 weld repairs to a pressure boundary after hydotest?

14 MR. HARRIS: No, I'm not.

15 MR. RICHARDS: Thank you.

16 MR. POSLUSNY: Thank you for your time.

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3 I, Jayne Ames, a Certified Shorthand Reporter for 4 the State of Texas, do hereby certify that the above and 5 foregoing contains a true and correct transcription of 6 the answers in response to the interrogatories as 7 indicated, and were made before me by NEIL HARRIS, 8 hereinbefore named, and were thereafter reduced to 9 typewriting under my supervision.

10 I further certify that the above and foregoing as 11 set forth in typewriting is a full, true, correct, and 12 complete transcript of the proceedings had at the time

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