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5 INVESTIGATOR:: Okay, let.'s go on to the.next point-
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- 10 ' INVESTIGATOR: -Well,'as I. understand the terminology 11 for the line_that comes off the motor is referred'to' commonly 12 in the. trade as a pecker-head, --
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19 i-20 : and they have one-bolt lugs and they have two-bolt lugs.-
'21 So you'can usually get*some kind of combination that will fit
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9 MR ~. SEGER:- Well, the vendor specs the motor. and 10 guarantees the-motor,' and if they put a one-bolt stake on-i 11 or connector on-it,=I'. don't see why anybody should-want1to 12 'pu't/a second bolt to mislead-anybody, because.there's no.
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20 MR. SEGER: Well, I don't-know how much training.
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- '18 Ithe use.of O rings. .And!what'-I'm talking about'specifically,
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/4 ~ MR. SEGER: That fits on the box. All-right,'so 5 3the-water won't.into the. cubicle itself.
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7- MR..SEGER: No, but once a while we have to take
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- 9. INVESTIGATOR: Okay, well,.the information given.
10- .to us..was that there was a period of time for-about,six months ,
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'13 INVESTIGATOR: -- and the men wers directed to just 14 keep on' piping.- So .they put them in without O rincjs. . This g v. . .v e . .
- 15 :is'supp,osed to be;100 foot: elevation ~in the-control building ~.-
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23 , MR. SEGER:- No. I've run try little pipe up in' 24 there.
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9 . INVESTIGATOR: They go in there in the trade area, 10 do-they?:
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11 MR. SEGER: Well, I don't -- I haven't-smelled 12- any marijuana for-a long time now.
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',1 20 proper scrutiny? Are you satisfied with what you see?
21' MR. SEGER: I think it -- I don' t see anything 22 - the matter with it. I think -there's been every ef fort made 23 to put it in writing, and the stuff that they -- that somebody 's 24
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l 6 7 Interview of Richard B. Keith, Jr.
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14 Investigators: E..J. Power.
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2 1 E EE EEI EEE O 2 INVEST GATOR: This is an interview f Mr. Richard B. Keith, Jr. Mr. Keith is a high voltage foreman working 3
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5 6 Present to conduct this interview from the Nuclear 7
Regulatory Commission is E. J. Power and myself, O. C. Shackle--
8 ton, Investigators from Region V.
9 Mr. Keith, do we have your permission to record 10 this interview on tape?
g MR. KEITH: You most certainly do.
12 INVESTIGATOR: Thank you.
13 , ch,lI've gp a list of concerns dat were ghen 14 to the Commission, and I'm going to go down them to get your 15 comments. And the first one has to do with the use of 16 terminat' ion records,'the' termination cards that your craftsmen 17 are given when they make a termination.
18 And the allegation that we received is that in 19 some cases, termination cards are lost and some of the foremen 20 have directed craftsmen to complete a second card, a duplicate 21 card for work that they did not perform. Do you know of 22 any occasions like that?
23 MR. KEITH: To my knowledge, no.
24 INVESTIGATOR: What normally happens when you lose 0 25 a card?
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10 I'NVESTIGATOR: Okay. Do you maintain some kind of 11 a record:as a foreman of the cards'that are issued?
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4 INVESTIGATOR: The allegation we have, Rich, is 15 - Llthatxthere was some_ overhead welding done'without putting a 16' welding blanket on the ceble tray and hot slag came down',
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6~ INVESTIGATOR: Are.you aware.of any'such:so-called 7 splices;of cable -- occurred.in. January of this year?
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18 ' INVESTIGATOR: tWouldIthere have been another crew-
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21 . ' INVESTIGATOR:~ .You're thejonly one? Okay.
22 " INVESTIGATOR: I.'.m not aware. Bear with us; we're ,
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2 ;4 it's boughts off, and then .for one reason .or another-it may 5 be back'in the sameJareafand sees.that it's been----there's 6 been'a dehermination made, there's no documentation' allegedly:
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~18 MR. KEITH: ~ .Let's see... Scotch. Fill was changed M :about~a year,< year and alhalf.to one-third C, I think.it.is.
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3 -MR. .- KEITH : .This you'd have to' relate to engineering.
4 1They had a. full room.' They hadia' -information:to 5: rework it.
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9i MR. KEITH: Well, I-think the headDof the' engineers L10 is Paul.Nitko (?). Yes. He makes all our' decisions; you.
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16 MR. KEITH: A lot of times you, you'know --
17 INVESTIGATOR: Yes.
18 - INVESTIGATOR: Another concern, though, that was 19 given~ to us is where you have' a termination like onto a motor.
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21 ' head where you have a lug comes off and you get your cable, 22 -field cable comes in to connect and where the connecting 23 point on the motor.has'only got a one-bolt lug, and the field
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- 18 MR. KEITH: Yes, we do it. ,
19 : INVESTIGATOR: And'this was an accepted.p'ractice?;.
- 20 MR. KEITH: Yes. (Inaudible) mainly because we-21 would h. ave-to fill another gap like this.
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2 MR. KEITH: Train?
3 INVESTIGATOR: Train, perform a function or let 4 them observe --
5 INVESTIGATOR: Teach them how a termination is 6 supposed tc look.
7 INVESTIGATOR: Everybody has to learn sometime.
8 MR. KEITH: I was going to say, not per se that 9 we've used our people for training but they were at
'10 attendance at (inaudible) training session when we first 11 start'e'd our'high' voltage. See, we had a training program to 12 start off. I'think we-had three sessions of (inaudible)came 13 in here and trained our personnel, and most people already 14 had the high voltage experience anyway. So it was just a 15 (inaudible).
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17 MR. KEITH: QC wasn't. QC came in on our training 18 program.
19 INVESTIGATOR: The next question also relates to 20 QC people, and this is a problem that allegedly in some cases 21 foremen, superintendents or GS have overridden QC. Like, QC 22 hangs a red tag and they tell them to take it off, and they're 23 intimidated by it and they remove the tag.
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16 ' MR. KEITH:- Well, it's not. good.
'17 INVESTIGATOR:- See, the allegation which is that
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7 ~- INVESTIGATOR: The next pointLhas to do with the 8 ' omission of'the use of O rings.- And the allegation.is, 9 Bechtel has!not always used.~O rings on a conduit, the; cabinet
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'17 told, if we go down there, there's a. lot of cabinets that do
' .18 .not have O rings, which we will b'e doing.
19 Have you ever had a problem like that?
20 - MR. KEITH: Not to my knowledge. We fill our 21 high voltage terminators, we call the pot head with the epoxy.
22 INVESTIGATORS: I think, I'm not sure we're
' 23 talking about where a conduit comes into a real box --
24 MR. KEITH: -- where a cable comes in, and it is V
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.2 'MR. KEITH: Yes.
3 INVESTIGATOR: Yes.
4 VOICE: You always_need the epoxy.
5 INVESTIGATOR: Rich, have you ever observed or
-6 heard even from hearsay where there has been core drilling 7- to run new lines through walls and inadvertently, somebody has 8 drilled'into conduit?
9 MR. KEITH: I've never -- of course, this is, I'm 10 not - .you:know? this.is,not part of my work out here.
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14 MR. KEITH: Core drilling?
15 INVESTIGATOR: No, to repair core drilling where 16 they hit a conduit.
17 MR. KEITH: It would have to be (inaudible).
18 I guess Hector and Noonez would be the best ones to ask that 19 question of.
20 VOICE: He's been (inaudible) longer than I have, 21 but I would say that if there has been any damage, to --
22 certainly it will have to be repaired on (inaudible) documen-23 tation.
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17 INVESTIGATOR: .Not in your work areas. But you 18
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L5 MR. - KEITH : . Should bring my time book.with me. .
6 INVESTIGATOR:. Okay,.let's see.
7~ MR.-KEITH:~ Forest.
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15 INVESTIGATOR: Swan'.
16 MR. KEITH: ' Swan is on my crew.
17 INVESTIGATOR: -Who?-
,18 MR. KEITH: Salami (?)
19 INVESTIGATOR: How many men do you have on your-E ,
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21 MR. KEITH: I have eight right now.
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.23 INVESTIGATOR: How about the fellows that we
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19 MR. KEITH: Yes.
- 20 INVESTIGATOR: He's also -- (break in recording) ioida B. 21 - -- are being overlooked and the commission should 22 look into. Any concerns yoa have on the plant; on the construc-23 tion of safety-related systems?
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