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| Site: | Palo Verde  |
| Issue date: | 06/17/1982 |
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5 6-7 Interview of Steven J. Moody 8
9 10 11 June 17, 1982 Palo Verde Nuclear Station 12 13 14 Investigators:
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INVESTIGATOR:' This is an interview of Mr. Steven Moody, Electrician for Bechtel Power Corporation, presentl}
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-working at Palo Verde Nuclear Generation Station, on Unit No.
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Steve, do we have your permission to record your 7
interview?
8 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
8 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay, Steve, are you working in 10 terminations?
11 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
12 INVESTIGATOR: What's your assignment?
13 MR. MOODY: 'Well, I've only been on this high n
14 voltage crew about three months.
And I've helped with this 15 maybe (inaudible) high voltage terminations and mainly I've 16 been working on low voltage.
17 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
Steve, I'm going to go over 18 this list that I discussed with you before we went on the tape of. allegations that have been made concerning electrical 18 work here at Unit 1, and I'm looking for feedback from you 21 on what your experience has been.
But first I want to talk 22
- about this use of. termination cards.
Have you filled in U
termination cards?
24 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
25 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you ever been directed to fill
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in a termination card for work that you did not perform?
2 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
3 INVESTIGATOR:
Would youexplain the circumstances 4
of that?
5 MR. MOODY:
Well, when they had to have the card 6
right away, and what I did was, I went out and checked the 7
work, checked the number on the termination card and then I 8
signed the card.
I made sure the work was done properly.
9 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay, but you did'not do the work?
10 MR. MOODY:
I did not do~the work.
- 11 INVESTIGATOR:
Did the card show your crimping 12 tool. number, or whose crimping tool?
13 MR. MOODY:
It showed my crimping too,1 number.
14 INVESTIGATOR:
So that wouldn't be correct, would 15 it?
Or would it?
16 (Pause.)
I Your tool wasn N used, was it?
17 INVESTIGATOR:
18 MR. MOODY:
No, it wasn't used.
19 INVESTIGATOR:
So the other craftsman's tool was M
used.
21 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
22 INVESTIGATOR:
Who was the foreman, Steve?
23 MR. MOODY:
Well, it was either Julio Ortega or 24 Ted Brice.
25 INVESTIGATOR:
How long ago did this take place?
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Do you remember?-
Just roughly.
2 MR. MOODY:
Maybe a year ago; year and a half.
3 INVESTIGATOR:
Was-it on a safety-related system, 4
Rdo you remember?
5 MR. MOODY:
No.
No.
6 INVESTIGATOR:
It was non-safety?
7 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
8-INVESTIGATOR:
What happens -- I understand that 9
once-in a while you get cards lost; one way or another cards 10 get lost.
Have you had this experience? Where a card has been 11 lost and you have to make out a new card?
12 MR. MOODY:
Well not-that I can' remember.
I've 13 heard of cards that are lost, but they've been -- (inaudible) 14 them in with the foreman, and he's the only one with access 15 to the book.
16 INVESTIGATOR:
Do you know of any other craftsmen 17 who have been directed to fill in a termination card for 18 work they didn't perform?
19 MR. MOODY:
I can't say.
I don't know.
M INVESTIGATOR:
Gene, do you have any questions?
21 INVESTIGATOR:
In reference to that, h'ow were you 22 '
advised?
Did they say, you know, the card's been lost?
23 Did they ask you to do it?
l 24 MR. MOODY:
The man wasn't on the job; he was fired i*
25 or he was gone.
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INVESTIGATOR:
He was gone.
2 MR. MOODY:
He was gone and they couldn't get 3
ahold of him.
4 INVESTIGATOR:
But did they ask you to go out and 5
look at it, or did they tell you to sign the card?
6 MR. MOODY:
No, they ask you to go out and look at 7
it --
8 INVESTIGATOR:
Look at it.
9 MR. MOODY:
-- and, you know, there was an engineer 10 he checked it, and my foreman checke'd it"and there was completi 11 you know, 12 INVESTIGATOR:
It was above board.
13 MR. MOODY:
-- yes, it was --
14 INVESTIGATOR:
There was no subterfuge here?
15 MR. MOODY:
-- no subterfuge or anything like 'that.
16 INVESTIGATOR:
No pressurc on your --
17 MR. MOODY:
No.
(inaudible) toward you and say 18 INVESTIGATOR:
19 hey, you either fill it or don't --
20 MR. MOODY:
No.
i 21 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
Have you ever heard any 22 indications of any pressure on the craftsmen to perform any M
work that he hasn't done just to get a card complete'd? And --
24 MR. MOODY:
No.
25 INVESTIGATOR:
None that you recall; this is the il
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only instance?
2 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
3 INVESTIGATOR:
Done on a safety-related thing?
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MR. MOODY:
No, not on a safety-related system.
5-INVESTI' GATOR:
So the only problem that we really 6
have with that one is the record doesn't show the right 7
crimping tool?
8 MR. MOODY:
That would be true.
9 INVESTIGATOR:
The other -- next issue, Steve, is 10 improper splicing of quality class' safety-related cables.
11 Have you ever known of any. occasion when Q-type cable has beer.
12 damaged and been spliced without engineerihg, without an NCR 13 being written and without QC being called in?
14 MR. MOCDY:
No.
15 INVESTIGATOR:
Ihat is the procedure that you must 16 follow if you find a damaged 0-class cable?
17 MR. MOODY:
All right.
First, report it to my 18 foreman, and then I -- then they report it to QC and in my 19 experience, they pull a new cable.
M INVESTIGATOR:
Could'it have been any situation 21 recently where there had been damage to a cable, a quality 22 '
class cable that was not pulled; that you are aware of.
23 MR. !!OODY :
That was not re-pulled?
24 INVESTIGATOR:
Yes, that was not re-pulled and 25 they ended up putting,ih some type of splice in it.
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MR. MOODY:
No.
2 INVESTIGATOR:
The next issue, Steve, relates to 3
Startup allegedly following cable determination procedure 4
What I'm talking about is where you fellows would do a 5
termination, and it's bought off by QC and later, for some 6
reason you come back in the same area, find out there's been 7
a determination without any paperwork and a new termination 8
that may not be done as neatly as you guys have done it, or 9
it may be done incorrectly and probably done by Startup.
10 Have you had any of these problems?'
11 MR. MOODY:
I -- not personally, I haven't with 12 any of my terminations.
13 INVESTIGATOR: Have you heard of it be,ing a problem 14 for others?
15 MR. MOODY:
All I can say is, I've heard of it.
16 But I don't know any particulars.
17 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
The next issue involves the 18 insulation material to.use on high voltage terminations.
And 19 I understand you've been here now a little over two years.
N So within that time frame, I guess approximately up to a year 21 ago they were using a material called Scotch Fill.
22 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
Well, as far as high voltage goes, I've very limited experience on this job.
Like I say, 2
24 I've only done two high voltage terminations.
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voltage, they were using something like the Scotch Fill.
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INVESTIGATOR:
But they no longer use it?. I think 2
it's been replaced by another material.
That can withstand, l-3 the heat better.
4 MR. MOODY:- Yes.
5' INVESTIGATOR:
That was the concern that was 6~
expr'essed, and the concern was that maybe there was not adequa 7
retrofit.
Have you ever been invol'ved in retrofitting, making.
8 new terminations and new terminations because of the insulatic 9
material?
I.
10 MR. MOODY:
No.
sl 11 INVESTIGATOR:
The next issue relates to the circun 12 stance where you're making a connection to a motor and the 13 motor may have, the pecker-head only has a one-bolt lug.
And 14 the steel cable has a two-bolt-lug.
Have you had any circum-15 stances like that?
16 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
17 INVESTIGATOR:
How would you handle it', Steve?
18 MR. MOODY:
Well, we have filled in the field 19 cable so.that it isn't, so that there isn't a void in there.
N INVESTIGATOR:
How do'you fill it in; what do you 21 do?
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MR. MOODY:
With tape.
23 INVESTIGATOR:
With tape?
24 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
25 INVESTIGATOR:
Did you ever use a bolt to fill that
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-1 void?
2 MR. MOODY:
Oh,. wait a minute.
Yea, they did use-3 a bolt.
Correction on that, they did use a bolt.
4 INVESTIGATOR:
When you say "they" you haven't-5 had many, then, I take it?
6 MR. MOODY:
Well, see, I'm rather new on it, so --
7 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay. Was there any discussion made 8
when they used the bolt, or was it just a matter of fact 9
practice.
10 MR. MOODY:
A matter of fact.
11 INVESTIGATOR:
And how would you personally justif3 12 that.; that type of operation?
13 MR. MOODY:
What --
14 INVESTIGATOR:
Using a bolt. What would be the 15 advantage to it?
16 MR. MOODY:
You certainly wouldn't want to cut the 17 lug or anything like that, you know; you'd ruin the entirety 18 of the lug.
So rather. than risking a void or risking a sof t 19 spot in your termination, you'd be more consistent to use a M
bolt, you know, to use two bolts.
21 INVESTIGATOR:
No ulterior motive?
22 MR. MOODY:
No ulterior motive.
23 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
The next issue, Steve, 24 relates to QC inspectors and your opinion of the QC personnel 25 who are inspecting work being done by you and your fellow l
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craftsmen.
Do you feel that they are doing an adequate job; 2
that they appear to be adequately trained?
3 MR. MOODY:
Yes, I believe they are.
You know, 4
everybody can't be trained for everything, but they are 5
certainly have - 'I don't know exactly how to explain it, but
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6 they' are not -- they don' t go to the -- when things are 7
explained, if they don't understan'd exactly, they buy the 8
engineers or --
9 INVESTIGATOR:
Wel'1, what you're saying is'they 10 will question some things --
11 MR. MOODY:
Yes, they will question.
12 (Simultaneous discussion. )
13 INVESTIGATOR:
-- they might think is safety relate 14
?!R. MOODY:
-- but if they don't understand it, 15 they will.
16 INVESTIGATOR:
Yes.
And if they do, and get an 17 adequate from an engineering staff, then they accept that?
18 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
19 INVESTIGATOR:
So they (inaudible) between both of 20 you, then --
21 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
22 INVESTIGATOR:
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!!R. MOODY:
Yes.
I mean, they will go for an explanation.
They won't, you know -- they're looking for a 24 good job; they're not looking, you know, - to hid'e anything fror 25
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1-you all, or'anything like_that, is what I'm trying to say.
2 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you had -- the same line of 3
questioning, Steve, -- have you had any problem either 4'
directly, and I don't mean just a problem, but observations
-5 or even heard by hearsay where QC inspectors have been over-6 ridden by construction foremen?
Been intimidated is what 7
I'm talking about.
8 MR. MOODY:
No, no.
8 INVESTIGATOR:
You feel that these people, QC peopi c 10 in here are able to do their job freely without interference?
11 MR. MOODY:
This is true.
12 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
Have you had anything to dc 13 with high pot testing since you've been here?
14 MR. MOODY:
On two occasions, but I didn't -- I 15 run the machine (inaudible).
16 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you scen or heard of excessive 17 high potting?
18 MR. MOODY:
No.
18 INVESTIGATOR:
Where lines have been high potted more than one time?
4 21 MR. MOODY:
No.
U INVESTIGATOR:
Ar.d you had made a determination, U
Steve, where you use either cabling or conduit comin'g into a 24 control panel and you use O rings for integrity around where 25 it goes through the cabinet?
This would be primarily with
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conduit, I'm sure.-
2 MR. MOODY:
O[ rings?.
I'm not too sure what you 8
mean by.O rings.
4 INVESTIGATOR:
Well, I'm not -- bear with me.
6 Again, what I'm told is, I'm sure it has to do with conduit,
. 6 that they have a kind.of a slip fitting, and it's threaded, --
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7 MR. MOODY: Uh-huh.
8 INVESTIGATOR:
And it's on the conduit and where 8
it comes down, fits to the to'p of the cabinet, 10 21R..tiOODY:
Oh, I see.
11 INVESTIGATOR:
-- this has a screw-down, and it 12 compresses the O ring for watertight integrity..Have you 13 had any connections with terminations?
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MR. MOODY:
No, I haven't.
15 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
Itave you observed or heard 16 of any drilling where they're taking a core drilling through 17 the wall to run a new cable through it and have accidentally L
18 drilled into conduit?
18 MR. MOODY:
No, I haven't.
INVESTIGATOR:
Do they X-ray the terminations that
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21 you fellows work on?
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MR. MOODY:
No.
23 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay.
The last question, Steve, 24 relates to the use of controlled drugs on the site.
Now you've been in the craft for a long period of time, 4
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~ 1' undoubtedly worked on scme other big jobs, whether they are 2
nuclear or not, and we know we've got drugs on site but we i
3 want to know what.your opinion is of how bad the problem is.
4-MR. MOODY:
(Inaudible).
I --
5 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you observed people smoking pot,,
6 or snorting coke, or - -
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7 liR. MOODY:
No.
8 INVESTIGATOR: Or heard discussions about it?
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9 MR. MOODY:
No.
l 10 INVESTIGATOR:
TraffickiniJ of it in the parking lot!-
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11 MR. MOODY: No.
l 12 INVESTIGATOR:
The fellows you work with are not 13 using it on site?
14 MR. MOODY:
No.
15 INVESTIGATOR:
Gene, do you have any --
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INVESTIGATOR:
No, I just want to go over who i'
17' constitutes the crew that we've got here.
We've got Solomon.
18 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
l 19 INVESTIGATOR:
We've got Seger?
20 MR. MOODY:
Well, Seger isn't on now --
21 INVESTIGATOR:
Excuse me.
22 Hall?
Lefebre?
l 23 MR. MOODY:
Lefebre.
24 ISVESTIGIsTOR:
(Inaudible).
You previously had a
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Danny Mast.
2 INVESTIGATOR: 'M-a-s-t?
3 MR. MOODY:
M-a-s-t, yes.
4-INVESTIGATOR:.Who else?,
5 MR. MOOD'Y :
Johnny Schuh, but he's here.
6 INVESTIGATOR:
Yes, right; he'll be back.
7 Is that it, then?
St' eve,.is there any subject that, in your work line 8
9 on this plant, that you observe or know of,-or you feel that to -
the NRC should look into, the concerns that you might have 11 that you feel aren't being adequately addressed?
We're 12 talking about' safety-related systems.
MR. MOODY :
(Inaudible).
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Are you comfortable withthe work J
that's being performed?
15 16 MR. MOODY:
Let's see, I'd have to think a minute.
17 Well, I think that would be best answered lar going 18 to QC.
Because I have such a small part that it's very hard 19 for me to say anything specific.
INVESTIGATOR:
But the work you have been involved lm y
21 in; are you satisfied?
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i 22 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
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INVESTIGATOR:
Do you have any apprehensions as j
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25 MR. MOODY:
Well, I can't say no, because you know
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1 everybody --
2 INVESTIGATOR:
The normal concerns, I realize that.
3 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
No.
Not beyond the normal 4
Concerns.
5 INVESTIGATOR:
Yes.
Oh, no,.we're ali the same 6
here.
We expect'that.
But in reference to,your specific
~7 discipline, is all of what you are seeing as far as electrical 8
goes, it is going to operate to the best of its ability --
9 they've installed correctly -- you have no reason to --
J 10 MR. MOODY:
Yes.
11 INVESTIGATOR:
-- jump up and down a year from now 12 and say Oh, no, (inaudible) all screwed up as far as electrica.L 13 goes (inaudibic).
,e 14 MR. MOOOY:
You have four backup systems.'
,15 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay, Steve. We appreciate very.
16 much your time and your frankness with us.
And we'll terminat<E 17 this. interview at this time.
The time is now about 11:38 a.m.
18 Correction, 11:28 a.m.
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