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This is an interview of Mr. George 3
A. Kennard.
Mr. Kennard is an ' electrician presently working 4
for Bechtel Power Corporation, assigned to Unit 1, Palo Verde
.5 Nuclear Generating Station.
6 Present to conduct this interview for the Nuclear 7
Regulatory Commission is E.
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Shackle-8 ton, investigators assigned from Region V.
l 9-Mr. Kennard, do we have ycur permission to tape 10 record this interview?
11' MR. KENNARD:
Yes.
12 INVESTIGATOR:
Thank you.
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We don't know your craft.
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.3 Another allegation-we~had is concerning when you
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4-fellows make a.. termination and everything goes fine, it gets 5-bought off, and.you'go off on another assignment somewhere 6-but.later come. back tx) the same area and you find the termina-7 tion'you'd done had been de-terminated maybe by Startup and 8
- then.either wasn't re-terminated or was not done too neatly 9
. hen it was.re-terminated.
Have you ever had any-problems-w 10 in that area?
11 MR. KENNARD:
No, I can't say.I have.
12-INVESTIGATOR:
I've forgotten now, are you working 13
'with the 'nigh voltage, or --?
14 MR. KENNARD:
'I've been in high voltage most of 1
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16-IINESTIGATOR:
-(Inaudible).
How long.
17 MR. KENNARD:
Well, I'd say probably three years 18 '
out here.
19 INVESTIGATOR:
In the period that you've been here, 20 quite a long time, so you'll probably recall there was a 21 l neriod of time for insulation material that you guys are 22 using a material called Scotch Fill.
23 MR. KEUNARD:
Yes.
24 INVESTIGATOR:
And we understand that it turned 25-out'not.to.be satisfactory inasmuch as under the intense heat L
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runoff (inaudible) and then you changed and went to 130 C.
3 MR. KENNARD:
That's correct.
4 INVESTIGATOR:
Do you recall that?
5 MR. KENNARD:
Yes.
6 INVESTIGATOR:
Were you involved in any of the 7
retrofit?
Did you go back and retrofit --
8 HR. KENNARD:
Yes, I was on at least two or three 9
of those.
10 INVESTIGATOR:
And you're using 130 C now, is that 11 correct?
12 MR. KENNARD : That's correct.
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The next issue, George, relates to 14 a situation like where you're -- we're to connect a field 15 i
cable to a motor, and the motor on the pecker-head has got 16 a single bolt lug and your field cable's got a two-bolt lug, 17 i have you had any connections you've had to make up like that?
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I've had a few of those, yes.
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And then how did you do them, i
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Well, at the direction of the foreman 22 he went and checked to see what we were supposed to do and 23 what we had to do, and there were a few times when we did cut 24 l a lug off to nahe the connection or put an extra bolt in the 25 lug to fill the hole.
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or_was that other foremen?
Do'you remember?
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Well, most of the.high voltage has
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Who would that be?
6 MR. KENNARD:
That would be Rich Keith.
7 INVESTIGATOR:
Well, when you cut the lug, isn't 8
-that a violation of your procedure?
9 MR. KENNARD:
Well normally it is, but sometimes 10 you may have to do that for the size of the pecker-head or-
.11 the fit of the kit, you know, that you get,.the motor kit, 12 '
especially on the Q class cable.
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When you cut a lug, say you cut --
14 I guess you would cut through a field cable?
Or would it vary.
15 If the field cable has got a two-bolt lug and the pecker-head is has a one-bolt lug, where would you normally cut from, then?
17 MR. KENNARD:
Well, we didn't every try tx) cut 18-them.
I mean, there: probably were a few cases that we did.
1 19 I don't know exactly --'I couldn't take you out and show you 20.
on that right now.
21 INVESTIGATOR:
What'I want to ask you is when you I
22 cut one, so that you've only got one lug lef t, am I right --?
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Yes.
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-- is there a particular amount of 24 I
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Yes.
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-- on the top -- as there is on the-6.
Ltop ai'on.the bottom --
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-- on either side?
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Yes.
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Okay.
The.. ext question -- pardon 10 '
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Before,you go on, in reference to 12 -
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Yes, sir.
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Have you had any situations such as
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Let's see.
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But 22' Ifthink they ended up saying that's'what they wanted.
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That's right.
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When-did this approximately occur?
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I would say this was maybe a year ago, 6
INVESTIGATOR:' Do you recall the QC's name?-
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I'll think of-it in just a second.
8-INVESTIGATOR:
Did he write an NCR
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9 MR. KENNARD:
Yes, he put a red tag on it and --
.10 INVESTIGATOR:
Could his name have been Broyhill?
'F 11 Ken Broyhill?
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MR. KENNARD:
Yes.
Kevin.
.Kevin Broyhill. INVESTIGATOR:
Was the end result sati,sfactory to:
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the best of 1your knowledge to everybody involved?
'15 MR. KENNARD:
I think it went on through and they
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used the one hole, and then put a' bolt in the other hole.
717' INVESTIGATOR:
Yes.
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As I remember.
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' 21 years'that you've-been-lurking ic. the crowd, do you feel that 22 the;QC' inspectors that are working with you fellowszare 23'
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Is he adequately performing a function?
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I would say yes, that they are.
3 INVESTIGATOR:
You say it with some reservations.
4 MR. KENNARD:
Well,.I think that some of them, when 5
they first got in,h'ere really didn't know anything, and that 6
. possibly'they learned something from us out in the field.
7 INVESTIGATOR:
Well, they should.
'8 INVESTIGATOR:
Because they all start someplace.
9 MR. KENNARD:
Right.
10 INVESTIGATOR: Particularly the younger folks.
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Yes.
But I think-that especially 12 :
now they are doing..a good job on checking whatever work --
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Right.
Now the other part of that
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No, I would have to say that it's 18 all been checked andJsee to use the right materials-and the 19 right tools and all -that.
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They.were very specific.
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Yes.
J22 INVESTIGATOR:
Next part of the question on'.these
.23 QC people,-do you feel that the QC people that work with you, 24 and the crews'that you work with out there are able to worP E
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What I'm'getting at is situations i
6 where they may hang red tags, the QC inspector, for some 7L reason that he feels should be hung, and there should be no 8
.further work done on that cable.
And a foreman from construc-9 tion comes~along and says, Get the damn tags off there, it's 10 all right; and the QC --
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They are doing what they understand is
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they go ahead and do their thing.
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'Yes, I have.
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Okay.
We have allegations that ther 15F Jare some cables.that have been high pot tested several times.
1 20 Either'because of the lackofcoordinationbetween'constructiod 21
.andESt'rtup or maybe for some other reasons.
Have you ever j
a 22 observed and know of any excessive high pot testing?
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Xell, the only high pot that I know 24 of is what we did after we would terminate cables, and then h
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But'now if somsthing was done at a later date, 2
I wouldn't --
i 3-INVESTIGATOR: Be familiar with that.
'4 INVESTIGATOR:
We have an allegation concerning 5
0 rings.
And what it amounts to is a concern that there was 6
an installation.in the control building at the 100 foot 7
elevation. Have you ever worked down there?
8 MR. KENNARD :
Yes.
I worked in control lines.
'9 INVESTIGATOR:
What I'm talking about, to the l'0 best of my understanding is that apparently we were talking-11 -
about conduit that is coming down and it's terminating into 12 some kind of a control panel, and where it enters the panel 13 they've got a slip fitting with threads and an o ring that is i-14 compressed.to give it a watertight fitting.
Have you done 15 any of those?
16 MR. KENNARD :
Well, I haven'txreally done that, 17 but I've seen'a lot.
Most of them I've seen have the o rings
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And there was allegedly a period of time for 23-about six months that the guys were told to go ahead and 24 Linstall the pipe in, even though they didn't have the O rings?
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Okay.
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available when they needed them?
7 MR. KENNARD:
No, I haven't.
. 8' INVESTIGATOR:. We.have another allegation concernin g.
9 when they do a core drilling, to make a penetration and the 10 guys doing the drilling inadvertently drilled into some
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Have you ever heard of or seen that problem?
12 nn. 'KENNARD:
I have notiseen that.
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Along with that, George,.you've P-14 been here so long,'maybe he knows those two guys we're trying
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Oh.
Yes.
Do you know Jim Williams?
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'Have you ever heard-of an electrician, Jim Williams?
.18 MR. KENNARD:
No.
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Jerry Stewart?
20 MR. KENNARD:
I don't know him.
21 INVESTIGATOR:
Or;maybe another guy -- this guy-22 might-be -- Mike Ostad.
Is he the (inaudible)?
'23 MR. KE'NNA RD :
Os'ted?
24 INVESTIGATOR:
Or Oswald?
25 MR..KENNARD:
Yes, Mike Oswald.
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Wait a minute, though.
There's a 3
Mike.Osgood.
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Yes, that's a different --
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Oswald?
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Yes, there-was a Mike Oswald.
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Is he still around?
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I think he's down on 2 or 3 now, r
to I think1he's a. foreman down-there.
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Wire pullers.
Would they have taken 12 (inaudible) damaged conduit in the wall?
To your knowledge.
i I' realize it's out of your area.
14 MR. KENNARD:
Well, I doubt-that.
I imagine'it 15
.would be in'the piping or the piping crews.
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Okay.
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I'm talking.about. pot, hashish, cocaine or ampheta-e
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That's not my cup of tea, b'ut I 24 Lthink_you could find it around here if you wanted to.
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Well, now, I haven't really seen any 4-or seen:somebody selling it, or anything else.
But I am 5-vaware that y6u could buy'it.
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Have you.ever smelled pot in areas 7
where you were working?
8-MR. KENNARD:
Well, I think'I have once or.twice.
9 I was up in'the control room or right underneath, you know,
'10 there's a lot of vent holes.
11 INVESTIGATOR:
And it's coming up from-the cable-12 tray area --
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Now that's been a while back.
.15 INVESTIGATOR:
Was that on.a day watch, a-day shift?.
3 16 MR."KENNARD:
Yes.
17-INVESTIGATOR: -And you say it's a way back.
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I'd say six, eight, nine, ten months.
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The last name is spelled L-e-g-g, 4
Mr. Legg is an electrician presently assigned 5
to Unit 1 at the Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station.
6 The date is June 28, 1982, and the time now is 7
approximately 9:04 a.m.
8 Present to conduct this interview from the 9
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Both of us are investigators 11 assigned to Region V of the U.S.
Nuclear Regulatory 12 Commission.
13 Mr. Legg, do we have your permission to tape 14 record this interview?
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Yes.
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Chuck, another allegation we had 11 related to the insulation material that you fellows used on 12 high voltage terminations, and apparently there was a period 13 of time here when they used a product called Scotch fill?
14 MR. LEGG: 2200?
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Yeah. And then approximately a 16 year ago it was changed to 130C.
Were you involved with any 17 of that during that changeover period?
18 MR. LEGG:
Yeah.
19 INVESTIGATOR: Did you do any retrofitting, going 20 back and --
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Retaped it?- Yeah.
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Do you know whether or not you took 23 care of the safety-related items on the record to make sure 24 the (inaudible).
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Yes.
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Did you participate in (inaudible)
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As a matter of fact, we taped up one joint, an'.four. hours later.they came out with this change, d
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Fused it (inaudible)
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Yeah.
One great big ball of icky.
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Yeah.
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Did you have any experience in
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We've got paperwork saying that we-6 can cut that other hole off.
(inaudible) try to stick, you 7
_know, another nut in there and make it look like it was a 8
two-bolt connection.
9 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you done any at all in'those 10 circumstances? -Not cutting them off,'but those where you 11 have a two-bolt lug to a one-bolt lug?
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(inaudible)-always cut the lugs.
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(inaudible) fill _the. void to make 14 it-neater, better, and there's no problem either.way.
You 15 either cut' it or --
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Yeah.
We generally -- (inaudible) 17 INVESTIGATOR:
You say you have paperwork that 18 authorized -- in'other words, specifications have been 19 approved.
20 MR. LEGG:
Yeah.
(inaudible) 21 INVESTIGATOR:
Yeah.
Have you done any (inaudible) 22 testing or meggaring?
23 MR._LEGGi I haven't done any high'(inaudible) 24 on the job.
I've done some (inaudible) hand meggared.
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we have had allegations made that there has been an extensive 2
l amount of high potting ~ going on on some of these cables,'and 3
one of the allegations was that some of the lines that are, 4
cables that.are furnished by Anaconda Copper, that in.the 5
specs that come with the cable, it states that the manufac-8 turer will'only guarantee the cable for one high pot test.
7 Have you observed any time when there has been 8
more (inaudible) high potting going on (inaudible)?
9 MR. LEGG:
No.
I'm not even involved in the 10 high voltage, you know, end of it.
That's another crew that-11 takes care of that.
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13 ic given to us was regarding where it's' required once,in a while 14 that they have to drill, make a.new core drilling through 15 a wall like in the aux or the wraparound building going into 16 containment, and. to run -new conduit, additional conduit other 17 than what they originally thought they were-going to use, 18 and then we have had allegations _that the guys drilled into
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Have you ever witnessed anything of that nature?
21 MR. LEGG:
No.
That's drilling through the.
22 containment wall?
23 INVESTIGATOR:
Well, it could be any wall because 24
-their running class quality, tube (?) quality cable.
3 MR. LEGG:
No,.I haven't seen that.
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Do they have a crew called a 2
- patching ~ crew onsthe electrical-side of the house?
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-MR. LEGG:
What do you mean, patching?
4 INVESTIGATOR:
Somebody that would go around 5
.and patch (inaudible) and (inaudible').
'8-MR. LEGG:
No.
All your conduit plugging.is done 7
by your. cement finishers and your laborers.
You see, we 8-don't even do our core drilling out'there.
9 INVESTIGATOR:
You don't.
10 MR. LEGG:
That's done by -- it's subbed out to 11 some coring company.
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INVESTIGATOR:
You don't know any of those 13 individuals by name?
14 MR. LEGG:
No.
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INVESTIGATOR:
We're looking for a couple guys, 16 and - that 's probably why.-
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. allegation over there, and what this relates to is the 18 unit ' strut brackets'that suppor.t-the cable trays nr pipino, 20
~ and'the allegation.is that some of the things that have 21 L happened over there, and the QC has bought off the bracing,-
22 the' unit strut the way it's installed,:and they have an 10 indent -- I haven't been over there to see it, so bear with 24 my ignorance, but I understand that when the QC inspector If buysnit off, he has a die with his number or his identificatio n
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4 MR. LEGG:
I didn't know that they stamped the
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I knew that they would write on there with-6 a marker-and put their; number. down.
7 MR. INVESTIGATOR:
The allegation we have, Chuck, 8
is that there's some animosity by some of.the workmen over 9
there,-in:the electrician craft or maybe some others,.against
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.some of-theEforemen or.the QC inspectors, and they are coming
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.along and changing the unit strut, making some modification
'12 so they' don't meet the design criteria to get the QC inspec-x p-
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'omes along in management and they'll see it's obviously not c
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done 'right and it's been bought off.
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17 MR. LEGG:
No.
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. INVESTIGATOR:
The last item, Chuck,"doesn't.have
~19 anything to;.do directly with craft, but it's a problem in the 2
use of-controlled drugs on the site.
We have had allegations
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some of the amphetamines is worse on this site than one would
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We know there are problems throughout America
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what you've seen there?
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MR. LEGG:
If there was drugs or pot' laying on the 3~
table, I wouldn't know it from a....
4 INVESTIGATOR:
Have you ever smelled pot being 5
. smoked in areas where you ha've worked?
6 MR. LEGG:
I have smelled unfamiliar stuff which 7
I guess is pot, because I~ don't (inaudible) smelled like.
8 I'm'sure that it goes on out there..
9 INVESTIGATOR:
Has anyone ever approached you to 10 try and sell you any drugs?
11 MR. LFGG:
No.
It wouldn't be advisable for'them 12
.to do that.
I wish.this - (inaudible) country would havi 13 i
Lcapital punishment and get rid of these (inaudible).
They 14 have no more business out here than -- or anywhere, not'on 15
.this-job or anywhere.
If that's'all they can do is pop pills 16 and stuff, don't (inaudible).
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-INVESTIGATOR:
Chuck, you-have been here now two 18 -
years,and you know that our Commission, we are paid by the 19
. taxpayers to make sure these plants are built according to 3D the specifications and, after they are built, that they are 21 operated. safely, and it is a challenging job because there is 22 no way that our inspectors can see everything and know 23
.everything that is going on, so we have to rely on the
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' proper; attention,_that the Commission ought to take a look 4'
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4 MR. LEGG:
No.
5 INNESTIGATOR:
How do you feel, Chuck, as a 6'
Professional craftsman, 'as to the quality of the work that
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- you are seeing being done in your field?
Do.you feel-it's 8
satisfactory?1
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,9 MR. LEGG:
Oh, yeah.
You h' ave got so many people ICL out here' checking and rechecking and-double-checking, that 11 if. somebody puts in anything that's shoddy, it's always 12 caught ~by somebody else.
You have people coming in and 13
- they didn' t have a good night or something, they-drag-through g'
14 the day'and what they do isn't up to par,- but there's dlways 15..
somebody that will catch it~and put it back the way-it was-16
-supposed to be.
.17 INVESTIGATOR:
. Gene, do you have the spelling of-18 Bryce's name?
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B-r-i-c-e.
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B-r-i.
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Right.
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INVESTIGATOR:
-Yes,.I have a couple.
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.You believe that everybody has sufficient 3
time, there is no.(inaudible) push'for people to finish the 4
job or to override. quality control (inaudble) performing-their 5
function.
6 MR. LEGG:
No.
We've got plenty of time.
This is 7-
- one thing about the job.
You have plenty of time to put it 18
'in right.
There ain't no need for a man not putting it in 9-right.
You know, we've got the time.
That's what we're 10 (inaudible).
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. 11 INVESTIGATOR:.That's right, yes.
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Quality.
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. 13 INVESTIGATOR:- And one that.we've,' I.think, gone
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14 around and not.specifically asked: are you aware of any 15 situations-where improper cable has been utilized?
And let 9
.16 me-give a specific. example.
Have you ever worked (inaudible) 17 elevation in the aux control building, Unit l?
' 18 M' R. LEGG:
Yeah.
19 INVESTIGATOR:
How about-(inaudible), cables or
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Have you ever been involved)
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24 INVESTIGATOR:
How did that come about?
Are you 25 L-aware of the circumstances?
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If I remember right, it'(inaudible)350,000
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INVESTIGATOR:
In reference'to those, how were 51 they installed?
6 MR. LEGG:
A' field change' request was. written up, 7'
and we --'this particular one, which is the only one that I've
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8 done out here,1we did a. parallel pigtail.
I believe we 9
paralled-number 2 to the 350 and used (inaudible).
10 INVESTIGATOR:
To the best of your knowledge, the-11
_one_that you worked on specifically, everything was done 12-according to the-proper procedure.
You have no reason to 13-que sti.on (inaudible).
9 14 MR. LEGG: No.
15' INVESTIGATOR:
Are you aware of any other. situation 16 ~
were somebody-else has (inaudible) not necessarily been done:
17 according to procedures, where_ engineering would_ evaluate the
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situation, make a decision and then (inaudible).
~ 19 MR. LEGG:
No.
As a matter of fact, my tool-
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partner-and I do just about all the pigtails (?)..
21 MR. INVESTIGATOR:
You do?
22 MR. LEGG:
Yeah.
A few of the men in the other M
crews pick up pigtails when A and I are picked up, but I
- 24 always look -- you know, paperwork (inaudible).
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To get to the cabinet?
No.
No, our 4-pigtails are=made in the wire, trough up in the motor control
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reason for the large cable is (inaudible).
7 INVESTIGATOR:
We had an allegation on the site 18:
where the-field rra. cables were too large to enter into.the 9
. cabinet!and tha't's why they were cut on the outside of the 10 cabinet, and the pigtail (inaudible)-.
11-MR. LEGG:
No, I've never run into that.-
r 12 INVESTIGATOR:
That's all I've got.-
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~13 INVESTIGATdR: Okay,' Chuck, appreciate it very-much,
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14 your-consenting to talk to us and give us_ frank answers.
I'm Lsure you' realize tha't1we are just-trying to get the truth-
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because.we have~to find out whether there is something to the 17..
allegations or not.
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- you very much, ' and we. will close this' sr
. interview at this time.. The time is~now approximately 9:38 20 a.m. and this is the close of the interview with Mr. Legg.
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