ML20128M916
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| Site: | Palo Verde  |
| Issue date: | 07/01/1982 |
| From: | Burdick W BECHTEL GROUP, INC. |
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1 28 Date: July 1, 1982 8506030116 831110 PDR FOIA BERNABE83-A-9 PDR TAYLOE ASSOCIATES Court Reporters 1625 I Street. N.W. Suite 1004 Washington. D.C. 20006 (202) 293-M50
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8 Interview of William R.
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10 11 12 July 1, 1982 Palo Verde Nuclear Station 13 14 Investigators:
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5-Mr. Burdick is a Level 2 QC Engineer in the 6-Quality Control Program for the'Bechtel Power Corporation
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at the.Palo V rde Nuclear Generating Station in Arizona.
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-This interview is taking place on July 1, 1.982, 8
. and our interview of Mr.. Burdick began at 7 :55 a.m.
10 Mr. Burdick was advised by me, Owen C.'Shakleton, 11 -
Investigator for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission 12 from Region 5, of the statutes that apply to giving testimony
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under oath.
He agreed to talk to the two investigators 14 that ' are' present under oath, and the oath was. administered 15 by myself.
16 Present to assist me.in conducting this interview 17 of Mr. Burdick is Mr. E.J.
Power, an' Investigator also 18 assigned to Region 5 of the U.S.
Nuclear Regulatory 18 Commission.
20 Mr. Burdick, do we have permission to tape record 21 your interview?
22 MR. BURDICK:
Yes.
23 INVESTIGATOR:
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We are not too_sure, according 2
to1his testimony, of what to do.
Do you feel that the 3
present staff of QC inspectors out there are trained enough 4
to know how to respond to that particular-situation?
5 MR. BURDICK:
Well, speaking'for myself, I 6
believe I am, and I do believe the rest I work with are.
- 7 INVESTIGATOR:
'Are there situations where 8
certain QC inspectors, either because they have not been 9
trained in certain' procedures, just would not_make'that
'10 decision, and therefore.they would refer them to someone 11 else.
12 How many QC inspectors do you have personally
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13 to take care of water coolant, as an example.
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We are talking about Unit 1.
15 INVESTIGATOR:
'Yes, we are talking about 16 basically Unit 1.
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There are three of us upLthere.
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INVESTIGATOR:
And basically you would be the 19 individual much more_ knowledgeable, even though another 20 QC inspector is qualified to perform the same function, 21 you would be more aware of the current procedures, require-ments, and so forth and so on.
And if somebody asked you 22 23 a question relative to -- even though you are generally 24 knowledgeable for another procedure -- would you normally 25 refer them to somebody who does that daily?
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Going-along with that line 3~
of., questioning, andlyour own luck to have been aroundi 4-J5:
the'world a few times, what do you feel -- how would you 6
_ describe the training you have given to-the QC inspectors ~
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Can you give us, as best that F 11
- -you can recall, the training you had since you have come 12 on board?
What-happened when youl initially came on board?
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- 18 I sat down here and-read everything that was 19 going to pertain to what I had to do.
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the gentleman who was training me would ask me questions.
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He wanted to know what 3,J22 spec, or what it was under.
3-think I got good training 23 when I first came here.
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How about your on the job training.
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some of the younger people.
How?do you feel your. work
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-do youff' eel _that you have'h'ad a free hand to' work'as a QC)
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Yes,fsir, I have.
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How about their supervision,- Bill.:
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19 MR. BURDICK:. I get along with them all.; Seventy-20 five to ninety percent of-getting the' job done right is
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I have never run into'any problems.
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Gene, do you have any; questions 4 -
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experienced any problems in performing or. executing a
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Getting the dispositions.
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Getting the dispositions.
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How about other QC~ inspectors?
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this, but --
19 INVESTIGATOR:
I wasn't-questioning.you 20
-- you know, your opinion-is-one, and the electrician, he 21 al
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I don't believe we have.
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Then you basically feel-that you
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Bill, have you had any experience.
4' where there has;been hapotic (phonetic) testing?
5 MR. BURDICK:
Yes, sir.
6-INVESTIGATOR:
Have you observed-or heard of 7
excessive hapotic (phonetic) of a cable?-
~8-MR. BURDICK:- No, sir; I haven't.
~9 INVESTIGATOR:
What do you understand is an,
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I guess one~ time,_and start 12 -
checking it out.
We hapotic.up there, and everything was
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You are not aware of any
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No, sir.
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Bill, have you had any work 19 that you had to inspect that involved the use of 0-Rings 20 where.they use ---the cable is run through a conduit, 21 and the conduit is fastened to a junction box or terminal' 22 box,:where it comes into a metal box, and they use an O-Rigg.
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Have you had 24 any inspections of that type of connection?
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3 INVESTIGATOR:..In the year since you have been 4
on the' site, do you know of any period of time in that 5
year that there were not 0-Rings available for the craftsmen
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'No, sir; I don't.
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helped them the other day pulling cable, and I just ask 9
the lead to stop the pull, to put the bushings in, and
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11 INVESTIGATOR:
Bill, have you ever witnessed or 12 heard of any problems where they,are.doing core drilling-13 Linto the-walls, where they have to make a new penetration-14 for a cable, and they-have accidentally drilled into an
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I believe in the main steam room.
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This is something you heard of 18 and did not witness?
19 MR. BURDICK; I did not witness, but I know 20 where it was at when it happened.
21 INVESTIGATOR:
Can you tell us where that was?
22 MR. BURDICK:
It was-dons on the 74 level, main 23 steam.
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And this is at. Unit 1, and~what 25 building would that be?
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-8 INVESTIGATOR:- Can you tell me,-to the-best 9
of'your recollection, when that occurred?
10 MR. BURDICK: No, sir; 'Idon't remember.
I-11 couldn't give you an exact date.
12 INVESTIGATOR: Was it last year, or 1982,---
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It was six or seven months ago,
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15 INVESTIGATOR:
.Do you remember the foreman, 16
.the craft foreman, or the craftsmen that were involved?
17 MR. BURDICK:
No, sir; I do not.
18 INVESTIGATOR:
It was your recollection it was 19 appropriately taken care of, and the damaged conduit-20 replaced?
21 MR. BURDICK:
Yes,' sir.
It was taken care of --
22 there was no way to damage the cable once it was put back 23
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Was it quality (inaudible) cable,
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on the situation..Either (inaudible),'or-the cra'ftsmen
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No,-sir, I don't,.because I did
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Do you think Mike (inaudible)-
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12 INVESTIGATOR:
The reason we are so interested' 13
-is.ine have one and we can't find him.
We.have gniall'egation, 14 Bill, that there was -- well, I _ will. read it to yc u:
In 15 the auxiliary building, on the southeast corner,: by the 16 one.hundred foot elevation, and about fifteen 1 feet above e
-17 the floor,. tliey drilled cores into the wall, and in'doin'g
.18 so drilled into some conduit.
Some of the damaged (inaudiblo 19 was located approximately eighteen inches into the contain-20 ment wall.
21 Is this the same area, or a different area?
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Let.me'ask you if you might know i
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Because we don't know whether they lt are electricians, or what their craft is, but they'were-4 supposed to be the ones assigned the task of' patching.
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One of them is named' Jerry Stuart, and the other was a' Bill-6 Williams, and there is another electrician that we believed
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.by the name.of-Bob Lunk.- That is the name we have.
'9 Are any of-these-names familiar to you?
10 MR. BURDICK:
No, sir; they sure~aren't.
11 INVESTIGATOR:
Frank Ostadt.
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Or Oswald.
We are not.sure.
It-13 could be Ostadt or Oswald.
14 INVESTIGATOR:
We understand'there has been a 15 tremendous turnover.
16 MR. BURDICK:
There has been quite a turnover.
17 None of them names sound familiar.
18 INVESTIGATOR:
Back to the one situation, how 19 did you become aware?
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In the main steam because of a 21 cable pull that ws
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Who told you?
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One of the other QC's.
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I went down with Jack.
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There was an NCR vritten against'it,iI am-e 11 :
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I don't believe he'did,:n'o..
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We will probably talk to Jack, a ;-
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but if he doesn't recall ~, can you.take us to that JM.
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19 MR. BURDICK:
Yes, I think.I could.
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It was in the main steam line?
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Very little.
Very little.
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Have you ever heard of any-8 problems.that are going around in Unit 2, between the QC
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I am talking about anomosity, hard feelings?
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No, sir.
If.there'are, I have never 12 heard anybody talk about it.
13 INVESTIGATOR:. I don't have any'further questions,'
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I don't either.
J16 INVESTIGATOR: -Only one-thing I want to hit on:---
17 MR. BURDICK:
It.is roughly somewhere in this.
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19 INVESTIGATOR:
We will go off the tape right now, while Bill shows the power locations on the map.
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The'last area I wanted to cover with you Bill 26 13 -your experience, or observations, of the usd of controlled
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' 121-drugs on site.
2-We have an allegation that there are drugs being 3
used here on the site.- Marijuana,. cocaine, and some of the-4.
amphetamines, like black' beauty, and hashish.
5 Have,you observed people working on site using 6
these drugs?
7 MR. BURDICK: HNo, sir.
I have never seen.anybody 8
Juse them.
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MR. BURDICK:
'Have you smelled Marijuana smoke 10 when you have been working in Unit l'.
-11 14R. BURDICK: -Not-to my knowledge I-haven't.-
.I maybe wouldn't know what it smelled like.
12 13 INVESTIGATOR:
I have no additional questions.
The only thing I would like to ask of'you., Bill, do you 14 15 have any concerns here'on the Palo Verde site in the P:
16 construction of safety-related equipment that you feel
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No, sir, I. don't.
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20 INVESTIGATOR:
I take it then from what you 21 said that you are satisfied with the work you have observed 22 as being of good quality?
23 MR. BURDICK:
Yes, sir, I do.
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Gene, do you have any further 25
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lgiven.the Commission in trying to~ resolve'these problems.
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