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Transcript of Interview of P Sollami on 820616 Re Allegations.Pp 1-9
ML20128N499
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Site: Palo Verde  
Issue date: 06/16/1982
From: Sollami P
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. INVESTIGATOR:.This is'an interview of Mr..Phil

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Okay, we'll~ proceed.

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9 The first concern, Phil, I've.got a list I'm.

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before we went on tape, in an effort to determine if' we've 14 15

.got., some. concerns 4of whether it's only limited to certain 1 People.

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workLthat you-did'not perform?

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. procedure, but I'knowlthat if the ca'rd'is lost, they go-throuch i

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None of your' cards have?been 9"~i 13 :

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I' realize you do.

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No, but I'm saying, everyftime we 18 finish a job, we take the card and we' bring it backi o'our t

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Even'if we.take off for lunch, we~take our cards with'us.

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Okay, Phil, the'next' issue lwas.

12 splicing of ; quality clas's cable.

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Are,you allowed to splice high; 16 voltage lines?

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Not.to my knowledge.

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Do you know~of any situations like that?

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something.might have occurred back in1that time.

14 The next issue, Phil,, relates. tx) some possible 15 Problems with startup.

You ' ve got. tx) bear with us now

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because we're not' acquainted with your craft, so if.I stumble

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t' same area to'do!some'more terminations and find where your 21 workLhas been'determinated and reinstalled and never done 22 I

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wasi.the~ fell'ows when they stripped the wires.

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desert they-were having a lot-of this material melting and-15 running.out of the termination.

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Woll, my experience is, I mean, 18 I know they1use the 2200.on the highl voltage, but what we g, _

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Have you had any problems, Phil,-

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lug connection.

Like, you've got a picker head that comes-7 off from a motor and it may have a smaller lug on it.with 8

only one-bolt hole.

Well, you have the heavy field' cable, 9

the Bechtel line that you're pulling in.to terminate, it's 10 got a double lug.

11 What's the procedure you're to follow there?,

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Well, if it's QC there they have to l' ,

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So what happens, we usually fill up the extra 14 hole and we try to -- we fill it up with -- well, we starting 15 to use the 13 Scotch-filler.- And we fill it up.

And we to (inaudible) 17 INVESTIGATOR: 'Have you ever used two bolts in the 18 two-bolt lug on the cables.

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19 up to miss a wrap needed?

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Yes, just to fill in the hole.

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No other reason?

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No dther reason that I know of.

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I think'just maybe four or five 15 here.

They apparently. question those items that they're 16 supposed to question and (inaudible) 17 MR. SOLLAMI:

Yes,-they're pretty strict.- "I mean 18

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That's what I meant.

How do they 20 perform,.how)you've. observed?,

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Phil,-have you ever observed where hO' 25

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him to take them off, and the guy takes them off even though 4

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All I could say is my experience.

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