ML20128N576
| ML20128N576 | |
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| Site: | Palo Verde  |
| Issue date: | 06/16/1982 |
| From: | Wallerstein C BECHTEL GROUP, INC. |
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| FOIA-83-161, FOIA-83-A-9 NUDOCS 8506030332 | |
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This is an: interview on June 16, I
3 1982 of Mr. Kerry Wallerstein.' And Kerry is an electrician 4
assigned to Palo Verde Nuclear Generating Station working for.Bechtel Power.
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Present for this interview from NRC, in addition 7
to-myself,-Owen Shackleton is Gene Power.
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investigators from Region V.
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g-Kerry, are we recording this interview with your permission.
10 11 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
You are.
12 INVESTIGATOR:
Okay, Kerry.
The first thing I 13 wanted to address is one,of the concerns that's been brought 14 to us, and that is how some of the termination cards have 15 been handled.
16 Are you working on terminations now, or have you 17-worked on terminations in the past; 18 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
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Okay.
Gene', yoif have~any~additione.1 14 questions?
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No, I don't think so..
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item, which is a problem in America, drugs.
You know we 17 got them out here, we've had allegations, we've-had problems.
18 What-is your opinion of the ' drug traffic on the site?
I'm 19 talking about all uncontrolled drugs,. Kerry.
Smoking pot, 20' snorting coke, what have you, amphetamines.
21 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
I can't answer about the coke
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How about currently, Kerry?
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I'm sure it's going on.
4 INVESTIGATOR: 'Well, have you come across it, pot-5 smoking currently?
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'We11,'not in the last probably 7-six.to'eight months.
But then again, you have realizeOI'm 8
in a no smoking area now.
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How about in the par' king lots and 10 in the smoking areas?
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And in the parking lot, I'm not in the parking 14 lot long enough to see anything.
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Do you know where they're making 16 buys, do you have any idea relative to that?
17 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
Where you can what?
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Buy, make arrangements to buy 19 narcotics and drugs.
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Probably a dozen or.so people.
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Would you care to name any that u
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No, I don't want to name chem.
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But you know that many on-site at am this time?
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worried about what'they're installing (inaudible) safety.
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I really don't care if they're 4
smoking pot.
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I really don't think you're going tc 16 get them out of the system, though.
7 MR. WALLERSTEIN:...Well, that's true..Again, when 8
you're asking me if I can buy it here.
Yes, I can buy it 9
here, but it's easier for me to just walk out.
I can get it 10 for free out here, too.
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Now, if you ask me if these people are dealers, 12 I would have to say, except for maybe two people, I would have 13 to say, no, they're not dealers.
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Are they selling pot, is-that what 15
-- they're dealing pot.
Is that what we're talking about?
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They have it for their own use.
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We're tulking about marijuana,
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19 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
Yes.
And if you want it you 20 can get it.
As.far as any harder drugs than that --
21 INVESTIGATOR: What's the going price out here for
. 22 a cigarette or for a lid, do.you know?
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No, I don't use it.
And I won't 24 work with people that do.
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It's pretty hard for the Commission to. certify to
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I realize that.
It's-a problem.
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Yes, we have a problem.
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But you're not going to get rid
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never going to stamp it all out, but we'd like to cut it back 16 as far-as we can.
17 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
I don't know how you plan to 33 do that, but good luck.
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Okay..Do you have any.further 20 questions, Gene?.
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hard-noses, but they get weeded - out pretty quick.
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Are you satisfied, Kerry, with the 6
work _that you've seen that-it's' satisfactory work?
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To a point.
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.in is terrible:in a lot-places. It's sloppy, really sloppy..
10 People like that, they shouldn't even have t'he 11 fur jobs, excuse the language.
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Is there some particular area our 13 2 inspectors ought to look at, where there's cable: laid that 14
_ you: feel ought to be -- something ought-to be done to correct 15 it?
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There's cables laid (inaudible) 17 walk around -into just about any cabinet in the control room 18 and.see some.
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might be 99 more cables going past.it that should have been 5
behind it not in front of it.
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I understand.
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So you wind up with shit looking 8
like that.
g INVESTIGATOR:
Yes, it was poor coordination is 10 what you're saying.
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I wouldn't -- I'd say --
it's 12 a --
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-- organization we have.
14 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
I blame it 50-50, management 15 and labor, because there's nothing on this job that (inaudible )-
16 can do, okay, that we can't take the time to do it right.
17 If it takes -- they don't care if it takes you 18 all day to terminate two lousy number 14 wires, but do it 19 right.
And a lot of times it's not done right, or it's done 20 right but it's sloppy.
21 But of course you can 't tell if something's sloppy 22 until you see something that's done neat.
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That's true.
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places, just cleanliness, and messy house, just how you clean 5
up an area.
And we-know from one site to another site.
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Of course, that's indicative 7-of the type you're ' going to get. (inaudible) 8 MR. WALLERSTEIN:
I agree with what~you're saying.
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Okay, Kerry, we really appreciate e-lo the time you've given to the Commission, and we'll discontinue 11 this interview now at 1:20 p.m.
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