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VAUGHN INDEX 4 50 APPEAL APPENDIX 6 348 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION In the matter of:
Interview of James B. Sweet Docket No.
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This is an interview of Mr. James, middle 3
initial "B" as in Baker, Sweet.
The last name is spelled 4
S-w-e-e-t.
5 Mr. Sweet is an electrician presently working for 6
Bechtel Power Corporation assigned to the Palo Verde Nuclear 7
Generating Station in Arizona.
8 Present to conduct this interview from the U.S.
9 Nuclear Regulatory Commission is Mr.
E. J.
Power and myself, 10 Owen C.
Shackleton, both of whom are investigators for 11 Region V of the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
12 Mr. Sweet, do we have your permission to tape 13 record this interview?
14 MR. SMEET:
Yes.
15 INTERVIEWER:
Thank you.
16 Okay, Jim the first thing I want to talk about, the 17 first area of the allegations we have, was in the methods and 18 practices and procedures that are being followed in the ter-19 mination cards that you fellows fill out and some of the N
allegations are that the termination cards are being filled 21 out at the direction of management for work that that particu-Zt lar guy didn't do.
23 Have you ever been asked to sign for a card for 24 work that you did not perform?
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Yes, one time.
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One time.
Could you tell us what the 2
circumstances were surrounding thht occasion?
3 MR. SWEET:
This was over a year ago.
I was out 4
at Unit 1.
I don't really remember.too many of the details --
5 INTERVIEWER:
-- all right.
'6 MR. SWEET:
-- I just remember that the work was 7
done.
I think the guy who did>.it had quit or something, I 8
really don't rememb.er but I was asked to sign a card so that 9
they could turn it in and I refused 10 INTER \\7IEWER:
Do you recall who asked yeu?
11 MR. SWEET:
Reggie Johnson, the superintendent 12 for Bechtel.
13 INTERVIEMER:
Do you know of any other wiremen 14' who have been asked?
15 MR. SMEET:
I --
16 INTERVIEUER:
-- to sign off cards?
17 MR. SWEET:
No, I don't know of any.
'a.f 18 INTERVIENER:
Fas this an amiable request or was 19 there pressure, coersion or anything like that?
20 MR. SWEET:
(He chuckles.)
21 INTERVIEWER:
Did he get unset over your refusal?
22 MR. SWEET:
I don't know if he did or not.
They 23 must h. ave changed the Answer.
He didn't pressure me into 24 doing it no, uh-uhh.
25 It wasn't anything important enough.
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It was just something had to'be signed
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3 INTERVIEWER:
90 they would have the document --
4 MR. SWEET:
Right.
5 INTERVIEWER:
Safety-related?
6 MR. SWEET:
It wasn't safety-related.
I'm sure it 7
wasn't.
I don't remember what it was but it wasn't anything 8
that amounted to anything.
9 INTERVIEWER:
What crew requested you work with 10 them?
11 MR. SNEET:
Startup, Unit 2.
12 INTERVIEWER:
Startup?
13 MR. SWEET:
I was in high vnJtage termination at 14 that time.
15 INTERVIEWER:
Do you know of any other wiremen who 16 been asked?
1'r MR. SWEET:
Well, he asked a couple while I was 18 there in the office, that same time he asked me..I refused it 19 and I think they did too.
20 INTERVIEWER:
What are the normal circunstances?
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.Did this occur when someone walks into the office, or --
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22 MR. SWEET:
No, no.
This i's iust -- I've been here n.
almost four years and that's the only time and like I say it 24 didn't amount to'anything.
It wasn't important at all.
25 INTERVIEWER:
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People have signed them that didn't do the work.
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'it other than that's right, the documents aren't true and'it 6-raises a lot of smoke.
7 MR. SWEET:
I will say this, 98 percent of the 8
wiremen on this job will not' sign anything they did not do.
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10 know, we were all.just standing the're and he asked me if'I 11 would sign.
I said no.
He asked the next guy.
He said no.
12-He asked another guy, he said no. And the next guy said no 13 I'll tell you what I would have done if he'd given 14 me the card, I would have gone out and checked it.and if it
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16 checked it out, you know, rather than to do it all orer-again, 17 which-was --
18 INTERVIEWER:
So he just asked you to sign it and 19.
give it back to him. ~He didn't didn't give you an. opportunity 20 to go'and look at it?
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Well, I just said no.
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But no one in particular?
2 MR. SWEET:
No, no one in particular.
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Is there anyone else that asked'the 4
men to sign it off besides Johnson?
5 MR. SWEET:
Not that I know of, no.
6 INTERVIEWER:
Do you know of any. body that signed 7
them off?
Has anyone mentioned to you that they signed them 8
off under protest?
9 MR. SWEET:
No.
I don't know of anyone that's 10 signed them off.
I have he'ard guys'in the unit have but no, 11 I didn' t hear anything.
12 INTERVIEWER:
Have you ever heard of any of them be-13 improperly executed by somebody other than the guy who is 14 signing off -- in other words, forgery on the signature or
. 15 something,'anything, even rumors to that effect?
16 MR. SWEET:
No, not that I know of.
1 17 Let's get it -- I will say one thing.
We have 18 gotten cards that the work was partially done.
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would go in and finish it and this person's name would already 21 be on the card so actually he had signed it for som'ething
-22 he hadn't done, you know, work hadn't been performed.
23 Mow this is very -- maybe two times I've ::een 24 handed something like that.
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2 MR. SWEET:
Oh,'this-is high voltage termination, 3
-just motors, stuff like that.
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INTERVIEWER:
Would dwre be a valid reason for this 5
not being --
6 MR. SWEET:
Yeah, there's a valid reason and also, 7
see, well there's only one high voltage crew and we all knew 8
each other and we knew each other's work and 4.f I would go-9_
and one man had already started the job and I would finish it, 10 well, I knew this guy had done it right and he'would know 11 whoever did it would do it right. One of the guys in.our crew
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There is only.about eight of us, I guess.
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I have heard some situations occur 14 ' '
wherein say you're doing some high voltage, termination and-15 you go into a cabinet.
It can't be done at that time and~
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therefore the individual can only sign it
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-18 MR. SWEET:
He might do one or two conductors and.
19 they stop you for some reason.
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Yeah.
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There would be a question and they stoo
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this card, I'd say it was done right.
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INTERVIEWER:
You see, what'c happened, some of the 3
guys have signed then, put their badge number on there and their crimping tool number and that wasn't a crimping tool 4
5 that was used.
So the record isn' t right.
6 MR. SWEET:
No.
7 INTERVIEWER:
Now the work may be perfectly good 8
and I know it is a big pain in the backside to a lot of guys 9
on nuclear jobs because you've got all' this paperwork but they 10 have to maintain a reliable audit trail and our people,.our 11 inspectors, there is no way in hell, we got 44,000 termina-12 tions out here, that's the estimated number, I think 6000 in 13 Class 2, there is no way our inspectors could see but a very l
14 sna11 part of them.
15 So when they do inspections and what not, make-16 their audits, they look at records.
We rely on the records.
17 MR. SWEET:
I'll say one thing.
I don't like 18 '
Bechtel at all but this is the best run nuclear power -- in 19 that aspec*.
20 I know there is one guy, a good friend of mine, 21 that puts their own print tool number on several cards'and 22 they caught it pretty cuick and they transferred him out of 23 the crev.
24 You know we vere talking about over publicity and 25 all and I can' t see that because like I say I think this is l
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INTERVIEWER:
'It's just unfortunate because the 2
3 public only gets the bad, it only' hears bad things.
4 MR. SWEET:
Well, it sells. newspapers.
5 INTERVIEWER: -- and it is out of context and they 6
don't even know how important they might be.
7 MR. SWEET:
And you get a guy fired or something 8
from.here'and he runs, trying to get back at Bechtel or UPS 9
or --
10 INTERVIEWER: Oh yeah, you've always got those situ-11 ations.
12 Your friend, would he do that intentionally?
13 MR. SWEET:
No.
I never did talk too much to him 14 about it.
It was just a mistake and I guess you get just one 15 mistake liNe that.
16 INTERVIEWER: Get laid off?
17 MR. ENEET: There was some kind of review.
They 18 '
fired him and he went to labor relations or something, got 19 back on but.he didn't get termination -- he's still here but 5m he never got back to termination crew.
21 INTERVIENER:
Would you care to mention his name:
22 MR. SWEET:
Arthur Arriaga.
23 INTERVIEWER:
Arriaga?
How do you spell that?
24 MR. SWEET:
I don't know. (He chuckles. )
His 25 l number is 352.
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Oh,you know his number.
2 MR. SWEET:
Yes.
I worked with him for a year.
3 INTERVIEWER:
Okay.
Give me the last name again.
4 MR. SWEET:
Hariaga.
5 INTERVIEWER:
I'll just write it.
6 MR. SWEET:
Art Harriaga's in Chicago in Local-136.
7 INTERVIEWER:
352, he must have come back again 8-with (inaudible).
9 MR. SWEET: No, he --
10 INTERVIEWER:
This is the guy with the crimping
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12 l-MR. SWEET:
Yeah. 352 is the right number?
13 INTERVIEWER:
I got an Avillar -- Alvillar --
14 A-1 c-i-1-1-e-r, 356?
15 MR. SWEET: No.
16 INTERVIEWER:
347?
17 MR. SWEET:
350-something; it might be 470.
18 INTERVIEWER:
471?
19 INTERVIEWER:
Jim, when you went in there and 20 Reggie asked you, do you remember who the other guys were that l
were present?
21 22 Can you recall?
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'4 R. SWEET: I belive Forrest Call was one of them.
24 Ile vas my sucervisor.
And I am not sure who the other ones 25 was.
I am sure there was three of us.
I am not sure who
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who'the other ones was.
2 INTERVIEWER:
Is that the only time it occurred?
3 Do you know whether or not it is a common occurrance on the
'4 site at all?
5 MR. SWEET:
No.
I am sure it isn't.
6 Now,. Unit 2, I haven't had that much to do with 7
t'ermina tion.
I have been in mostly startup.
8 INTERVIENER:
Startup?
9 MR. SWEET:
Yeah, I have done very little termina-10 tion but I am sure it's not like that.
11 INTERVIEWER:
How long have you been on startup?
12 MR. SWEET:
Oh maybe 10 (inaudible) when they had 13 startup, off.and on.
14' INTERVIEWER:
Yeah, that's whb_ we heard, problems 15 i and they had a layoff and --
1 16 INTERVIEWER:
Was there one last week?
17 MR. SWEET:
No. Three or four weeks now.
18 INTERVIEWER:
Any further cuestions you want to 19 ask him on, termination?
20 As we understand it, Jim, there is no procedure 21 to handle that when a card is missing. They don't have any 22
' written procedural guidelines and cards do turn up. missing.
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Well, we don't really have anything 24 to do with that.
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I just give y ou that as a piece t
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That's why some.of these foremen, they've 12 all(inaudible) and done things in different ways, do what 3
they thought was the right way.
4 Next situation I want to address is the spiking of 5
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6 tht.there was a circunstance in the -- where.some quality i
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tray and burned and some and rather than pull the 9
cable, one of the guys involved got a kit and repaired it 10 and never got QC_ involved or never did any paperwork and 11 never got it from there.
f IIave you ever heard of any situation like that?
12 13 MR. SWEET:
No, that's hard to believe,that a Oc 14 would (inaudible).
15 INTERVIEWER:
You don't get involved yourself in 16 any --
l 17 MR. SWEET:
No, I've just noticed it.
In fact, 18 it would bother me to have a nan looking over my-shoulder;all 19 the time.
20 INTERVIEUER: Yeah.
_ 21 So, the next one, in view of the first one we got 22 the doctor to start up, one of the allegations we have and 23 maybe you have experienced it when you were working high 24 voltage terninations, but guys were told, they are coming 25 back in areas where they_ work and their work has been bought i
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2 somebody or maybe put back and not put back in a neat fashion.
3 Some people'we have talked to have said, well, 4
startup guys woul.d sometimes -- and you've been on both sides 5
of it.
Is it a problem or not a problem here in-your experi-6.
ence?
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MR. SWEET:
No, it wasn't a problem.
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it done maybe once or twice.
There wasn't any problem since 9
we go ahead and fix it, you know.
We terminated like a large
'10 motor,'something like that, and a few weeks lat'er there'd be 11-some problem.
They wouldn't tell us what it was because we 12 couldn't reterminate it and maybe they'd even pull in new 13 cables or something and reterminate it again.
There's been very little reterminating, usually 14 '
~15 when you get the same guys to terminate it as to reterminate 16 the startup, usually from my experience I haven't seen men 17 really becoming (inaudible) in high voltage.
18 INTERVIEMER:
If they de as part of personnel 19 (inaudible) do they have to have a retermination (inaudible).
M MR. SWEET:
The way I understand it, any cable that 21 is reterminated here is supoosed to have a card on it.
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23 I don't know if~everyone does that.
That is the 24 procedures.
25 INTERVIEWER:
Yeah, yeah.
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The next subject was the improper --
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2 the use of improper insulation on.high voltage termination.
3 Do you understand-that up until approximatly a
'4 year ago, you fellows used a material called Schotch Fill 2200 5.
.and apparently from the temperatures we experience out here, 6
.that material was leaking and coming out through your wrppping 7
and then they changed 130-c.
8 Were you involved in some of that?
9 MR. SWEET:
Yeah, I was.
10 INTERVIEWER:
Did you fellows have a retrofit 11 program? Did you have to go back on quality class work and 12 redo it or not?
13 MR. SWEET:
I know when they told us-what materials 14 to use, we knew it was the wrong one, but they said this 15 has'been substituted, has been okayed and substituted for l
16 what we were supposed to.use.
It is okay to use, so we went 17 ahead and used it and it did - 'we did have a problem with it
.18 and I didn' t go back and.reterminate it, I don't recall why 19 but someone else did it, what was to be done and that's about 20 all I know about it.
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17e knew it was the wrong -- it wasn't the right 22 fill'to start with.
23 INTERVIEWER:
Uhh-hmm.
24 MR. SWEET:
We told them so and they said
"- they 25 showed me the paper that said it had been substituted.
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1 INTERVIEWER: 'Do you know whether or not any
.2 UC audits were written up'on it?
3 MR. SWEET:
I'm sure they were.
4 INTERVIEWER:
But as far.as you are concerned when 5
you were personally involved, everything was done according 6
to -
- 7 MR. SWEET:
Right --
8 INTERVIEWER: paperwork was there --
9 MR. SWEET:
And Reggie wasn't to blame because it 10 came down to him, whoever okayed.
11 INTERVIEWER: That's why we're trying to tie some 12 of these down because we have heard from a couple of people 13 that' question what they find -- incompetent electricians, 14' Bechtel for=one reason or a~nother wants their own way.
15 MR. SWEET:
Anything that has been done, if there 16 has been any cuestion at all to my knowledge has been redone.
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Ycu know, there has been a few things that was questionable 18 but then they come'back --
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They come back where?
EL MR. SWEET:
They even pull new cable in and you 21 know --
22 INTERVIEWER:
They let you make up for it, won't 23 they?
24 This is connecting of bolt lugs and we have an 25 allegation that some of the field cables you guys run have a l
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two bolt-lug on the end of them and sometimes you go and 2
connect'it.to a motor and the thicker head has a one-bolt 3
lug. connecting?
4 Did you ever run into that situation where you Si (had a.two-bolt lug to a one-bolt lug?
6 MR. SWEFT:
Well, yeah, I've run into it but we 7
didn' t use a two-bolt lug.
We made our own lugs to fit the 8
' motor.
If it's the wrong lug on there, we cut it off and 9
put a new one on.
We'd either drill it, use a blank lug and 10 drill it to fit or if there is a two-b'olt lug, we cut it off 11 and used the one. -bolt that would fit properly.
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We never connected them like that.
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INTERVIEWER:
Did you ever have to fill the void?
14 MR. SWEET: There really wasn't any void.
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No, I meant -- yeah, you never left 16-the two bolt?
'17 MR. SWEET:
No, no.
18 INTERVIEWER:
.That was the allegation.
'19 MR. SWEET:
I'd say that wasn't done, either one.
20 If it was done, it wea Sone (inaudible) because like I say 21 just (inaudible) was there and I know none of'the guys would~
22 do that.
23 IMTERVIEWER:
Horace Hall, George f1 iller, (inaudible) 24 Bill.Coloni, Bob Hendrickson, Gerry Lefebre -- who is the 15 other one? Couldn't say. Isn't that something?
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Is that the roster there?
2-INTERVIEWER: Yeah.
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3 it's -- Gunderson, Coctello -- was he high voltage?
-4 MR. SWEET: Oh yeah, Bob Otello -- he, see I quit,-
5 that was the 8th -- John Coctello and went down 8th.
6 INTERVIEWER: He's gone and Gunderson's gone.
7 MR. SWEET:
And then when I cuit, they replaced me, 8
two guys came in the crew and then they started pushing pretty 9
often but we were in there together.
for almost a 10 year and a ha'f.
11-Oh, and Lew -- Polish name or Bohemian name --
12 boy, I was (inaudible) on one.
I worked with the guy all of 13 the time and I can't think of his name.
He is in Unit 3 now.
14 INTERVIEWER:
I'll see if I can find out.
15 INTERVIEWER:
Cary Wallerstein?
a 16 MR. SWEET:
Well, he used to do terminations but 17 not high voltage.
18 INTERVIEWER: We don't have any Lew's.
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Okay. Costello too'k his place, I be-21 lieve.
I am not even really sure about that.
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the QC people who are inspecting the work being performed 24 by the wiremen.
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and you know I'd say they are very good.
4' INTERVIEWER: Are you working on Unit 2 now?
5 MR. SWEET:
Yes.
6 INTERVIEWER: But you did the high Noltage tsrmisa-7 tions (inaudible).
8 MR. SWEET:
Right.
9 INTERVIEWER:
How about the OC over there?
10 MR. SWEET:
Yeah, they, they were good.
11 INTERVIEWER:
Who.did you know?
12 MR. SNEET:
(Chuckles.)
I'm trying to think, I 13 really don't remember their names.
I didn't get familiar with 14 them on Unit 1 as I had on Unit ? for some reason.
I became 15 friends with a couple of them on Unit 2; Unit 1 they were-16 just in the way all the time.
Maybe I got used to them,.I 17 don't know.
18 INTERVIEWER:
Do you feel that QC either in Unit 1 19 or Unit 2, from what you observed on site, are able to work 20 intependent from construction and freely do their.iob without 21 being intimidated?
ZZ MR. SWEET:
Oh yeah, they do.
23 INTERVIEWER:
When you were working, vell, let's 24 stert out by, I don't know enough what I am talking about, do 2
you do high filing and tartup?
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Yes, uh-hmm.
2 INTERVIEWER:
One'of the allegations we have is 3
. observations made by some people is that their feeling that there has been excessive high filing on the same cables.
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5 Have you observed this where there has been exces-sive high filing?-
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MR. SWEET: Yes, definitely.
On Unit 1.
8 INTERVIEWER:
On Unit l?
9 Can you give us some detai..s'of where this was i
10 observed and was it on a quality class line?
11 MR. SWEET: No,- I don't believe it was quality 12 class.
It was out in the manholes, the.(inaudible) 13 and we die -- first of all, the cables had a lot of noisture linthem. We dried them out and this took quite a while. When 14 15 I found them first, and then we dried them out and then we high filed then again -- anyway some of the cables were high 16 17 potted maybe three or four times and I don't think they recom-18 mend over twice, I'm'not sure about that.
I.t's a 750 NCN cable and they definitely were high 19 20 potted too much.
21 INTERVIEWER:
Was this brought to the attention 22 o'f management, namely,say anything to the. foreman about it?
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Oh, well, yeah, they knew about it.
24 INTERVIEWER: Why was it done so many times?
25 MR. SWEET:
Because of the exter.L of the moisture.
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2 INTERVIEWER:
Had to dry then out~to get a good --
3 MR. SWEET:. Right, and I believe that we spliced 4
them and I believe some of them were cut out and repulled.
5 I am not sure about that.
I didn't have anything to do with 6
that but I believe they were.
7 INTERVIEWER:
Who was the foreman on the iob?
8 MR. SWEET:
Pichard Keith was the high voltage 9
termination (inaudible).
10 INTERVIEWER:
This was basically all non-safety 11 related?
12 MR. SWEET:
Yeah, it's non-class.
13 INTERVIEWER:
How about on the startup.
14 are you required to do the same dccumentation on the high 15' pot?
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I inagine the foreman is.
We don't.
17 INTERVIEWER:
You don't directly?
18 MR. SWEET:
No.
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M Ah, let me see now, usually now Unit 1, I haven't 21 done very much on Unit 2 -- in fact I haven't done any high 22 filing on Unit 2 -- Unit 1 there was always an engineer with 23 us and he did the documentation.
24 INTERVIEWER:
Okay.
25 MR. SWEET:
IIe did it right there.
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INTERVIEWER:
Even though it was not safety-related?
2 MR. SWEET:
Right'.
3 INTERVIEWER:
--.this excessive moisture in the 4
water, how did that come about?
Improper storage or what?
5 MR. SWEET:
Well, the manholes, they had a lot;of 6-rain that winter and the manholes just got flooded.--
7 INTERVIEWER:
I:see.
8 MR. SWEET:
-- and the end of the cables in some 9
way or another soaked up the moisture.
10 INTERVIEWER:
Did ypu pull'the moisture out through 11 the casing?
1:L MR. SWEET:
Well, we pumped oxygen - nitrogen and 13 got it out.
14 INTERVIEWER:
The next subject has to do with in-15 stallation of conduits, connections in the control building 16 in the 100 foot elevation and the concern expressed here was 17 there was an admission of the use of 0 rings in many cases, 18 that there were no O rings available.
I 19 Do you know anythino about that subject.
M MR. SWEET:
No, you'd have to get up on top of the 21 cabinet.
I had no reason to get up there.
The only thing 22 I can see and I asked,a QC man about it, cushions on the
- 5 inside of the cabinets on the nipples coming down, I asked 24 him why some of them didn't have cushions.
He said as long 25 as they were bevelled on the inside they didn't need it. All' I
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conduit and all nipples are supposed to be bevelled inside
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'and I didn't -- I just took his word for it but it didn't seem 3
right to me.
_4 INTERVIEWER:
Do you remember any discussion about 5
the shortage of 0 rings?
6 MR. SWEET:
No.
I hadn't heard a thing about it.
7 INTERVIEWER:
Okay.
8' The next subject, Jim, has to deal with damaged 9
conduit from drilling and not being properly repaired.
What 10 we are talking about here, we had a allegation that in the
' ll aux building there was some drilling going through some of the 12 walls and they were they were taking the cords out and put 13 (inaudible) conduit and apparently the guys doing the drilling 14 -
hit the conduit and did some damage?
15 MR. SWEET:
I don't know anything about that either.
16 INTERVIEWER:
.Wlu) does -- the way we understand, 17 the electricians don't do that drilling.
That is done by 18 -
someone else, I would think?
19 MR. SWEET:
The core drilling is contracted defi-20 nately I guess.
It's just --
21 INTERVIEWER:
Do you know the name of the contracter?
22 M9. SWEET:
I hope so.
I've seen the truck enough.
23 (Pause. )
I can't think of it.
24 INTERV I ?'JER :
But it is done by a another contracte r?
25 I1R. SWEET:
Yeah.
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INTERVIEWER:
Then who would do the repairs, Jim, 1
2 of'the conduit?
3 Is that done by the wiremen or --
4 MR. SWEE.T: That would be our work, yes.
5 INTERVIEWER:
Do you have patching crews that you 6
know of that when you work on --
7 MR. SWEET:
I'll tell you the truth, I've never 8
heard of anybcdy who was patching
. conduits, is that 9
what you want, a (inaudible) conduit?
10 INTERVIEWER:
Yeah.
11 MR. SWEET:
I don't-know any way of patching 12 (inaudible) conduit.
13 INTERVIEWER:
Have you ever run into an Offstadt?
14 MR. SWEET:
Offstadt?
15.
INTERVIEWER:
Yeah, guy by that name, close to it, 16 Offstadt, Mike Offstadt?
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17 MR. SWEET:
No.
18 INTERVIEWER:
Nobody involved in patching?
19 INTERVIEWER:
Bob Lunt?
Known as -- he has a nich-20 name?
i that sounds familiar but I 21 MR. SWEET:
Bob 22 still can't' place hin.
23 Lunt -- I don't think I know him at all.
24 INTERVIEWER:
Now you're working over in 2 now, we 25 have an allegation in 2 that down on the lower level, we don't r
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'I have any specific detail'of anything but the way I understand 2
it, unit struts were used.for supporting the table trays or 3
piping when they're welded in place and they go on there, 4
attached to an embed plate and the QC inspector makes an in-5 spection and as I understand it, he has a dolly he strikes 6
with a hammer and makes his symbol on the embed plate to show 7
he's bought off.
8 And we have been told that there has been some 9
hard feelings between some of the craf ts and OC, some of the 10 crafts and some of the construction foremen and they're modi-11 fying some of the unit struts after they're bought off --
12 which is apparently supposed to be pretty obvious so it gets 13 the QC or the foreman in trouble.
14 Have you heard anything about that?
15.
MR. SWEET: No.
16 A lot of times there is hard feelings between those 17 craftsmen and OC, the QC guy's been hired off the street. You 18 have got these welders in, welding for 20 30 years and 19 the QC man tells him the weld's not right or something like 20 that, you are just bound to get hard feelings.
21 INTERVIEWER:
. 1, sure, veah --
22 MR. SWEET:
But generally --
23 INTERVIEWER:
The last item, Jim, doesn't relate 24 to work itself but a problem we face all over the country, 25 the use of controlled drugs.
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We have an allegation that there is an excessive 2
. amount of controlled drugs, p'rimarily marijuana, but also 3
hashish, cocaine and some of the amphetamines like black 4
beauties that are being used on site.
5 What is your experience and observations?
6 MR. SWEET:
I've seen a little bit of pot and I've 7
seen a few guys drink a little bit.
Overall, I've seen less 8
on this job than I have any job I've ever been on -- of these 9
jobs.
' 10 INTERVIEWER:
Umm-hmm.
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11-MR. SWEET:
I suppose it is here but boy -- and I'v e
12 worked all over.
I have refused to work with a guy who smokes 13 pot.
I don't work with him, or if he drinks and only one 14 time that I have worked with a guy that started to smoke pot 15 and I did the work with him and that was it.
16 INTERVIEWER:
Is that guy-still here?
17 MR. SWEET: No.
18 INTERVIEWER:
Jim, this is only for my own edifi-19 cation, what_'does Manson do?
What does the union do if some-20 body -- if you don't want to work for somebody, you have to 21 'I go back.
and say for whatever reason I am not happy with 22 the guy I am assigned.to work with.
Does the union take any 23 action?
24 MR. SWEET:
Oh, if you take it (inaudible).
25 INTERVIEWER:
I meant just as a normal routine.
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Say -you'v'e gotten stuck with a~ guy drinking on the
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job th'is morning and you go to your foreman and say, hev, this 3-is not for me -- what happens?
4 MR. SWEET:
Well, personally I wouldn't tell the 5
foreman he's drinking, I'd just say~I don't want to work ~ kith 6
the guy, personality conflict or.if he is falling down drunk 7
I'd tell the foreman to get him off the job or I'd got him 8
off the job or something.
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g As far as telling the foreman that he is drinking 10 or smoking pot, I'd only leave it unless he was -- he might 11 hurt someone, but like I say I wouldn't work with him but 12 I wnuldn't go tell if they were doing it either. I mean that's f
.13 me personally.
l 14 INTERVIEWER:
Yeah.
15 INTERVIEWER:
We're prepared.
We've heard the 16 comments before. A good portion of them -- don't want to work 17 with
-- safety.
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INTERVIEWER: Then I would have the next question, 19 like I just asked, would be then well, what happens to the 20 individual?
Do'they carry him or do they force him off the 21 site one way or another?
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SWEET:
Eventually they ard fired, yeah.
You 23 take a guy that drinks on the job.
He's going to --
24 INTERVIEWER:
Me is iust not going to last..
25 MR. SWEET:
No, he's going to get fired sooner or ll l
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I later and same with smoking pot.
He is going to get caught 2
sooner or later so they get swful brave with it and I have' 3-seen my (inaudible) have not seen'out here,'that and a little 4
guys' drinking and drinking -- the only drinking I have seen 5
was around the holidays and that is all I have seen and I 6
have been here almost four years now.
7 I have read it in the paper about all of the drugs 8
and everything and, ch, a little bit bought and sold in the 9
parking lot and stuff like that but as far as use on the job, 10 well, I haven't seen hardly anything as far as our construc-11 tion job was, it is amazing to me.
12 I just don't understand -- when.I read that in the 13 Paper, I couldn't hardly believe that they -- I guess --
14 INTERVIEWER:
Well', yeah, yeah, well --
15 INTERVIEWER:
You never know how factual some of 16 this is.
Some guy sees one sale maybe.
It's just hard to 17 tell.
18 MR. SWEET':
A lot of times you'll have a crew of 19 three or four young guys on the crew and maybe they'll kind M
of stick together and smoke pot together, they go hide sone-21 place and smoke and maybe somebody's seen that, I don't know 22 bUt as long as you're,asking.
23 INTERVIEWER:
Well, Jim, you've been in this craft 24 about 14 years and worked on other sites and whatnot, what is 25 your opinion of the craft and work that you have seen done s
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27 Are you satis' ied that it's satisfactory?
What is your f
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2 opinion?
3 MR. SWEET:
The workmanship?
4 INTERVIEMER:
Umm-hmm.
5 MR. SWEET:
The conduit overall is good, I have 6
seen better but it's good.
On a job that's IG.got such a 7
turnover, especially with Bechtel -- most people don't like 8
that and Bechtel with all their rules -- I don't mean --
9 every nuclear power has rules and regulations but Bechtel, 10 they keep things stirred up all the time with the men.
They iI 11 think the men are scared of the job or something they'll do 12 better work.
I don't know what there philosophy is but every 13 job I have been on with Bechtel,.i t seems they try t,o do this' I
14 i: and therefore you have a heck of a big turnover plus when l
1E you have as many cuit, Bechtel makes money, when they hire
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16 and fire or c' guy ouits, Bechtel makes money each time a 17 gater comes in.
They like that too.
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But even with the. big turnover and all that, I 19 would say the workmanship was above average.
I have seen 20 better and I have seen worse.
21 I v.ill say it again, I'll say this for Bechtel, 22 I've never seen a nuke run the way this one is, QC you know 23
_and everything, procedures, everything -- in fact it drivos 24 you cra7.y-sometimes but they are really super about it, I M
will say that for-them.
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I"TERVIEWER:
Jim, is there any concerns that you 2
might have that vou feel that our engineers when they are 3
out doing their inspection ought to be looking into where 4
maybe not giving enough attention now?.
5 MR. SWEET:
I am really not familiar with what you 6
guys -- in fact or anything else --
7 INTERVIEWER:
Okay, nur engineers get into primarily 8
almost exclusively to.the safety-related items, those things 9
i if they went haywire could endanger the health and safety of 10 the public or the people working in the plant, so during the 11 construction oeriod that is what they are looking into.
12 Okay, I don't have any additional questions.
13 Jim, I appreciate very nuch your giving us your h
14 I time and we cill bring this interview to a close and the time End 15 is now approximately 11:47 in the morning on June 28th, 1982.
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