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| Site: | Palo Verde  |
| Issue date: | 07/13/1982 |
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{{#Wiki_filter:g:- 3g .( ' UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION f In the matter of: Interview of Terry-Bunting-Docket No. e 1.- 40 Location: Pages: - Date:- July 13, 1982 ~ 8506030105 831110 PDR FOIA BERNABEB3-A-9 PDR E TAYLOE ASSOCIATES Court Reporters 1625 I Street, N.W. Suite 1004 Washington, D.C. 20006 (202) 293-3950 L _.-
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~ 19 : -INVESTIGATOR: What'.was the composition of: the 20 (inaudible) at that' time? 21 ] IMR. BUNTING: Two electricians.and one pipe'-n 7 l 22; ifitter.. 23 INVESTIGATOR: Okay. The pipefitter is. Charlie;' ~ p _ Wright-and.you[were one of the electricians. Who was~.the.
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.Our understanding,is.that this J ' / 13 occurred some time-in April of 1981;jis'that correct? A.s 14 ' - MR. -BUNTING: That was about the timecthat. , A, ' 15 Charlie:was 1aidioff,.yes. m
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117 knowledge of~the initial' allegation coming,up?- ~ m 18 - MR. BUNTING: Yes. 19 INVESTIGATOR: When-didryou'.first'become knowledgeable that Charlie was unhappy or made an allega'- ~ x 20-21- . tionor there was a problem area? ~ MR. BUNTING:' About a week-I guess, or maybe~ 22 ' 23 ' two after-he left. Steve Bell approached me'and said. 24 - that he.had~made allegations. e',- y, INVESTIGATORi Can you recall'specifically-what. ('# ' 1' L 25 3 ] l, ..__m
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(Laughter) Or something to that effect..I:can't a 5-- remdmber how it' was.. [Almost laughlable at the time.' 6- . INVESTIGATOR: And this/would-have-been then . Isome' time, one week,,- two weeks after he.was terminated? 1 81 MR. BUNTING: iYeah.. 9-INVESTIGATOR: To the best of your knowledge,. 10 -
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/ 11 ' MR. BUNTING: 'It was-a couple of weeks af ter.he. s 12 - was terminated. .e j%],i ^ I/ ' 13 INVESTIGATOR: Dofyou. recall whether or not there 14' /was an investi'gation or inquiry conducted at that time? 15.. q MR. BUNTING: There'wasn't for me. 16 , INVESTIGATOR: Did'anybodyfinterview relative ~ Itoiyour-knowledge of-what occurred based upon Charlie = 17. 18 Wright's allegation? 19 : MR. BUNTING: Jack Donaldson was-involved in-20-somo. paperwork,~I guess he called it. That's all-I know. a' ~ ~
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Do you recall ~ talking to him relative' to the : incident and the comments made by -Charlie ' L 22l 23 -Wright?? ~ 24 MR. BUNTING: Oh,.no. -No. I did -- I did later. f%. 25 INVESTIGATOR: Later when? + Y
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12' INVESTIGATOR: Yeah. Do.you know.whether or notl, ~ T 3 + w(.,c'W ' (inaudible)?, 4-113-Bellimaintained-any~ copy-of:the, report 14 ' MR. BUNTING: Maybe -(inaudible)Chasia _ copy of -15 ~that report, but Jack Don'aldsonlhas it. 1 . ~ Is' Bell'still._around? 1 16 - INVESTIGATOR: ty _ .c: -17L MR. BUNTING:-[He's:in Canada right1now. '1 18. INVESTIGATOR:: Is _ he':still employed -byf(inaudible) ?J N - 19. MR. BUNTING: 'No.- 4 7
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.-He :isi still employed byf (inaudible) ?; J 21 : MR. BUNTING: Right. And=I've beenLtold by.'ourL 4 ~; 22 : man'ager - (inaudible) n he ' will: be available~ to 'you (inaudible) , 23 - INVESTIGATOR: :Do you recall sp'ecifically_any. p f l 24 ~ other:than wha't you have personally discussed here;:what
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[ ^ MR. BUNTING: No. No. One day I'saw him at a 7 o ~ 'stop sign -and : honked. He'just" glared at'me and drove 'n, r- ~ o ~ 8' ag; .so -- !16 ~ INVESTIGATOR: DidLIsunderstand you correct, ' '~ . 11' .-Terry,'you'said at the time.you wo'rked,together you were a 12L ' friend'of Charlie's, socially, both onLthel job, and he.- .never claimed to you -about cany problemsihe thoucjht lie h~ad fl.
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Correct. I didn't see him .Q 114 (inaudible). .I found'out about.it'when we went back in th'e trailor and-grabbed my hat tio get out' of here. Steve- ~ 15 t-161 - was there with his check and L termination c (inaudible), 17 - you know. 18 ' Being they wereLboth' friends of mine,-I really-
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But I saw it_ coming ~ 20 with Charlie's attitude-towards the job,.-being_very grumpy-Land;seen Steve wat'ching him very close, that he didn't go 21. too slow and. cause too much of : (inaudible) =.. 5 1 22 23. -INVESTIGATOR: What-shift were you working at s 24-that time? . o} - r 25 ' MR. BUNTING: We always worked one shift. c 'I Y , it x x. y ,Vi
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E22-Do they get paid' more for-'it? ' 23 - MR.-BUNTING: LYou'mean,I, as a supervisor.-- 24. INVESTIGATOR: No.,;I'm -- (inaudible) 'I'm q~
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-MR. BUNTING: Well, probably! sixty.- 7- ~ . INVESTIGATOR: Sixty.. Is that just onisite 8 litself?. Did ' you - get paid (inaudible) ~ L ~ x - g' -Anything'over forty is overtime?. .10 ~. MR. BUNTING: Time and a' half. ~ ~ s. 11 INVESTIGATORi 'Did you.have any incentiv'e to ~ 12 ' shorten the cycle? j \\._-}i-13 ,MR. BUNTING: -No. (~ . 14 INVESTIGATOR:. The~ reason I' asked that, Terry, r151 is that.I understand lthat in contrast with Charlie,< Mike: g 16 : was the' key operator who.tries to7 shorten the cyclecto-17 ~- _,the maximum practical extent._ 4 118 -MR.-BUNTING: Yes. J 19 INVESTIGATOR: ~ Is there any -incentive' for :him tof. 20 doIthat? - 1 - 21: MR. BUNTING: 'No, not per se. If he gets his-22 work done,ihe.can go'home. 'He likes to go home. Hee'isethe ~ 23 ~ type of person-who really-doesn't like to work forty hours. _x ~., . 24 jAn'd it's a very good job for a pipefitter. ~ t v 26 INVESTIGATOR: Well, then he does have an incentive m [ 1 p. Vl t c, n; n
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-.13 What would'a pipefitter do at.that time? .x_): 14 ; MR.. BUNTING: 1IIisJjobs are.to change -(inaudible) .e )F, 15 if'they need changing. Get 'his:,(inaudible) for the welds. 16. And also to-keep bulkhead inside(the pipe.. There is.no 1 17' electrical' connections'or anything:like that.- Ile puts ~ 18 Jbasically.a plug (inaudible) :.to; keep -the - draf t.' from flowing through -the pipe. -19 I " 20 - ' INVESTIGATOR: 'What is the speci'fic title ' for s 1 21' ,that? l *
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' 9 INVESTIGATOR: Okay. -Back-to.this handlingiof' /10 the safety 1related situation (inaudible), would.it;be right 11' .s, s T ' cto assume in most of the ' cases. (inaudible), had-been placedl ~ f 1 12-there the' day before? 13' MR.: BUNTING: ~. Oh, ' yes. ' 14
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All that.would be done.without . (inaudible)~
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~any observation or basically the-knowledge of L 16 : MR. BUNTING: Most" of the time ~ he didn' t even 17 - know where the weld was that'he'was1(ina6dible) 18 ' . INVESTIGATOR: What 'would be the normal - (inaudible ) 19 ' located 1 20: .MR. BUNTING: It would be'behind.(inaudible) c:' '. 21 INVESTIGATOR: A different level.- e -22 MR.' '. BUNTING : Yeah, right. - 23 INVESTIGATOR: So,' consequently to the best of. 24' your knowledge, the heat treatments that were done by f. Charlie were different than' the ones we observed today' which i 25 ' Es -/. i ?,p.1 . et- ~...- j .i4< it i,,-4 1>
a v., l-( i _I-s - :.1 71 ^1 -are being don ~eLin a-(inaudible).The.ones;he wa~s doing were ~ <3 Af' 22.
- done inside one(of the' containments.or-one of the other
~ '3l (inaudible) out~of the site. N 7' ,4 -MR.~ BUNTING: I. don't know-wh'a't selding hecis 5
- referrin'g to, but the ones in.the building are (inaudible).
. 6 :. -INVESTIGATOR: Is.thht,where he worked? ;Only' l7' -in'the: building, or did he work in'the building'and'over'at 8' - 'the (inatIdible) shop both? g' MR.' BUNTING: He never worNed'inLthe (inaudible) 10~ shop <in:the past few years..
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INVESTIGATOR:.Okay. SoLall-of;his(work was. 12 done.in the' building, and he did not~seeithe electricians ['[ 13' attaching thermal couples necessarily and all the'se..other-x,. 114 things. '(inaudible) 15: , So basical'ly all he.would~see during the actual q ~ u /16 - l s tress release.. in Loperation was.the ' acti'vities at the'; con--'- -. a -17 sole. (inaudible) more behind:.the console, - right? '18- - MR. BUNTING: H 'he had a problem.how Qin udible) 19 he would contact us.- We would (inaudible) ~ 20 : INVESTIGATOR: Proce'durally,.wasLhe allowed-to' 21 leave the console?. l' [22 MR. BUNTING: No, I don't-think~so.> No. 23
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What happened if he had to go to h. 124 the. latrine or something of this nature?- D-i .. (V ; Ustially, Steve -would1 stand by. 125 ' MR.~ BUNTING: ~ > n ?- it '~~) ~ .,- r..~- ,./ g !{'$
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V: 18 rU ,L1' These are ;(inaudible) with a" (inaudible)-' weld, 'it's just y. 'yf -2 al--.well,: you.have. (inaudible) ' period there because it ' ~ '3. 'doesn'I?haveHto:befmonitored as closely;while:it's on- ^ > f4 .Lautomatic"controlland~he'can go (inaudible). ~ ~ 25 ~ '. INVESTIGATOR:'- Why is-that? 6 MR.-BUNTING: 'Because the machine controls'it. 71 That's when it1(inaudible)- 8 INVESTIGATOR: Once he is adjusted. ~ 9 MR. BUNTING: : Yeah, right. (inaudible) other J 10. 'than sitting there and screaming (inaudible)..He usually ~ 11. <has his (inaudible) 12 . INVESTIGATOR: ' In reference to a. safety grade a; 13, situation now, okay. A pipefitter is"in a situation, the ,:[]O ~ ~$ ; J14. QC inspection of-a safety related. pipe - (inaudible).done - 15 ' 'necessarily.whenith'e electrician-is' putting.the thermal- ^
- j 16 couple s i. on. - - Do they have a' requirement.to be there (inaudible)
--at the start ofithe (inaudible) i 17 : 18 MR. BUNTING: QA -- INVESTIGATOR: ..QA ~, QC. - 19 ' ~ 20 MR.. BUNTING: Sometimes I know -- Ildon't-:think-L21 it is required, although - (inaudible). 122 INVESTIGATOR: (inaudible). random. selection, J he - .m '23 might be around. MR. BUNTING: And_sometimes he-inspects' thermal " p-24 .y 1 ,L a \\,4.,, .u;. s. a'j. ' ~ 25 couples after the (inaudible) but always'before (inaudible) { c. y. E-l t 3 .s f ) 0, ) [ )i -(Q r ( F J' ' j ' :j.: ys s m
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7 E' ~ 3: ? INVESTIGATOR: Ne have 'information (inaudible) (Mh.Wrightclaidstohaveoverheardaconversation,includ- ~ ~ 4 'inglyourself,7.andf ell'and Donaldson 'concerning paralleling -d [5- ~ B ~ m
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(Do ybu recall that conversation? g .(7 : l Not at all. [8J MR.. BUNTING:' ,J 9 ' INVESTIGATOR': Does that. conversation',- that. w "- s 10 - -statement make.any-senseito you at;all? ~
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- spare thermal' couple and a thernial couple-i(inau'dible),n tie +'
^ (19 all the red' wires together and allLthe yellow wires.together, .c l' J20i
- basically:Lyou have ' a; parallel..
(inaudible)- You~get a J', '21 fElse reading,Ja low reading. ~ INVESTIGATOR:.Can yos imagine, or do'you know / e .22 123 J 'sp,ecifically).whether or not you ~(inaudible) ~O . *'~F2'f M.R. ! BUNTING : 1 know - yes, we - (inaudible) '
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- is red, this; wire is red, this is-yellow and
~ 6L -yellow. And here is your console' coming in with _ th'e 7-thermal couple 7 (inaudible), and one of these is red and' 4 e'- -- one would be-yellow. 8 ~ w g1 And the only way I can'think of~to. parallel is. 10 to -- INVESTIGATOR: Okay. What is the normal configu-- . it. 12 ration? MR. BUNTING: Well, okay. -Yellow to yellow. .f"Y 13 L!: ' Red to red. And-then:this.:is just sitting'there waiting to 4 u! _ .be used if something goes: wrong with this. 15 16 IINESTIGATOR: Okay. -Then'these -- the wire;- 17- - off of these thermal couples the'n'go up under your instal- "18" lation_ or-'. blanket, right? '19 MR. BUNTING: Right. , 20 '. INVESTIGATOR': 'And they are'-- what we saw-today, r v 21 ' sthey..would just be available in the event: you lose one or-e
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'24 -were/boththoo'ked;upiat;the_ weld. And off that c'able'we have -(v) ' 25 two - thermal couples: going, out* to the weld. m ~~ f f 4 = '1 ) p M / b i .; q-Y w:
'b 21 1 INVESTIGATOR: Right. 2 MR. BUNTING: So'we just hook them.both up 3 (inaudible) and then if we have any problems we.can swap 4 it behind the machine instead of working on the (inaudible) welds. 6 INVESTIGATOR: Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. So, 7 .then -- 8 INVESTIGATOR: Mike did this.for us. 9 INVESTIGATOR: Yeah. Right. This wire runs all-10 the way, (inaudible) t.o the back of the console. 11 MR. BUNTING: Right. 12 INVESTIGATOR: All right. So it would be red to 13. red, yellow to yellow. And how would you do.it in'the 14 event (inaudible) 15 MR. BUNTING: Thin would be a parallel situation. 16 That and like that. There is just.no'a3 vantage'to doing 17 that. 18 INVESTIGATOR: Why do you think you get a lower 19 reading by doing that? .m-MR.,BUMTING: Well, because -- well, to begin 21 with you cari't get a higher reading. Your best reading 22 would be ;off {the (inau'dible) coup 15:( If you are (inaudible) 23 af thermal '. coup.Jec that was bad or a hermal couple that was 24 good, you would get an average somewhere in between. 25- $ INVESTIGATOR: Assuming they are all goo
- now,
F h' 22 1 would an electrician -- 2 MR. BUNTING: Assume the'y are all-good -- 3 INVESTIGATOR: puts it in -- 4 MR. BUNTING: That vould just be a mistake. It '5 would be too low. 6 INVESTIGATOR: It might be-(inaudible), his 7 question: Why.would it be too low? 8 MR. BUNTING: I don' t know. 9 INVESTIGATOR: In a situation like this, if you 10 did run it low I assume that would mean the register would-11 bc. low, the reading would be low. -12 MR. BUNTING: There is something I would like to 13 ask. 14 INVESTIGATOR: The heat would be, in fact 15 (inaudible) 16 MR. BUNTING: (inaudible) Donaldson (inaudible) 17 those thermal couples are creating a -- 18 INVESTIGATOR: (inaudible) 19 MR. BUNTING: No. They create a potential. El I ' INVESTIGATOR: Well, I - yeah. They are 1 21 generating a,(inaudible) 22 MR.' BUNTING: What~you actually have, if you 23 (inaudible) you could'go, higher. ~ 24 INVESTIGATOR: I'm not sure about that, but 25 picture two dry cells on a flashlight battery, one is fully
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- an average'. reading,:something~close-to an-average.
7 iso that's why I'm sure what you have there is. ~ w s nr m l.' 8 '. they.weren't producing-identical millivolts.- Oneiwould be-
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And-that would be drawing a ;< -- -110 : dow'n.(inat dible) so,you would get.a lowerireading.- l-11 'It.:might not'be a' lot lower but it would-be 5: i 12-something: lower. _ f"It ' 13 - MR. 3UNTING: It would still probably be; s?-Q [ [14 : 0,within _ (inaddible') i s15; INVESTIGATOR: If.they are good thermal couples {16 : they are probably'-- r
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They are so close- ~ 't INVESTIGATOR: ~ , a 18 ? -(inaudible) j INVESTIGATOR: (inaudil$le) it wouldn't make'any .19 - .~ m. 'dif fere.nc.e^. ,'..s s ; 1 - 20 > - ~ 1 .w SINVESTIGATOR: And.then the only other'-- if~ 21 .g. ( '- .f,,. ; ; ?, g. .i n., np+ 1 22 - Y.ou are in;;a.'situaliion likd1th!T, (inaudible) electrician, 's Ag(. ; r-r*- . 23,.. if' you loseVone - then Nhe'i t e s? ' jb. - 52( MR.. BUNTING: Then fau-wire it just like here. /iN% ' "l 3 ~
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~ py .g s_/ j 2 ' a - normalT the'rmal coupl6. '- g-3; i-INVESTIGATOR: 1Right. So, basically;you can- 'f i, ~ 14' Jhave afvery small differentiation. depending on (inaudible): _ :5 'Well,7asfa' general rule, doLyou hard'wirei-to' ~ R-s6- . the : rear of: the console, the pipefittier Jchanges (inaudible) ' ' ' ~ .7; , coupler. ort does tthe elec tirician? ? ~ MR.' BUNTING: :The electrician does%thatt. '8 x l g - ! (inaudible') 'So. basically.(inaudible)- INVESTIGATOR:' 10 '
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'NR.. BUNTING:. Yeah. ~. -i + ~, M _,12 ! INVESTIGATOR:- The electrician is required t'o do ~ m v ~ Ty 13 ( ' i ti. 7 This :would only save you fooling-~ around 'under the -- 1lLs. ~ ' ~ ' 14 ; ~ if-. you' had ' to,- if you. lost both of them -(inaudi le) j^ t .15 { MR.(BUNTING: Generally, ' we' would do that. : ' You - ( Jgp Dis) J would.' choose '. thel thermalicouple (inaudible) ~ 117 - ' ; INVESTIGATOR: What you are saying is th'ere:is. P 4 (181 -no app'arent value to parallel thermal couplings? 7 19. - MR. BUNTING: No. t fr9 p - 7 we .-{. p, pg., 'And you don't recall.anyfconversa - - 20' '*'INVESTIGATORf n , y-
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tions, between !--- again, Gto ; reiterate, between yourselffand. r. p,
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1 221 ~Donaldson and Bell which was overheard by-Mr. Wright concern-37, . g ,p ,p 1+; p i + ~ t, 23 ing;whether or not you were~ attempting to parallel ~ two - i.. 24 ? , thermal couples? ,f4 g
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(inaudible). Jack ~made reference to - I4-someone'whofatlone time'was a..(inaudible) s o - o n'.- .There was g' "'5, [ conversation l'ike thAt going, on. i 6-INVESTIGATOR: How often?' [ 1,7 - MR. BUNTING: 'I heard it'once.< y =4
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What.w'as the-purpose of the con-- l ^ s -: 9: - versatio~n? - t + ,T. ' 10f IMR. BUNTING: It-had'to'do with something.'t a 3-M- l 11 r(iiiaudiblh) I'think. ~
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- INVESTIGATOR: -Who was the~. conversation ~between?
f(N [13[ JYou said you overhear'di- - L'wP 14-MR.. BUNTING: Jack - ' J 15~ ' INVESTIGATOR: " Jack - and Steve? O.. ~ 16 ~ MR. BUNTING: EProbably myself, having coffee-or somethingclike that'.. Probably Charlie fsas around,afor?all~ 17 L< + 18 I know. But that'was-with Steve'and J_ack,. knowledgeable. .19 .l'about this situatiica, (so they.had the cohvbrsation.' ~ 'a
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p ,~ v .~ s 26' 4 1, misunderstood'what you said. Was.there:a conversationz }3_
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conc.erning Nhat questions ^ (f 12 ~ 3 t(inaudible) 1 ~ MR. BUNTING: No. 'i 43 J Were there any conversations in c. i5? INVESTIGATOR:' ~~ .61
- gistXas ! to how to beat-.'the equipment, the. machine,'the'
'7.- wiring or.. anything. elso :(inaudible).. thati you can ' recall? J8 MR.$ BUNTING: 'I don't.k'now about that. 'I-know= =that'TITasked) Jack.why-he was doing the short-out test.-
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. 10 (inaudible)-backJofLthe console. I didn't know why-he was T ' 11 _doing2that. .He 'saidt he._ needed to be sure that each -- 12 every'. thermal couple didn't; control another: thermal couple'. 'I-do..', t know. whether he said (inaudible) we had eight ~ E(]. 131 n Ny thermalccouples going and he would s'hort one~out on the- ~14. -.15 machine. If ' there was something ' wrong going. on, then - two I m. r. 16 ; ofithem lead'the pack on'the chart. And he would make sure just one-did. And he-17 p. 18' 'would go through the~ thermal couple that way. s c e; Periodically, then, he would run h " ;I,,VESTIGATOR! 19 ~ l'i't., N [ W 20 '.thistcheck on -(inaudible).
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- (inaudible) this'is.about Unit 2.
( - gg-7,,,g,g,,. 22 (inaudi$1b)tnuclearfon,every -- INVESTIGATOR: Up.to the time when Charlie 23 LI Wright left, did he work both on Unit.l.and 2? 24 .p MR. BUNTING: Yes. d ' 25 + ,.s $f f W.E. A.
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- Charlie Wright,lwhat is your~overall evaluation.of~his.
.5' ' men'tal-~ (inaudible) p_~ -6 MR;; BUNTING: : (inaudible) - ~' 7 " i NVESTIGATOR:l'(inaudible)'his' ability'to under-I ~ '8., stand conversations.as to1(inaudible) 7 +g' MR;.~ BUNTING: After I had-been here for two years', y r lo, ofzcourse,.I:was completely familiar with what the' mach'ine- ~ i 11 was1 doing,.,:I.was involved with problems of -- all-sorts of< ^ ~ 12 - problems,. to keep ' the maximum hour- (inaudible); of the []^ "13l -machine. 4 -m 14 (Charlie had no idea-what.went.on.other th'an-15 ' -in front'3of'that. screen. You couldn't even.talkLto-him 4 w-J l16 t 'about it. He liked to run eight point's, or eight thermal ~ T 17 : couples,Eand if,there was'any more.than that'he was. mad and ~ 18, grumpy, irritable, hollering and screaming'back'and forth- .; 3 ; s 3 hadD wdive diodes, ten.-diodes. And he-had 19
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{ 14, 'all day-and the machine probably ;(inaudible) itself'once z. ' 15 ' you-i(inaudible)l 16 MR. BUNTING:.That's right. I' don't'know. .I K ..j y 17 ' just.think it's something that Charlie and Steve had. <q,, ~ INVESTIGATOR: Any reason for the apparent ~ o 18 _,.g m- -> ~. " Ss U ?' --20J -}* } MR.' BUNTING: .Nci. I never could figure it out.
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l.Helwas Nere about six: months.. And then he went?back and- ~ 4 ' Steve" returned. And~after that'it (inaudible) u ~ 15E '. INVESTIGATOR':- When did Steve return?- + 9:. t MR.. BUNTING:f I).still{ can' t -- the time '(inaudible)- [6[ + =
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i ll ' INVESTIGATOR: January? ..g 12 ; .MR. BUNTING: -No, it'was Dec -- it was=1980. f9 I,.,}'] INVESTIGATOR: So, basically from December:of 13 - W 114 !1980 tol April of~1981, did Charlie Wright make many {15 .. comments relativeito being unhappy with the performance of ~ - 16 : 'ctheJequipment and. console? F) . ' 17L .. MR. BUNTING :, Oh,.yes. r? 18 - '~~ (INVESTIGATOR:.Such as?. i i> J.,.1 L i.
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p r s' l' 30 1 - any better, Charlie? And he said: Yeah, that's a lot ,2 ' better. 3 He was just creating work for everyone. 4 INVESTIGATOR: In a situation like that, don't 5/ you look at the chart before you go -- 7 6 MR. BUNTING: Oh, yes. Sure. I looked at the i 7 chart. INVESTIGATOR: Well, can't you' tell whether or 8 S not you lost one? 9 10 MR. BUNTING: It.wasn't lost or I would have 11 (inaudible) 12 INVESTIG ATOR: No. That's what I'm saying. Why' 13 would you give Charlie -- the inference _ that you are not - . 14 going to look at it and then turn around in a situation 15 like that and (inaudible) 16 MR. BUNTING: Because he had'-- like I said, he 17 would never get into the field and see actually what was 18 (inaudibl'e') 1 of f. :And at'this time when he was complaining .so much,,you have a weld like here and a weld like here. 19 20 And'this'one~would'be~ going too fast, so he would turn it 21 off. No'rmally it would go straight up or drop off, you know. 22 But it (inaudible) still climb a little bit. That's because 23 right here you are heating also. The runoff would come down 24 there. And he just couldn't grasp it. That, you know, there 25 could be other sources of heat rather than one (inaudible)
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~12; INVESTIGATOR:- Now, when you expressed "my- - 3y ~ 13~ ' full satisfa'ction with Tiny Tim's ability 'as 'anl electrician", . j-2 .s,I know.:that so,me,electr.icia,ns are goo'd andE(inaudible) and: s .r 14 v - v f, s s ~ 3 r e, a 1-m, a4.,;- t - ? 15 some are-good,;and grachfbl stallers. - Was-that perhaps=.the. e j .1 ] W< ( ^ i a. 16 1 difference (in' audible).' '3 l, ~: - a >.g, t M R_. BUNT.ING:..,,,He never worked anywhere but pow'er 17 .y. i >
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$22 He was just more or less a follower. (inaudible) s.- .h 23 ' INVESTIGATOR: Are'you aware of any. situations in which Charlie; Wright apparently was in conflict with the 24; 4 ).: 26 . manner in which maintaining the charts that were inspected I 4 I
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Wouldlyou ask tha't again? ~ 23 INVESTIGATOR: s L- ' Yeah...Do'you recall any situations s where. - :it -w'a' ;duringja visit by the 0ANI, he: madec some jf _. 4 - s fcomments to Charlie that Charlie wasn't: performing'~the~way. J51 l6 11Esh'ould, have been. Do-you' recall any.ANI references-to. l p 7 that?: y u. i 8-MR.GBUNTING: Not by;name. i s s J Y-INVESTIGATOR: lIs.he'still'around:here on the ~ 9 f" '10 site?? 2 ~ MR. BUNTING: (inaudible). Either.l or 2,'I=think. t ill He,i~s still around'here. l 12 ~ s INVESTIGATOR: If, Charlie;had'a problem -- not n- , ' 13 r w/' 14 nec,essarily, a probl,em -- he wasn't necessarily the brightest Q La L ' A s : J < I', e.;. = 15.- ' individual in the world, who established the --'was aware -y 3 - .r n z,., y. o .1 116 H.of(she parameters?j.D,1d he. meet the (inaudible) TIT (inaudib1 a): 17 rWasihe able to,do that.and perform? .It. fee t,, + MR. BUNTING: xSure. 18, INVESTIGATOR: Basically very, simple. -.(inaudible) ig and as long as the print-out'was;in the parameters establish ~e l -20 21-he could' understand -- . 22 ' MR. BUNTING: Plus everything was repetitious. 23 INVESTIGATOR: What'was his overall -- (inaudible) 24 .an estimate of his 'overall ef ficiency in performing his job? 'M' 25 MR. BUNTING: - Very careful. 6- ' M.i. L
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4- 5- 'MR., BUNTING: Sam (inaudible)'. r -4,. 3 Is he still around? -6= ' INVESTIGATOR:- .s 17. -MR.f BUNTING :.. (inaudible)- What.was h's position? i 8- ' INVESTIGATOR: 9l ' MR. BUNTING: Ile was (inaudible) coordinator in -10 ' ' Unit 2. ~ INVESTIGATOR: - Do.you.know whether or not-Charlie 11 - 12 ever' discussed with:him any. problem! areas that Charlie 7~'i - 13 - .obstensibly became involved in-- (inaudible) ? lw! ' .. ~,. _ l '4 - t ;i . u - I M.BUNTINGi No, I don't.know. I know of M 14 .' Sam'se attitude towards Charlie. Ile told Steve-that he - -15 L + )C ,,tf i / 63-g s s y 16' 'shbuld have got ' rid 'of h'ini' a long time before. !!e complained eoften'dboub'kebpibhhim, the amount of time Charlie J17 qu '1F 18 - spent. y-ig - INVESTIGATOR: We have heard some comments re ' y lative'to - it is' theoretically possible to wire a ,20 i 21 ' machine wherein you wouldn't necessarily have to have 4'
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