ML18176A401
| ML18176A401 | |
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| Site: | Turkey Point  |
| Issue date: | 07/24/2018 |
| From: | Division of Materials and License Renewal, NRC/NRR/DMLR/MRPB |
| To: | Florida Power & Light Co |
| Lois M. James, 301-415-3306 | |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Public Scoping Meeting for the Environmental Review of the Subsequent License Renewal Application for Turkey Point Nuclear Plants Units 3 and 4 - Session 2 Docket Number:
(n/a)
Location:
Homestead, Florida Date:
Thursday, May 31, 2018 Work Order No.:
NRC-3751 Pages 1-62 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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PUBLIC MEETING
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PUBLIC SCOPING MEETING FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OF THE SUBSEQUENT LICENSE RENEWAL APPLICATION FOR TURKEY POINT NUCLEAR PLANTS UNITS 3 AND 4
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- THURSDAY, MAY 31, 2018
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The meeting was convened in City of Homestead City Hall, 100 Civic Court, Homestead, Florida 33030, at 5:00 p.m., William Burton, NRC, facilitating.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 NRC STAFF PRESENT:
WILLIAM BURTON, NRR/DMLR/MRPB LOIS JAMES, NRR/DMLR/MRPB MICHELLE MOSER, NRR/DMLR/MENB GEORGE WILSON, NRR/DMLR SCOTT BURNELL, OPA EDWIN LEA, Region II ARACELI BILLOCH-COLON, NRR/DMLR KEVIN FOLK, NRR/DMLR, MENB DARRELL ADAMS, OCA BEN BEASLEY, NRR/DMLR/MENB DANIEL ORR, R-II/DRP/RPB3/TPRO
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 CONTENTS Introduction.......................................4 Safety Review......................................8 Environmental Review..............................12 Public Comment....................................18 Adjourn...........................................62
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 P R O C E E D I N G S 1
(5:02 p.m.)
2 MR. BURTON: Good evening, everybody.
3 Appreciate you coming out. Just real quick, how many 4
people are here that were here at the earlier session?
5 Oh, gee. Okay. I think that's probably 6
half or maybe even a little more. Okay. So you guys 7
kind of know the drill. My name's Butch Burton. I'm 8
from the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, NRC. And 9
I work in our Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation.
10 And I want to welcome all of you to the 11 second public meeting for the Subsequent License 12 Renewal Application for Turkey Point Nuclear Units 3 13 and 4, submitted by Florida Power & Electric.
14 I'm a project manager for the NRC Staff's 15 Environmental Review, but today I'll be serving as 16 your facilitator. My role as facilitator is to 17 ensure that today's meeting is informative, 18 productive and stays on time.
19 Before we get started, I'd like to a few 20 minutes to go over some logistics. First of all, no 21 food, beverages or smoking in the room. If you have 22 anything that rings, beeps, buzzes, talks back to 23 you, if you could turn it off or mute it, that would 24 be good.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 For those of you who don't know how to 1
get to the restroom, the men's room is on this side, 2
as you come out those doors. Ladies' room is on this 3
side, as you come out those doors.
4 If, for some reason, we're asked to 5
evacuate the building, we'll ask you to follow the 6
instructions and some of the security personnel here.
7 We'll muster outside and make sure that we can account 8
for everyone.
9 Today's meeting is a Category 3 meeting.
10 For those of you who are not familiar with the NRC's 11 meeting categories, a Category 3 meeting is typically 12 held with representatives of non-governmental 13 organizations, private citizens or interested parties 14 or business or industry to fully engage them in 15 discussion.
16 These meetings provide an opportunity for 17 the NRC and the public to work directly together to 18 make sure that the issues and concerns are understood 19 and considered by the NRC.
20 The objective is to provide a range of 21 views, information, concerns and suggestions with 22 regard to regulatory issues. Now today's meeting 23 will be transcribed. So when you're speaking, if you 24 can either come up to the podium or we can bring you 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 one of the hand-held mics, if you provide your name 1
and affiliation and then please speak.
2 Now we do have meeting feedback forms 3
available, so after today's meeting, we'd like for 4
you to take a few minutes to fill out the form and 5
return it to us, or you can provide feedback directly 6
through, to the NRC, to our website. And so you can 7
provide it electronically. We do take your feedback 8
very seriously. We use the feedback to help improve 9
future meetings.
10 Now for those of you who have taken a 11 look at it the agenda, you say, you know, we have a 12 lot to talk about today. We are going to try to stay 13 on schedule. We're going to try and do that a little 14 better than we did first session.
15 We want to make sure we hear from 16 everyone, and we want to make sure that everybody 17 gets sufficient time to make their comments. But we 18 do ask that, because time is limited, we're going to 19 ask you to be very concise with your comments and, 20 hopefully, everybody will get an equal shot to share 21 what they want to share with us.
22 If anyone is using recording devices, 23 that's fine. We're perfectly okay with that. But 24 we would like to make sure that everyone else knows 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 who's recording and who's not. So one of the -- it's 1
permitted. If anyone is going to be recording the 2
meeting, if you could kind of raise your hand and let 3
us know.
4 (Off-microphone comment) 5 MR. BURTON: I'm glad you brought that 6
up because after the first --
7 PARTICIPANT: Could you repeat the 8
question? Repeat the question on the microphone.
9 MR. BURTON: One of the -- some of the 10 feedback that we got from the first session was that 11 some people couldn't hear very well and our 12 transcriber was one of those people. So we do want 13 folks, when they do come up to speak, to speak loudly 14 and make that sure everyone in the room can hear you 15 and the transcriber can pick up. So, thank you. I 16 appreciate that.
17 Any other questions? Okay. We have a 18 number of NRC staff here today, and they're here to 19 address any questions you may have on our processes.
20 But I do want to point our presenters for today. Our 21 first speaker's going to be Ms. Lois James, who heard 22 from a little bit, just a minute ago. She will 23 provide an overview of the NRC staff's Safety Review 24 process.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 After her will be Ms. Michelle Moser, 1
standing right next to her. Michelle will provide 2
an overview of the staff's environmental review. And 3
finally, to close out the meeting, we'll have Mr.
4 George Wilson, our director of the Division of 5
Materials and License renewal in NRR.
6 So I think we'll go on and get started 7
with Lois.
8 MS. JAMES: Thank you, Butch. I don't 9
want to have problems with anybody hearing me. Let 10 me know if you can't hear.
11 Good evening. My name is Lois James.
12 I'm the Safety Project Manager for the Turkey Point 13 Subsequent License Renewal. Our goals today are two-14 fold. First, to provide you with an overview of the 15 subsequent license renewal process, both safety and 16 environmental. And then, two, to get your input as 17 to what environmental issues that NRC should consider 18 in our review. Next slide, please.
19 The agenda for today's meeting begins 20 with the staff providing an overview that I just spoke 21 about. After the NRC's presentation, attendees can 22 ask questions about the presentation and the process.
23 In order to match my time to the public 24 to comment on and try to provide their comments for 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the environmental
- review, we'll only address 1
questions about the process itself. The final part 2
of the meeting is the most important. You provide 3
your thoughts and comments on what should be included 4
in the NRC environmental review. Next slide, please.
5 The license rule review proceeds in 6
parallel reviews, a safety review and an environment 7
review. Across the top of the slide is the 8
environmental review, and Michelle Moser will discuss 9
this in a little bit.
10 Along the bottom is the safety review.
11 The safety review has two components, the staff safety 12 review and then the review by the advisory committee 13 on reactor safeguards.
14 The dotted lines in the middle of the 15 flow chart highlighted the opportunity for a hearing 16 in accordance with the Atomic Energy Act. The lines 17 blocked at the far right is the NRC decision on 18 whether to renew the operating licenses. As you can 19 see, this is based on several factors. Next slide, 20 please.
21 The principles in license renewal safety 22 review have not changed since the initial subsequent 23 initial license renewal. And they are the regulatory 24 process provides adequate insurance the plant's 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 current licensing basis will maintain an acceptable 1
level of safety.
2 Number
- two, each plant's current 3
licensing basis is required to be maintained during 4
the renewal term in the same manner and to the same 5
extent as during the initial licensing term.
6 The NRC ensures the adequate protection 7
of public health and safety and the environment 8
through our regulatory process. This chart shows the 9
different aspects of the regulatory process. The 10 blue arrows and gray boxes show the current and 11 continued regulatory processes.
12 The red block and arrow show the aging 13 management activities which were added by the initial 14 license renewal. As part of the subsequent license 15 renewal
- review, the staff will review the 16 effectiveness of the applicant's aging management 17 activities.
18 Okay, the next slide, actually, I think 19 the previous slide. One slide fell out of order.
20 Yes, the safety review. The focus of the safety 21 review is to identify the aging effects that could 22 impair the ability of systems, structures and 23 components within the scope of the license renewal to 24 perform their intended functions and then to 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 demonstrate that these aging effects will be 1
adequately managed throughout the period of extended 2
operation.
3 This focus has not changed from initial 4
license renewal. Since that location contained 5
proprietary information, the NRC conducted a
6 proprietary review and issued its proprietary 7
determination on that information on April 3rd.
8 In order to be more effective and 9
efficient with time and resources, the NRC has divided 10 its review into sections. The first part is the 11 operating experience audit which was conducted May 12 7th through the 18th. This audit review, the 13 applicant's operating experience information and 14 corrective action system for data applicable to aging 15 related issues.
The second section of the 16 review is the in-office review and the in-office audit 17 where the staff will review documents and references 18 in the application in more detail.
19 Finally, the NRC will conduct an onsite 20 audit of the plant facility and additional documents, 21 as needed. The staff would like to make its review 22 in a Safety Evaluation Report, or SER. In the past 23 the staff has issued safety evaluation reports with 24 open items. For subsequent license renewal, our goal 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 is to issue the safety evaluation report once with no 1
open items.
2 And that conclude the discussion on the 3
safety review. And I will hand it over to Michelle.
4 ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW 5
MS. MOSER: Thanks, Lois. Good evening.
6 My name is Michelle Moser, and I'm a biologist working 7
on the Turkey Point environmental review.
8 The environmental review is conducted in 9
accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act 10 of 1969, commonly referred to as NEPA. NEPA requires 11 federal agencies to follow a systematic approach in 12 evaluating potential impacts from the proposed action 13 and alternatives -- thank you -- the proposed action.
14 Can everyone hear now? All right.
15 Fellow participation is an important 16 aspect of the NEPA process. Environmental review 17 bio-stems on the above slide are highlighted green.
18 That included public participation.
19 The environmental review begins with a 20 scoping process which includes today's public scoping 21 meeting. Scoping is a process by which the NRC staff 22 identifies specific impacts and significant issues to 23 be considered in the environmental impact statement.
24 The NRC staff will consider all of the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 scoping comments presented here today as well as in 1
writing within the draft's environmental impact 2
statements. The staff will also conduct an 3
independent assessment looking at new and significant 4
information including an environmental site project.
5 The NRC staff will publish its findings 6
within a draft environmental impact statement that 7
will be issued for public comments. That public 8
comment will be the second opportunity for you and 9
other members of the public to participate in the 10 environmental review process.
11 Again, the NRC staff will consider all 12 comments received in preparing and updating the final 13 environmental impact statements.
14 I'd like to take a few minutes to discuss 15 what we mean by scoping and your role in this process.
16 The NRC staff uses scoping to determine the range of 17 issues and alternatives to be considered in an 18 environmental impact statement.
19 In
- addition, scoping comments help 20 identify significant issues that will be analyzed in 21 greater detail. Scoping is also intended to ensure 22 that concerns are identified early and properly 23 evaluated throughout the review.
24 You are an important part of the scoping 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 process. Because you are familiar with your 1
community, your comments will help to facilitate a 2
thorough review. You can assist this process by 3
telling us, for example, what aspects of your local 4
community we should focus on, what local 5
environmental, social and economic issues the NRC 6
should examine during our review and what other major 7
projects are in progress or planned in the area.
8 The NRC issues the following documents in 9
association with the environmental scoping process.
10 The NRC initially issues a Notice of Intent to prepare 11 the environmental impact statement and to inform the 12 public about the scoping process.
13 The notice identifies the federal action, 14 the comment period and the methods by which comments 15 can be provided. We have copies of the notice at 16 today's meeting at the front table by the door.
17 The NRC also issues scoping letters to 18 federal, state and local agencies as well as tribal 19 nations in press releases and newspaper 20 advertisements to advance public meetings and the 21 scoping process.
22 At the conclusion of the scoping process, 23 the NRC will prepare and issue an environmental 24 scoping summary report that describes comments 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 received during the scoping period.
1 Within the environmental impact 2
statement, the NRC evaluates the potential impacts to 3
a broad range of environmental resource areas 4
including human health, air quality, wetlands and 5
threatened and endangered species.
6 The NRC conducts this review by building 7
upon decades of previous experience analyzing 8
environmental impacts for power plant operations. We 9
will focus our review on site-specific impacts by 10 reviewing the best available current information.
11 In conducting our environmental review, 12 we will be coordinating with other federal, state and 13 local officials as well as tribal leaders. This 14 coordination helps to ensure that local resource 15 specialists are involved in the review.
16 Some of the agencies we are coordinating 17 with include the U.S. National Park Service, the U.S.
18 Fish & Wildlife Service, the U.S. Environmental 19 Protection Agency and Miami-Dade County.
20 Ultimately, the purpose of the 21 environmental review is to determine whether or not 22 the environmental impacts of license renewal could be 23 so great that reserving the action of license renewal 24 for decision makers would become unreasonable.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 The environmental impact statement will 1
be considered in conjunction with the NRC staff's 2
safety related reviews in recommending to the 3
commission whether to renew the Turkey Point 4
operating license.
In summary, these are the 5
factors that will be considered by the commission in 6
deciding whether to renew the Turkey Point licenses.
7 It is the goal of the NRC staff to complete its 8
license renewal review and reach a decision on 9
renewing the operating license in 18 months for the 10 time the application is accepted. This schedule can 11 be extending to accommodate a hearing, if granted.
12 This slide shows important milestones for 13 the safety and environmental review process. It is 14 important to note that these dates are tentative.
15 And I'd also like to note that the safety evaluation 16 report will be a publicly available document.
17 And you are welcome to attend the 18 Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, or ACRS, 19 meetings which are open to the public and will be 20 held at the NRC Headquarters outside of Washington, 21 D.C.
22 The citing of information on how to 23 submit comments after the meeting concludes. Again, 24 we will treat comments spoken during the meeting the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 same as written comments received after the meeting.
1 Comments will be accepted through June 21st, and they 2
can be submitted by mail or through regulations.gov.
3 Lastly, this slide shows the website 4
where you can find additional information regarding 5
the Turkey Point review including FPL's application.
6 I've also listed the contact information for the two 7
project managers that are here today, Butch and Lois.
8 This concludes the staff's formal 9
presentation, and I will now turn it back over to 10 Butch.
11 MR. BURTON: All right, thank you, Lois.
12 Thank you, Michelle. What we want to do now is take 13 a few minutes to open it up to folks if anyone has 14 any questions or comments of anything that they just 15 saw in the presentation about our process, how we 16 conduct the safety and environmental review. Anyone 17 have any questions or thought on that?
18 Okay, hearing nothing, I think we'll go 19 right into what we're all really here for, which is 20 to give you an opportunity to provide your comments 21 on the environmental issues for the staff's review.
22 Now couple of things. Those of you who 23 want to speak, have filled out yellow cards indicating 24 that you do have comments. Some people, on their 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 yellow card, marked that they were at the prior 1
session and this session. If you marked both, I took 2
that to mean that you wanted to speak at both. So 3
if you don't, when I call your name, just let me know 4
and then we can -- I can go on ahead and just skip 5
you and we can move on.
6 If there's anyone who didn't somehow fill 7
out one of the yellow cards but would like to speak, 8
please let me know and we'll get you a card and you 9
can fill it out.
10 One thing from the earlier session, we do 11 really want to try to stick to the allotted time.
12 Because what we found is that some folks took longer 13 than the allotted time and we tried to be 14 understanding about that, but then some of the folks, 15 later on, kind of got short-changed in their time.
16 So we don't want to do that this time, if we can avoid 17 it.
18 So what we're going to do is, I'm going 19 to call the first three speakers names so the folks 20 know when they're on deck. And as we go through, 21 I'll just keep doing that. So let's start with 22 Albert Gomez, followed by Zach Cosner and then Matt 23 Schwartz.
24 MR. GOMEZ: Thank you for accommodating.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Albert Gomez. I'm a resident. I'm actually going 1
to a planning meeting for Biscayne Bay Marine Health 2
Summit, which I'm on the steering committee of, 3
critical issue.
4 One thing that I would ask, based on what 5
your intake was from the morning session, is, my 6
understanding is, when the upgrade occurred during 7
the last operation, they did have to go through an 8
emergency authorization request to keep the facility 9
operating at higher temperatures, above the standard 10 operating temperature.
11 And if they are going to operate at that, 12 from that upgrading, there was a Delta on a whole 13 slew of metrics. That Delta is measured. It all 14 gets listed. And if there was that, it's, that is 15 the constant.
16 If they are going to reauthorize it and 17 go to immediate upgrade, will those Deltas be taken 18 into account, into the AIS as a standard operating 19 reality that we're going to have to go to another 20 emergency authorization, another function of 21 upgrading. And I'm wondering if that's part of 22 what's being considered as a function of the AIS that 23 would be pretty or --
24 And then I want to get a little deeper on 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the body, the Process for Ongoing Assessment of 1
Natural Hazard Information. That is required. That 2
is part of the requirement for this type of reactor 3
now. And it is alluded to both on, I feel did allude 4
to it on both their -- and it was referenced on the 5
approval notice that the NRC released for their 67.
6 And I
believe it's in, referenced 7
lightly, on their renewal application. But I'm going 8
to circle that. I'd like to see if that's, if that 9
is referenced and, if so, part of that body means 10 that they have, they ensure us that the staff 11 proactively and routinely aggregates SS new natural 12 hazard information.
13 That new natural hazard information was 14 present as standards for the sea level rise 15 projection. So if -- I want to make it not so much 16 about the sea level rise projections. It's more over 17 about those have stated common knowledge and standard 18 through the County, through the compact, through 19 various municipalities.
20 And it was not applied. Instead, POANHI, 21 its old prevention was applied. And I'm wondering 22 why, if the, one, it very clearly states that it 23 ensures that the staff brought the matter to the NRC.
24 And this is new natural hazard information. So 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 they're going to old information versus new 1
information, so I'd like to know that.
2 Then also, all, most mayors, Mayor 3
Gimenez, Mayor Suarez, Dan Gelber -- Mayor Gelber, 4
three that, off the top of my head, have all 5
referenced rain bombs as a new event that occurs down 6
here which has much higher output of rain in a very 7
centralized location. I don't think that natural 8
hazard was talked about or addressed in their 9
reauthorization. It's something that they should 10 consider.
11 And then, in closing, the last statement 12 I would say is that, as another function of the POANHI 13 related that our compounded projections of king tide 14 and maximum storm surge during hurricane-related 15 events, which happens to coincide in October, applied 16 to the scope of the new AIS. I appreciate your time.
17 Thank you.
18 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Albert. For the 19 speakers, just so you know, when you have one minute 20 left, I'll be standing back here. I'm going to put 21 up one finger so you know. And when you're out of 22 time, I'm going to put up a fist. And at that point, 23 please just try to wind it up, and I think we can 24 keep it moving.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Okay, Zach?
1 MR. COSNER: Hello there. I had the 2
privilege to address you during the morning session, 3
so I'll keep my comments brief because I only would 4
like to complete some of the thoughts that I 5
introduced during that session.
6 When I last spoke to you, I raised my 7
final point, the specter of a Category 6 storm. As 8
you know, under a regime of climate change, storms 9
have become more and more intense in the Atlantic 10 Ocean and could potentially wreak massive havoc, 11 massive storm surge in this area, in the vicinity of 12 Turkey Point, which is compounded by the seal level 13 which FPL, right, which FPL has critically under-14 represented in their environmental report.
15 And to form a note, that during Hurricane 16 Irma, there's never been said, the water levels 17 actually over-topped the top of the berm of the canal.
18 This canal, or this berm, is barely above sea level, 19 if it is. And if the mixing of waters of Biscayne 20 Bay, waters of the L-31 E Canal, which are a water of 21 the State, is not a public -- with a base to open 22 industrial sewer is not a health hazard, I would not 23 know what is.
24 Now what is a major alternative, like 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 great alternative, that FPL can put in place?
1 Cooling towers. This is the only way to make sure 2
that this cooling system operates and managed -- does 3
not jeopardize public health and environmental 4
health.
5 A cooling tower can be constructed at 6
elevation. It cannot be overtopped easily by a storm 7
surge. There were plans when they were projecting 8
the development of Units 6 and 7 that they would 9
create a fill base, a base of fill to place to the 10 cooling tower on top of.
11 That would basically provide an effective 12 means of shielding the plant from, and the cooling 13 system, from the effects of climate change. I would 14 urge you to try and compel FPL to construct this very 15 common sense safety mechanism. Thank you.
16 MR. BURTON: All right. Thank you, Zach.
17 Next we'll have Matt Schwartz, followed by Erik 18 Gonzales and then Kerry Black.
19 Well, all right, I guess we have too many 20 here. Erik Gonzales, Kerry Black and then we'll have 21 Jennifer Allman.
22 MR. GONZALES: Okay, good afternoon. My 23 name is Erik Gonzales, and I'm a Nuclear Reactor 24 Operator at Turkey Point. I've been an operator at 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Turkey Point for over ten years. I'd like to thank 1
the NRC for the opportunity, and everyone here 2
involved, for the opportunity to discuss a few things.
3 First, obviously, I'd like to encourage 4
the NRC to allow a license extension. I believe it's 5
very important. I have a few reasons here.
6 Units 3 and 4 have provided power to just 7
under a million homes for over 44 years with a hundred 8
percent carbon-free footprint, with a particular 9
focus on the health and safety of the public it serves 10 and the area in which it's located.
11 Turkey Point tries to maintain a respect 12 for the unique environment in which it resides. A 13 great temple of that would be a safe haven for the 14 American crocodile that they've provided. It's one 15 of the few environments where both crocodiles, 16 alligators -- American crocodiles and American 17 alligators are able to co-exist.
18 And since Turkey Point has taken over the 19 custody -- or not the custody, but the maintenance of 20 that area, the population has gone from somewhere in 21 the neighborhood of 40 to over 400 and they 22 essentially, give or take a fifth of the alligator, 23 of the crocodile population there, which is great.
24 I think that speaks to the health of --
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the healthy condition of the canal alone. Also, we 1
continue to improve every aspect of the plant, every 2
day, in everything we do, from the equipment that we 3
operate, the equipment we used to control the plant 4
and the personnel that we use to run the plant.
5 I,
- myself, am required to pass a
6 requalification process every five weeks to ensure 7
that I'm at my best every time I'm at the controls.
8 As a reactor operator, I've been licensed and charged 9
with safeguarding the public which I serve. And that 10 includes my family, my friends and the land I love.
11 My family and I live less than 15 miles 12 away from the plant. And we've never felt safer.
13 Often I'm asked if there's something I should be 14 concerned with or if people should be concerned with 15 anything about my job. And I can't think of a better, 16 safer place to work than Turkey Point.
17 During Hurricane Irma, I was at the 18 controls in the control room. And the consideration 19 that management took for the health and safety of the 20 public and for the personnel left me with a strong 21 impression. I was impressed with their decision 22 making process and the things that they were focused 23 on -- obviously, the safety of the public and 24 maintaining the plant.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 So, in conclusion, I'd just like to 1
implore the NRC to strongly consider renewing the 2
license. For me, it's very important, and thank you 3
again for your time.
4 MR. BURTON: All right. Thank you, Erik.
5 Next we have Kerry Black, followed by Jennifer Allman 6
and then Mark -- I hope I'm getting this right --
7 Bromkey? Apologize if I got that wrong.
8 MS. BLACK: My name is Kerry Black. I'm 9
the CEO of the South Bay Chamber of Commerce. I'd 10 like to comment for a couple of moments on the 11 statistics of the impact -- leading on the impact 12 that Turkey Point operating system on Miami-Dade 13 County region, in a particular cell, Miami-Dade 14 County.
15 Turkey Point supports Miami-Dade around 16 the clock. It preserves clean air and addresses 17 climate change. Turkey Point includes two zero-18 emissions nuclear-generating units, Unit 3 and Unit 19 4, and one high-efficiency natural gas unit, Unit 5.
20 Turkey Point operations generate an 21 estimated $1.7 billion of economic output annually, 22 employ more than 800 full-time employees and hundreds 23 of contract workers who live in nearby South Florida 24 communities.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Annual reviewing outages require more 1
than 2,500 additional personnel to visit the plant, 2
supporting local lodging, restaurants and hundreds of 3
other local businesses. Approximately 38 million of 4
FPL's annual $102 million in property taxes is due to 5
Turkey Point Units 3 and 4. FPL is the number one 6
property taxpayer in Miami-Dade County.
7 The licenses for existing Turkey Point's unit 8
expire in 2032, Unit 3, and 2033, Unit 4. The 9
application for license renewal for an additional 20 10 years is the most economic option. This renewed 11 license will bridge the gap to the middle of this 12 century as it's not feasible to construct new units 13 at this time.
14 It offers $2.8 billion in savings for FPL 15 customers over the next closest alternative, a 16 natural gas unit or plant. It does not add new gas 17 pipelines or transmission lines. It maintains 18 locational data bits to maintain system stability and 19 reliability.
20 It will retain trained and local 21 workforce and supporting businesses. FPL gives over 22
$1.1 million annually to the Miami-Dade civic, 23 educational organizations and general services.
24 Thank you.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MR. BURTON: Sorry. Jennifer Allman 1
followed by Mark Bromley, I apologize, and then Kent 2
Nelson.
3 MS. ALLMAN: Hello. My name is Jennifer 4
Allman. I've moved here in Homestead in 2006.
5 That's when I was hired at Turkey Point. I work in 6
Radiation Safety. I've been in this field for almost 7
20 years.
8 My personal experience with FPL has been 9
very good. We are one of the safest companies that 10 I've ever worked for. I've worked in a lot of nuclear 11 industries, not just nuclear power, and I raised my 12 family here. And I live about eight miles away from 13 the plant. And I don't have any worries.
14 We also are connected. And I say we 15 because at FPL we are a team, the employees. We have 16 a very strong belief in the environmental and 17 radiological safety. And I just wanted you to know 18 my opinion. Thank you.
19 MR.
BURTON:
Thank
- you, Jennifer.
20 Appreciate it. Okay, next is Mark -- is it Bromley?
21 Okay. Mark Bromley and Kent Nelson and Maria Parra 22
-- I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.
23 MR. BROMLEY: Hi. Thank you. My name 24 is Mark Bromley, and I too work for FPL's Radiation 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Protection Department. But before I turn there, I 1
grew up here in the Homestead area and spent my high 2
school years, in the summertime, working for the Park 3
Service, at YTC, growing a huge appreciation for the 4
resources that we do have out in our glades and out 5
in Biscayne Bay and the reefs, coral reefs. It's 6
where we were diving. It's very unique for what we 7
have here in the United States.
8 Anyway, in the 90s, I worked for the State 9
of Florida, with the Department of Health, here at 10 Radiation Control. And in that role, we interacted 11 with FPL as regulatory agent, not with license, but 12 in monitoring the environment surrounding the place.
13 Anyway, to this day, we still, the State, 14 continues to monitor the air, water, the resources in 15 the Bay and surrounding plant. We contain all the 16 bilk and, in general, keep tabs on everything that 17 goes on. And it continues, as we speak, on a day-18 to-day basis.
19 In the late 90s and to present, I would 20 come to work with Turkey Point as in a full-time role, 21 and I realized the dedication that they have shown to 22 protect that resources that I've grown to cherish and 23 the due diligence that our lending folks have 24 maintained, the crocodile population.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 And to the extent that FPL will follow, 1
doing the necessary steps to take care of the medical 2
considerations, is astounding, the resource that we 3
deliver to detect that. So we're a learning 4
organization. We constantly are adjusting and 5
learning.
6 And I found that I have confidence in the 7
company to do the right thing, and we're constantly 8
doing that. And that's about all I have. Thank you 9
very much.
10 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Mark. Okay, next 11 is Kent Nelson, followed by Monica Pria -- is that 12 right?
13 MS. PARRA: Maria Parra.
14 MR. BURTON: Parra -- okay, I'll get it.
15 I'll get it. And then Bryan Paz.
16 MR. NELSON: Good evening. My name is 17 Kent Nelson. I am the Deputy Executive Director at 18 the Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority and Chief 19 Engineer and Chief Operating Officer for the 20 Authority.
21 I am here on behalf of my own board as 22 well as, unofficially, the Board of Commissioners for 23 the Monroe County, which asked that I take the lead 24 on this issue.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Just as a general background, the FKAA or 1
the Aqueduct Authority provides water for all Monroe 2
County, just south of Dade in the Florida Keys.
3 Roughly 75,000 permanent residents as well as well 4
over a million visitors a year.
5 The reason why I'm here is that the FP&L 6
canal, our closed canal system with the CCS has been 7
in operation for over four decades. It's been 8
leaking a toxic hyper-saline pool into the Biscayne 9
Aquifer which is our sole water source for all of 10 Monroe County.
11 Our resource well field is roughly ten 12 miles, so West of here, and we've been tracking 13 movement through our well
- field, monitoring, 14 indicating that movement and that threat.
15 Currently, FP&L is under a consent order 16 to stop and our track movement. And I'd like to call 17 up to -- thanks to Mr. Lee Hefty here from Department 18 of Environmental Resource Management from Miami-Dade 19 County, who has conducted or is under consent order 20 with FP&L as well as the state to help mitigate that.
21 The concern that we have is that the 22 modeling that was used to build that consent order 23 based on data to date indicates that what FP&L is 24 proposing isn't working. And we have yet to be 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 convinced that it will work in the future.
1 So as a result, at the request of the 2
board and of Monroe County, I ask part of this renewal 3
request we would request also that if an extension is 4
granted, that a couple of conditions be attached to 5
that extension, the first one being that FP&L would 6
mitigate that existing toxic pool by a specified date.
7 And, secondly, that the FP&L decommission the canal 8
system and go to cooling towers which would help 9
prevent and/or exacerbate the existing condition of 10 the county. Thank you very much.
11 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Kent. Next we 12 have Pria Parra -- hope I -- third time's a charm --
13 followed by Brian Paz and then Bryan Stamp.
14 MS. PARRA: Good evening commissioners.
15 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is 16 Maria Parra, a resident of the city of Homestead and, 17 Miami-Dade College student.
18 Today I would like to voice my opposition 19 to the license renewal for Turkey Point and its grant.
20 For it is crucial that the license renewal application 21 adequately consider the potential impact of sea level 22 rise on the operation of the plant.
23 Sea level rise could increase in the 24 Turkey Point area. My family and I go to Biscayne 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 National Park and the Homestead Bayfront Park often.
1 A few months back, my sister actually went to the 2
beach and to the Biscayne National Park for a cleanup, 3
and the water was rising.
4 So it's evident that sea level rise is an 5
issue. I would like to request that we rise above 6
it and do the right thing for the city in the long 7
run and for our future. While doing my Associate's 8
of Arts at Miami-Dade College, I heard about the 9
tribune in the bay and the aquifer.
10 And while many residents in Homestead can 11 afford purchasing filtered water, many others cannot.
12 It would be a shame if our water continues to be 13 contaminated. We cannot drink dollar bills, money 14 or checks. But we can trust in our government to 15 place the needs of the planet and people over profit.
16 Our aquifer is precious. I learned about 17 it in middle school at the aquifer and lime rock.
18 And it's disappointing to hear the risk and threats 19 of continued contamination. Not only is this an 20 issue about water, but it's also about the animal and 21 the plant life within the park.
22 There are many risks ahead if this 23 license renewal is renewed. To renew this license 24 means to renew and continue water pollution and places 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the public health at risk, especially considering the 1
deadly mix of nuclear power plant and strong storms 2
occurring.
3 I would petition you to reject the 4
license renewal for Units 3 and 4. Thank you for the 5
opportunity to comment.
6 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Maria. Next we 7
have Bryan Paz followed by Brian Stamp and Tom 8
Southern.
9 MR. PAZ: Hi. My name is Bryan Paz. I'm 10 a resident of Miami-Dade County. I live in West 11 Kendall. Thank you for allowing me to share my 12 thoughts on the proposal to renew Turkey Point's 13 operating license for an additional 20 years.
14 FPL and the NRC, through their oversight, 15 must consider sea level rise and climate change.
16 We're all standing on Ground Zero for climate change.
17 And in the coming decades, Dade County will face 18 serious changes, more lines will be updated. Flood 19 insurance will go up and more people will likely move 20 inland, away from the oceans.
21 So FPL is asking for license renewals 22 that will go through the Year 2053. 2053, I will be 23 probably 60 -- or 60 by then. So, you know, this is 24 very much a big ask. And so I would urge the NRC to 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 do a lot of soul searching and a lot of research 1
before they approve this because this has massive 2
ramifications.
3 A lot will change from now until 2053 --
4 sea levels, average temperatures and the strength of 5
storms. And if these renewals are approved, there 6
will be numerous -- there must be numerous conditions 7
that the NRC should consider giving FPL to assure the 8
facilities are prepared for a new landscape.
9 How will FPL keep the plant safe and 10 assure onsite, highly radioactive waste is secured?
11 How will FPL prepare for rising seas and stronger 12 hurricanes? Like any of nuclear facility, Turkey 13 Point is vulnerable to a melt-down.
14 Our emergency diesel generators would 15 likely be drowned and shut down if a strong hurricane 16 dropped tons of water onto Homestead. The emergency 17 backup generators are not well elevated or well 18 insulated.
19 As we all know, during Hurricane Harvey, 20 last year, Houston, Texas had 15 trillion gallons of 21 water dropped onto its city. And before 2053, I'm 22 sure that will happen, a similar situation will happen 23 here in Miami. So, you know, the water is, indeed, 24 rising and so must the NRC's expectations for the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 infrastructure of Turkey Point.
1 So as a young person that will be living 2
in this community for decades to come, if these 3
licenses are renewed, at the very least, that most -
4
- very basic conditions should be a cooling tower to 5
protect surrounding life and water quality. These 6
cooling tower retrofits are cost-effective and 7
urgently needed.
8 And then, you know, lastly, I really 9
believe that Turkey Point must prepare itself for the 10 possibility of many trillions of gallons of water 11 being dumped onto their generators from which a tidal 12 wave or a hurricane in coming decades.
13 So lastly, in closing, there is plenty at 14 stake and lots to consider. To the sea level rise, 15 drinking water quality and the fundamental issues of 16 corporate accountability, accountability for a
17 company like FPL that has not been -- who had not 18 been -- who has been unaccountable for way too long.
19 Thank you for allowing me this time to 20 speak.
21 MR.
BURTON:
Thank
- you, Bryan.
22 Appreciate it. Okay, next we have Brian Stamp 23 followed by Tom Southern and Steven Schoedinger.
24 MR. STAMP: Good evening, everybody. I 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 also am a resident of Dade County. I'm the plant 1
manager, as well, out at Turkey Point.
2 During the earlier session as well as at 3
this evening session, you know, I did hear a lot of 4
concerns about the safety of the plant, whether it 5
was hurricanes or canals.
6 And, you know, as far the canals, I have 7
seen the improvements in the canals over the last 8
three years. I have participated in that mitigation 9
strategy. I have seen the commitment from the 10 company to ensure the long-term health of those canals 11 as well as the long-term impact being improved to the 12 Biscayne Aquifer.
13 You know, a lot of the discussion about 14 the safety of the plant from hurricanes, I was onsite 15 during Hurricane Andrew. I saw the plant operate 16 exactly as it was designed. I saw the plant recover 17 exactly as it was designed. Same thing for Hurricane 18 Irma.
19 So a lot of the concerns that everyone 20 has brought up tonight, I just don't share. And I 21 don't share them because I have seen what that plant 22 was designed for and I have seen how well it did.
23 I also want to just reiterate that some 24 of the folks that were here tonight from the plant, 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 you know, they are committed, as you can see. They 1
are very well trained, and they are as professional 2
as they come. Thank you.
3 MR. BURTON: Okay. Thank you, Brian.
4 Next we have Tom Southern -- oh, okay, Tom Southern, 5
then Steven Schoedinger and then Laura Reynolds.
6 MR. SOUTHERN: Tom Southern. Okay, I'm 7
a carpenter. I live here in Homestead, and I actually 8
did some work for one of your employees just recently 9
and he, too, told me the same thing. Hey, this 10 plant's safe. There's no -- I won't even argue that 11 point with you guys. I'm sure your employees are 12 telling the truth, as you see it anyway.
13 And so, you know, no -- I'm sure you're 14 being honest and so forth. My concern is that if you 15 guys are in the regulatories, right? Yes. If you 16 guys even read the Miami Herald, which is not -- which 17 is hardly the Miami Times or some of the -- or any 18 newspaper that could be considered some radical 19 liberal rag -- you would -- I don't even know why we 20 even have to have this meeting.
21 Florida Power & Light, the employees 22 accept it completely, has proven themselves to be a 23 criminal power company. They have lied and cheated 24 the public and misrepresented about whether the 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 radioactivity is leaking into the ground water.
1 The cooling towers should have never been 2
built. That's the only -- you guys know all this 3
stuff. It's facts. So why would you even consider 4
letting them continue to expand?
5 The fact that we are here gives at least 6
me, and I'm sure some other people here, pause to 7
think this is just a dog and a pony show, that there's 8
collusion between Florida Power & Light and maybe not 9
you guys personally, but your bosses and that you're 10 here, gather some little information, listen to us 11 talk, let us vent and you guys will get back together 12 with FP&L in the background and, at some other place, 13 and maybe you'll make some little payment or little 14 accommodations to us.
15 But the thought of even -- okay, I hope 16 that I'm wrong. In fact, I would -- I will die today 17 just so that I can roll over in my grave to find out 18 that you guys have denied them their application.
19 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Tom. Steven 20 Schoedinger --
21 MR. SCHOEDINGER: The comments I have are 22 specific to certain sections of the environmental 23 report that was submitted by FP&L that's online.
24 In the Section 243, under First in 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Activities, I don't see any mention here that talks 1
about aging elements of the plant. Because I don't 2
see any mentioning about refurbishing those so they 3
can operator as attendants for a continued period of 4
time.
5 I don't see any mention about any kind of 6
refurbishment or improvements to the cooling canals.
7 In Section B, where it again talks about the aging 8
management program, one of the four types of AMPs is 9
performance monitoring program to test the ability of 10 a structure or component to perform its intended 11 function.
12 And I'd really like the NRC to take a 13 hard look at the canals and their ability, in their 14 condition and the way they're operated, to meet the 15 needs of the increased power generation, as planned, 16 through 2053 for Units 3 and 4.
17 Page 316, Table 3.2-2 talks about the 18 land use within a six-mile radius of the plant. And 19 I agree with what they have here. I just want to 20 point out that, when you add up all the percentages, 21 that 90 percent of the area within that six-mile 22 radius of the plant, is surface water and weapons --
23 and sensitive weapons and water.
24 And again, I'd just like to ask the NRC 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 to take special review of the information and the 1
environmental report that FP&L provided in 3.6, 2
Section 3.6. And that involves 3.6, 3.6.1.45 3
Compliance History, there's surface water sources.
4 And 3.6.4, under water quality.
5 There's a lot of additional information 6
that's been provided by other interested parties in 7
the last ten years and more specific, in the last 8
five years, that are not mentioned in here. And I 9
would like them to take a really thorough look at all 10 this, all the other information by parties that don't 11 have a hidden agenda, that really are interested in 12 the environmental health and are interested in the 13 plant operating properly.
14 If you take a really, if you compare the 15 data, the information that's in here with this other 16 information that you have access to. Thank you.
17 MR. BURTON: Okay. Thank you, Steve.
18 Okay, next we'll have Laura Reynolds, Wendy Brainard 19 and then Matt Schwartz.
20 MS. REYNOLDS: Thank you. Laura Reynolds 21 representing the plants in the Clean Water Act Case 22 which is -- Southern Alliance for Clean Energy and 23 Friends of the Everglades and Tropical Audubon 24 Society.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 And I do have some continued comments 1
from earlier. And I know that the time is limited, 2
but, again, in your packets you do have a lot of this 3
information all referenced.
4 One, I just want to say for the record 5
that, because this process requires avoidance and 6
mitigation, one of the things we want you to consider 7
is requiring conditions. And we talked about a 8
condition that fixes the cooling canal system.
9 If that process is not able to be done 10 under this license extension, I want all of you to 11 tell us that, to say this is the process you need to 12 deal with the cooling canal system within. And, you 13 know, if I made any misstatements about your ability 14 to require those conditions, I apologize, in my 15 earlier comments.
16 But I think it's important that you let 17 the public know because most of the 20 comments or 25 18 comments we heard earlier are focused on the cooling.
19 They're focused on the failing cooling canal system.
20 So I'm asking all of you, because this is a two-way 21 street, to let us know what process it is, where we 22 can fix and address the cooling canal system.
23 So that's number one. Two, a number of 24 people raised crocodiles, a sanctuary for wildlife.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Really look at those numbers because after the upgrade 1
we saw a number of, I think it was in FPL's own 2
reporting, half of the crocodile nests died.
3 So if you're looking at protection of 4
endangered species, you really need to take a look at 5
the wood storks. You need to take a look at the 6
crocodile nesting. Those, the conditions within the 7
cooling canal system completely failed. So, again, 8
if you're claiming that this is a sanctuary for 9
wildlife, it wasn't through that time period.
10 The other thing again, and I focused on 11 it earlier, is that there's misstatements and 12 misinformation or not all of the information that was 13 provided in the environmental report. For example, 14 we know the cooling canal system is built into 15 limestone.
The oolitic limestone in Dade 16 County is like a sponge. It's very transmissive.
17 That's a fact. So for FPL, 20 separate times, in 18 their environmental report to say this is a closed 19 loop system and then a dozen separate times to say 20 there's no discharge anywhere, is not true.
21 So you need to make sure you get all the 22 information on how that report updated. I will be 23 submitting a
number of comments on their 24 environmental report. I do think it's woefully 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 inadequate. I think that, again, there are --
1 there's information out there that isn't being 2
supplied.
3 For example, everywhere that Dade County 4
looked with their new monitoring -- just a second.
5 I'll just finish my statement. Everywhere that Dade 6
County looked, with their additional monitoring, what 7
they required as part of the Class 1 permit, they 8
found a plume.
9 For example, in the Barge Basin, Turtle 10 Point, Card Sound, Upwellings, L-31 E, they found it 11 near the S20F structure. So the point is, more 12 monitoring is needed. We need to really look at this 13 location and make sure that we're not continuing to 14 exacerbate a problems that already exist.
15 Now within your packet, as I said before, 16 you have all the expert reports in the Clean Water 17 Act case. I urge you to take my comments and connect 18 the dots with that. We will be providing written 19 comments by the 21st.
20 But because this is such a complex issue, 21 I do ask you to consider an extension of time on those 22 written comments. You know, it's important that 23 everybody be able to supply you with all the 24 information. Thank you.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MR. BURTON: Appreciate that. Next we 1
have Wendy Brainard, and then our last speaker is 2
Matt Schwartz.
3 MS. BRAINARD: Hi. Thank you for 4
listening. As a lay person who lives in Key Largo, 5
and I've been coming to Ocean Marine Club since I was 6
16, we're there for the beauty. We're there for the 7
water. We're there for the fishing.
8 I can tell you my son, who is now 21, is 9
an avid fisherman. He will tell you straight up, in 10 the Bay, the fish aren't there that used to be there.
11 To bring them a little bit of education, we know the 12 cooling canals are linked in. We know that the 13 nuclear reactor waste is coming out from the canals.
14 And you know that. Everyone in this room 15 knows that. I, as a simple person -- simply 16 unacceptable. Thank you for the FP&L keeping us safe 17 during the hurricane, but bet every single one of us 18 was worried about that at the time.
19 I think the water did rise up. If the 20 hurricane did hit it, I think we would all be very 21 much different situation. I implore that you have a 22 moral standard that says those cooling canals cannot 23 leak. They cannot leak into our beautiful, beautiful 24 water.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 For the Chamber of Commerce woman, I 1
think her name was Mrs. Black, speaking, yes, of 2
course. But guess what? There is no economy without 3
the water. There is zero economy without the water.
4 How can you have all the fish going away?
5 And, you know, I hope the crocodiles are 6
getting better, but we need water quality. I can 7
look at the water right outside my window and it's 8
different. It's changed. The temperatures are up.
9 The algae plumes are up. There is higher levels of 10 salt.
11 If you want to say that that's not proven, 12 proving counts, even though you are hiding your money, 13 as a government agency, most of us watch a lot of 14 documentaries, you don't want to be those people on 15 the wrong side of those documentaries coming in.
16 You don't -- you don't want to be sitting 17 here in ten years saying that a woman like myself 18 came up and said, hey, really think about what you're 19 about to do. And what is the answer? The cooling 20 tower -- cooling towers are the answer, which is what 21 the alerting clear reactors, I believe that's what 22 they use.
23 As a lay person, I don't really know all 24 of this. Thank you for everyone. I'm learning a lot 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 here today. But, just simply, they're leaking.
1 They're ruining the water. They're ruining the 2
environment. If you're going to renew, it's got to 3
be 100 percent something that's not going to continue 4
to ruin our environment.
5 And there is no commerce without our 6
gorgeous water, fishing. And I speak for everybody 7
who lived in the keys and who come down from Dade, 8
don't -- don't do something horrible here. Don't let 9
them continue to let cooling canals leak. And ask 10 yourself, why aren't they anywhere else? Please.
11 Thank you.
12 MR. BURTON: All right, thank you. Matt, 13 you ready to go? Okay, while Matt's coming up, I'm 14 surprised. We're actually ahead of schedule. It's 15 only 6 o'clock. So if there are other people who 16 haven't spoken, who would like to speak, let me know.
17 And if there are other people who did 18 speak and felt like they weren't able to make all 19 their points and they feel like they want to speak, 20 we may give you another shot. So, please, Matt?
21 MR. SCHWARTZ: Okay. Give me one second 22 to find my place in my copious notes here. So my 23 name is Matthew Schwartz. I am the Executive 24 Director of the South Florida Wildlife Association.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 It was an organization established in 2010 to protect 1
wildlife and habitat in the Greater Everglades.
2 I
did get to speak briefly this 3
afternoon. I'm going to speak similarly to some of 4
the comments I made then, but hopefully I'll have a 5
little bit more time to extrapolate or to kind of 6
expand on what I was talking about.
7 I started off -- I don't have it with me 8
anymore -- but with the information from Notice 9345, 9
Supplement -- well, let me go back to -- give me one 10 second here.
11 I was reading from 9353, which was the 12 NRC report on the impacts of Hurricane Andrew on 13 Turkey Point, on the Turkey Point Nuclear Plant. And 14 I'm just going to read the paragraph, the onsite 15 damage.. This is your report.
16 "The onsite damage included loss of all 17 offsite power for more than five days, complete loss 18 of communication systems, closing of the one access 19 road" -- I think there's only one; there is only one 20 access road out there -- "and damage to the fire and 21 security system and the warehouse facility."
22 There was a supplemental report that goes 23 into more detail of what those impacts were. And 24 here's a few of these items that I put down. All six 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 steel-frame turbine canopies collapsed. Two -- one 1
of the two chimneys associated with onsite fossil 2
fuels units onsite were severely damaged.
3 And that position of that chimney could 4
have landed right on top of the building that houses 5
the backup generators. And we'll talk about the 6
backup generators very soon. The base anchors for 7
the vent stack on the Unit 4 containment were lifted.
8 Four, duct work from the radioactive 9
waste building to the vent stack failed due to 10 hurricane-generated missiles. Five, the non-safety 11 high caloric tank collapsed and fell on various fire 12 protection pumps and pipes, rendering one of the fire 13 protection systems inoperable.
14 Fast forward now to what happened in the 15 fall of 2017 when Irma was bearing down. I gave my 16 proper way to a reporter that was here. But it showed 17 the trajectory of Irma heading right between Cuba and 18 the Bahamas, right? I had a little more time. I'm 19 just warming up.
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- Anyway, the hurricane was heading 21 directly for Turkey Point, a Cat-5. And, by the way, 22 comparing Andrew to Turkey Point -- or Andrew to Irma 23
-- Andrew to Irma. Andrew was a Cat-4/Cat-5 hurricane.
24 Winds were sustained at 145 miles an hour.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Irma, 185 miles an hour, it held back, at 1
one point, for 60 hours6.944444e-4 days <br />0.0167 hours <br />9.920635e-5 weeks <br />2.283e-5 months <br /> in a row. The islands in the 2
eastern Caribbean that got the full brunt of that, 3
they described them as being scoured. Scoured. We 4
know what that word means, scoured.
5 This plant would sustained heavy, severe 6
onsite damage from a much smaller hurricane. Lower 7
winds, much less storm surge than Irma would have 8
generated. Had it come in at Cat-5, it would have 9
been a very, very different scenario.
10 Eric Silagy, who we all know as the 11 director of this company, NextEra, he was quoted in 12 the Washington Post. He said, "We have a tried and 13 true process in place. We have safety. We have 14 safely operated these plants for over 40 years."
15 That's not what happened. They dodged a 16 bullet. They got lucky. The chimney didn't fall on 17 the generators. That's what happened at Fukushima.
18 We have to really compare Fukushima. And I'm going 19 to give you two more bullets.
20 But you can study the effects of 21 Fukushima as well, which, as we know, is another 22 coastal nuclear plant that got hit by a Tsunami. The 23 Tsunami didn't create the melt-down that you had at 24 Fukushima. What happened was the Tsunami wiped out 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the backup generators.
1 The backup generators couldn't run the 2
pumps. The water wasn't going through the reactor 3
cores. The material melted down. We had explosions.
4 We had three melt-downs, explosions, the release of 5
radioactive gas into the atmosphere. We have a 6
gigantic no-man's zone.
7 Why on earth would we want to risk that 8
in Turkey Point when we know that hurricanes are going 9
to get more intense. That's what all the science 10 says. Hopefully, you guys are making a scientific 11 decision here on this decision, on this decision to 12 extend the life of this plant 20 years into warmer 13 oceans, warmer air, more water vapor in the air, more 14 water in the oceans.
15 When they studied Harvey, which is also 16 kind of similar, because there we had all kinds of 17 industrial equipment inundated. That's going to 18 happen at Turkey Point. We know that, that the life 19 of the plant right now. And people are talking about 20 the cooling canals. Obviously, nobody is projecting 21 less than six inches, and that's how high these 22 cooling canals are, at best, above the sea level.
23 I'm wrapping up. During the time when I wrote 24 about this, the little edge of Irma passed by 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 southeast Florida. It was just the edge. We barely 1
got a hurricane in the Turkey Point area. I was told 2
that the water level in those canals rose four feet 3
because it's right near -- it's sea level.
4 So essentially, whatever we put in the 5
canals, and people have spoken what's in those canals, 6
are essentially part of Biscayne Bay. Initially, 7
when they built the Turkey Point facility, the non-8 nuclear part, that warm water was going directly into 9
Turkey Point.
10 Get six inches of sea level rise or a 11 foot, and nobody's saying we're not going to get a 12 foot, essentially those cooling canals are Biscayne 13 Bay. So we're going back to the original plan of 14 dumping water directly into Biscayne Bay. And that's 15 happening anyway because, as everybody is saying, 16 limestone is transmissive.
17 Those cooling canals are not separate.
18 But the main issue for my, what I'm emphasizing right 19 here, is that there is enormous risk. And, by the 20 way, lessons learned from Fukushima was that you guys 21 ordered all nuclear plants to come up with better 22 flood control. Make sure everything is sealed tight.
23 Make sure water can't get in anywhere.
24 And as you folks know, what happened in 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 St. Lucie? A few years ago, we had seven inches of 1
rain in five hours. One of the buildings got flooded 2
with 50,000 gallons of water. We don't want that to 3
happen at Turkey Point in a critical building that 4
might be necessary to keep the pumps running.
5 What happens if those pumps don't run?
6 How are you going to get anything in there? There's 7
one dirt road -- one road going into the facility.
8 So you are putting, not -- I mean, if you make this 9
decision, it is you. If you make this decision to 10 extend this out, you are putting the entire region at 11 risk from this plant.
12 And I'm not making this stuff up. When 13 I was looking at those trajectories and I was watching 14 the path play of Irma, I was scared. And I'm going 15 to stop there. I'm getting two notices to stop. But 16 thanks for listening.
17 MR.
BURTON:
Thank
- you, Matt.
18 Appreciate it. So, okay, we do have a little time 19 left. So I want to, if there's anybody who did not 20 speak who would like to speak, raise your hand. We'll 21 let you come up and speak and you can fill out one of 22 the cards a little bit later. Anyone?
23 Okay, is there anyone who would like to 24 take a second three-minute round to finish up their 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 thoughts?
1 (Off microphone comments) 2 MR. SCHWARTZ: Can I just make one more?
3 Okay, just so for the record, for our supervisor, our 4
park supervisor of Biscayne National Park here. I 5
had long conversations with Mark Lewis, Department 6
Superintendent of Biscayne National Park, the only 7
national park in the United States with a nuclear 8
plant as its neighbor.
9 And one of the things that he said to me 10 was even if I was a friend of nuclear power, whatever 11 my opinion is of nuclear power, this is the last 12 place, the lowest point in Miami-Dade County, that I 13 would ever think of putting a nuclear plant.
14 MR. BURTON: Okay, I think one, at least 15 one person wanted to -- one three round, three-minute 16 section round?
17 MS. REYNOLDS: Thanks. I'm glad for the 18 extra time because, of course, there's so much to put 19 on the record here. Wanted to just, since the 20 superintendent was here, I wanted to just let you 21 know that there is a letter from, in your packet that 22 I gave you, from the National Park dated May 2016.
23 And that was based on the numeric 24 nutrient criteria violations that the state has sent.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 You also have those graphs in your packet. And you 1
will see that for nitrogen, phosphorous and for 2
chlorophyll-A there are graphs on at least two 3
locations in Biscayne Bay emanating from Turkey 4
Point.
5 And how do we know that? Because there's 6
also a tracer that we look at, tritium. And tritium, 7
at the levels that we're seeing, you know, well above 8
background are also associated with these points.
9 So tritium's used as a tracer. You also 10 have a graphic in your packet showing the tritium 11 radius all around the plant at levels in the thousands 12 and in the hundreds of peak are curious. So that's 13 in your packet as well.
14 Also you do have a position that the 15 Florida Keys Aqueduct Authority has taken and two 16 different resolutions -- one from Monroe County and 17 one from Dade County requesting cooling towers.
18 The last thing I just wanted to wrap up 19 is just to let you know that there is a lot of 20 information here. I would very much like to 21 continue the conversation and, again, like I stated 22 before, if you are not able to set conditions to move 23 this license forward, then I don't think you have a 24 choice but to deny it or find another process in which 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 we can require cooling towers.
1 All of the experts that we've consulted 2
said that is the best method to move forward with to 3
make sure it's safe, to make sure it's resilient to 4
climate change and not open to the environment. You 5
know, this, up until a few years ago, this was 6
dependent on rainfall.
7 If they didn't get the rainfall, the 8
salinity went way up. You know, now they're adding 9
a lot of water. And the addition of that water makes 10 the pollution worse. And so because it's open, it's 11 an open system, it's very vulnerable to climate.
12 It's vulnerable to sea level rise.
13 And for those reasons, we ask that you 14 consider this or find another process that you can 15 identify for us to make sure that if this does go 16 forward, that we can require a different cooling 17 system that's safer and doesn't pollute the 18 environment. Thank you.
19 MR. BURTON: Lauren -- okay, Bryan? Yes, 20 Bryan Paz, second three minutes. Is there anyone else 21 after Bryan? Okay, I think Bryan will be the last.
22 MR. PAZ: Thanks again for allowing me to 23 speak. I just want to, again, echo what other folks 24 have said.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 But again, these cooling towers are not 1
a radical request. Again, this is industry norm.
2 There's dozens and dozens of nuclear plants across 3
the country that have cooling towers because they 4
understand it's critical for the integrity of the 5
facility.
6 The cost of these at installation would 7
be in the range of $220 million to $310 million. And 8
given that it would just be granted by Units 3 and 4, 9
make up 10 percent of the energy delivered by FP&L, 10 this is a reasonable cost of capital to maintain 11 what's an important system to their energy 12 production.
These cooling tower 13 regimens are critical to ensuring that Turkey Point 14 does not pollute the surrounding aquifer for decades 15 to come. And the current infrastructure in Turkey 16 Point, in my opinion, is already flawed, and we must 17 absolutely ensure that this pattern of weak 18 infrastructure doesn't continue with Units 3 and 4 in 19 the coming decades and the remaining few year.
20 NRC should also just look into whether 21 these facilities are prepared for the projected sea 22 level rise set out by NOAA. their January '17 report 23 states that the global mean sea level is in the range 24 of 0.3 meters to 2.5 meters in this century. And 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 many, obviously many climate scientists believe it to 1
the higher end of that range.
2 So I urge the NRC to -- or actually FPL 3
to submit a plan demonstrating how they will ensure 4
the infrastructure at Turkey Point is prepared to 5
deal with sea level rise and stronger storms.
6 Thanks.
7 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Bryan. Okay, 8
sorry. Zach, please?
9 MR. COSNER: So basically I have one 10 final statement. I want to state that the open heat 11 sink is addressed in the Bill Powers report in the 12 Student Life Clean Energy packet. Bill Powers is the 13 consultant that we've hired to basically talk about 14 the effectiveness and the efficacy of establishing 15 cooling towers to replace some of the cooling canal 16 system. That is all.
17 MR. BURTON: Thank you, Zach. Anyone 18 else? Second round? Okay, great. I'll turn this 19 off. Okay, we appreciate all the comments. We're 20 about to close out and adjourn, but before we do, I 21 wanted to thank some of the people who helped to make 22 this possible.
23 First of all, I want to thank Mayor Porter 24 and the Homestead City Council, the City Clerk's 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Office, Ms. Sule and her team lead by Ms. Herrera; 1
our transcriber, Alison Bean, and our security team.
2 Please thank Officer Rodriguez for me.
3 And I think, with that, I'll turn it over 4
to George.
5 MR. WILSON: As Butch said, I'm George 6
Wilson. I'm the director of for Materials and License 7
Renewal for the NRC. I want to thank everyone for 8
attending the scoping and screening meeting for the 9
Turkey Point Units 3 and 4, subsequent license 10 renewal.
11 We greatly appreciate the comments that 12 we received during this meeting. The comments 13 included on this meeting and at the prior meeting, 14 the cooling canal system, how it affects Biscayne Bay 15 and the palatable water, climate change through storm 16 strength, sea level rising or storm surges. And 17 earlier in the earlier session there was a comment on 18 radioactive waste.
19 My staff will independently and fully 20 evaluate these issues during their environment 21 review. One of the key terms there is independently.
22 So I know that there's been a lot of comments brought 23 up about the environmental report. We do our own 24 independent environmental review session.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 So we look at the environmental report 1
that's given by Turkey Point. And for the final 2
item, we actually do our own independent assessment.
3 I want to make sure that everyone fully understood 4
that point. Would like a question?
5 MS. RIPPINGILLE: I had a question. My 6
question is, as we plan --
7 MR. BURTON: Wait. Excuse me, for the 8
record.
9 MS. RIPPINGILLE: Thank you. My name is 10 Bonnie Rippingille, for the record. I'm a resident of 11 the Florida Keys. FPL represented to us that they 12 would have the well extraction, the extraction 13 system, extraction wells all lined up and finished by 14 the end of May.
15 To date, we don't know whether that has 16 occurred or whether they're still operating on a 17 somewhat limited system after three years of planning 18 and testing the system. Do you know whether or not 19 they are fully operational now and the time now is 20 called for the ten-year period within which they have 21 to pull back that plume?
22 MR. WILSON: I do not know that. I'm 23 going to actually put -- we have the senior resident 24 from the NRC, the senior resident at the site of 25
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Turkey Point inspector to answer your question.
1 MR. ORR: Yes, the recovery well system 2
is in operation. I think that committed date was May 3
15th. I think they met that committed date. But if 4
there's a representative from FPL that would like to 5
expound on that?
6 MR. BURTON: Dan, can you give your name 7
and affiliation?
8 MR. ORR: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm Dan Orr.
9 I work for the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. I'm 10 the senior resident inspector at Turkey Point.
11 MR. WILSON: Yes, I don't know if 12 everyone in the room -- we've actually got inspectors 13 that go to the site every day that live in the area.
14 Dan is the senior, so he has another inspector.
15 MS. RIPPINGILLE: Do any of the people 16 that are here from FPL know whether or not those, 17 that extraction system is fully operational? Can you 18 verify that? Do you have ten extraction wells built, 19 up and running?
20 MS. JAMES: I'm sorry. I'm a project 21 manager. I tend to try to follow the rules. This 22 outside the process. This is the NRC meeting.
23 Florida Power & Light is not required to provide any 24 answers.
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(202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MR. BURTON: Okay. With that, I conclude 1
the meeting. Once again, I want to thank you for 2
attending. I do have two comments. Someone talked 3
about -- Florida Power and Light talked about 4
eventually coming up for another power upgrade.
5 That would have its own environmental 6
assessment if they submitted that to us. We don't 7
have any submission for that so the environmental 8
assessment that we're going to do right now is only 9
for the subsequent license renewal.
10 If the plant decides to do another power 11 upgrade, that would have its own environmental 12 review, so I want to just state that.
13 There was also some comments that were 14 stated about limited significant information, to make 15 sure that we looked at it. We have to look at the 16 significant information. That's what we focused on.
17 In addition, if you look at their regulations, there's 18 an annual update that's required while we're 19 reviewing the license renewal.
20 In that annual update every year, they'd 21 have to include anything that would be new and 22 significant for us to evaluate during evaluation. I 23 just want to make those two points. And thank you 24 guys very much.
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