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UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION In the Matter of:,
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On behalf of the NRC Staff:
BERNARD M. BORDENICK, ESQ.
U.S. Nuclear Regule. tory Convaission White Flint North Rockville, Maryland 20555 On behalf of the ADolicant:
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3 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Good afternoon.
This is Judge 4
Morton Margulies, and kith me is Judge Oscar Paris and Judge 5
Emmeth Luebke and we have a reporter reporting this 6
verbatim.
Who's on the lino for the applicant?
7 MR. IRVING:
Steve Irving's here for the 8
applicant, your Honor.
9 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Who is on the line for Staff?
10 MR. BORDENICK:
Bernard Bordenick.
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11 JUDGE MARGULIES:
This is a scheduled pre-hearing 12 conference.
We*ve had some developments in the interim 13 since our last conference.
The first matter to mention is
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14 that the state of Tennessee has withdrawn thwir prior 15 request to participate in the proceedings as an interested 16 state, pursuant to 10 C.F.R. 2.715 (c).
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23 November.11, 1988 in which the applicant enclosed a letter, 24 its letter to the Department of Energy requesting an l
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Regulatory Commission regarding machine decommissioning.
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2 Mr. Irving, have you been in contact with the Department of
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4 MR. IRVING:
Yes sir.
Let me tell you what's 5
happened if I might.
The folks at DOE Oak Ridge that are in 6
charge of the extension were out of town last week, so what 7
they did was they gave us a letter of temporary extension, 8
which we received I guess towards the end of last week, 9
stating that our contract terms were basically extended 10 until November 31st of this year?
11 Well, that of course is a date still prior to the 12 hearing.
The reason for the temporary extension
- which was 13 basically, you know, like a ten-day extension, was to give 14 their staff time to get back from a week they had been away 15 from Oak Ridge, and put together a formal extension which we 7s 16 hcVe not yet received but which we are anticipating 1 */
receiving in the next week or so, that vill extend it for us 18 until January 31st.
19 We again have not received that.
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We have basically 21 nad an extension promised us until January 31st, but we have 22 received nothing in writing to corroborate that promise to 23 us from DOE.
I anticipate of course they will give us that 24 document.
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January 31, 1989.
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1989.
5 MR. IRVING:
1989, yes sir.
6 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Now, we were expecting to obtain 7
certain matters from the parties which we have not obtained.
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One of them is the environmental report.on fauna and flora 9
out at Oliver Springs.
10 MR. IRVING:
The flora and fauna report, your l
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12 it -- the folks we had do it found no significant impact to 13 either, but that has now been transmitted to you and it's my 14 understanding that was mailed out this morning.
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15 it, I guara, on Fri. day or Saturday.
It was Saturday.
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Okay.
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1 19 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Okay.
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And again it's a finding of no 21 impact.
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Please do, Mr. Bordenick.
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the applicant yat, and before we can report to the Board, of 2
course we will have to see what the applicant comes up with.-
3 In addition, we had one of the staff consultants go out to 4
the site at the same time as the applicant, and we won't be i
5 in a position to give anything to the Board until we've seen 6
something from the applicant.
7 So I think it's in the applicant's interest to get
,8 whatever it is they got to the Board to the staff.
9 MR. IRVING:
That was -- it wa9 ma.iled, of course, 10 a copy to you Mr. Bordenick at the same tinie vt: mailed a I
11 copy to the Board.
12 MR. BORDENICK:
And wheri was this Mr. Irving?
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Pardon?
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When did the copy go out?
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Oh, fine.
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All right then.
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20 copies ourselves.
'1 MR. BORDENICK:
That in correct.
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22 can't tell how long that will take because I hamtn' t seen l
23 what the applicant sent in, but I don't contemp1 ht.e it will 24 be a very involved process.
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not received the financial aialysis.
2 MR. BORDENICK:
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information to confirm certain findings that we have made in 6
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7 My understanding is the applicant was apprised of 8
this, and we are still awaiting the information.
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words, we can't send it out our analysis until we get some
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I don't know 11 when that's going to be.
12 HR. IPVING:
Okay, if I could just state this 13 please, Mr. Bordenick.
It's my understanding that that 14 information you're expecting from AlchemIE is a copy 15 basically of a bond that we're posting to ensure that we 16 have the money to cover the amount that we anticipate it 17 would cost to do the D & D on the facility.
18 MR. BORDENICK:
Well, my understanding is perhaps 19 it is what you say it is.
My understanding is you're 20 supposed to be getting a letter of credit from a bank.
21 HR. IRVING:
Well, a letter of credit, right.
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2 I think that's something that we spoke with you 3
about on Friday, if I'm not mistalen, and that's being 4
obtained today and that should be out and up to you this
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So that's something that I'll 6
-get immediately upon getting it.
The request, we've begun 7
doing that and that's in the process and it'll be to you 8
this week sir.
9 MR. BORDENICK:
And I think I can state that once 10, we get in hand what Mr. Irving and I have just discussed, we 11 will immediately get out the Staff's review on financial 12 qualifications to the Board.
13 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Mr. Irving, when you talk about 14 a catastrophic failure of the applicant, what do you mean?
15 MR. IRVING:
Basically, your Honor, there's a 16 statutory definition that in the event that someone that s 17 in possession of something that requires D & D for any event l
18 whatsoever, goes out of business, fails, is thrown into l
19 bankruptcy or just about any event that would cause the 20 business to fail is kind of what they call a catastrophic 21 failure as I understand that statute.
22 And it's apparently a new statute that we were 23 made aware of.
I believe I was unaware of it.
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Okay So you're talking about a
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Yes air.
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9 MR. BORDENICK:
Judge Paris?
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Yes.
11 MR. BORDENICK:
Perhaps I can clarify to some 12 extent what Mr. Irving has just said.
What he's talking 13 about is the fact that many months ago the Staff advised the t
'4 applicant that there was then pending a proposed rule on 15 decommissioning, and applicant was informed of that proposed 16 rule.
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He was informed that in the event 20 he did not have his construction permits in hand by the time i
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section, I think *pasturer was put in effect in 6
late July or something of this year?
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July 27, 1988.
8 MR. IRVING:
Yes.
9 MR. BORDENICK:
If the Board is interested, I can 10 give you the Federal Register citation.
11 JUDGE MARGULIES:
That won't be necessary.
12 MR. IRVING:
It's something that apparently has 13 come up and rather than, you know, we're just going to l
14 simply comply with it and we're taking steps this week to go 15 ahead and comply and get it to you.
16 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Now last week the Board sent out 17 certain inquiries to both Staff and the applicant, covering 1B safeguard and security matters as well as matters involving 1
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19 the safety evaluation report.
Have you received those 20 documents?
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Judge Margulies, the applicant l
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JUDGE MARGULIES:
How about Staff, Mr. Bordenick?
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3 MR. BORDENICK:
Yes, J'2dge Margulies, we have 4
received the inquiries and they have been referred to the 5
reviewers.
The reviewers are working on responses.
I'm not 6
in a position 6.oday to tell you when we will get those to 7
you but I do tsot anticipate that it will take very long.
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certainly don't think it will be before the end of this 9
week, and hopefully it will be by the end of next week.
10 JUDGE MARGULIES:
I think at this point we should 11 be discussing what will transpire at the hearings.
12 MR. IRVING:
Okay.
13 JUDGE MARGULIES:
The first thing, do the parties 14 know how maa., witnesses they anticipate having at the 15 hearing?
16 MR. BORDENICK:
I assume applicant will go first 17 on that.
18 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Yes.
19 MR. IRVING:
Well, your Honor we anticipate having 20 available witnesses about from the applicant's side, five to 21 seven witnesses in areas of environment, safety, security 22 and such.
But I had anticipated, assuming you know, unless 23 something comes up that becomes an issue that's not been 24 satisfied to anyone, I had assumed no substantive proof 25 other than our application.
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responses to inquiry by the Board and the staff?
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words, what I had anticipated doing is having witnesses s
6 available, but I had not planned out any kind of an order of 7
introduction of proof other than to basically Exhibit 8
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1, which is our collective submissions to your Honors.
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Well, as a practical matter I 10 think they would have to be broken down more specifically 11 than that to deal with an entire record, just with a 12 det.ignation of Exhibit No. 1 I think would be totally 13 unwieldy and unworkable.
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17 That's what I had intended to rely upon collectively as our 18 ovidentiary presentation.
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And what does Staff intend to 20 do, Mr. Bordenick?
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22 available at the hearing Drs. Clark and Swift, the former 23 and present project managers of these applications, and they 24 will sponsor into evidence the Staff's SERs and the 25 environmental assessments, i
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financial qualifications review, if the Board has no further 4
question of the staff witnesses and there are a total of i
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That's Mr. Sawyer on 6
safeguards, Mr. Burnside on security, and Mr..Peterson on 7
financial qualifications.
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9 witnesses verbally and this is what I alluded to last week 10 when I requested that the Board advise me as soon as 11 possible, knowing that even as of today, they still can't do 1
12 that.
If the Board has need for the witnesses being in 13 Knoxville live, they will be there.
14 If the Board has no need for them to be there 15 live, the staff would contemplate putting their submissions 16 into the record via a sworn affidavit.
17 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Just one minute.
We're going to 18 have a discussion off the record.
19 (Discussion held off the record.)
20 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Mr. Bordenick?
21 MR. BORDENICK:
Yes.
22 JUDGE MARGULIES:
How would you propose to handle 23 the safeguard and security matters?
You would have your 24 witness in the affidavit sponsor the documents which will 25 not be made part of the record.
Is that correct?
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MR. BORDENICK:
That was my contemplation, yes.
2 JUDGE MARGULIES:
We can see no problem with your 3
proposals as to how you want to handle these matters.
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either party want to comment on the other's proposed' method 5
of proceeding?
6 MR. IRVING:
Your Honor, Steve'Irving for the 7
applicant.
If I'm not mistaken, they're fairly consistent 8
and similar.
We both primarily are intending to rely upon
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If properly authenticated and 11 submitted -- is that right, Mr. Bordenick?
I don' t see --
12 is there any major difference in our philosophy to it?
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14 substantive difference.
The only difference is a practical 15 difference.
You've got your people down --
15 MR. IRVING:
That's right.
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Down there in Knoxville.
I don't.
18 If necessary, I will bring them down.
19 MR. IRVING:
I have nn objection to Mr.
20 Bordenick's plan of introducing his evidence.
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I can't give you a number offhand.
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copy that is readily presented in many court actions.
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I'm glad you raised it.
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In this case, since O-16 we just have the applicant and the Staff and the PDR copy.
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the Board incorporate into the record as if read the 5
documents.
In other words, they would be bound into the i
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applicant.
8 MR. IRVING:
Well, from our standpoint Mr.
9 Borderick really, we want to certainly comply and make 10 certain everyone gets their copies who's supposed to get 11 their copies, but as you noted, the entire record that we've 12 generated is quite voluminous.
13 Nonetheless we'll do whatever the Board would 14 prefer us to do on some of these larger documents.
If it's 15 necessary indeed to physically reproduce ther. and have those 16 copies available and physically enter them into evidence, i
17 rather than incorporating by reference, something say 18 already filed in the cause.
Certainly we'll do that.
19 MR. BORDENICK:
Judge Margulies?
20 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Yes?
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I would suggest that we do.
23 JUDGE MARGULIES:
I guess we can, but it's a 24 little prema'ure to discuss it at this point.
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this point was that I think by contacting the -- I mean I'll 2
have enough copies of Staff documents down there in any
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Whether it's three copies or ten 4
or 15.
We'll have the copies down there.
5 I think in the interim, Mr.' Irving and I can 6
discuss this further and also I will contact the reporting 7
company that will be reporting this and see what their 8
desires are and try to come up if, for example, the Board 9
agrees to the Staff's physically putting its documents into 10 the record as if read, which on reflection it may turn out 11 to be fairly bulky because it looks like to me we may now be 12 talking about a one day hearing, putting aside limited 13 appearance statements.
14 JUDGE MARGULIES:
My offhand feeling is that it 15 would be better if they would go in as separate documents, 16 as exhibits.
17 MR. BORDENICK:
I'm tending to agree with you now.
18 If that's the case, I think we will end up needing lesc 19 copies.
I assume the Board will have copies of everything 20 with them and that the applicant will have copies of the 21 Staff documents and vice-versa, that there will be no need 22 to exchange documents with anyone at the hearing.
23 Simply giving -- it's certainly agreeable to the 24 Staff to mark documents as exhibits, and I will double-check 25 with the reporting company.
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mind from past experience is on exhibits you need to give 2
the reporter three copies.
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4 JUDGE MARGULIES:
And then the Board is entitled 5
to copies, but if we have the documents, then we're not 6
going to require the parties to submit additional documents.
7 Certainly in terms of the filing of the applicant, in terms 8
of their environmental statement and their PSAR, they've now 9
furnished each Board member with two copies, so we certainly 10 don't need for own use any more copies of those documents.
11 MR. IRVING:
Tha:k you, your Honor.
12 JUDGE MARGULIES:
But you also understand that 13 since the documents that were submitted were updated by the 14 letters of inquiry and the responses, those too should be 15 included as exhibits for the record.
16 MR. IRVING:
Yes sir.
17 MR. BORDENICK:
Yes, understood.
Judge Margulies, 18 I don't know if this is -- I don't know i f wa have finished 19 discussing this particular topic, but in any event I just 20 wanted to point out to the Board and the applicant that at 21 an abundance of caution, Wednesday of this week the staff's 22 licensing assistant for AlchemIE is going to go down to the 23 public document room and make sure that as of whacever date, 24 allowing for mailing times, that the public document room in 25 downtown Washington, DC has in it what it's supposed to have Heritage Reporting Corporation (202) 628-4888
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report on it to the Board and the applicant dur.ing the next 5
conference call if one is scheduled.
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From applicant's standpoint that's 7
fine.
I've verified all of our documentation here, that i
8 copies were sent there but I haven't verified of course they 9
are received, and in that regard it would be of benefit to I
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11 MR. BCRDENICK:
Yes.
I think we want to make sure 12 before we go to the hearing that the public document room is 13 accurate vis-a-vis what it has or doesn't have.
14 JUDGE MARGUL1ES:
All right.
Now we have the 15 matter of briefs to be filed following the hearing.
16 MR. IRVING:
Your Honor, the applicant, assuming 17 things continue to progress and we're able to resolyw most 18 of these issues, that's the type of issue that if allowable 19 we would waive.
20 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Well, it would assist the Board 21 to have briefs filed in the form of initial decision, which 22 is customary in these proceedings, and if we don't have any 23 problems I don't know why the briefs can't be prepared in 24 advance and be turnev a --
25 HR. IRVING:
At the hearing?
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At the hearing or very, very 2
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Do you have any problem with that,
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As a matter of fact I was planning to call Mr. Irving 6
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There were so many other things 7
pending I sort of put this off.
But I don't,know -- I think 8
Judge Margulies is correct, that we could probably prepare 9
what will turn out to be the bulk of the findings prior to 10 going down for the hearing, and then we can just sort of i
11 fill in whatever blanks have to be filled in as a result of 12
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16 that's what the case law says.
So if the Board wants 17 findings, as far as the Staff is concerned, the Board will 18 have findinga.
19 But I think again, this is another item perhaps we 20 can defer further discussion on vis-a-vis setting dates 21 until the next conference call and Mr. Irving and I can 22 discuss this matter.
23 JUDGE MARGULICSI Well, fine.
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noticas of anyone wishing to submit a limited appearance.
6 But that's something that also will have to be accomplished.
7 We seem to be moving along without any difficulty.
8 As a practical matter, we have the hearing set for 9
December 21st, which is at a very busy time for a lot of 10 people and presents some problems.
What is the feeling of 11 the parties if we would move the hearing up to the first 12 week in January, to be held down in Knoxville and to wind it 13 up with the limited appearances and everything else at that 14 time?
15 MR. IRVING:
Your Honor, on behalf of the 16 applicant I guess it's one of those situations where I'd be 17 able to answer that question better once I've gotten some 18 kind of a confirmation or talked a little bit further this 19 week with the Department of Energy.
20 I have, of course, in sending them the letter and i
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5 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Yes, I fully understand that.'
6 What is your feeling, Mr. Bordenick?
7 MR. BORDENICK:
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says, but as a practical matter in this case I think Mr.
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No, it doesn't require any 4
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alluding to.
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That would have been satisfied by the 7
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9 JUDGE PARIS:
In the first week in January, I'm 10 looking at the official NRC calendar.
I note that January, 11 the 2nd on Monday is a Federal holiday.
12 MR. BORDENICK That's correct, but I think the 13 Board could keep the days of the week the same.
In other 14 words, the way it now stands is that the hearing would be 15 held on a --
16 JUDGE MARGULIES:
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18 MR. BORDENICK:
Yes.
I don't think that the --
19 Judge Paris, I don't think that the Federal holiday would 20 interfere with holding a hearing that first week of January.
21 JUDGE PARIS:
No, I'm not suggesting it would.
I 22 just was pointing that out.
The 4th and 5th, how d;os that 23 sound?
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That week?
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Yes, sure, and then that would give 4
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That would be Tuesday, the 29th.
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5 MR. BORDENICK:
That's fine.
I appreciate it.
6 Thank you.
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10 MR. IRVING:
Your Honor, in terms of my schedule, 11 no I don't.
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have all the f.n*ormation and we still have a number of 7
inquiries out for which we have no information.
But if 8
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We've set it for the 29th, 24 MR. IRVING:
What time is that?
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immediately, and the flora and fauna report has been 10 transmitted today.
11 JUDGE MARGULIES:
We will just go off the record 12 for a minute.
The Board wants to discuss several matters.
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people set up a separate docket, and in fact that's what as G
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Well, that's just another one of 13 those matters which we can defer until the next conference, 14 as to which method will be used.
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I was reminded of it by the discussion 18 we just had.
On the question of the Board's having -- I 1
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itself, that we have had no problems arising --
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camera, and I'm not suggesting that would be necessary, but 5
just to relay to the Board and the applicant my 6
understanding is that if the r,oard were to go in camera on 7
safeguards matters, that all they would have to do would be 8
to clear the hearing room in which they were in.
They would 9
not have to go to another hearing room.
10 However, if they did go into classified 11 information, they would have to go to a secure hearing room.
12 I don't know if I've made myself clear on that, but in any 13 event I'm not suggesting that either eventuality would como 14 to pass.
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18 JUDGE MARGULIES:
Well, in that we don't have any 19 confidential information before us and I don't foresee us 20 having any --
21 MR. DORDENICKt That's quite correct.
The only 22 confidential information relating to this -- well, not even 23 relating to this application, but relating to AlchemIE's 24 operations, really is certain components of the machines 25 that they're going to use, which are not part of the NRC Ileritage Reporting Corporation (202) 628-4888 OU
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Will this be proprietary 4
information?
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Tse safeguards material is 6
considered proprietary.
7 JUDGE PARIS:
Yes, I understand'that.
8 MR. BORDENICK:
But any classified information 9
would be in a different category from the safeguards or 10 proprietary information.
11 JUDGE PARIS:
Do you anticipate their being any 12 classified information?
13 MR. BORDENICK:
Absolutely not.
14 JUDGE MARGULIES:
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15 should become academic.
We will try to resolve all of those 16 issues before hearing and in all likelihood we will not have 17 to go into in camera.
18 HR. BORDENICK:
Well, that certainly sounds 19 agreeable to the Staff.
20 JUDGE MARGULIES:
If we get the responses we are 21 looking for, then it will be academic.
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23 MR. IRVING:
Not from the applicant, your Honor.
24 MR. BORDENICK:
Nothing from the Staff.
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Thank you sir.
4 JUDGE PARIS:
Thank you.
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