ML20040D429
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| Site: | Diablo Canyon  |
| Issue date: | 12/30/1981 |
| From: | Jeffrey Herrera PACIFIC GAS & ELECTRIC CO. |
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1 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Thank you, Mr..Tresler.
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.That's the extent of the questionning that I have.
3 Owen?
4 MR. SHACKLETON:
Mr. Tresler, when you were 5
flying back from Washington D.C. to San Francisco on 6_
_the plane with Mr. Rocca and Mr. Rocca discussedu ith you w
7 the comments you've already presented in prior testimony, 8
did you on that aircraft observe him or overhear him 9
discussing the matter of the comments made by Mr. Norton 10 and his concern about Mr. Norton's comments not being
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12 anyone;else?
13 MR. TRESLER:
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discussion on this issue.was with me.
15 MR. SHACKLETON:
I have no further questions, 1
16 and +1r. Tresler, we thank you for coming back for these 17 q ue s tions.
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1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2
NUCLEAR REGULATORY CO:1'1ISSION 3
INVESTIGATION OF 4
DIABLO CANYON UNITS 1 & 2 5
INTERVIEW OF 6
JESS'R. HERRERA 7
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Pacific Gas & Electric Headquarters Offices 10 Law Department Conference Room 77 Beale Street 11 San Francisco, California 1
12 Wednesday, December 30, 1981 13 14 15 The above-entitled matter came on for hearing, l
16 Pursuant to notice at 10:00 a.m.
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17 APPEARANCES:
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j 19 OWEN C. SIIACKLETON, JR., Moderator j
B. H. FAULKENBERRY l
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ERRATA SHEET Interview of Jess R. Herrera, December 30, 1981 The following. corrections should be made:
Page 513, Line 17 - Change to read to others to instead of to -- to.
Page 516, Line 8 - Change Herrara to Herrera.
Page 516, Lines 10 and 11 - Omit the words to the -- when, when that,.
Page 516, Line 14 - Change to read Lab work, instead of Lab -.
Page 516, Line 16 - Change request or to requestor.
Page 518, Line 3 - Change Herrara to Herrera.
Page 518, Line 4 - Change Herrara to Herrera.
The above corrections were identified by Jess R. Herrera and Bobby H. Faulkenberry.
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10:47 a.m.
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MR. SHACKLETON:
On the record.
This is December 4
30, 1981.
The time is now 10:47 a.m.
5 This is an interview of Mr. Jess R. Herrera, chief 6
electrical engineer with the Pacific Gas & Electric Company.
7 Mr. Herrera is now in his 30th year with PG&E.
8 This interview is taking place in Room 3101 of the 9
law offices of the Pacific Gas & Electric Company, at 77 Beale 10 Street, San Francisco, California.
ij The purpose of this interview of Mr. Herrera is part f the investigation presently being conducted by the U.S. Nu-12 clear Regulatory Commission concerning the facts and happenings 13 surrounding the present reverification program of the seismic v
34 design of the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant being conductact 15 by Pacific Gas & Electric Company.
Present from the U.S. Nu-16 t
clear Regulatory Commission, Region Five, to conduct this h
17 interview is Mr. Bobby H. Faulkenberry, chief, reactor construc-18 tion projects branch.
And my name is Owen C. Shackleton, Jr.
l 19 Ia a senior investigator assigned to Region Five.
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Mr. Herrera, you have been advised of your right to g
3i have private legal counsel present during the course of this interview.
Do you so waive that right?
MR. HERRERA:
I do, yes.
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MR. SHACxtETOn:
Ana do you understand, Mr. Herrera,
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I the commission's request that you keep your testimony confiden-2
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tial?
3 MR. HERRERA:
Yes, I do.
4 MR. SHACKLETON:
At this time would you please stand 5
for the oath?
6 Whereupon, 7
JESS R. HERRERA 8
having been first duly sworn, was called as a witness herein, 9
and was examined and testified as follows.
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!!R. SHACKLETON:
Thank you.
Please be seated.
11 At this time, Mr. Paulkenberry will conduct the 12 questioning.
13 fir. FAULKENi3ERRY: -Er'.LHerrera,-for the record, b..
14 would you please state your position-with<the Pacific Gas and 15 Electric Company?
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16 MR. HERRERA:
I am the chief, electrical' engineer y
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MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrara,' did you attend both j
19 the October the 9th and the Novembard.he;3rd,.1981 meetings l
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l 20 between PG&E and the NRC at Bethesda, Marylan,d?
3 21 11R. HERRERA:, Nc,'the only,m$eting I attended was p
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22 the November 3rd meeting.
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23 11R. FAULKENBERRY:
It-has been determined that four l
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l 24 separate draft reports-of Dr._ Cloud's; Work were provided to 25 PG&E.
These draft reports were submitted to PG&E on the l
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approximato datta of October the 21st, October tho 26th, j
2 November the 6th, and November the 12th, 1981.
Now, my ques-h..
3 tion is: prior to the November the 3rd, 1981 meeting at Bethes-4 da, were you aware that PG&E had received either the October 5
the 21st or the October the 26th draft report from Dr. Cloud?
!!R. HERRERA:
No, I was not -- not aware of that.
6 11R. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. IIerrera, while at the November 7
the 3rd meeting, and I am going to refer you to the transcript 8
of this meeting, and specifically pages 215 through 218, I 9
would ask you to read these now, take your time, and under-ig stand what is said; and I would like to, in turn, ask you 33 some questions as related to the conversations as contained 12 in the transcript.
13 MR. SHACKLETON:
We'll go off record now during the 34 period of time that Mr. Herrera is reviewing the documents.
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MR. SHACKLETON:
On the record.
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e MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrera, based upon your re-jg view of pages 215 through 218 of the November the 3rd tran-j 39 ai script, do you recall whether or not you heard the statements 20 3
d made by Mr. Maneatis, Mr. Norton, and Dr. Cloud at the November 21
- i the 3rd meeting?
MR. !!ERRERA:
Yes, I -
'I believe I heard those.
I was in the back of the room.
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11R. FAULKENBERRY:
Okay.
When you heard the state-25
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1 ments mado by Mr. Maneatic, Mr. Norton, and Dr. Cloud,as
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related to whether or not PG&E had Dr. Cloud's draft reports, (k
3 while at the meeting, in your own mind, did you believe that 4
these statements could have been erroneous or misleading?
5 MR. HERRERA:
No, I don't believe so.
I -- because 6
to my knowledge,JI had not -- I was not aware that any of the 7'
reports were in -- in house.
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!!R. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrera, have you since been 8
9 made aware that draft reports were submitted to the N -- to 10 PG&E prior to their receipt by.the NRC?
11 MR. HERRERA:
Yes, since just -- just recently, I f.havebeenmadeawareofthat,yes.
12 13 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Okay.
Could you give us an idea
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14 of what you mean by "just recently," could you bracket the il time frame?'
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NR. HERRERA:
Well, I think last couple of weeks 16 wh'en,youknow,whenIlfthefurorstartedI--Iwasmade h
17 118 awate that, that the company had had some, some draft co --
i 19 reports in in-house.
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[ M,R. FAULKENBERRY:
Have you ever seen any of these 20 a
3 draft reports?
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L MR,. HERRERA:
I have seen them, yes, just lately.
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Okay.
Do you -- have you made 24 l
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Did you comment, review, l
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1 comment, and then submit any comments on the draft reports 2
{g back to any member of the -- of PG&E or to Dr. Cloud?
3 MR. HERRERA:
Let me put it this way.
Following 4
the -- we did, we did comment on the report but it was after 5
the Bethesda meeting.
So I am not sure of your question.
6 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Okay, I'll raphrase the question, 7
then.
Do you recall which report you commented on?
8 MR. HERRERA:
Well, we had a -- we had a letter from 9
-- my memory is not too clear.
We had a memor -- a letter 10 frem, from the chief mechanical engineer to Mr. --' addressed 11 to Mr. Bettinger and myself, requesting that we review the 12 report.
And this letter was dated subsequent to the meeting, 13 it was around November 10th, as I recall the date.
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14 after the me -- the Bethesda meeting that I attended, and 15 that one came in on a formal transmittal and it came into our 16 department, and then I routed it down through our organizations 17 to -- to make some comments on it.
We did maka comments on g
18 that draft.
Now, I don't know which draft that was.
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j 19 quently, I found out that was probably the third or the fourth
!j 20 draft.
l 21 11R. FAULKENBERRY:
Okay.
Could that possibly been 22 the November tha 6th draft?
23 MR. HERRERA:
It probably was, yes.
24 f1R. FAULKENBERRY:
Did you yourself make any comments 25 on the draft report?
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MR. HERRERA:
No, I personally did not make any 2
comments.
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3 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Did you review the draft report, 4
read it?
5 MR. HERRERA:
I read -- I reviewed the draft report 6
and I read it, yes.
Um hmm.
7 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Okay.
Based upon your review of 8
the November the 6th draft report and upon the knowledge at 9
that time that the draft report was within PG&E, did, in your 10 own mind.at that time, did you relate your knowledge that the 11 November the 6th draft report was in-house with the statements 12 made by fir. Norton, Mr. !!aneatis, and Dr. Cloud at the November 13 the 3rd meeting as possibly being erroneous?
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14 MR. HERRERA:
No, not at the time.
No.
That was the first time I had seen it.
So I -- I assumed that the 15 16 statements that they had made at the Bethesda meeting were ---
17 were accurate.
18 IIR. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrera, apparently, prior g
j 19 to the November the 3rd,1981, meeting at Bethesda, there were i
l 20 several meetings held by PG&E representatives as (quote) " pre-21 conference meetings."
To the best of my knowledge, these i*
22 meetings were held probably on Saturday, October the 31st; 23 Sunday, November the 1st; and Monday, November the 2nd; and 24 the purpose of these meetings was to prepare for tha November 25 the 3rd meeting --
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Did you attend any of those 3
meetings?
4 MR. !!ERRERA:
I' attended the -- the Saturday meeting 5
I attended about a half a. day and then I had to leave.
And 6
uhe Sunday meeting I attended -- I was there most of the day, 7
and
'.'and the Monday meeting, which was the 1st, I guess --
8 was it the 2nd?
9 IHl. FAULKENBERRY:
The 2nd --
10 MR. HERRERA:
The 2nd, I --
11 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Woulo be Monday.
12 MR. IIERRERA:
I attended that one also.
Thau was 13 back in Bethesda, yes.
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14 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Now,!!r. Herrera, while you 15 attended those various meetings, did you hear any conversations 16 by anyone regarding draft reports that Dr. Cloud had submitted g
17 to PG&E?
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18 MR. HERRERA:
No, sir.
No, sir.
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19 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrera, at any time during i
l 20 the November the 3rd neeting, including the lunch break on f
21 that day or including the period of the airplane flight back i
22 to San Francisco, did you hear any conversations by anyone 23 with regard to draft reports of Dr. Cloud's that had been 24 receivrd by PG&E?
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25 MR. HERRERA:
No, I can say that I didn't.
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1 tiR. FAULKENBERRY:
Mr. Herrera, that concludes the 2
questions that I have.
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Owen, do you have anything to add?
4 MR. SIIACKLETON:
No, I have no additional questions.
5 Mr. Herrera, would you like to take this opportunity 6
to readdress any of the responses you have made or questions 7
that have been asked of you,'for a matter of record?
8 MR. HERRARA:
Well, the only one that I would like 9
to amplify a little bit and you -- I don't know if, you proba-io bly are aware of it, is we -- our department did respond to ij the -- when, when that, when we were asked to comment on the 12 November 6th draft, I guess it was the November 6th draft, 13 and we did make comments, one of our engineers made comments
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14 regarding some, some of the Uiley Lab -- they were sort of 15 innocuous comments, but these were returned back to the, to 16 the request or of the letter that we had gotten in to the
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cal engineering department and I subsequently saw a copy of H3 I
it.
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l comments that I can recall.
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MR. RAULKENBERRY:
Excuse me, Mr. Herrera.
Just to 21 I*
f llow UP on that, to the best of your knowledge, were all 22 of the comments made by the people within the electrical engi-23 neering department, were they made as handwritten comments on 24
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the draft report or were they submittad under separate cover?
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1 MR. HERRERA:
ThOy were, c3 I und ratand it, they cy, 2
were -- the comments that we had we phoned in to the Cloud (9
3 organization, and then subsequently we wrote, the following 4
day or that same day, we wrote, this engineer wrote the 5
comments down and transmitted them.
They were handwritten notes and he transmitted them formally back to our mechanical 6
7 engineering department.
It was the same, same comments, _
a though.
They were not -- not different comments.
9 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
I have seen the communication 10 that you made to Mr. Rocca stating that you, your people had ij made the telephone --
MR. HERRERA:
Um hmm.
12 MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Or had the telephone conversation 33
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14 MR. HERRERA:
Yes.
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!!R. FAULKENBERRY:
With Dr. Cloud's people and you 16 a
documented the comments and submitted them to Mr. Rocca.
j 37 That was about a, as I recall, about nine comments in some 18 j
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aj MR. HERRERA:
Yes, it was about a three-page -- yes.
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MR. FAULKENBERRY:
Handwritten document.
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!!R. HERRARA:
Yes, yes.
22 MR. FAULKENDERRY:
Now, with the emeption of that, 23 do you recall any additional telephone or written comments 24
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