ML20085N441

Applicant Exhibit A-32,consisting of Transcript 71,dtd 900427 & Transcribed by Jj Bragg

ML20085N441
Person / Time
Site:	Vogtle
Issue date:	05/17/1995
From:	GEORGIA POWER CO.
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OLA-3-A-032, OLA-3-A-32, NUDOCS 9506300191
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9 10 Transcript of audiotape No. 71, April 27, l 11 1990, transcribed by Judy J. Bragg, certified Court  ;

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[ LINES 1 - 6 DELETED) 7 MOSBAUGH: How many times do you have to 8 bring up the fact that there is a problem 9 with this before somebody takes 10 actions to correct it?

11 AUFDENKAMPE: You only had to bring it 12 up once.

13 But there is a difference between 14 bringing up I think this might be wrong, 15 versus --

16 MOSBAUGH: The problem is is that you think it 17 might be wrong is there is a high probability 18 of there being a problem, but until somebody 19 spent a lot of time with some of this 20 information, you cannot absolutely 21 determine...

22 AUFDENKAMPE: That's right.

23 MOSBAUGH: . . . And then it will be subject to the lawyer-type 24 guessing, well, the words really mean this and

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1 But the problem I have with that is that  ;

2 when there is no management action to do 3 anything when a potential of a problem comes 4 up, you know, you have something wrong in 5 your management.

6 AUFDENKAMPE: Well, what I was telling Rick 7 is --

8 MOSBAUGH: Egit! Let me tell you, just by

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11 has been failures, you know, like on this i 12 diesel stuff; and Paul Rice was there, he i

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j 14 He would immediately have, you know, assign somebody i to j 15 check through the log and he would say, you i

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. 17 AUFDENKAMPE: We know that. We know

! 18 that there were three failures. We are sure j 19 there were two and I think there were three.

i 20 MOSBAUGH: Did your guys -- what is the

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22 AUFDENKAMPE: I don't know.

23 MOSBAUGH: I need to find out the f 24 information .

.i l AUFDENKAMPE: Kenny (Stokes) has not finished l( his log book.

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5 1 AUFDENKAMPE: I don't know because we documented all the 2 failures. There's no question. . .

1 3 MOSBAUGH: I have looked at some of Kenny's 4 sheets. Unfortunately the PEO entries are so 5 bad that they say the diesel tripped, but you 6 really don't think it did trip.

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( 13 AUFDENKAMPE: Let's go back and talk 14 about this diesel thing. Because if you think that. . .

15 MOSBAUGH: I think that there is a high 16 probability that there is a problem with 17 their statement.

18 AUFDENKAMPE: What George told me over 19 the phone --

20 MOSBAUGH: George who?

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22 MOSBAUGH: When?

i 23 AUFDENKAMPE: Before we issued the LER.

J 24 MOSBAUGH: Yes.

25 AUFDENKAMPE: We had a big conversation

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6 1 on those numbers with George Hairston --

2 MOSBAUGH: Yeah.

3 AUFDENKAMPE: Not Hairston, Bill Shipman.

4 MOSBAUGH: They were all on there?

5 AUFDENKAMPE: And what George said is 6 they had explained to the Region that they 7 had -- they used -- Tom Webb got those numbere 8 from what was presented to the NRC and then he 9 just added the additional starts after that.

10 MOSBAUGH: Yeah, that's right.

11 AUFDENKAMPE: And we questioned that 12 with George and what George said is "yes, we

( 13 did have failures, the Region was aware we 14 had failures, but we were in the 15 trouble-shooting mode and once we cleared the 16 trouble-shooting mode, then we had that many 17 successful starts."

18 MOSBAUGH: That's not true. Okay.

19 AUFDENKAMPE: That's what I was told.

20 MOSBAUGH: You can interpret --

21 AUFDENKAMPE: Yeah.

22 MOSBAUGH: But that was a presumption 23 on George's part.

24 AUFDENKAMPE: No. George did not 25 presume anything. He made that as a

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, 1 statement of fact and all that information 2 was presented to him before he made the NRC 3 presentation and that's the way he made the 4 presentation.

5 MOSBAUGH: Okay, well, that's --

6 AUFDENKAMPE: George was aware of.the 7 fact that --

8 MOSBAUGH: You've got to establish, you 9 know, you have weasel words in this thing.

10 You've got to establish your criteria, 11 okay, between X and X, how many successful 12 starts do I think 7 had? What's my criteria?

13 The words in there say " failures and problems."

14 What's a " problem?"

15 AUFDENKAMPE: Well, I think probably 16 the more appropriate way would have been to 17 word it to say we have had -- we have had 18 18 consecutive starts without a trip from this 19 date going back.

20 MOSBAUGH: Whatever. The words in there are 21 weasely, okay?

22 AUFDENKAMPE: Well, they aren't --

23 MOSBAUGH: They say " failures and problems,"

24 and they say "since the 20th."

25 AUFDENKAMPE: They weren't intended to

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8 1 be weasely. From my standpoint, they weren't 2 intended to be weasely.

3 MOSBAUGH: You can read those words a couple 4 of different ways. All I'm saying is that 5 somebody, you know, we need to decide what we 6 missed --

7 AUFDENKAMPE: You'll probably want to 8 mention that to George.

9 MOSBAUGH: We need to decide what we missed, 10 then we need to review the data and see if l

11 what we meant is true or not. But I have yet 12 to be able to figure out, among the various 13 ways of interpreting it, I find a flaw with

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15- AUFDENKAMPE: We also need to tell 16 George that (inaudible) diesel unavailability 17 (inaudible).

18 MOSBAUGH: For what period?

19 AUFDENKAMPE: For (inaudible). I'm 20 going to mention that to Mike today, and I've 21 all sorts of people to help me do that stuff.

22 MOSBAUGH: Kenny just yesterday finished up 23 the diesel --

24 AUFDENKAMPE: B Diesel.

25 MOSBAUGH: No, well --

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i 9 1 AUFDENKAMPE: B Diesel.

j 2 MOSBAUGH: He finished the logs on all the j 3 diesels. I don't know as far as our j 4 accounting --

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