ML20099L383

Intervenor Exhibit I-MOSBA-21A,consisting of Transcript Re Intervenor Exhibit 21 Tape 32-1,dtd 900404,TR 41-44

ML20099L383
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Site:	Vogtle
Issue date:	10/06/1995
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3 LOCATION: MIKE HORTON'S OFFICE 4

7 SEGMENT #1 "96 OF "r OFFICE ""

8 TR. 41-44 9

10 11 MOSBAUGH: Okay; and this intermittent -- I hate the word 12 intermittent, you know, that's --

HORTON:

Intermittent is defined as they " cal'd" it, 13 14 they installed it, and it was noticed venting. They popped it with and hasn't been a problem since.

15 air pressure, it sealed off',

16 That's the definition of intermittent.

MOSBAUGH: That's

-- that's this here, I mean, "Vogtle 17 "A" diesel 18 critique team consisting -- (inaudible) -- concludes the 19 generator tripped because of a combination of intermittent failures inconsistent calibration the jacket water switches or 20 of ,

21 techniques." P HORTON: Yeah, that's it.

22 23 MOSBAUGH: So what's the intermittent failure?

24 HORTON: The fact that the switch calibrated fine but vented in place, i.e.,

f ailed in place, and then af ter being cycled 25 26 with air pressure, worked fine. And then was subsequently replaced 27 and it's in quarantine; and we will have the opportunity to cal it now and verify if it truly is intermittent. Intermittent is 28 29 defined as one known failure after it was placed and after it was you know, that's really no more 30 calibrated. But that's, i

> 31 intermi'. tent than any failure (inaudible), t So we had to 32 MOSBAUGH: But these are two out of three.

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2 HORTON: Plus there was an absolute failure.

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MOSBAUGH: What was that?

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One -- the, either the A or C element was 100 4

The B thing Now, one was intermittent.

5 per:ent vented, failed.

l It was partially 6 was slowly venting. It wasn't full failed.  ;

l The 7 venting. That's the intermittent that we talk about here. t

, 8 combination of the two took us out.

J MOSBAUGH: Okay.

When we checked the one that was totally 9

10 venting, how was its calibration? i i --

HORTON:

It's been quarantined. It has not 11 12 MOSBAUGH: It has not been calibrated?

HORTON: Correct.

13 14 MOSBAUGH: Cal checked.

That's correct and 15 HORTON:

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Okay; and the one that was intermittent?  !

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HORTON: Is the same way.

17 18 MOSBAUGH: It has not been cal checked?

19 HORTON: It's in limbo.

MOSBAUGH: How would you know it's intermittent if it ,

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21 hadn't been cal checked?

during their HORTON:

Because I think they went --

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' 23 troubleshooting noticed it venting by bubble testing it in p ace; 24 and then cycled the air pressure to it and noticed that it cleared. i Subsequent to that it was pulled and quarantined, and we haven't 25 Before touched it since.

That's why they call that intermittent.

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2 MOSBAUGH: Have we ruled out cleanliness?

3 HORTON: No. That's one of the steps in the, in the 4 check the vendor wants to make when he disassembles these things, 5 he,-he wants to--

i 6 MOSBAUGH: No. I mean, how about the lines?

7 HORTON: No we haven't, but he that, he wants to check ,

8 the schrader valve inside the valve body, it has very tight  ;

9 tolerances.

10 MOSBAUGH: Okay. So I mean, you know we have--

f 11 HORTON: It could well have dirt in it.

12 MOSBAUGH: So we haven't checked all these sensing lines r

13 for cleanliness?

14 VOICE: (Inaudible.)

15 MOSBAUGH: Yeah.

16 HORTON: But they weren't checked--

17 MOSBAUGH: An intermittent failure merely is an admission 18 that you haven't gone f ar enough in your investigation to determine 19 the root cause.

HORTON: Right. You are absolutely correct.

20 21 MOSBAUGH: Okay, and I don't like the word and we use it ,

22 here all the time.

23 HORTON: Yep.

24 MOSBAUGH: All that is, is an admission that you don't, ,

25 you--you are not willing to proceed far enough to determine the 26 true root cause.

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The context that its used in here, is like, l 1 MILLER:

2 don't worry about it, its only an intermittent failure. i 3 MOSBAUGH: That's right, that's exactly what I'm saying;  ;

j 4 but its a management, it's a management issue in that you don't t 5 have the dedication to go far enough to determine what the real ,

s j 6 root cause is.

3 VOICE: Let's talk about testing. .;

i 7 l You're saying I'm really not interested in j

) 8 MILLER:

9 failing it occasionally rather than figuring out what caused it.

10 MOSBAUGH: Exactly.

11 MILLER: Let me tell you before you leave, the RIVILIS r a

4 12 DCP is going to be on delta dash today and (INAUDIBLE] will bring I 13 it in with him when he comes in at 6:00 tonight. How's that for 1 ,

! 14 turn-around? i i

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