ML20100A942
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| Site: | Comanche Peak  |
| Issue date: | 10/26/1984 |
| From: | Clancy G TEXAS, STATE OF |
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COUNTY OF TRAVIS S BEFORE ME, the undersigned authority, on this day personally appeared George F. Clancy who, having been first duly sworn, on his oath deposes and says as follows, to wit:
My name is George F. Clancy. I am over 21 years of f age and am in excellent physical and mental health, and am competent to make this affidavit.
! I served in the U. S. Navy from April 30, 1957 to j . January 17, 1967. During that time, I served on the USS
! Nautilus and the Polaris Missile Submarine Daniel Webster. I then transferred to the U. ' S. Army and
! retired from the Army in 1977.
My first civilian job af ter retirement was at the
! Comanche Peak Nuclear Power Plant as a quality assurance
! inspector. I worked at the Comanche Peak Nuclear Power l
i Plant from late November, 1977, until mid-March, 1979, as a quality assurance inspector.
I have not been hospitalized for any mental or emotional problem since I left my job at Comanche Peak, in March of 1979.
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I have given two statements to representatives of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The first.one, Attachment A, was given on September 7, 1979, in Arlington, Texas. The second one, Attachment B, was
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given on August 19, 1983, in Austin, Texas.
I made several notations on the copy that was provided to me of the transcript from the interview dated September 7, 1979, because of errors made by the
, transcriber. These are the handwritten notes on Attachment A.
I hereby reaffirm and adopt the statements that I have previously given in regard to the quality assurance problems and the intimidation of quality assurance personnel at Comanche Peak. I believe that inismanage-ment and poor quality control has resulted in Comanche Peak being unsafe to operate.
I voluntarily lef t my job at Comanche Peak because I was in school in both Ft. Worth and Arlington, pursuing a degree in mechanical engineering. The commuting between school and work became too dif ficult.
Attached are true and accurate copies of letters of reference provided me before I left Comanche Peak.
These letters reflect the quality of my job performance at Comanche Peak as assessed by representatives of Brown and Root, . Westinghouse, and others ( Attachment C) .
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My commission expires // o2. , 1987.
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Q: Your name is....?
A Brink, B-R-I-N-K Q: And who are you with?
As ' I'm with one of the intervention groups.
Q: 0.K. Does it have a name?
.- A Citizens for Fair Utility Rates.
Q: Citizens for Fair...? ,
As Utility Rates. It's a long name. CFUR if you want to do it.
- Q: 'What is it?
A CFUR.
Q: And you are...?
A I'm Dick Fouke. F-O-U-K-E.
Q: Are you with the same organization? ~F-A-U-L-K7 A No, F-O-U ,K-E.
Q: "(by Mrs. Brink) And your namos were?
As Bob Stewart A: I'm Wesley Gilbert.
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Stateteent by Mr. Bob y gwarus First the subject matter is the article in the SacA % am , what.we had. In order to keep things in the proper perspective we go through rather routine questioning and we try to get your backgrcund, what I understand, well..... what is your background in nuclear energy?
A: I spent ten years aboard a nuclear submarine andggqlear
- l. weapons school and nuclear power plant operator. I'm j' retiredand Brown from the attached Root, Army. AndIworkedfor,Iwaspai$.byCP most of the time onM 379 le TUGCO tRtf*.O,A .57/1FP' ON ruz 31 f g Q: Under Brown and Root payroll?
l As Brown and Root paid me. ..I worked under !Pel1r3~ and Hawkinte,ffj I
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l A Any construction? Submarine construction.
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Q: With no other nuclear plant construction?
A: This is the first civilian job I've had since I retired-from the service.
Q: TQat was the period of amployment with Brown and Root?
As It was from just aftep hanksgiving, '77 until the 15th of March this year. (. 79 Q: What we are concerned primarily about is the reference to your last paragraph relative to the questioning asked...
"if there was any y ossible defects in the comanche Peak construction...have not been caught. And he said 'and how likely is that possibility?'" and you went on to say that "you don't know how many such cases there are in Qhat"(Q Do u have a reference to that?
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As (#RJI didn't br ng my glasses so I've got a problem. 3 Q: Just take this and you won't have to read that. [Sht)/ f g/,y A 0.K.
Q: I think this is probably more handy to him. Says "do you know how many such cases there are like that?". He says"No" And they say "More than ten?" "Yes". "More than 100?"
"Sure". "More than 5007" It says "long pause...Possibly."
That is the basic area that I would like to expand on if you have some specific instances that you know of. Now I mean, in general it appears this is an opinion of yours rather than specific cases. Making references to this nuclear safety components. We know you had a problem with T~ S fvAht d*#'M (villgdPITling?) . This is out of our jurisdiction.
A: I'm well aware of that.
Q: Do you know of any specific instance that you can give us that we can follow up on?
. As Yes sir.
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f First thing I'm going to make my % 7 The first thing As I want to make perfectly clear here is I'm not overly impressed with the way the NRC is keeping their thumb on the nuclear industry, such as Brown and Root construction l' - people and the operating people. That would include the people at Three Mile Island and the new bunch they've got out at TUCCO who is going to be do ng the operating. I was of theraised situationunder at anythe givenRickover IiEtance WW4(who in time. And is thein total con l situation nowadays is not that way. And whether the NRC Alf4 apdJ pee%pe industry sk bearing downrealizes it or not on the "FrPA ? called"a they have scaredan and enormous distrustful public". Brown and Root doesn't seem to be able to follow a blueprint. Last night when I was coming back from my calculus class in Fort Worth, on the radio they reported where they had lef t some reinforcing pouss-. [?Atd out of the dome. Have you heard about that yet?
As Yeah.
As The biggest area that's gotten the news has been in the area of civil engineering and now they're starting to
- get into welding. The civil enginee, ping depar*me all7tM , well, 7 i the construction people and the (d, b. and the
- Brown and Root business, it was almost completelyDotaken you l
over and needed pinpoint supervision by rieck.
know who Mr. Fleck is?
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'A /.-hs, we gotl.into R4v MppF/ 8gn-even w ivyr . ; where c.t theypeg . We gottinto Cadweld hassles, wesgot int had, inspectors going down and signed the stuff off, that wasn't certi i o sign anything off, electrical, mechanicalforIdjY e whole nine yards. It all goes back to piss poor supervision. Either the bosses aren't 3 --
down there watching what their troops are doing or they don't know what's going on themselves. When Fleck fit 411y took over, complete control, what it amounted to was the
- q. c. and the construction bunch...the construction department has some inspectors -that- signs things off, you know, they go down there, check whatever it is they got to check, make their measurements and make sure things are in the right place and where it's supposed to be there.
Then q. c. goes down and they do their checks. And every-thing is all signed off. And at that point in time, theoretically, they're ready to pour concrete. Fleck and Hawkins would go down there and I've seen them for three days changing things around and putting things in that they've left out and putting them in the right place and cleaning the garbage and the hard hats and the tool boxes and the lunch buckets, banana peels and all that shit out of there. O. K7 And that indicates to-me that the people that were doing the supervising, I mean -
the inspecting, initially, didn't know what they were doing or didn't care, or a combination of the both.
Q: Well, you must understand that's why you were there.
As an inspector. You cannot inspect ~ quality in the work.
Now if that sort of thing was going on it should have been brought to the attention of management.
Q: M ' Which management?
Q: /W TUGCO management. Are you not part of the @, h program?.
A Yeah. How long... when a dag keeps crapping on the rug,=
you don't say "You pooped on the rug again". You stick his nose in it and you throw him outside until he gets the hang of it that he's not_ supposed to do that. O. K7 '
Fleck would turn it , we'd get everything all straight in areas of Cadweld_7- 49 dhey completely reorganized I
the whole. Cadweld weldEg bunch and inspection and every- !
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tnt! #4W As Right. 'They turn around and they get on something else.
- Within a month Brown and Root would be right back way
- they were doing. They were not signing off some of the r CM Fweld inspections, I guess some of the welders were t
making the inspection. They had two sets of marks on them, no sets of marks on th they were leaving the packing,in there. Devinney and I spent 10 days crawling all over the sic *e o hat thing and we inspected
- between, I don't know, between 3,000 and 5,000 9 welds before they-let them pour anything.
CAD Q: You mean, this is a k function rather than, and what
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' you're saying is inspectors, first line inspection, wasn't doing their job?
As Right. That Cadweld inspector when he says it's o.k., that i should be the end of if. And once in' awhile, staybe someone should go up and run a spot check. But then, it, the pulled
, thing always came to light when a piece of i apart or f ailed in the test and they found ouh a guy had the thing stuck in that far, and then TUGC0 would
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4: NAc.Well, I can see your point. But you can see our position.
We are not a mL11 tant organization and we cannot go in and tell these people how to run their business.
At 4E I knod, but you can shut them down.
Q: N E we can shut them down in a very j'ustifiable-situation.
The fact is that you people as quality assurance inspectors are finding these things. They may have to reorganize every othar month to obtain the quality of the work that we expect you to see that's in that plant. See, the
. quality assurance people are, their function is to do the very same thing that you were doing. I mean, that's your--
responsibility. It might have been one helluva job, trying to get it straight, but unless you tell me that those things that you found did not, or that nobody-Paid attention to you, that they went ahead and did th'e work anyways, you know, we're...our hands are tied.-
m Unless you can left in those ten &d,e specifically that garbage wasthat they did not cha PWr to make it a ec'r'rected situation when you say the Cadwelds were wrong, or the reinforcing steel was wrong, or whatever, unless it was corrected, we can't pursue the area. We can pursue the management type thing, which we have, and we always do, but there is a certain point that we can not go beyond. I mean, great, if we were Admiral Rickover -
our job would be very simple. But you must remember we are pesn16-A OC .Well, there is no ;a.. of control over the system, that's what the problem is.
Q: W . Well, the positive control is supposed to be handled by the licensee, and if he hires people like you that see those things and make the corrections before the work is completed, that's the very function that you were to do. pgst A N Yeah,'but usually you find t'hese things after you're'at this point in time, but they start all the way from here..
But you can only check back that far. ,What'1r=whh this segment that you can't look at anymore. , '# "8W Q: @ All right,give me a specific. Give me an area that you say....
As /4x Cadwelding, there's a good example, and concrete testing.
There is a good example of....
Q: Nic., Specifically. We've spent a month and a half on concrete testing and investigations. I personally went a month and a half and interviewed fifteen people, and not one sitaation -
came up that we could put some meat into it and say, "This:
is a fact".'
Q: what given situation is something that yo y all meaty?
Wel),,h,of A pec a lunch box sticking out of 5 1",
side of containment?
Would that finally entitle a bad pour?
Q: NWo. You tell me where there was a pour made that you know that something was wrong with that pour. Give me a specific pour in a structure.
A (4- L I can't give you a specific pour by number.
Q: AR Do you know any that you passed over? As an inspector?
As 6PC I never passed over anything.
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TherewastwopeopleinNtoffice. Myself and Devinney(?).
And we can't keep after 4,500, people out there. We had a hard enough time trying to figure out what Brown and Root q.c. was doing most of the time. The welding inspection absolutely stinks. I know of a number of occasions, you EpK kn w Evihkiul?), he works under Hawkins too. He's their
$U u welding whim bang. We caught those people wigg'o'n theg jauth-orized where inside disassembly of valves they oxidized the @ld.,
we withAnything 4IEfes you want to look at in the welding departgent today was continually screwed up. They have the (?)f'#8 3 as going in and out of the same end of the pipe and tKey were welding down here. Vyggg came on up to a number of conferences and he had Bfo,wn and Root by the throa: a couple of times, but nobody wanted to do anything about it.
Q: 8 R- In what regard?
A (3FC. Correcting it. Firing the people that were involved.
Getting somebody in there that knew what was going on.
I'm not a manager. I'm still in school. I'm still trying to learn how the civilian system works. But they didn't take any positive action. The same people would be back down there doing the same identical thing the next day and we would go through the whole routine again.
Q: #FieI understand what you are saying. On the other hand, you are also telling me that you done a damn good job as an inspector, by identifying these' things and telling somebody about it and trying to get something done about it.
A $7c If I catdh 1/2 of one percent, that isn't a very good Q: MI4-How do you know you caught a half of one percent?
Are you saying that you were the only inspector down there that was doing his job?
A:6I I really believe that you came over here to discredit me.
Q: y kC.I don't know why.
. A: 4t_ I really think that you had your mind made up before you came in the door. Now as far as... coming up with a hard-number of how much percent that I'd find or hew much percent I didn't find, I can't do it. All I know is that
! I could go in the building and walk around and in,five __,,tc ,,
- adnutes I could find more stuff than Rosenberg could in a week. He'd go in and he'd get a W"the vault,he'd t P*and or he'd look go at in it the for d.c.c.
a while and then he'd want me to take him down there and show him where this thing was, and we'd go down there and he'd be stepping over violations and ducking under them and all the way down there and he'd look at that thing and they'd fool around for a while, and they'd come back and they'd fiddle around and come up with some unresolved item and then go back to Arlington.
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to make that statement. Because I asked you some questions why do you come up with the opinion that I'm here to discredit you?
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at this point in time it ,ls an opinion, unless you give me a factual situation that has some impact on the health and safety of the public,7 I can't chase wild goose chases, or stories, or opinions. If I followed up on everybody's opinion I'd be inundated with project of chasing everybody.
I'm the reactor inspector. You follow? My jurisdiction is limited as an inspector.
A gc I know of a group of bad welds out there in a primary
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Q: /k. That have been passed, and accepted?
As.fte That have been passed and accepted.
Q: Nyt And on what basis are they bad? When you say they are bad?
As Oc. Doing unauthorized welding and repairs on them for one thing.
Q: N V Unauthorized repair? In what regard?
t As $R, Where they ground down to the stainless steel into the carbon steel.
Q: M E wait a minute. What system was this? (Third party)
As GEf.,,On the primary loop.
Q: #Al That's all stainless. There is no carbon.
As SFG There is carbon steel in areas of some of that... of the reactor vessel.
Q: "lC. Now, you're talking about the reactor vessel?
A 6k,Yes sir. The reactor vessel. I know the welder that done They got it. And his boss told him to weld over it.
down into the carbon.
Q: blC. From the outside? . i As d E Apparently so.
Q: FAc. Well, first of all, the reactor vessel is carbon exterior and cladded interior. .
pFe ?ENiy you also have a carbon W/ I realize that. But on the As UC' steel that's clad too.
Q: FM.But not on the outside?
0: tGt What weld was that where they went down and ran into carbon steel and they didn't put their intermediate presses, do you remember? (By Witness)
Q: MlC Where did you get the number from?
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Q: HC-Now, you've given me a specific. Now I've got something I can go on. If you can give me the weld number. . .?
A: & Weld 19 and Weld 20.
Q: /*T(. On the nozzle?
As On the W N (unclearT~ ...... Anytime you go from a stainless to a carbon steel there is an interface alloy that goes in between or a different type of Series 300.
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Q: Mr. Gilbert is a welding engineer, inetallurgist.
As Fine. Then you agree that the guy's foremen doesn't have the authority to go ahead and then just to cover that over. Right?
Q: He shouldn't have. He probably doesn't have the procedure for it, but we need the specific thing to follow up on.
i As It's Weld 19.
Q: Weld 19?
As You think I'd be willing to talk about that?
Q: toc .(By third party): You thinking of the steam generator?
Is Weld 19 As fg It might have been on the steam generator.
on the steam generator?
As v b I think so.
Anyway, As Q It might have been on the other end of that pipe.
they got into it.
Q: N N on the hot leg, cool leg?
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'! A: NI/C. (By third party): Or it might be the leg from the steam generator to the pump.
As GYC Or across from the pump to the steam generator.
A kit. (By third party) : It's the intermediate pump.
Q: It is the steam generator the pump's on?
As (By another party) : I'm not sure which end it's on, whether it's the hot. leg or the cool leg coming out of the steam generator.
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Well, 19, y'all know you don't use...
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W for every system you may have a I-Db Yeah, but out there it's one, it's on Unit One.
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Definitely Weld No. 197 (9C 19 and 20. They had a lot of problem with 20 too. They covered a lot of things up on.
t Q: MC, Yeah, but who has evidence that it went into the carbon steel?
L A: A The welder that was doing it.
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in confidence. And we say we can do it, but then, you
- know a court of law can come in and demand that we have to give it up, but we will do everything that's possible to protect the guy.
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thing and it's hearsay, you know, we're chasing a shadow somewhere, and spend 90% of our time chasing these things down.
i Unk..u.a. ;si-ce) : We'll pass the information on to him Dicz (nd a let him do what he feels is the proper thing to do.
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$A.#N6 (By Ms. Brink) : Are you working out of the Arlington office?
M #A Yes, I work out of the Arlington office.
Q:*'@o you have any other items like this that we can. . ...
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A: tik.- Bee-concrete- pours t we fought with them for a year on ound
{ using proper welding grounds. Their ar n steel, out there was to take, on plass steel was take the welding 4 Ace't oop it around the pipe, and clamp it back on itseWith the alligator clip as clamped
' back_on the cable, just laying on the side of the pipe.
And somebody would come along and stumble over it and get a 1 over it.
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I USL Oy 6Pc er.i.ah%nd Westinghouse raised hell with them andIt wewas raised just- hell
- - with them and they just kept on doing it.You know most of
! ~ like a locomotive gone out of control. nd of the pipe that you're l the time you can't get on rigged the thing. There working on, so they just was pipes down there . . .... I think the Westinghouse 644WEF
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- Q: ^ D Did you tell somebody about this?
A SIC. Sure.
Q: FR_ Was it ever corrected?
A Q No. It would get up as far as Tulsa and that would be the end of it. 13c ON s/let A 720A>
Q: QDid you write an NCR or document this sort of unclear As bEI would take it to Hawkins, who a turn would give it to the responsible parties.
Q: t/M. Did Hawkins write it up? .
A Q No. He dragged the welding people in there and tear their ass up and then they'd go right back and do it anyway.
Just to write an NCR everytime isn't going to solve a thing. I've seen them where they've had NCR's written on a number pieces of equipment and then go down there and they'd dig through the NCR tags to find the one that they were looking for to clear, and clear it and just leave all the other stuff there. But not to take those steps to insure that it didn't happen again. We got into that thing over the electrical conduits where they was using regular dies to thread the end of the conduit and there was 2 or 3 different NCR's they had written on this one, but anyway, collectiively it was a-problem. So they would go down and clear that one particular NCR and just forget about the other ones.
Not to take measures to tell the people that was doing the thread cutting that the pipe throad is tapered and a regular thread isn't.
Q: MM-Well,-you know the.ig ,syst -ig such that TUCCO and BtR Q-A is verify thh co' 6dtied measures have been taken hose _ i w..;iners. And if they're and t i
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' We had a problem with the diesel generator from the As millwrights putting the thing together. They didn't r have a procedure. somewhere along the line someone decided they wanted to just throw all the pieces in there then build a roof over it. Without.4:he-E' imelear.
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down there the next morning afterthe theybearing e had the y a,r q w and the starter and the rotorrand nc a r ,g and the rotor was sitting down on the starter, so I went and dug up the manual on it and it said in the manual that while threading the rotor through the starter rrgreg.
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millwrights and over a period of about three weeks it took before we finally got that rotor up off the s.tattee(etaster?) .MTO't.
Of course, they jacked up one end and they put it up against the top of it, and then they had it over against one side then over against the other side, then they piled a bunch of wood and junk under it. Every morning I would go down thgre g an4 Qe thing would be settled down again. W M -unc16a$ and we went round and round an4 gund over that They finally built a steel Jfd*#4 0%1ftEIeak. . . . .They W4. M4 clever enough to figure out that that rotor had two ends to it, so when they had to center for the generator, for the engine end of it, centered in the stetter4startegge othe'r end of was down, and back and forth and to on and so forth and it took about another ten days to get that thing all strai htene ver mda w p a whole new world" g# 4 gawhy3 undfear- "y ?y, hn and Root electrical kn Br~o ans q.c. didn't know anything about it. They didn't even know they had a generator down there, I don't think.
And Brown and Root's approach to installing the generator was for and the whola gjenerator unit, "well we don't have a procedure for it, so we'll write down what we did and then call it procedure and you approve it". Wttf2e weg Hawkins aMe 29qing through the roof.
Ac.Mc W w w T Q: r4C I don't blame them. . .but didn't they .use the installation manual?
As M They had a tech rep down there off and on, wandering in and out. Any of the times I' was down there when Brown and Root was doing anything there wasn't a tech rep anywhere in the State of Texas. They were just down there monkeying around with it.
Q: Nk. Were they using the procedures as specified in the manufacturers manual?
A % They didn't have procedures, they didn't have anything.
Their manufacturers manual was definitely lacking as far as./t..
Os t/AG.Did not Hawkins or TUGCO Q-A write up a NCR? Installirig it without procedures? I mean, that's a basic unclear
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then call that a procedure and sign it off after the fact.
Q: N You say Hawkins wouldn't buy that. So did they eventually come up with a procedure?
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Q: FAC Would you say there's any damage to the diesel generator?
I hope not. Hopefully they caught it in time. I hope As w $ g they did. They will probably do the same thing on Unit Two. They don't seem to learn anything. They turn around and do the same thing the next day. Just ke the Cadwelding. They had three major Cadweld -
the time I was there. All three of which I got In on y, eventually. Crawling around and inspecting Cadwelds.
,"'There was one that was pulled out, and then there was one when they had something,h';oked to the rebar(?) .
That was the last one r %ncrear. . . .and i s bfg me like they should of Had a maximum one Fgopge9r unc and they would have had command supervisiWdown there to assure that it didn't happen again.
Q: NFCWell those specific items have been looked into by our-people to see that they were corrected.
Q: TW. (By Mr. Clancy): What about the system though?
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We cannot tell a company Ii~ow to manage their business.
I hope you understand that. You know, we are in sympathy with you, if there is something wrong with the management program, we have to have some evidence, some reason to shut them down. Until it's corrected. And we have done so. There have been any number of stop orderyn any number of Q , hat until they have satisfied us they have taken corre tive measures, they don't start up again.
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I mean who's identifying those defects of that repair rate?
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As (gi I know that. But they did arrive at that number by some engineering deduction. Right? So there's a reason.
Q: N 4 To establish a number.
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Q: N(<.And you may go twenty percent, thirty percent either side of that and not have any problem with that weld.
- A: 6tL That's correct. You may not. Then again, you may. It's not the welder prerogative though,'is it?
Q: rLC No, I agree. That's what the inspectors board is seeing that he stays within those parameters.
As @ How come Y the one that had to catch them?
Q: Nkk That's a good question. -But the fact that they were having a 65% reject rate indicates that somebody was doing some inspection. Somebody was finding these defects. Whether they were out of parameter. ..that doesn't mean that the weld itself, in toto, is only
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So unless you look at the total picture as to whatf all these rejects were, you'd probably find that there is a scattered amount of each type of defect.
As ((<, I think it was a crack that they had in one of the welds that the Westinghouse engineer found. Brown and Root didn't find it.
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and it looked like absolute chegs. T hanging from their operator 7 from( -whTch* hezg ve,rp*VAdves iP h no-no there was no caps on the M A Fr there waso+4s N pouring concreta,agg,s,plashing it all over the place, g
they had water lykg-an and out of pipes, concrete water, there was dirt all over everything, and right in the middle of the whole thing sits a welding inspector. E'#1",4y A NMN2 Q: Mc. Did you write it up?
As dhCI went over and I got hold of Pat Clark, his boss, and went up one side and down the other. The problem is, his boss isn't going down to check on him and see what he's doing. He had been 6 in there all morning, sitting in the middle of the same general disaster area, and I think an inspector is obligated to go down and look at more than his little two inches of weld, if there is caps of f of pipes, if there is dirt and crap in the lines, if there is people dumping concrete all over, if there's things hanging from the valve operator whero there not supposed to be, he's obligated to get it rectified.
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