ML20215H643

Pages 2,250-2,252 to Transcript of 870331 Hearing

ML20215H643
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Site:	Shoreham File:Long Island Lighting Company icon.png
Issue date:	03/31/1987
From:	Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel
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3580 18 18 2250 g swalsh 1 JUDGE FRYE: Go ahead, Mr. Zahnleuter.

2 BY MR. ZAHNLEUTER: (Continuing) 3 Q My questions pertain to Page 36 of your 4 testimony, where at the top of the page after Footnote 9 you j 5 state, "Similarly, techniques such as requiring turn 6 movements and otherwise prescribing traffic flow (see 7 Appendix A, Table XII) depend upon LILCO's traffic guides 8 being able to be in place to enforce the prescribed f

9 movements for all evacuating vehicles. Trying to establish 10 them effectively , after an evacuation is already in 11 progress, would be difficult, if not impossible."

12 Why would trying to regulate traffic flow after

() 13 an evacuation is already in progress be difficult if not 14 impossible?

f 15 A (Witness Michel) If you don't have your traffic 16 cones and barriers and the things you are going to use to 17 effect these type of plans in place before the areas become

, 18 congested, it's virtually impossible to establish it in the 19 middle of traffic congestion.

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I 20 (Witness McGuire) Or, it's very, very i 21 dangerous. 'For instance, getting on to the LIE and trying i 22 to block off a lane of traffic -- what, two lanes?

23 (Witness Michel) One lane.

24 (Witness McGuire) One lane of traffic and, you i

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3580 18 18 2251 oewalsh I would the person be in danger, so would anybody driving 2 behind him.

3 (Witness Michel) I think all of us here have 4 had some experience policing traffic at various scheduled 5 events where we anticipate a lot of traffic. Demonstrations 6 at the Shoreham plant come to my mind, where I've had 7 substantial experience. Rock concerts at the Parr Meadows 8 Racetrack, the opening of Parr Meadows Racetrack.

9 And, if you don't get in there early and get a 10 handle on things before traffic begins to congest, you 1

11 simply lose it. A good example is, we intended to restrict 12 parking in the vicinity of Parr Meadows for a particular 13 . event and we posted the area .ith No Parking signs. Some of 14 the first arriving people tore down the No Parking signs, 15 and before we could got enough policemen in there peoplo had 16 parked all over the place.

17 You just have to plan those things in advance.

18 You have to get in early, and you have to got in with enough 19 equipment, enough barriors, enough personnel to accomplish 20 what you intend to accomplish or it doesn't work.

21 0 Does that completo your answor?

22 A (Witness Roberts) I think it goes a little

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.3 0 Are those traffic control points?

4 A Yes, sir, over in the north corridor. Revision 5 7 would direct the lead traffic guide at Port Jefferson to 6 load a truck and assign certain guides and make sure that he 7 gets that truck and its equipment out there within an hour, 8 within an hour, if during a week day and 45 minutes at any 9 other time. ,

i 10 It's totally unacceptable. It wouldn't work, it l 11 can't work.  !

12 MR. ZAHNLEUTER: If that completes your answer, 13 that completes my questioning.

14 JUDGE FRYE Thank you, gentlemen. We will see ;

15 you in the morning then at 9 a.m.

16 MR. PIRFO: The Staff has no questions.  !

17 JUDGE FRYE: The Staff has no questions. All i 18 right.

19 (Whereupon, the hearing is adjourned at 5:12 20 p.m., Tuesday, March 31, 1987, to reconveno at 9 a.m.,

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