ML20087F057

Responds to Re Allegation 4-91-A-0052 Concerning Unauthorized Disposal of Nuclear Matls

ML20087F057
Person / Time
Site:	Comanche Peak
Issue date:	10/18/1991
From:	Dow S DISPOSABLE WORKERS OF COMANCHE PEAK STEAM ELECTRIC
To:	Murphy M NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION IV)
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Jg99.s/,ma i Disposable Workers of Comanche Peak Steam Electric Station .,

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U.S. Office:

8775 Norwin Ave. Suite 178, h

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1078 Wellington, #135 North Huntingdon PA.15642 Ottawa, Ontario K1Y 2Y3 NRC Criticized Sandra Leng Dow Richard E. Dow Jr.

%under & Chief becutive Officer Director, Public Relations October 18, 1991 Michael E. Murphy Allegations Coordinator .

U.S. Nuclear Regulatory commissicn Region ~IV Headquarters 611 Ryan Plaza Drive Arlington, Texas 76011 Ret Allegation No. 4-91-A-0052

Dear Mr. Murphy:

In response to'your letter of 4 October, 1991, I have a great deal of problems with it, as well as some reiterations that need to be made.

How can you consider a matter closed' that has, yet, to be addres -

sed?- The report you refer to states with a clarity that Mr. Lopez did not conduct any interviews of the witnesses, nor did he go to Ira-dell, only, that he attempted-- to obtain some materials f rom me, and was refused,.and that he was denied access to my home. My complaints to your_ office had'nothing to do with uy home,.therefore this complaint is.still unaddressed.

Mr. Lopez contacted me by telephone, and stawed he knew nothing about any referral-from the NRC, and then we discussed my complaints in detail. That conversation was taped, and I enclose a transcipt of it for your information. I request that you pay special attention to the portion wherein we are discussing toxics and radioactivity, and note that he is incomplete agreement with me.- But there vas-no on-site. inspection' conducted.

With regard to your last paragraph in your letter to me, let me paraphrase it in more apropos terms: "You vere responsive (i.e. you wrote me a letter), however, you were irreponsible with regard to my concerns (i.e. you failed to even address them). You take your safe-ty-responsibilities to the public very seriously (i.e. on the reports l

of the-public, when viable, and involving Comanche Peak, you vill bury

them as deeply and as quickly as you can, in order that C .P .S .E .S .

l vill not have its license in jeopardy) and [yes] you will continue to do so within [or without] the bounds of your unlawful, and usurped in-l i

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' authority, which are, in my opinion, boundless."

By copy of this letter, I am so informing Chairman Selin of the -i U.S. Nuclear legulatory Commission in Washington. In closing I would remind you_to look at the last three vords of paragraph 3 of your let-ter to me. . I expect, and demand, further action on this complaint. .

Sincerely, l

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SA"4DRA LONG DOW , C E 07' D . W . C . P . S . E . S . .

Enclosure cci Hon. Ivan'Selin, Chairman David C. Williama U'.S. Nuclear. Regulatory Com. Inspector General 11555 Rock Pike- U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Com.

Rockville, Maryland 20852 11555 Rock Pike Rockville, Maryland 20852 Lawrence-J._ Chandler, Esq.

= Assistant General Counsel for Hearings & Enforcement.

U.S.-Nuclear Regulatory Commission 11555 Rock Pike Rockville,1 Maryland 20852 s

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j uv U " i TRANSCRIPT OF TELEPHONE CONVERSATION n .WITH JOSE LOPEZ OF THE- . _j l l

,' TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. "

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Bureau of Radiation Control

June 4, 1991 I

h(PHONELRINGS) l'. : LOPEZ: Ah, Mrs. Flanagin?

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3.- FLANAGIN ' Yes. -;

L4.:

. --5 '. LLOPEZ1 _This;is Jose Lopez. I'm with the Bureau of-Radiation-Control-6.

7..:for-the State of: Texas.

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9.7 FLANAGIN

1 Yes: sir.

11 0.

illt LOPEZ: I'm' investigating, ahh,'your, ahh, complaint, 'ahh, (pause) ,

112. < '

• il3.; that you-put,-_ahh, (pause) with the.NRC on

! 14. .

-15. . FLANAGIN = Yes, with Mr. Murphy, (pause) with-Mike Murphy?

16. *

17.1 (LOPEZ:; Okay,.ahh- _

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19. FLANAGIN: Yes?-

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21. .LOPEZ: I have that.name here. I don't know who, who is'he with?

l22.

33.' FLANAGIN: ' Mike Murphy'c vith the Nuculatory 24' =

f;25. .. - LOPEZ :: ' Okay. - '

26. -

Regulation (pause) [ speech error)

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l27._ c FLANAGIN_ :

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729.: LOPEZ: Okay. Somebody else called me, but who, ahh, okay, ahh, -I 130 L E : 31. . haveL his number.-

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L33. . . Fim?AGIN :, Maybe Dwight--(pause) Was it Dwight Chamberlain that called

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[35.: yea?:

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37. LLOPEZ:- No,,it was Bob Dowda (word unclear], but-he, he's our, the F c38.

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liason with the State,.so I'm, I'm-(pause), I'm-sure that, ahh,.he 4 0 .-

" 41. .: went through__the right channels.

42.

--43. FLANACIN: Alright.

44.-

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45. LOPEZ: Ahhi um.- Can you; explain to me a little bit of what, what 46.-

14 7 . you;saw, what.you know? (pause) Ahh, um, I'm going to try to do iLOPEZ' TRANSCRIPT -1 i'

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1. LOPEZ : - (continued ) ahh, ahh, a survey of the area (pause) and I want 2c

3. to know a little bit more about what , ahh (pause) 4.

5. FLANAGIN: 'Uhuh.

6.

7. LOPEZ: What, ahh, what 8.

9. FLANAGIN: You haven ' t, you haven ' t talked-to, ahh, to Linda Porter 10.

11. today?

12.

13. LOPEZ: No, L'inda Porter. Who'e 14.

15. FLANAGIN: She, ahh, also had . ions /ith, ahh, the 16.

'17. Nuclear, with-Lhe NRC, the Nuclear Ocmmission in Arlington.

18.

19. LOPEZ: Involving, ahh, the same L 10.

21. FLANAGIN: Right.

22.

23. LOPEZ: No, I, I don't know, ahh.

24,

25. F LAN AGIN : Okay.

26.

27. LOPEZ:- Is she a neighbor or (pause)

28. .

29. FLANAGIN: No, no. (pause) Ahh (pauso) . Okay, let's see. (pause) 30.

31. LOPEZ: Okay, what are the allegations?

32.

33. FLANAGIN: Ahh, (pause) the allegations are [ spoken very slowly) 3 4. ;

35. there vere materials brought to a ranch-in Iredell, Texas.

36.

37. LOPEZ: Uhuh. (pause)-What kind of materials?

-38.

39. - FLAN AGIN : Ahh, the neighbors report, ahh (pause) that they were

-40.

41. chemicals, (pause) brought to the sight, ah, once a week for, well 42.

43, this was Icst year when I first found out for the two previous years.

44.

45. Ahh, that the ranch used to 46.

47. LOPIZ: Once a veen, did you say?

48.

49. FLANAGIN: Yes, once a week, 50.

51. LOPEZ: Once a week.

52,

53. FLAN AGIN : They came every week with the trucks from TU, (pause) from LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT

1. FLANAGIN: (continued) (pause) Comanche Peak.

2.

3. LOPEZ: Uhuh. (pause) 4.

5. FLANAGIN: Nov, I don't Pnov what that meant. If it was a solvent 6.

7. truck, or if it was just, ah (pause) 8.

9. LOPEZ: They didn't say if it was barrels?

10.

11. FLANAGIN: Right, they did not say. (pause)And, ah, that materials 12.

13 were poured up or buried or something. There was some type of 14.

15. activity at this ranch, (pause) involving chemicals.

16.

17. LOPEZ: This is the Bishop, ahh, Ranch?

18.

19. FLANAGIN: This is, ahh, (pause) I, I don't actually know how the 20.

21. deed is recorded, if it's Bishop or if it's Dunn, D-U-N N.

22.

23. LOPEZ: D-U-N-N? '

24.

25. FLANAGIN: Chuh, 26.

27. LOPEZ: And

28. '

29. FLANAGIN: Yas?

30.

31. LOPEZ: And where abouts is, ah, this ranch?

32,

33. FLANAGIN: Okay, it is south of the, ah, Comanche Peak area. (pause) _

34,

35. If you were to go south on 51 from Chalk Mountain (pause) and then go 36.

37. LOPEZ: South on 51?

38,

39. FLANAGIN: South of Chalk Mountain. Well, ah, from Glen Rose you 40.

41. go south on 51 and you pass Chalk Mountain on highway 51. Then you 42,

43. would go 44.

45. LOPEZ: I, I thought Chalk Mountain, ahh, Chalk Mountain was on 57.

46.

47. FLANAGIN: Is it 67 or 51? [asking John Flanagin]

48.

49. J.FLANAGIN: It's 67.

50.

51. FLANAGIN, I, ahh, I'm sorry it is 67, yes.

52.

53. LOPEZ: Chalk Mountain?

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1. 2 FLANAGIN - Ahh, yes. Highway 67, you would, you would go south 2.

3. and then when you come to the, ah, there's a crossroads, you could 4.

5. go left to Hico.

6.

7. 'LOPEZ: Uhuh.

8.

~9. FLANAGIN - Or ea , or uh west, is that vest or' east? [asking John 10.

11. Flanagin] _ We , east to Hico and then you come to a dead end.

12.

13. LOPEZ: You,-you go towards, ah Hico? '

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-15. FLANAGIN: Uhuh, yes sir.

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17. LOPEZ: Okay.

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19.- FLANAGIN: Then the road will dead end into a stop sign and you need 20.

21. to go either, go left or right. If you would go to the left, then 22.

23._ that would go, take you north a little ways, about 10 or 12 miles 24.

25.- to Iredell.(long pause)

26.

.27. LOPEZ: Okay. (pause) And, and, ahh, the ranch is, ah, where abouts 28.- ,

29.- in Iredell?

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31. - FLANAGIN _ Alright, as y7u come into town nov, -there is a bank on

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33. the:right before-you_get to the flashing light in town.

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35. -LOPEZ:1 Yes.

-36.

37. .FLANAGIN: There's a bank on the right. hand side.- I believe it's 38.

39. .now insolvent. Ahh, there is a road between the bank and the store 40.

e41. Lon the right hand' side. (pause) And if you'vould turn right at that 42.

14 3 .. road, (pause)

44. .

l 145, .LOPEZ: Uhuh'.

E 46.

l -47. -FLANAGIN: And'it vill vind around for almost a mile. (pause) The 4 8 . ..

49. - property vill'he on the right hand side. The first property that 50.

~S1. -you come to is Mr.-McCoy. Ahh, he is still employed by, ahh, at 52.

53. . Comanche Peak.

LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT ~4-

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-1. LOPEZ: Okay.

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3. FLANAGIN: It's on the left. Did I say right? It's on the left.

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5. Ahh, then the second entrance on the left is the property. (pause) 6.

'7. And there are-3 entrances, or 3 gates that go, ah,-you know that lead 8.

9. into the property. (pauss) The first lane leads dcun tc a brick home 10.

11. where no one lives.(pause)

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13 . - LOPEZ - Firat, first gate goes to a brick home?

-14.

15. FLANAGIN:. Yes, you go down and there's a brick home that's been 16 . -

17. abandoned.

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19. LOPEZ: Okay.

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21. 'FLANAGIN - .There's a, a fallen down shed behind the house where the u 22.

23. old man used to, ahh, raise hydrophonic tomatoes. (pause) Ahh, but 24.

25. the pond where (pause) I took water samples, you have to turn right 26.

27. once you got all the way nearly to the house. There's an open field 2 8.- ,

29. where you would turn to the right and go down just a little ways, 30.

31. -probably about half a mile, and there is this stagnet pond-there.

-32.

33. (pause).And, that's where I obtained materials in a glass jar.

34.

35. LOPEZ:- okay.

36.

37. -FLANAGIN: Thinking there, you know, thinking they just contained 38.

39. chemicals [ sigh of disgust) 40.

41. LOPEZ: Have you had that water analyzed?

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43. FLANAGIN: The water [ deep sigh], I do not have possession of at this 44.

, 45. timc. I sent it with a friend to Washington.

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! -47. LOPEZ: Uhuh.

l 48.

49. FLANAGIN: Ahh, he took it to the Nuclear Information Resource Services 50.

I 51. Center in Washington.

5.2 . -

5 3 .- LOPEZ: Uhuh.

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1. 'FLANAGIN: They, ah, gave him 2 different types of instruments that 2.

3. measure radioactivity.

4.

5. LOPEZ: Uhuh.

6.

7. FLANAGIN: One was an audio and the other was just a meter.

8.

9. LOPEZi Chuh.

10.

11. FLANAGIN: Alright. And both instruments did, ah, react. (pause) 12.

13. Also, there were soil samples in there. Ah, they were soil samples 14.

15. from the property, and then also 16.

17. LOPEZ: They gave you, you k;ow, did they give him a reading 18.

19. themselves? Did the people that provided the instruments give a 20.

21. reading?

22.

13. /LANAGIN: Okay. The reading on the, on the LA.

25. LOPEZ: On the water jar.

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27. FLANAGIN: Right. Nov on the jar, was a continuous beep.

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29. LOPEZ: Yes, but did they have a reading?

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31. FLANAGIN: The nading, the reading. Okay, firr', they put it to 32.

33. the soil. Now, I'm not uure if, if the water was hot and not the 34.

35. soil.

36, 37.- LOPEZ: Uhuh.

38.

39. FLANAGIN: And they were' carried together in the car then could that 40.

41. contaminate? That would be my question. Ah, what, what they did 42.

43. first was they put the, ah, instrunents to the soil.

44.

45. LOPEZ: Uhuh.

46.

47. ELANAGIN: And it measured, it began to measure and it vent like to 48.

49. an 8. Then, 50.

51. LOPEZ: Did'they, did

52. -

53. FLANAGIN: The audic machine began like a " beep, beep, beep". Then i

LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT _ - - _ - _ _ - - _ - - _ _ - - _ _ - _ _ - _ _ - _ _ - _ - _ _ - _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ - _ _ _ _ _ _ - _ ___ __

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1._ LOPEZ: Did they

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3. FLANAGIN: they began to open the lid on the jar of water.

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5.. L LOPEZ: Uhuh.

~6.

7.2 FLANAGIN

The ah, machine jumped from 8 to 16 in less than 30

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9. seconds and the audio was just a continuous beep. (pause) And

- 10.

11. . they never took'the lid completely off--it was just as they began 12.

13. - to-un 14.

15 . - LOPEZ: Who were _these people doing this, this 16.

,17 . FLANAG!N: (t.gh) (pause) 18.

19.: LOPEZ: The, the reason I'm asking is cause, ahh, usually radiation,-

20.

21. _you _._can detect i t ,- ah, even through the glass of water. I mean through 22.

23. the glass of the jar.

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25. FLANAGIN: Right. Uhuh.

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27. LOPEZ: So, it 2 8. - _

29.. FLANAGINt- Absolutely, that's what I'm saying._ It probably was 3 0. .

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-[ radioactive] because of the, you know, they were getting. The soil

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33. - was1right there in, in a-container next to the jar of water, so that's

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-35. what'I'm saying. Is that what they were getting? [ radioactive 36.

37. ; reading from. vater samples) 38.

'39. LOPEZ: Did anybody_g'ive you a reading. "> r the people that did the,-

40.

41.I the you know, a reading, _ meaning in most instruments.that'I use for, 4 2. -

4 3 '. =for detection of radiation have to be calibrated.

_4 4 .

45.- FLANAGIN: Uhuh.

46.

47. - LOPEZ: So,-that ah, you know, we, we can, we can tell whether,. ahh 48.

'49. - the activity is, ah, you knov lov, medium or high'[ radioactivity]

50.

51. - FLANAGIN: Uhuh.

52.

153. LOPEZ: or-whatevver it is, you know.

'LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT

1. FLANAGINi Yeah, certainly.

~2.-

-3.- LOPEZ:- You know, whatever it is.

4.-

5.3 FLANAGIN

Certainly.

6.

7.- LOPEZ: Did they give any kind of a reading?

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9. FLANAGIN: Well, now that, ahh, you know, ah, ah, I was not 10,

11. present for the reading.

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' 13 . LOPEZ: Okay.

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15. FLANAGIN: All I, all I am witness to is that the materials were

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17 . - .taken from there.

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19...LOPEZ: Okay.

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21. FLANAGIN . And that my arm is number, my hair is falling out again.

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-23.- -I, my hormones are completely out of vack, out of sinc again. I have

'24.

2 5. -had diarrhea,-'I've lost about 15 pounds since the lith of May and I'm 26.

27. just, yoit knov

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,29. :LOPEZ:- The lith of May of-this year?

-30.

-31. FLANAGIN: Yes, that's when I vent out and obtained these samples.

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-33. The1 vater samples and the soil samples to take 34.

35. LOPEZ:L -I t , would.this be considered, were you trespassing?

.36.

37. FLANAGIN: Absolutely not._ There vere no, ah, when I 38.

'39.

LOPEZ: Uhuh. .,

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! ~41. - FLANAGIN:- When I discovered the property last year 42.

43. LOPEZ: Uhuh.

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145.: FTANAGIN: 'There vere some no trespassing signs. . However, the 46.

' 47, neighbors-vere the ones who gained, you know, ah, allowed us to

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49. gain access. They actually took me onto the property. The neigh-5 0. -

,- 51. bors in,-in the area and ah, but when I vent this time, there L 152.

i 53. ~ vere no signs ~of "no trespassing".

The gate was open. There was a

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1. FLANAGIN: (continued) lock there, but it was off and there was 2.

3. someone there bu11 dozing.

4.

5. LOPEZ: And, they didn't mind you going in there?

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7. FLANAGIN: No, I mean, we were not stopped. Absolutely not.

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9.- LOPEZ: Well.

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11. FLANAGIN: I drove right up onto the property, put these samples 12.

13. in the trunk of my car. So, if they're radioactive, now my car is 14.

15. radioactive. Plus, my shoes I wore out to the property, and my 16.

17. home is, I guess, you know. [ contaminated) 18.

19. LOPEZ: Well, it, it vould depend, ah, really on, ahh, (sigh) 20.

21. on the extent of, ah, contamination if there was some

-2 2.

23. FLANAGIN: Right, vell the only thing that I know is that, that 24.

25. something is really serious enough that the EPA would be covering 26.

27. it up and telling us not to ever go out there again. And the

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-29. Criminal Investigative Unit of the FBI is telling us not to ever go 30..

31. out there again. Now, if they had kindly told me that they 32.

33. suspected radiation, which I never dreamed, I would never have 34.

35. exposed myself to thic!

36.

37. LOPEZ: Yes.

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39. FLANAGIN: Never! '

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41. LOPEZ: But, ah, who said that, ahh, suspected radiation? The, what 42,

43. I'm trying to get, to find out 44.

45. FLANAGIN: Well, a reading on a radiation monitor is suspecting 46.

47. radiation.

48,

49. LOPEZ: Okay. Because the, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to get more

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51. information. I mean is that most soils 52.

53. FLANAGIN: Uhuh.

LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT . _ _ - _ . _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ - _ _ - _ - _ -

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1. LOPEZ naturally contain some, some radioactivity.

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3. ~? LANAGIN: Okay.

-4, 5.- LOPEZ: - But , by, by doing ahh, a good , ahh, analysis 6.

~-7. FLAHAGIN: Uhuh.

~B.

9.- LOPEZ: we can determine what kind of ahh, what kind of radio-10.

11. activity and if,.If that's a man-made, ahh, radiation, 12.

- 13. .FLANAGIN: Uhuh. *

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15.- LOPEZ: or if'it's natural

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- 17.' FLANAGIN: Well.

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19. LOPEZ: because that's necessary to determine -

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21. - FLANAGIN: R ig h t ', well I

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23. -L0PEZ: that with'our instruments.

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25. FLANAGIN - Right'now, ahh (sigh) 26,

27. -LOPEZ But, I'm, ahh, just trying to gather information.

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' 2 9 . -- FLANAGIN: Sure, absolutely, absolutely.

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4 31.- LOPEZ: When I go,- you know,'I,ahh, I don't-vant somebody punting, 32.

33, pointing a shotgun'at me or somethingn like that, you know, ahh.

34, 3 5. - :I-vanna see what k'.d of-authority, ahh, I would need to get into 3 6 . .-

37. .the property whether I need a, ahh,-ahh, ahh, a warrant or what.

38.

39. FLANAGIN : Well, now there' are people digging out there and, as I

40. -

41. said, ahh, a year ago 42.

'43. LOPEZ: ~ Yes.

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45. ' 'FLANAGIN

There. vere signs of, 46.

4 7 .- LOPEZ: Uhuh.

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4 9 .- - FLANAGIN : but the neighbors carried me to gain access to the

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51. property and, 52.

53. LOPEZ: The ones who alleged that there was the activity going on LOPEZ' TRANSCRIPT- .-

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1. -LOPEZ: (continued ) about the, the excavating and about the, the 2,

3. burying of the materials. Is that the McCoy Ranch?

4.

5.- FLANAGIN: No, this was, who was that? Mr. Boyd, W.E. Boyd and  ;

6.

7. Dan Jackson. Now, whnt -I can tell you for certain is that all of 8.

9. the neighbors do have health problems. Ahh, the Ovens that live 10.

11. .directly behind the property and closest to the water. Ah, she has 12.

13. had skin cancers sinct she built her home there. Ahh, when she sent 14.

15. her water, drinking vater off to be sampled, the test results never 16.

17. came back, so just to be sure, they don't drink the water, but they 18.

19. do bathe in it.. her, ahh, 15 year old son has very serious bronchial 20.

21. asthma. Ahh, a 4H project that he had in school where he ra' sed

' 22.

- 23.- chickens (pause) they died. Ahh, there are, there were armadillos 24.

25.- out there that vent belly-up and armadillos, from all the research-26,

27. that I've done, carry leprosy. So, if - it they're not next to a

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29. . Texas highway what would be making them go belly-up, what would L30.

31. be making-them die? Also, the, ahh, the townspeople were told, 32.

-33. ahh, this was-a very, ahh (pause), well this was a center, ahh

'34, 35.- at one time it was a deer lease.- And they were told as-late as, ahh

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'37. Fall of;1987 that no one could, ahh, you know, lease it for deer 38,

39. hunting' anymore becau,se chemicals were being brought in and poured t

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41. up there and it would no longer be safe. Ahh, cattle, they used to

! -42.

L 43.- ' lease part or it out for cattle, ahh, to run on and I saw half a L 144.

l 45.- dozen cattle hea head of cattle bones there, which, upon my return l '46.

l 47. on May the lith, the bones are gone. Now, I did report to Don L 4 8. -

l 49. -Wyrick at the Texas Water Commission last Juner that I had water

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f 51. . samples.last June and that there were dead cattle bones last year

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53. and that, ahh, the people had reported these problems. That the l

LOPEZ TRANSCRIPT l

1. . FLANAGIN: (continued). neighbors had bleeding gums and were sick and 2.-

3.- had these skin cancer problems and things and (pause) they chose not

.4.- '

' 5.: to look-into it.

6.

J7 . LOPEZ: Yeah.

g, 19 '.- FLANAGIN: So, ahh you knov at that time I was just alleging that 10.

-11. there vere some type of chemicals there, whether it be something

-12..

13. that were poured up, something that was buried. (pause) '

14 . .

" 15 . LOPEZ You know, because of the nature of the, the date, the

.16 .

17 deadline. I mean when they, when they started bringing the material.

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19~. 'FLANAGIN: Yes.

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21. LOPEZ: You know, I'm, I'm suspecting from what you say that they 22, 23.l are definitely some, ahh, chemicals. Ahh, (pause) to what extent, 24.

25. ahn, they may contain radioactivity , I'm not really positive.

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27. - FLANAGIN: Absolutely. Now, I will tell you for a certainty that

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29. some other-materials that I have, ahh, done some investigative work

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.on, and only inimy spare time, some other materials that were nuclear 3 2. '

n 133.' coatings from the power planti specially formulated from the power 34.-

i35. plant, vere exposed to some type of, or stored with some type-of 26.

l 37. . radioactive material at the plant. 'And these materials ended up

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139 , inithe1 hands of-the ppblict-(pause)

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41. LOPEZ

- Wh, What1 kind of material was that?

42.

43.- FLANAGIN: Ahh, nuclear coatings that were anywhere from 2 to 11 l ;44.

L45. ' years out of shelf' life date.

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47.. 'LOPEZ: . Well, what is nuclear coating?

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49.- FLANAGIN: Okay.

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51.- LOPEZ: It sounds more like paint, that paint 52.

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3. It contained' lead,-asbestos 4 '. -

5. LOPEZ: Yeah, that's what I mean. They use it to, to, ahh, (pause) 6..

7 . -- to shield tht. flo, ahh 8.

'9. FLANAGIN: Right,-to contain the radiation.

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11. :LOPEZ: Yeah, and, but it, it itself does not-have radiation in it.

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13. FLANAGIN: Absolutaly. But-if it were stored

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-15.--LOPEZ: And, it is'a pretty, ahh, toxic 16.

17. FLANAGIN: Right.

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23.' LOPEZ: as.I understand it.

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25. .FLANAGIN - But, if it were-stored with some, ahh, say "nucient fuel" l 26,

27. (pause)

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29. LOPEZ: Yeah.

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31. LFLANAGIN: It could possibly become contaminated, could it not?

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-33. -LOPEZ:. Well, they, the thing is that, ahh, Comanche : Peak, ahh, 34.

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37. on line.

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139.: FLAltAGIN: Right, surp-you know that's what 40.

41.- LOPEZ: [ conversation unintelligible) 42.

43. - FLANAGIN: I believed too, but, ahh, now I found out-that, ahh,

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45. Rancho Seco the south,'their-project, one of Brown & Root's projects 46.

47. in South Texas 48.

_49. 'LOPEZ: Uhuh.

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1.- FLANAGIN: (continued) for Comanche Peak to eventually become a fuel 2..

3. recycling, to recycle something out of the nuclear fuel, could 4.

5. possibly, ahh, they-have brought fuel from the South Texas plant 6.

7. and stored it at Comanche Peak because they didn't know what else 8.

9. to do with it?

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11. LOPEZ: Nc.

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13. FLANAG,IN: You-know, could that possibly be what happened?

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15. LOPEZ No,-I don't think 16.

( 17 . FLANAGIN: Uhuh.

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19. LOPEZ: I don't think so, 20.

21. FLANAGIN: Uhuh.

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23. LOPEZ: because we've been monitoring, ahh 24.

-25. FLANAGIN: Well, I will tell you this

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27. LOPEZ: [ conversation, but unintelligible)

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29. FLANAGIN - with a certainty. I am married to a 35 year old man who

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31, is dying and he was a nuclear coating, he was a painter at Comanche 32.

33. Peak.

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35,. LOPEZ: Uhuh.

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.37. FLANAGIN: and he was exposed to radiation at Comanche Peak.

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41. FLANAGIN: and he worked there for less than 2 years with a 1 year

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43. period off in between. And, he has hemolysis, which is a breakdown

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45. of the blood cells which is caused by radiation. (pause) And he

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47.- vorked in radiation areas without being cautioned about it. Areas 48.

49. Where he had to sign into the plant,. sign in and out of little rooms.

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51. And, he was not given a personal radiation detection device. So if

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1. FLANAGIN: (continued) in 1984 and 1985, why did people wear radiation 2.

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5. LOPEZ: The,-the only 6.

7, FLANAGIN: And, why did gay-husband have hemolysis?

8.

9. -LOPEZ: _ I,-I really think that 10.

11. FLANAGIN: And why is he dying for no good reason?

12.

13. LOPEZ,3 It appears'that those, aht. . that paint has.a lot of very 14.

15. toxic materials (TAPE RUNS OUT__ AT THIS POINT - VERY LITTLE FURTHER CONVERSATION)

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