ML20215E999

Transcript of 850731 Investigative Interview of a Jones in Dallas,Tx Re Mgt Analysis Co Rept.Pp 1-10

ML20215E999
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Site:	Comanche Peak
Issue date:	07/31/1985
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ORIGibAL UN11EU STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION .

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. INVESTIGATIVE IllTERVIEW .

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8 INTERVIEW OF 10-33 ANDY JONES 12 13

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MR. GRIFFIN: For the record, this is an  ;

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interview of Andy Jones, J-o-n-e .s, who is employed as 4

an attorney for Texas Utilities Electric Company.

8 3 The location of this interview i's 2001 Bryan a Tower, Dallas, Texas.

, , , The date is July 31, 1985,'and the 7 '

time is 3:50 p.m.

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Present at this interview are Andy Jones,

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11 This interview is being transcribed by a 12 court reporter.

13 Andy, I need you to stand and raise your ,, $.r. .

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right hand. I want to swear you to the contents of your 15 testimony.

16 Whereupon, 17 ANDY JONES, 18 having first been duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole 18 1

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21 EXAMINATION 22 i BY MR. GRIFFIN:

23 CL Before we get starced on the subject that ,

24 we're here to discuss, I want to discuss your relationship 7 25 with Mr. Wooldridge.

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. Ycu have the right l'n an intarylew with' l 2

the NRC to havo+.a representative if you choose to have one, s '. . 3 and that representative can be anybody, a friend, relative, 4

an attorney.

5 For purposes of this interview,.'did you 8

have any choice about who represented you? ~ '

7 L Yes.

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. G Did Bob convey to you what his standing was 9

in -relation to the .other facets of his employment and 10 relationship, other th'an to be your personal representative?

11 A .- .Yes, he did.

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3G Being an attorney yourself, I'm sure you ..

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_ have.an $ppreciation or understanding as far as NRC' is ' ' '

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15 it arise, coulh maybe put the prospective interviewee in a 16 difficult position.^' '

17 With all that in mind, is Mr. Wooldridge -

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your. personal representative for purposes of t'his hearing?

19 A Yes, he is.

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. 4 Andy, your present title as far as position 21 with the Utilities is that you're an attorney for the 22 Texas Utilities Electric Company; is that right?

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( ' ',- 24 O At the time the 1978 MAC Report was discovered g- 25 during.a prudence audit, you were working as a senior auditor

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4 1 for TUSI; is that correct? '

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. It's my understanding at the outset of this.

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. interview today that you're the one that located the MAC '

s Report during this prudence audit. Could you.give me a 7

narrative of what you were doing and how you ca'e m about 8

discovering this and what you did with it? ,

8 A Okay. In the course of the prudence audit, 10 ~

it was my responsibility to answer various document requests, 11 and I was in the office of Ecmer Schmidt on the 31st floor 12 of Skyway looking through some files that were in old 13

,_ . . .. .gardboard boxes, and I cam 6 across the MAC Report while 4,*[.].,)

14 I was;looking for other documents that pertain to questions'; :!(

15 that had been asked by Cresap.

16 0 Cresap being the consulting--

17 A Cresap being--it's a consulting firm; they're 18 prudence auditors.

And I don't kriow if you 'd describe them 18

.as gonsultants to us in this case or not; I don't think it 20 would be appropriate. -

21 But as part of the course of their audit of j 22 Texas Utilities and their construction of Comanche Peak, 23 they've asked us a wide variety of questions. And Scmer 24 Schmidt, who was my boss, had, indicated to me that he had -

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to find information that might be relevant, and so I did.

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And that's where I found the MAC Report.

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"'" 3 0 When you first discovered it, was it your 4

belief that it would impact if found on the prudence audit?

5 A Right. One of the areas that I was con -

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carned with as part of the prudency audit was third party 7 ~

evaluations of the Quality Assurance program. And that's -

8 why I picked it up.

9 G At the time that you discovered the MAC 10 Report, were you aware of the Intervenor CASE's 1980 11 request?

12 f A. No. .

,. G How did you come to find out about this

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34 9 Int,ervanor request and the relationship--potential relation-15 ship.between the.MAC Report and that particular requirement?

16 A Well, I'm not sure cf exactly when I found out that CASE had requested that document.

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, it was Dave Chapman that told me. -

19 G Okay.

' 20 Now going back, when you discovered the 4

document, what did you do with it?

22 A When I discovered the document I gave it to .

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Joe Knight who is a person that I was working with on the

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I A No; he's a consultant. He works with Gilbert Commonwealth.

G You,gave the MAC Report to him?

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G Do you remember any comments ab6ut it, as it came to the prudency audit? _

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A Well, really, I,gave him that piece of 1

paper and a bunch of other pieces of paper to valuate, 9 -

and at the time I gave it to him he didn't have any 10 particular comment.

11 G. Do you know what Knight did with the MAC I 12 i Report? ..

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happened was he and I eventually had an interview with a .

TUGCO employee, Bob Spangler, who's in the QA area, and at .that time we mentioned in the course of our conversation that the--that I had discovered a third party valuation, 18 the MAC Report, and he identified to me at that time that 19 he was concerned about the MAC Report. --

20 G In what sense?

21 A Well, he wasn't really very specific and 1 22 l I'm not certain that I remember exactly what his comments 23 were at the time.

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I whether his conc:rn was related to Intervenor's original 2 .

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'. A At that time I can't say that I really had 4

a true sense of what his concern was. It was through my 5

subsequent discussions with Chapman that Chapman identified a

to me that this was something that we needed to talk to '

7 Mr. Clements about'before we gave it to the prudency -

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8 0 Did you?

10 A I didn't talk to Mr. Clements personally,

. 11 but it's my understanding that Mr. Clements was made aware 12 of the fact that we had found the MAC Report and that it 13 per.tained to something that was relevant to cresap, McCormick . .

- 14 l and.Paget, their concerns, and that it was proposed to give 15 it to Cresap,'McCormick and Paget. '

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.Did you,have any further meetings, contacts 17 or discussions with anybody about the MAC Report?

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Well, I gave the--I talked to Chapman about 18 it, subsequent to my talk with Spangler and Chapman said 20 ,that he was concerned about it. -

21 So I went and talked to Tom Rose who is 22 a fellow who works with me on the prudency audit and you 23 might describe him as Homer Senmidt's right-hand man for 24 the purpose of the prudency audit. And eventually I 25 1

1.j talked to Homer about it and finally I gave the audit to I "4 e.'

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Homer, and Homer proposed that he would take it to Mr.

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3 are overseeing the prudency audit to evaluate.

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.with the Intervenor's request were from Chapman and maybe, 7 '

or maybe not, Spangler.

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about it was in relation to the prudency audit? .

to A. Right. Really, it was on the--I'd say 11 a good two weeks passed before I finally realized that 12

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party valuations, but no other reports that I remember 17 by MAC. .

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, A. Not that I remember specifically. I would 22 say no.

23 4 Have you ever heard anybody, or has anybody i 24 ever told you that MAC performed'OA programatic audits SI 25 for Brown & Root? J

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5 THE WITNESS: Okay. ,

6 BY MR. GRIFFIN:

7 S Did you have any involvement at all.with .

a the,zesponse to the Intervenor's request in 1980 for--their 9 request to produce?

10 A No.

11 4 I think before we'went on the record a while 12 ago you said you'd only had limited involvement with 13 , Comanche Peak, that you had had some other audit duties.

blJ,?)- >3 14 Woul.d,you briefly tell me in what area those audits were?-

15 A Yes. We audited the payroll system that ,

16 Brown. fr , Root uses, and (we being the Internal Audit Depart: hen t 17 at. .TUSI) and I also participated in audit of the vendor 18 whosuppliedthemajorportionofthiephysicalsecurity -

18 system at the plant.

20 , . G I think we've already covered this, but let 21 me ask'you again; at the time that the Licensing Division 22 of,TUGCO was formulating its response to Intervenor's 23 request in 1980, did you have any contact or interface 24 with the decision makers who formulated that response? .

i 25 A No. I was employed by Texas Electric .

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2 MR. GRIFFIN: Off the record.

3 IDis :ussion off the record.

4 MR. GRIFFIN: On the record. "

5 BY MR. GRIFFIN:

6 g Andy, do you have any other information 7

besides what we've already discussed that would shed any 8

light on the origins of why this report was withheld back 8

. in 1980, or how it came to be produced other than what 10 we've already discussed?

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,- or offered you any rewards in return for this statement? [;'i{ ,

14 A No. .

15 g Have you given the statement freely and 16 volul'itarily?

17 A Yes.

18 g Do you have anything else that you would 18 like to add to the record?

20 A No. .

21 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay; I appreciate your time.

22 THE WITNESS: Thanks.  ;

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