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Transcript of 850808 Interview of J George in Dallas,Tx. Pp 1-14
ML20215F125
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Issue date: 08/08/1985
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noth2ng but the truth-, so help you God?

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I would be aware that the Intervenor 19 requested a lot of information. I have been at the h 20 site all along. And that would be handled out of 9

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responsible for some o'f the duties to fulfill this 22 1 request, the Applicant's response to the Intervenor.

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Have 1 offered you any rewards in return t-24 tor this statement? '

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