ML20237L409
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| Site: | Comanche Peak  |
| Issue date: | 07/17/1986 |
| From: | Gilray J NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE) |
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UN11ED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION I
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INVESTIGATIVE INTERVIEW OF JOHN GILRAY i
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THURSDAY, JULY 17, 1986 i
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OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS 4
Office of Inspector & Auditor I
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Fourth Floor Conference Roo:o 7
Bethesda, Maryland 8
Thursday, June 17, 1986-9 The investigative interview convened at 12:00 noon.
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11 JOHN GILRAY, In'te rviewee 12 STEPHEN GOLDBERG
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13 Detailed Office of Inspector and Auditor 14 GEORGE MULLEY 15 Assistant Director for Investigations 16 Office of Inspector and Auditor 17 Nuclear Regulatory Commission 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 8
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PROCEEDINGS 2
MR. MULLEY:
The time is 12, Noon on the 17th'of 3
July, 1986.
4 We are at the conference room of the Office of 5
Inspector and Auditor, NRC, Bethesda, Maryland.
6 Present is Mr. John Gilray from I&E; myself, 7
' George Mulley, Assistant Director for Investigations, OIA:
8 Mr. Steve Goldberg, who is a Technical Advisor to OIA, and 9
the, court reporter, who is Mimie Meltzer.
10 We are here to' discuss information that I
11 Mr. Gilray has concerning conversations involving Comanche 12 Peak with Mr. Westerman from Region IV.
i 13 Mr. Gilray, before we begin, I would like to 14 swear you in.
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l 16 JOHN GILRAY 17 was called as a witness, and having been first duly sworn, i
18 was examined and testified as follows:
19 MR. MULLEY:
I would like now to turn the 20 interview over to Mr. Goldberg, so.he can outline for you 21 the conversations that Mr. Westerman discussed with us 22 during his interview last week.
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s 23 MR. GOLDBERG:
Last week George Mulley and myself 24 were present at an interview we held in Region IV.
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25 the course of the interview he made mention of a 1
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Mimie-1 conversation he had with you,. John.
He didn't say when it 2
was, but he did talk in terms of a sub,tantive s
3 conversation.
It concerned the control of records at the 4
Comanche Peak power plant.
Specifically the control of i
5 records during the design and construction phase.
6 He made several references to.the operative 7
Standard 45.2.9, which I believe was the 1973 version of the 8
standard.
He mentioned your name in terms of a contact in I
9 the Quality Assurance Branch that he us.ed in his review of 10 certain Inspection Reports that were concerned with 11 inspection of records at Comanche Peak.
1 12 What we need to know is your recollection of the
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14 THE WITNESS:
Okay.
I did have a conversation 4
15 with him.
The contents of that conversation I thought was 16 like I was a sounding board to give some personal opinions 17 of certain issues that were raised at the site.
18 What I can recall is that the resident inspector 19 and certain people under the resident inspector were 20 concerned with certain QA deficiencies associated with 21 records.
And Mr. Westerman was seeking from me an opinion I
22 on how severe those deficiencies were in my mind.
23 As well as I can recall, those deficiencies were 24 in the following areas:
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filing of records in the interim process prior to being 2
stored in a final storage facility.
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The second deficiency, as I recall, was in t
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regards to the construction of a final storage facility.
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In regards to the first deficiency, it appeared 6
that the problem was that the records were not bound in such 7
a way to preclude damage from the environment, such as 8
flooding and fire.
9 And my response was that I did not think that i
10 these records had to be protected from fire and flooding.
I 11 That my opinion in regards to records is such that though
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13 the, hardware itself in regards to it meeting design j
14 specifications and regulation requirements.
1 15 So the particular finding or deficiency expressed 16 by Mr. Westerman was such that it didn't constitute a 17 violation to their commitments in the SAR.
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19 Mr. Westerman was talking about the drainage of the 20 structure.
And I am not clear on this, but I think it was 21 that the facility was not constructed with floor drainage to 22 allow the flow of water into that drain, thus precluding 23 flooding of the storage facility.
24 My recollection on my response was that, yes, the 25 code alludes to drainage requirements.
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requirements are for consideration.to be imposed as needed.
2' That there is alternate methods that can-be used in lieu of 3
drainage.
4 That's all that I recall.
5 MR. GOLDBERG:
Okay.
6 Do you recall in your comments to him having in 7
front of you, or making reference to the operative ANSI 8
standard that would pertain in these two areas?
9 THE WITNESS:
I don't think I got out the 10' standard -- 45.2.9.you are. alluding to?
11 MR. GOLDBERG:
Yes.
12 THE WITNESS:
I don't believe I did.
13 MR. GOLDBERG:
A related question to that is, did 14 you at all ask Mr. Westerman to provide to you or discuss, 15 have information provided to "you about OA procedures 16 concerning records storage, records retention, things that 17 are plant documents that might further elucidate this area?
18 THE WITNESS:
I can't recall doing such.
19 MR. GOLDBERG:
Did you, in your discussions with 20 him, check to see what the QA program 5s might be for TUGCO 21 through the OA plan or its contractors or consultants such 22 as Stone & Webster or Chicago Bridge & Iron?
Did you make 23 any reference to those documents?
24 THE WITNESS:
No.
I don't think so.
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Do you recall when you had this ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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conversation with Mr. Westerman?
2 THE WITNESS:
It was at least three to four, weeks 3
ago.
4 MR. GOLDBERG:
Did he mention at all that you 5
might be contacted by OIA' at some future time?
6 THE WITNESS:
No.
7 I do recall, now since you are talking, that I 8
suggested that when people like your resident inspector, has 9
concerns along this line and they cannot be resolved at the 10 region, that the region and res'ident inspector be brought in 11 to NRR and the OA Branch whereby we could better understand 12 their concern and provide input regards to a position on
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13 whether their concern is valid or not.
14 MR. MULLEY:
Why did Mr. Westerman contact you 15 instead of somebody else?
16 THE WITNESS:
Well, I believe he was aware that I 17 had a good background in OA and was just seeking out some 18 advice from that type of source.
19 MR. MULLEY:
Did he venture forth with any of his 20 own views?
Or, did he try to get yob to support an opinion 21 that he had?
Or, were they just objective questions?
22 THE WITNESS:
Objective.
23 MR. GOLDBERG:
What is your impression of 24 Mr. Westerman in terms of your dealings with him in OA I
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Did you find that he has a good sense of OA?
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THE WITNESS:
Yes.
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2 In my experience with him, he 'is a creditable,'
3 dedicated individual that wants to do,the job right'and'was 4
seeking out forces to gain a better foundation to strike an 5
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MR. MULLEY:
You say this conversation, to your 7
recollection, occurred before three or four weeks ago?
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Would it have been four months ago
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13 THE WITNESS:
I don't think so.
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So it was a fairly revent 15 conversation?
16 THE WITNESS:
Yes.
17 MR. MULLEN:
We are talking about June?
Maybe 18 sometime in June?
19 THE WITNESS:
Early June.
20 MR. GOLDBERG:
Did he mention the Inspection 21 Report he was reviewing at the time had not gone out or had 22 gone out?
23 THE WITNESS:
No, I don't think it was related to 24 an Inspection Report.
I think it was related to allegations
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parties of the resident inspector.
2 MR. GOLDBERG:
So it is likely that this issue 3
had 'already been determined by him at this time and he was 4
contacting you relative to the allegations themselves?
5 THE WITNESS:
It is possible.
6 MR. MULLEY:
That's it.
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9 THE WITNESS:
No.
10 MR. MULLEY:
Thank you.
I 11 MR. GOLDBERG:
Thank you.
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l 16 Whereupon, 17 JOHN GILRAY 18 was resumed as a witness, and having been previously sworn, 19 was further examined and testified as follows:
20 MR. MULLEY:
We are back dn the record with 21 Mr. John Gilray.
We are reopening the record to consider an 22 additional input that Mr. Gilray has involving his earlier 23 testimony.
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the conversation, the last conversation that I had with 2
Tom Westerman.
3 Af ter giving the testimony, I recollect a 4
conversation that I had with Region IV back when.
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want to say it is at least a year ago, on a subject similar 6-to this, on records for Comanche Peak.
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they were, other than one of the subjects was on temporary i
9 storage of in-process records, transportation of them and 10 such.
11 MR. GOLDBERG:
Who was that conversation with?
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I'm no't sure.
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13 Tom, but I am not sure who it was.
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This was a year ago, you feel?
15 THE WITNESS:
I think it was at least a year ago.
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18 THE WITNESS:
Again, I think it was just seeking 19 out some advice from an individual knowledgeable in OA.
20 That's all I had.
21 MR. MULLEY:
Good enough.
22 MR. GOLDBERG:
Thank you, John.
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the investigative 24 interview was concluded.)
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CERTIFICATE OF OFFICIAL REPORTER This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION in the matter of:
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THURSDAY, JULY 17, 1986 were held as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript thereof for the file of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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