ML052270079

Transcript of Telephone Conversations at NRC Hq During the Millstone Alert Declaration on April 17, 2005 - Event Number 41607. NRC Bridge Tape 1, Side a, 9:31-10:18

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1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3

4 HEADQUARTERS OPERATIONS CENTER 5

6 TELEPHONE CONVERSATION(S) 7 RE MILLSTONE ALERT DECLARATION 8 OF APRIL 17, 2005 9

10 EVENT NO. 41607 11 NRC Bridge Tape 1, Side A, 9:31 - 10:18 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 information in this record was deleted 23 inaccordance with the freedOM of Intor*Tfloh Adt, exemptions --

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I 9 MR. PARTICIPANT: Is the licensee on?

10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. This is Mike 11 Gobeli, the Duty Officer at Millstone 3. I'm on the 12 line.

13 MR. KNOKE: Yes. They are connected. The 14 licensee should be on.

15 MR. MATTHEWS: Sam, why don't you lead the 16 questioning?

17 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry. I couldn't hear 18 that?

19 MR. MATTHEWS: I was going to suggest, Sam, 20 that you lead the questioning.

21 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Was that you, Dave?

22 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes. I'm sorry.

23 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thank you. And who do 24 we have on the line from the licensee, please?

25 MR. KNOKE: Michael Gobeli, are you there?

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9 1 MR. GOBELI: That's correct.

2 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Mike, this is Sam 3 Collins, the Regional Administrator. You have a 4 number of people on the line here from NRC Region I 5 and Headquarters.

6 MR. GOBELI: Okay. Well, we're on a 7 conference call with Region I Headquarters.

8 MR. COLLINS: Right. And that call is 9 being bridged through the Headquarters Operations 10 Officer. And I believe it's being recorded, which is 11 the normal course. (Inaudible) At this time.

12 MR. GOBELI: I understand we're on a 13 conference call and it's being recorded.

14 MR. COLLINS: Max, so could you brief us on 15 the status of the plant and the status of your 16 declaration of emergency, please?

17 MR. GOBELI: Millstone, Unit 3 is in mode 18 3 at zero percent reactor power. We were operating at 19 100 percent reactor power in mode 1. At 0829, we had 20 a main steam safety lift on the bravo steam generator.

21 It was a low pressure reactor trip with a safety 22 injection. We classified that as an alert at 0842.

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10 1 injection was terminated. Subsequent to that, bravo 2 steam generator's safety reseating, we had bravo and 3 charlie steam generators safeties lifted.

4 At one point, we had -- it was reported we 5 had five main steam safeties open. At our current 6 state, all the safeties have been reseated and we are 7 sitting here in mode 3.

8 And I have faxed the notification form 9 down. Other than the safety lifting, nothing was 10 unusual. All systems did function as required. And 11 that's all I have right now.

12 MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian in Region 13 1. What's RCS's pressure and temperature?

14 MR. GOBELI: RCS's pressure and 15 temperature? RCS's pressure is, let's see, 1955 and 16 stable. RCS's temperature T-Ave, I'm trying to read 17 their monitor. It's about five feet away. T-Ave 18 appears to be 555 degrees and stable.

19 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Are you -- this is Sam 20 Collins again. Thank you for that. Are you still in 21 the alert declaration at this time?

22 MR. GOBELI: Yes. We activated our station 23 emergency response organization. And we cannot 24 terminate that until they -- they terminate that from 25 the emergency operations facility. So, yes that is NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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11 1 correct. We are still in the alert declaration at 2 this time.

3 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

4 MR. HOLIAN: Is your safety injection 5 system still operating?

6 MR. GOBELI: Well I think it is -- we've 7 secured safety injection. That's correct, right?

8 Hang on. We'll give you an update on it then.

9 Normal safety injection has been secured.

10 We have one charging pump running. (Inaudible).

11 MR. ROWLEY: Normal charging?

12 MR. GOBELI: Normal charging in lock down 13 on the primary side. Yes. I think John had asked me 14 earlier if the reactor tripped functionally. All the 15 rods were in. All the rods tripped and no rods stuck.

16 So we secured the safety injection and we're on normal 17 charging lock down now.

18 - MR. COLLINS: Okay. Jim. Are you on the 19 line? Jim Wiggins?

20 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, Sam. I'm Jim Wiggins.

21 Yes, I am.

22 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

23 MR. WIGGINS: And Brian, I would suggest 24 that we get Bob Bores (phonetic) and Diane Screnci 25 bridged on the line here.

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12 1 MR. PARTICIPANT: Right.

2 MR. McGINTY: Yes. Sam, this is McGinty.

3 We'll need to -- once we get enough information from 4 the licensee, we should probably separate ourselves 5 once again. Understand -- and then we need to discuss 6 quickly whether or not we need to activate or not. We 7 have 30 minutes to do that.

8 But I'd like to understand -- it appears 9 that they have most of the conditions that would allow 10 them to secure -- to not be in an alert state any--

11 I'd like to understand how -- what conditions will 12 clear it.

13 This is to the licensee. Could you tell 14 me what the status the plant needs to be in in order 15 for you to no longer be in a declared emergency?

16 MR. GOBELI: You would like to know what 17 conditions we need to be in to terminate from the 18 alert?

19 MR. McGINTY: Yes.

20 MR. GOBELI: Okay. Please stand by.

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Ops Officer, are you on, 22 the line?

23 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I am.

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13 1 on the bridge? And Sam, the other thing that I'd --

2 MR. KNOKE: Diane and Bob who? Bores, B-O-3 R-E-S.

4 MS. MACNAMARA: Brian, Nancy MacNamara is 5 on the line. Is there something you'd like for me to 6 do?

7 MR. HOLIAN: Not right now. Just listen 8 in.

9 MS. MACNAMARA: Okay.

10 MR. TRAPP: Hey Brian, this is Jim Trapp 11 (phonetic). Just a question. Since we don't know the 12 cause for those five safeties opening, I mean, what--

13' what confidence do we have that that's not going to 14 occur again?

15 MR. HOLIAN: That's the right question.

16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sometime, if you have an 17 opportunity, I'd like (inaudible) you explain 18 (inaudible) radiological release.

19 MR. DYER: Brian, this is Jim. I presume 20 they're talking about safety reliefs.

21 MR. PARTICIPANT: SRVs (inaudible) 22 secondary stock.

23 MR DYER: That's what they said, at SRV.

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14 1 or, you know, there's no indication, I presume, that 2 they had any high pressure safety function or a 3 function of a safety valve needed to be executed in 4 this. It sounds like it was a relief valve kind of 5 thing.

6 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.

7 MR. DYER: They have four ADVs at Millstone 8 and the rest of the things that he's talking about are 9 safeties with no function to open -- no operator 10 function to open.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. But then, what 12 opened?

13 MR. PARTICIPANT: Maybe he's saying the 14 SRVs closed or not.

.15 MR. DYER: Sam, this is Jim. I think that 16 whatever this is, it's going to take a bit to sort it 17 out. And I was wondering if you would consider 18 getting residents in there and getting a -- getting a 19 core group of people in the instant response center in 20 Region 1, just to sort this out.

21 MR. COLLINS: Yes. I agree.

22 MR DYER: Okay. And I think, you know, 23 Brian, you need to gather a staff, okay?

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15 1 assign, you know -- either you go yourself or get a 2 Branch Chief in there and get a tech guy to handle 3 phones. And, you know, we need to straighten this 4 out.

5 Have you had any luck raising a resident 6 yet to get a resident in?

7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Jim, this is Max.

8 I'm on line.

9 MR. DYER: Okay. Where are you Max? Are 10 you at the station?

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, actually I'm in a 12 truck, on a cell phone. And I could turn around and 13 go back toward the station. I just came from Home 14 Depot, so that's kind of more toward the station.

15 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, Max. It's Brian. I'd 16 head into the station and get Silas or -- who's your 17 other resident there now?

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Kevin Mangan. Silas was 19 actually thinking of coming in today for the drain 20 down on Unit 2, so I would think he'd be in there.

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22 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. We need to get 23 somebody in there.

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20 MR. GOBELI: That's correct. (Inaudible) 21 MR. COLLINS: Licensee, are you still on 22 the line?

23 MR. GOBELI: Yes.

24 MR. COLLINS: Yes, he is. Okay. Good.

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18 1 identify yourself? What's your position at the -- on 2 the shift and where are you located?

3 MR. GOBELI: All right. This is Mike 4 Gobeli. I'm station Duty Officer at Millstone, Unit 5 3. I'm a shift technical advisor on Millstone, Unit 6 2, reporting to the affected unit. I'm in the control 7 room at Millstone, Unit 3 right now.

8 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Thank you.

9 MR. MATTHEWS: Jim and Sam? I think we've 10 -- this is Dave Matthews. We need to keep on track 11 with regard to -- and I'll trust Tim McGinty will keep 12 us on track with regard to a decision on activation.

13 MR. McGINTY: Yes. I think -- this is 14 Mcginty. I believe that most of the activities are, 15 in fact, under way. Sam, would you agree that we 16 should declare a monitoring mode for a response mode?

17 MR. COLLINS: Yes, I do.

18 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. This is Jim Wiggins 19 too. That seems a smart thing to do, Tim, considering 20 where we are with this.

21 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay. NRR concurs in that.

22 I will call Jim Dyer separately this morning on my 23 cell phone and see if he wants to get involved, Sam.

24 MR. COLLINS: Okay. David, would you also 25 be sure that Ellis Mershoff is aware?

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19 1 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes. I'll do both.

2 MR. COLLINS: He's not on the bridge now 3 and --

4 MR. MATTHEWS: No. And I don't know that 5 I need to get him there. But let me make sure both of 6 them are there.

7 MR. WIGGINS: No. Ellis needs a phone call 8 from the RA or someone. So we need to get him up.

9 MR. COLLINS: We can do that, Jim. We can 10 do that when we're in a position of doing it. But if 11 he's in a better position to make initial calls.

12 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes. Let me please call Jim 13 Dyer and Ellis. I'll let them know what's going on 14 and if they agree they need to get on the bridge, they 15 will. Or if you have to have separate communication, 16 we can make that happen.

17 MR. COLLINS: All right.

18 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay?

19 MR. McGINTY: Sam. This is McGinty. The 20 next thing I'd like to do is have the HOOs do their 21 procedure, where they would establish a person -- a 22 few individuals to maintain communications with the 23 licensee, but separate from most of the folks that are 24 currently monitoring this call.

25 MR. COLLINS: Agree.

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20 1 MR. McGINTY: Then we can have discussions 2 on NRC activities.

3 MR. COLLINS: Right. Yes. Brian, are you 4 going to head into the Incident Response Center?

5. MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian, Sam.

6 I'm about an hour away. So I'm holding on right now.

7 I have to borrow a car. I'm out in Redding at a 8 little league game. I can head in. I'm just checking 9 on Randy.

10 MR. LANNING: Sam? It's Lanning 11 (phonetic). I'm on my way in.

12 MR. COLLINS: Wayne's on his way. Okay.

13 Wayne, you can head up to the Incident Response 14 Center?

15 MR. LANNING: Yes. I'm going to drop off 16 the phone and hit the road.

17 MR. COLLINS: All right. And you know Matt 18 and Felicia are going to meet you in there?

19 MR. LANNING: Yes.

20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Jim, can you 21 coordinate from your end as far as continuity on the 22 phone. Because I'm a ways away and on my cell phone.

23 I'm not sure I can stay in constant contact. Are you 24 at home?

25 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, I'm at home.

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21 1 MR. COLLINS: Okay. You maintain 2 continuity until Wayne makes it in?

3 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Until we get somebody 4 in.

5 MR. KNOKE: Hi. This the HOO. We've tried 6 to contact Randy Blough and he has no response to his 7 cell phone or pager.

8 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Did you get Paul 9 Krohn?

10 MR. KNOKE: We're in the process of --

11 we're trying to get him. But we haven't got him yet.

12 MR. COLLINS: Okay. All right. So it's my 13 understanding -- let's just recap. My understanding 14 is that we're in the marking mode. Wayne is 15 responding to the Incident Response Center with 16 Felicia. Diane, are you on the line? Diane Screnci?

17 Do we have anybody from Public Affairs on the line?

18 MR. Participant: We've asked her to join, 19 Sam. We haven't heard from her yet.

20 MR. COLLINS: Okay. That's an IOU. We 21 need to get a loop back to them when we get the right 22 people available. And Bob Bores, are you on the line?

23 MR. BORES: I am.

24 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Bob. Will you take the 25 lead for state notification when we reach that point?

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22 1 MR. BORES: Sure I will.

2 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Jim, do we need 3 anybody at protective measures at this point?

4 MR. WIGGINS: I don't -- if it's true that 5 the valves are closed, I would think not. It's the 6 normal, you know, unless there's no attendance steam 7 generator, a tube rupture (phonetic), what you have is 8 the normal discussion about oh, you know, release out 9 of a steam generator with probably some background 10 amount leakage in it.

11 So I don't know if we need that. If it's 12 more a government liaison and public affairs piece and 13 reactor safety piece, I think Sam.

14 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Could we ask the 15 Headquarters Operations Officer to escort Ellis 16 Merschoff on a separate bridge. And then Jim, you 17 can brief him and get him up to speed?

18 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. That would be good.

19 MR. KNOKE: Okay. You want Ellis Merschoff 20 on a separate bridge?

21 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Thank you. And then--

22 then I'll call in to brief him.

23 MR. KNOKE: And-who will be the contact 24 he'll be talking to?

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23 1 Deputy Regional Administrator of Region 1.

2 MR. KNOKE: Okay. I will get him and I'll 3 try and put you both on a separate bridge.

4 MR. COLLINS: Okay.

5 MR. COLLINS: Brian, are you able to keep 6 fairly constant communication with the licensee from 7 where you are until Wayne comes in?

8 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, I am.

9 MR. WIGGINS: And then you can cover with 10 Wayne on the technical details at your end?

11 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.

12 MR. COLLINS: And Jim and I, between the 13 two of us, will handle the internal and external 14 notifications. Jim Trapp (phonetic), are you 15 available to get to the IRC?

16 MR. TRAPP: Yes, I can get there.

17 MR. FLOREK: Brian, this is Don Florek.

18 Felicia asked me to come in with her, so I'm leaving 19 right now too.

20 MS. PARTICIPANT: Hey Don. This is Nancy.

21 I'll go in. I am close her. I'll help her.

22 MR. COLLINS: Is Wayne still on the line?

23 MR. HOLIAN: Wayne has -- Wayne Lanning got 24 off of this phone, I guess. He might be getting off 25 of his cell phone. But he's on his way in, Sam.

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24 1 MR. COLLINS: Okay Brian, I'll let you 2 coordinate how many and what types of personnel you 3 need in there. But right now it sounds like you may 4 have three.

5 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.

6 (Whereupon, 2 minutes the conversation was 7 inaudible) 8 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry, John White. You 9 were breaking up, if that was you.

10 MR. WHITE: My question is, is there a need 11 for protective measures at the center at this time?

12 MR. PARTICIPANT: It doesn't look like it, 13 John.

14 MR. BORES: Can somebody else actually do 15 the government notifications? I'm on my way to the 16 airport right now to pick up someone.

17 MR. COLLINS: Did you say can somebody?

18 MR. BORES: Yes. Can somebody else pick it 19 up?

20 MR. COLLINS: We don't know, Bob. But 21 that's something for you to arrange. Right now we're 22 (Inaudible). Who would you suggest? You've got to 23 solve this problem for us. Otherwise, you know.

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25 1 notification there and say stay tuned.

2 MR. COLLINS: Jim Wiggins, are you still on 3 line?

4 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

5 MR. COLLINS: Jim, I think one question we 6 need to ask the licensee fairly soon, is whether they 7 think there's any unusual activity that would warrant 8 NSIR involved at lecensees any other type of 9 equipment.

10 MR. WIGGINS: I agree, Sam. I agree.

11 MR. COLLINS: All right. Do you want to 12 ask him? Do you want to get that? Do you want to do 13 it now.

14 MR. WIGGINS: If you don't mind, because 15 I'm on a cell phone and I'm not sure how long I'm 16 going to last.

17 MR. COLLINS: Why don't you just take the 18 lead on that line of questioning and the management of 19 the event for the Region. And I'll stay on as long as 20 I can. And then, within the next ten minutes, you and 21 I can decide how we want if one of us wants to go into 22 the IRC (inaudible).

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26 1 the government agencies. I don't know if anyone in 2 particular wants to do that. But we have that in our 3 operations instructions to coordinate with DHS, FEMA, 4 DOE, and (inaudible).

5 MR. COLLINS: Do you do that through 6 (inaudible), or do you take the lead yourself?

7 MR. KNOKE: We take that through our 8 procedure of going into a monitoring mode.

9 MR.COLLINS: Do we need to have the answer 10 to that question, Jim, or at least a good perspective 11 on it before we make our notifications.

12 MR. WIGGINS: We need to have it. I have 13 an idea on how to do it. So we'll talk to the 14 licensee on this line and then we'll have John White 15 talk separately then, using his contacts.

16 John. John White. Are you still on?

17 MR. WHITE: Yes. I'm still here, Jim.

18 MR. WIGGINS: All right, John. What I need 19 you to do is to drop off this bridge. Rejoin it 20 later. I need you to call your security contacts at 21 the station and make sure to question whether they 22 pulled out any, you know, unusual security related 23 reasons why this could be happening.

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27 1 I'll do that and then I'll get back on the bridge.

2 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And I'll talk --

3 we'll talk to the guy on the line at Millstone and 4 tell him that (inaudible).

5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Hey Jim? This is Mack.

6 They should have a tampering procedure that they 7 undertake whenever they have something like this to 8 make sure that there's not a sabotage or something.

9 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. I'm assuming that, 10 Mack.

11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.

12 MR. WHITE: Okay, Jim. I'm going to drop 13 off the line and go check and I'll be back.

14 MR. OLNEY: Jim?

15 MR. WIGGINS: Yes?

16 MR. OLNEY: Mike Olney here at Millstone.

17 I've got my manager of communications out at the 18 emergency operations facility who would like to 19 establish a link. I'd like to know if I can secure 20 from this and have them connect to this bridge?

21 MR. WIGGINS: Now, where is he located?

22 MR. OLNEY: He's in the emergency operating 23 facility out at the end of our access road.

24 MR. WIGGINS: And does he have access to 25 anyone that has information for this?

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28 1 MR. OLNEY: He should have access to --

2 MR. WIGGINS: Are you staffed up out there?

3 MR. OLNEY: Yes, they are staffed up 4 because we entered the alert. And he has -- he has 5 already called me and requested to take a turnover 6 from me for this -- for the communication with the 7 NRC. And it's --

8 MR. WIGGINS: If there's an adequate staff 9 on dominions --

10 MR. KNOKE: This is the HOO. Jim Dyer's 11 coming onto your bridge.

12 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Let me finish this 13 conversation first, please. Millstone, are you still 14 there?

15 MR. OLNEY: That's correct.

16 MR. WIGGINS: All right. If there's an 17 adequate level of staff out there, we can get the 18 information or at least raise the questions and get 19 some stuff taken care of. Then that would be fine.

20 I'll transfer it out there.

21 MR. OLNEY: Okay.

22 MR. WIGGINS: I'll give you one thing that 23 you can work on while you're turning over. And, you 24 know, you can take this question and then get back to 25 us when you transfer it over to the Director of NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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29 1 Communication.

2 MR. OLNEY: All right. That's fine.

3 MR. WIGGINS: Here is the question. You 4 may have heard it if you were listening in. Given 5 that, I presume you haven't completely nailed down the 6 cause of this, have you ruled out anything like 7 tampering or any security related activity that may 8 have been the causal factor for this thing?

9 MR. OLNEY: Have we ruled out any other 10 suspicious activity?

11 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Have you ruled that 12 out?

13 MR. OLNEY: I have not received any word 14 that we have ruled this out and I will -- I can pass 15 that question on.

16 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Pass it on and then 17 have the person get back to us.

18 MR. HOLIAN: Hey, Jim Wiggins? This is 19 Brian Holian in Licensee. Licensee, while you're 20 turning over, is there another person in the control 21 room, if you're in the control room, that can stay on 22 this line?

23 MR. GOBELI: Yes. Hang on. I'll see if 24 the -- I'll go see if the shift Technical Advisor can 25 stay on the line.

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30 1 MR. WIGGINS: Well, hold on. He needs --

2 if there's work that needs to be done to take care of 3 the plant, that's first priority. This is Wiggins.

4 And if the control room people need to do that, that's 5 the first priority. Just don't leave us alone for 6 that long. You know, if you're going to do this 7 turnover, do it quickly.

8 Brian, we shouldn't tie people up that are 9 in the crew.

10 MR. HOLIAN: That's okay. I understand.

11 I asked if he could.

12 MR. WIGGINS: It looks like it isn't moving 13 any where right now and presumably they'd jump back on 14 the line if something did happen.

15 MR. SADDLER: Hello, this is Richard 16 Saddler (phonetic) from Millstone 3.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, Richard?

18 MR. SADDLER: I'm taking over while the 19 gentleman you were talking to is turning over to our 20 EOF.

21 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And what's your 22 position, Richard?

23 MR. SADDLER: I'm the emergency 24 communicator at this time.

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31 1 was your position before you assumed this job?

2 MR. SADDLER: I'm the unit supervisor for 3 Unit 3.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And you're sure that 5 you have the time and the opportunity to deal with us 6 on this line. Because you'll probably doing a lot of 7 listening and not a lot of talking for a while. Do 8 you have anything you need to do more?

9 MR. SADDLER: No. And I have nothing at 10 this time. I have just sent out my update message.

11 And, as soon as he turns over, he should be picking up 12 with the other group or we'll find someone else to 13 come back over the phone so I can turn over. So I'm 14 all set for right now.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Great. Well, this is--

16 here's the -- here's the expectation. If you do need 17 to pull away, let us know you're doing it and then go 18 take care of the plant. Okay?

19 MR. SADDLER: I understand the expectation.

20 If I need to pull away, tell you, and then I will come 21 back when I can. And what is your name, sir?

22 MR. WIGGINS: Jim Wiggins. I'm the Deputy 23 Regional Administrator.

24 MR. SADDLER: Jim Wiggins?

25 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

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32 1 MR. SADDLER: Okay. Thank you, sir.

2 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Hey Jim, this is the unit 4 supervisor.

5 MR. COLLINS: I would not hold up the 6 Headquarters Duty Office for too long from making 7 those external notifications down to DHS.

8 I think we can make the initial 9 notifications if we don't get feedback in the short 10 run. And indicate that, at this time, there's not 11 indication of any unusual activity or tampering. But 12 the licensee is in the verification process. And then 13 we can update them later.

14 That would be better form than waiting too 15 much longer, perhaps, to let them know of the events 16 going on. Because it will circle back through.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

18 MR. PARTICIPANT: And we should be the 19 first time -- we should be the first notification of 20 the event.

21 MR. WIGGINS: It'll circle through the 22 state, because the state is in alert and is probably 23 staffing up at this point. Okay. All right. So, is 24 the Ops Officer on -- the Headquarters Ops Officer?

25 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I'm here.

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33 1 MR. WIGGINS: All right. This is Jim 2 Wiggins. Are you prepared to make those other 3 external contacts, given the information you have now?

4 MR. KNOKE: Yes, we are.

5 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Is NSIR a part of that?

6 MR. COLLINS: Would you notify NSIR 7 management at the same time?

8 MR. KNOKE: Yes. John Knoke to McGinty.

9 Could you do a recap for all of us. What notifications 10 you're going to make in accordance with your procedure, 11 please.

12 MR. McGINTY: Sure. We will be notifying 13 the IRD manager, which is Insure. And we will be 14 notifying the ET member, which is -- they're up there 15 already. We will be notifying the DHS, the NRC, FEMA, 16 DOE, EPA, USDA, HHS, DOT, and FBI, if it's a security 17 event.

18 I understand that has not been determined 19 yet.

20 MR. WIGGINS: Well it's -- there's no 21 indication that it is. That's a different -- that's a 22 different message. But that's -- that's being 23 confirmed.

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34 1 can we get the unit supervisor to give us a summary of 2 plant conditions and equipment running?

3 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Hold on Brian. Let's 4 take care of this (inaudible) piece first.

5 MR. McGINTY: Yes, Jim?

6 MR. WIGGINS: I have a suggestion and a 7 question for the external notifications then. We 8 should -- we should agree on the -- on the description 9 of the event. And perhaps the licensee needs to 10 clarify that for us.

11 But we -- if we are going to -- if we agree 12 that the plant was in the condition and they properly 13 declared an alert, they are still in the alert, 14 although the plant condition has been remedied. That's 15 a different message than we're in an ongoing alert.

16 So I think we -- it would be best for us, 17 when we make those notifications, to be sure that we're 18 -- we're comfortable with the description.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. I guess the licensee is 20 still on the line, so we should ask -- we could ask the 21 licensee what the basis for the alert out of their 22 emergency action level scheme is.

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35 1 we can release the Ops Officer to -- to brief the 2 outside if you agree.

3 MR. COLLINS: Yes. I understand. All 4 right. Go ahead.

5 MR. WIGGINS: Millstone?

6 MR. HAMMERS: Yes. This is Richard Hammers 7 (phonetic) at Milltone 3.

8 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Can you -- can you give 9 us the basis for the alert out of your emergency action 10 level procedure?

11 MR. HAMMERS: Yes.

12 MR. WIGGINS: What was it declared on?

13 MR. HAMMERS: Yes. Well, we declared the 14 alert based upon stuck open safety valves below the set 15 point, sir. So we called it an un-isolable steam line 16 break outside containment.

17 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And do you have the new 18 mark EALs -- the barrier EALs?

19 MR. HAMMERS: Right now, the shift managers 20 have taken them. So I don't have one right -- oops, 21 one second, sir. I've got another set right here.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. That's what you're 23 using. You're using the barrier EALs.

24 MR. HAMMER: Yes, sir. That's the -- the 25 major classification was for the barrier.

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36 1 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

2 MR. HAMMER: And then we went to (inaudible) 3 went to BA2 for us for minor EAL, which was a steam 4 line break.

5 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Thank you. And you're 6 convinced that that's not -- there is no real steam 7 line break? It was actually valves opening up?

8 MR. HAMMER: Yes, sir. There was a -- all 9 the indications were out the roof where the steam line 10 valves are at.

11 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. All right. Ops 12 Officer, do you have enough information to make the 13 notifications?

14 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I do.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And what are you 16 telling them when you make them?

17 MR. KNOKE: I'm saying that we had an 18 unisolable main steam line break. It was five open 19 SRVs that are now all re-closed.

20 MR. WIGGINS: Boy, I don't know if I would 21 say it that way. I'd say that we had an alert declared 22 as a result of open safety release valves. Just leave 23 it at that.

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37 1 main steam line break, it makes the event look bigger 2 that it currently is known to be.

3 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Mr. McGinty, you chime in if 5 you think that I'm leading him in the wrong direction.

6 MR. McGINTY: Right.

7 MR. WIGGINS: But I think the news for the 8 outside people is an alert's been declared. It was 9 declared as a result of these valves opening 10 unexpectedly. They subsequently closed. The plant 11 shut -- you know, the plant tripped and automatically 12 shut down. And conditions right now are normal after 13 a shutdown.

14 MR. McGINTY: And the licensee is --

15 MR. WIGGINS: Millstone, would you agree 16 with that characterization?

17 MR. HAMMER: Right now, sir, I'm still 18 trying to get a handle on what we're at right now. We 19 did have a safety injection that was brought upon 20 because of these safety valves that were open.

21 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

22 MR. HAMMER: And so we have had to recover 23 from that. But right now we have charging let down in 24 service. Right now we're actually doing a brief of the 25 control room crew that's going through everything. But NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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38 1 it looks like everything's steadying out to a normal, 2 you know, after trip with the, you know, the added in 3 of having to recover from the safety injection.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Recover from the safety 5 injection. Okay. Operations Officer, are you ready to 6 go then?

7 MR. MATTHEWS: No. I don't think so. Jim 8 Wiggins?

9 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

10 MR. MATTHEWS: I believe Sam made a 11 suggestion that we ought to take up. This is Dave 12 Matthews. The statement to these all of these external 13 agencies, if it's not just DHS, if it goes to anywhere 14 else, ought to include a statement to the effect that 15 there's no -- been no determination made that this 16 would have any relationship to an off normal security 17 related event. However, with that still being 18 evaluated.

19 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. That's -- I agree with 20 you Dave. That's a good message to send.

21 All right, Ops Officer, what are you going 22 to say now? Tell us what your message would be.

23 MR. KNOKE: Okay. The message will be that 24 we had an alert declared. The valves -- the safety 25 relief valves opened unexpectedly. They are now re-NEAL-R.GROSS _ -- -_

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39 1 closed. The plant tripped on a low pressure trip. The 2 plant is now in a recovery from safety injection and 3 there has been no security indication due to this 4 mishap.

5 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, that's good.

6 MR. HOLIAN: Jim Wiggins? Brian Holian.

7 And I would add in the safety relief valves in the 8 secondary system.

9 MR. KNOKE: Okay.

10 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Okay then. Then -- all 11 right. That sounds good. But we'll -- just add to the 12 security piece that -- that, you know, we're verifying 13 that now. You know, the licensee is in the process of 14 making that verification. Okay?

15 MR. KNOKE: I understand. No initial signs, 16 but they're -- they're in the process of making 17 verification in that regard.

18 MR. WIGGINS: Since we don't know the root 19 cause of this event in the first place.

20 MR. WIGGINS: You've go it. All right.

21 Good.

22 MR. HOLIAN: Okay, Jim?

23 MR. WIGGINS: Yes?

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40 1 in touch with a senior person in the licencee's EOF and 2 understand what their approach is to confirm that they 3 no longer meet the conditions for the alert. I 4 believe, right now, with the safety focus, that the 5 plant is stable. And there's no immediate need to 6 react to or be focused on the conditions in the plant.

7 So perhaps if Brian can focus on that, you 8 and I and the rest -- some of the team can focus on 9 with the licensee on the clarification of the event and 10 are they in a condition to undeclare the alert.

11 And, if that's the case, then we can work 12 with them on that. And then we're into the rollout of 13 the notifications and updating people on the status.

14 And then it becomes a technical follow-up event.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.

16 MR. HOLIAN: I don't want to move it along 17 unnecessarily along that path. But if we can be 18 working on those three paths, then perhaps we can keep 19 this thing bounded and keep it in perspective for as 20 long as it's focus. Given that the plant conditions 21 don't degrade.

22 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. It gets a little touchy 23 doing it this way by the phone. You're really -- your 24 best way to do it would be to have a management bridge 25 and a reactor safety bridge set up. And then parse the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE.. N.W.

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41 1 people out appropriately.

2 But, you know, that's --

3 MR. KNOKE: Mr. Wiggins?

4 MR. WIGGINS: Yes?

5 MR. KNOKE: This is the HOO. I have Mr.

6 Merschoff on another bridge. I will transfer you over 7 there.

8 MR. WIGGINS: All right. Do you need me to 9 say to do a count so you can identify what line I'm on?

10 MR. KNOKE: I -- I have you.

11 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Send me over.

12 MR. COLLINS: Do you want to take a leave 13 for that brief, Jim?

14 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. I'll do the brief.

15 Brian and Sam, you've got the rest of it here.

16 MR. MATTHEWS: Do you want Mr. Dyer 17 connected? Is Jim Dyer connected to the Ellis bridge?

18 I asked him to call in.

19 MR. WIGGINS: All right, David. That's a 20 good idea.

21 MR. MATTHEWS: He was going to call. Jim, 22 are you there?

23 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. I'm still here.

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42 1 do that.

2 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Ops Officer, this is 3 Jim Wiggins in Region 1. Transfer me over to the 4 bridge where Ellis is.

5 MR. MATTHEWS: And what I'm suggesting, Jim 6 Wiggins, would you please get Jim Dyer on the line and 7 kill two birds with one stone. I've given him the 8 rough idea of what's going on.

9 MR. WIGGINS: So to speak.

10 MR. MATTHEWS: Pardon?

11 MR. WIGGINS: So to speak.

12 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes.

13 MR. COLLINS: Okay. This is Sam. Jim, 14 while you're on that bridge, I'll maintain continuity 15 here with Brian Holian and David.

16 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.

17 MR. McGINTY: Sam. This is McGinty from 18 (inaudible) of Headquarters support. I'm with Dave.

19 Do you -- does the region need any Headquarters support 20 to be staffed up in the Ops Center; the project manager 21 or any technical support needed from NRR?

22 MR. COLLINS: Let me see. David, I would 23 enjoy your advice on this. But I believe, at this time, 24 as long as the plant's stable --

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43 1 Tim. From NRR's perspective, what I've heard at this 2 point would tell me there's no need to call people into 3 the Headquarters Operations Center, beyond -- beyond 4 your monitoring the activities.

5 MR. COLLINS: I agree.

6 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay. And Jim Dyer, you can 7 confirm that with him at a -- in a later discussion.

8 But I indicated that -- to him, that I -- he -- he 9 ought to just get in touch with -- with the 10 Headquarters Operations Officer and hear Jim Wiggins' 11 briefing to Ellis Merchamp. And, if they decide 12 differently, of course, we'll go their direction.

13 But right now I suggest there's no need to 14 do anything other than the monitoring you're doing, 15 from the IRD standpoint.

16 MR. McGINTY: Okay. And then there will 17 come a point in time when we've got some folks in and 18 we've had a chance to -- to get well briefed on our 19 initial notification, that we'll want to consider a 20 Commissioner's assistance Brief.

21 MR. MATTHEWS: Right. And the other thing 22 is, you can revisit the decision we just made with 23 regard to whether there needs to be any Headquarter 24 support.

25 MR. McGINTY: Yes.

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44 1 MR. MATTHEWS: And, at this point Sam, I 2 think I'm going to drop off. I think my intermediary 3 role is done here.

4 MR. COLLINS: All right, David. Do we -- do 5 we have anyone else from NRR on the line?

6 MR. MATTHEWS: No. Do you want me to stay 7 or get someone on the line?

8 MR. COLLINS: David, it might be good for 9 the project manager to come on the line so, one, 10 they're not surprised tomorrow morning.

11 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay. I'll arrange that.

12 MR. COLLINS: If we do need some support, 13 then that would be the normal project lead at this 14 point, anyway.

15 MR. MATTHEWS: That's great. Then that's 16 the level we'll take it through, as opposed to through 17 the Ops Center.

18 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Do you happen to know 19 who that is?

20 MR. MATTHEWS: No. But it's easy enough to 21 find out. I'll take care of that.

22 MR. COLLINS: Okay David, thank you.

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45 1 David. I appreciate it.

2 MR. MATTHEWS: You bet. But you call me 3 back if you need any help.

4 MR. WIGGINS: Sam, do we have the Unit 3 5 supervisor on the line at Millstone? Maybe he can give 6 us an update?

7 MR. TYLER: I'm not the unit -- I've got the 8 unit supervisor here, Rich Tyler.

9 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, Rich, can you go over --

10 are you in a normal electrical line-up now and do you 11 have all the safety equipment available?

12 MR. TYLER: We are in a normal electrical 13 line-up and we have all the safety equipment available 14 except for turbine driven auxiliary feedwater pump, 15 which was down near the -- trip valve was tripped and 16 we haven't reset the trip valve yet.

17 MR. KNOKE: Did the turbine driven auxiliary 18 feed pump respond? Did aux feed come on?

19 MR. TYLER: Well, aux feed did come on with 20 the motor driven auxiliary feedwater pump.

21 MR. KNOKE: Okay. And the turbine driven 22 just did not respond? Is that the case?

23 MR. TYLER: Well it looks like -- I mean, 24 the first call would be when they're trying to respond, 25 the trip valve turbine tripped open on it. If there is NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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46 1 one valve in the steam line for the turbine driven 2 auxiliary feedwater pump, that tripped off on us. So 3 we haven't reset it yet.

4 MR. KNOKE: You have not reset that, but you 5 didn't need it because both motor driven came on?

6 MR. TYLER: Yes. That is an accurate 7 statement, sir.

8 MR. KNOKE: Okay. Did all the diesels 9 respond?

10 MR. TYLER: Sir, hold on. All the diesels 11 responded, right? Did we have any diesel problems?

12 They said diesels started, no problem. Shut down on 13 stand-by. Okay. Both diesels did start. There was no 14 problems and they have since been shut down.

15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Are the MSIVs open or 16 closed?

17 MR. TYLER: MSIVs are closed at this time, 18 sir.

19 MR. KNOKE: Did they close before the event?

20 MR. TYLER: I do not know that, sir. If you 21 want to wait a second, I can find out.

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47 1 to go in yet, right?

2 MR. WIGGINS: No.

3 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I will -- we'll work at 4 getting somebody maybe a little closer than you in a 5 minute here.

6 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. We still don't really 7 know what initiated this thing.

8 MR. COLLINS: No. I'll ask Nick for 9 (inaudible) going on.

10 MR. COLLINS: Okay. Brian, it sounds to me 11 like we're going to need to go into our incident 12 response procedure.

13 MR. LANNING: Brian, it's Wayne Lanning.

14 I'm in the IRC and we're beginning to get set up here.

15 MR. HOLIAN: Hey Wayne, while you're there, 16 I don't have a Branch Chief coming in yet and maybe an 17 SRA, Schmidt or Bill Cook (phonetic), if you could try 18 and reach them.

19 MR. LANNING: Yes, I tried Bywater already.

20 But, all right, we will.

21 MR. HOLLINGS: Thank you.

22 MR. LANNING: Tad Marsh (phonetic), are you 23 on the line?

24 MR. TYLER: The person who asked about the 25 MSIVs? Yes sir, the MSIVs went closed with the event.

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48 1 MR. COLLINS: Brian, it sounded like --

2 although, certainly they can recap, but it sounded to 3 me like they had an SRV discharge, and then the MSIVs 4 closed. And then when they closed, they had more open.

5 But --

6 MR. TYLER: To my knowledge, sir, 7 (inaudible).

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