ML052270063
| ML052270063 | |
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| Site: | Millstone  |
| Issue date: | 04/17/2005 |
| From: | NRC Region 1 |
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| 41607, FOIA/PA-2005-0207, NRC-372 | |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings Title NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION Telephone Conversations at NRC Headquarters during the Millstone Alert Declaration on April 17,.2005 I.-I.A
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10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION HEADQUARTERS OPERATIONS CENTER TELEPHONE CONVERSATION(S)
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MR. PARTICIPANT: This is Headquarters Ops 3
Officer, standby, we are briefing on the report that 4
you provided, and we'll connect you as soon as we 5
complete our briefing.
6 MR. PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) standing by.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, thank you.
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is the other watch, 9
right?
10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Right.
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, do we have Projects 12 on the line that they can get a resident in?
13 MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian on line.
14 I haven't called yet, I'm just still listening in.
15 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, we've got an alert, 16 Brian, here, you have to send it in regardless.
17 MR. HOLIAN: Okay, I will put the licensee 18 and you can -
and you have the connection with the 19 licensee now.
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, Headquarters Ops 21 Officer, would you call the Millstone resident to see 22 if you can get him on the bridge?
23 MR. KNOKE: Okay.
24 MR. SCHNEIDER (phonetic): Licensee, it's 25 Max Schneider.
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MR. PARTICIPANT: Hello, Max.
2 MR. SCHNEIDER: Is the licensee on? Is the 3
licensee on?
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PARTICIPANT:
This is (inaudible) 5 Station Duty Officer at Millstone 3, I'm on the line.
6 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, they are connected, 7
the licensee should be on.
8 MR. MATTHEWS: Sam, why don't you lead the 9
questioning.
10 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry, I couldn't hear 11 that.
12 MR. MATTHEWS: I was going to suggest, Sam, 13 that you lead the questioning.
14 MR. COLLINS: Okay, was that you, Dave?
15 MR. MATTHEWS: Yeah, I'm sorry.
16 MR. COLLINS: Okay, who do we have on the 17 line from the licensee, please?
18 MR. GOBELI: Michael Gobeli.
19 MR. COLLINS: Are you there?
20 MR. GOBELI: That's correct.
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Mike, this is Sam 22 Collins, Regional Administrator, we have a number of 23 people on the line here from NRC Region 1 and 24 Headquarters.
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call with Region 1 and Headquarters.
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COLLINS: And, this call is being 3
bridged through the Headquarters Operations Officer, 4
and I believe it's being recorded, which is the normal 5
course at this time.
6 MR. GOBELI: I understand the conference 7
call is being recorded.
8 MR. COLLINS: So, could you brief us on the 9
status of the plant and the status of your declaration 10 of emergency, please?
11 MR. GOBELI: Millstone Unit 3 is in Mode 3 12 at zero percent reactor power.
We were operating at 13 100 percent reactor power in Mode 1. At 08:29, the 14 main steam safety lift on the bravo steam generator 15 caused a low pressure reactor trip with the safety 16 injection.
We classified that as an alert at 8:42, 17 and we reported the bravo steam generator safety 18 subsequently reseated.
The operating crew entered 19 procedure (inaudible) in order to adapt the safety 20 injection was terminated.
Subsequent to that bravo 21 steam generator safety reseating we had bravo and 22 Charlie steam generator safeties lifted. At one point 23 we had -
it was reported we had five main steam 24 safeties open, and at current state all the safeties 25 have been reseated, and we are sitting here in Mode 3.
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And, I faxed the notification form down.
2 Other than the safeties lifting, nothing was unusual.
3 All systems did function as required, and that's all 4
I have right now.
5 MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian in Region 6
- 1. Mr. Gobeli, what is primary system pressure and 7
temperature, RCS pressure and temperature, RCS 8
pressure, let's see, 1955 and stable, RCS temperature, 9
I'm trying to read the monitor, it's about five feet 10 away, T ave appears to be 555 degrees and stable.
11 MR. COLLINS: Okay, this is Sam Collins 12 again, thank you for that.
13 Are you still in the alert declaration at 14 this time?
15 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, we activated our Station 16 Emergency Response Organization, and we cannot 17 terminate that until they terminate from the Emergency 18 Operations Facility.
19 So, yes, that is correct, we are still in 20 the alert declaration at this time.
21 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
22 Is your safety injection system still 23 operating?
24 MR. HOLIAN: We secure safety injection, 25 that's correct.
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Hang on, we'll give you an update on that, 2
Sam.
3 Normal safety injection has been secured, 4
we have one charging pump running.
5 MR.
COLLINS: Normal charging?
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HOLIAN: Normal charging and let down 7
on the primary side.
I think John had asked me 8
earlier, reactor trip functioned normally, all the 9
rods were in, all rods tripped in, no rods stuck.
So, 10 we secure the safety injection line, normal charging 11 let down now.
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COLLINS: Okay, Jim, are you on the 13 line, Jim Wiggins?
14 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, Sam, Jim Wiggins, yeah, 15 I am.
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COLLINS: Okay.
17 MR.
WIGGINS: And, Brian, I would suggest 18 that we can Bob Bores and Diane Screnci bridged on the 19 line here.
20 MR. McGINTY: Yeah, Sam, this is McGinty.
21 We'll need to -
once we get enough information from 22 the licensee, we should probably separate ourselves 23 once again, understand, and then we need to discuss 24 quickly whether or not we need to activate or not. We 25 have 30 minutes to do that.
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MR. COLLINS: Right.
2 MR. McGINTY: I'd like to understand, it 3
appears that they have most of the conditions that 4
would allow them to cure to not be in an alert state 5
anymore, I'd like to understand what conditions will 6
clear.
7 The licensee, could you tell me what 8
status the plant needs to be in, in order for you to 9
no longer be in a declared emergency?
10 MR.
GOBELI: You'd like to know what 11 conditions we need to be in to terminate from the 12 alert?
13 MR. McGINTY: Yes.
14 MR. GOBELI: Please stand by.
15 MR. PARTICIPANT: Ops Officer, are you on 16 the line?
17 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I am.
18 MR. COLLINS: Would you get Bob Bores from 19 Region 1 and Diane Screnci on the bridge?
20 MR. KNOKE: Diane and Bob who?
21 MR. COLLINS: Bores, B-O-R-E-S.
22 MS. McNAMARA (phonetic): Brian, Nancy 23 McNamara is on the line, is there something you'd like 24 me to do?
25 MR. HOLIAN: Not right now, just listen in.
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MS. McNAMARA: Okay.
2 MR. TRAPP: Brian, this is Jim Trapp, just 3
a question.
Since we don't know the cause for those 4
five safeties opening, I mean, what confidence do we 5
have that that's not going to occur again? That's my 6
question.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) 8 MR. WIGGINS: Sam, this is Jim. I presume 9
they are talking about safety
- reliefs, SRVs 10 (inaudible), SRVs, there must be a relief function, 11 meaning some ability to command the valves to open, 12 because either that or, you know, there's no 13 indication, I presume, (inaudible) function, or a 14 function of a safety valve needed to executed in this.
15 It sounds like it was a relief valve kind of thing.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: We have four ADVs at 17 Millstone, and the safeties that he's talking about 18 are safeties with no function to open, no operator 19 function to open.
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: MSIV's closed or not.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Sam, this is Jim.
I think 22 that whatever this is, it's going to take a bit to 23 sort it out, and I would -
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this out.
2 MR. COLLINS: Yes, I agree.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, and I think that, you 4
know, Brian, you need to gather a staff, okay?
5 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, I understand.
6 MR. WIGGINS: You need to assign, you know, 7
either you go yourself, get a branch chief in there, 8
and get a tech guy to handle phones, and, you know, we 9
need to straighten this out.
10 Have you had any luck raising a resident 11 yet, getting a resident in?
12 MR. SCHNEIDER: Yes, Jim, this is Max. I'm 13 on line.
14 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, where are you, Max?
15 Are you at the station?
16 MR. SCHNEIDER: No, actually I'm in a truck 17 on a cell phone, and I could turn around and go back 18 toward the station.
I just came from Home Depot, so 19 that's kind of more toward New London.
20 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, Max, Brian Holian, I'll 21 head in to the station and get Silas, or who is the 22 other resident there now?
23 MR. SCHNEIDER: Kevin Mangan.
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but I'll check.
2 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is a HOO -
we tried 3
to contact the other two RIs, and they were not 4
responsive to the call, so we left messages.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
6 Is Randy Blough on the phone? Also try to 7
get Randy Blough on the phone, Headquarters Ops 8
Officer 9
MR. PARTICIPANT: Is Felicia on the phone 10 still?
11 MS. PARTICIPANT: Yes, Felicia is here.
12 MR. PARTICIPANT: Felicia, are you there?
13 MR. FLOREK: This is Don Florek, and I'm 14 also here.
15 MR. PARTICIPANT:
All right.
16 Is Felicia on the line?
17 MS. HINSON: Yes, Felicia is here.
18 MR. HINSON: Felicia, it's Wayne, are you 19 in a position to go into the IRC?
20 MS. PARTICIPANT: Yes, I am.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right, I'll meet you 22 there.
23 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, Wayne, thank you, 24 I'm about an hour away.
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person, Paul Krohn, if you could get him on the 2
bridge.
3 MR. KNOKE: Paul Krohn?
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: K-R-O-H-N.
5 MR. KNOKE: K-R-O-H-N.
6 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, Bob Bores is on the 7
line also.
8 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, thanks.
9 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, Sam, this is Jim.
10 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, Jim.
11 MR. WIGGINS: One of the lessons learned in 12 a prior thing I was involved in here, when we get the 13 licensee guys back on, let's quick find out what 14 position he's in, and what's his -
you know, is he an 15 SRO on shift, is he a communicator, that kind of fell 16 out of the Indian Point exercise.
17 MR. WIGGINS: I remember that.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: You know, what position 19 he's in, and where he's located.
20 MR. WIGGINS: Sam, are you there?
21 MR. COLLINS:
Yeah, that's fine, Jim, I'm 22 on a cell phone, and I'm having a little difficulty 23 hearing, but I'm keeping up with most of it.
24 So, all right,
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licensee still on the line?
2 MR. GOBELI: That's correct.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Licensee, are you still on 4
the line?
5 MR. GOBELI: Yes.
6 MR. WIGGINS:
Yes, he is.
7 Okay, just so we know who we are talking 8
to, can you identify yourself, what's your position on 9
the shift, and where are you located?
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GOBELI: All
- right, this is Mike 11 Gobeli, I'm stationed to the (inaudible) at Millstone 12 3, I'm a Shift Technical Advisor on Millstone Unit 2, 13 and reporting to the affected unit.
I'm in the 14 control room at Millstone Unit 3 right now.
15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, thank you.
16 MR. MATTHEWS: Jim and Sam, I think -
this 17 Dave Matthews -
we need to keep on track with regard 18 to - and I'll trust Tim McGinty will keep us on track, 19 with regard to a decision on activation.
20 MR. McGINTY: Yeah, I think -
this is 21 McGinty, I believe that most of the activities are, in 22 fact, underway.
23 Sam, would you agree that we should 24 declare a monitoring mode for a response mode?
25 MR. COLLINS: Yes, I do.
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MR. WIGGINS: This is Jim Wiggins, yeah, 2
that seems the smart thing to do, Tim, considering 3
where we are with this.
4 MR.
PARTICIPANT: Okay, NRR concurs in 5
that, I will call Jim Dyer separately this morning on 6
my cell phone and see if he wants to get involved, 7
Sam.
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
9 David, would you also be sure that Ellis 10 Merschoff (phonetic) is aware?
11 MR. MATTHEWS: Yes, I'll do both.
12 MR. COLLINS: He's not on the bridge now, 13 and -
14 MR. MATTHEWS: No, and I don't know that I 15 need to get him there, but let me make sure.
16 MR. COLLINS: Ellis needs a phone call from 17 the RA or someone, so if you can do that, Jim, we can 18 do when we are in a position of doing it.
19 MS. MATTHEWS: Yeah, let me please call Jim 20 Dyer and Ellis, let them know what's going on, the 21 degree they need to get on the bridge they will, or if 22 you have to have separate communication we can make 23 that happen.
24 MR. COLLINS: Great.
25 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay?
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MR. McGINTY: Sam, this is McGinty, the 2
next thing I'd like to do is have the HOOs (phonetic) 3 do their procedure, where they would establish a 4
person, a few individuals to maintain communications 5
with the licensee, but separate from most of the folks 6
that are currently monitoring this call, and we can 7
have discussions on NRC activity.
8 MR. COLLINS: Right.
9 Brian, are you going to head into the 10 Incident Response Center?
11 MR. HOLIAN: This is Brian Holian, Sam, I'm 12 about an hour away, so I'm holding on right now.
I'd 13 have to borrow a car, I'm up in Reading at a Little 14 League game.
I can head in, I'm just checking on 15 Randy.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, it's Wayne, I'm on 17 my way in.
18 MR. COLLINS: Wayne is on his way, okay, 19 Wayne, you can head up the Incident Response Center?
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yup, I'm going to drop 21 off the phone and hit the road.
22 MR. COLLINS: All right, and you have 23 Felicia going to meet you in there.
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your end as far as continuity on the phone, because 2
I'm a ways away and on the cell phone, I'm not sure I 3
can stay in any constant contact.
Are you at home?
4 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, I'm at home.
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay. So, we'll get somebody 6
in.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is a HOO, we've 8
tried to contact Randy Blough and he has no response 9
to his cell phone or pager.
10 MR. COLLINS: Okay, did you get Paul Krohn?
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: We're in the process of 12 we are trying to get him, but we haven't got him 13 yet.
14 MR.
COLLINS:
All
- right, so my 15 understanding, let's just recap, my understanding is 16 we are in the monitoring mode, Wayne is responding to 17 the Incident Response Center with Felicia. Diane, are 18 you on the line, Diane Screnci?
Do we have anybody 19 from Public Affairs on the line?
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: We've asked her to join, 21 Sam, we haven't heard from her yet.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay, that's an IOU, we need 23 to get back to them when we get the right people 24 available.
25 And, Bob Bores, you are on the line?
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2 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Bob, you take the lead 3
for state notification when we reach that point?
5 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
6 Jim, do we need anybody in Protective 7
Measures at this point?
8 MR. WIGGINS: If it's true that the valves 9
are closed I would think not, the normal -
you know, 10 unless there's no attendants steam Generator 2 11 rupture, what you have is the normal discussion about, 12 you know, release out of the steam generator with 13 probably some background amount leakage in it.
14 So, I don't know that we need that, this 15 is a more a government liaison, Public Affairs piece, 16 and reactor safety piece, I think, Sam.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
18 Could we ask the Headquarters Operations 19 Officer to put Ellis Merschoff on a separate bridge, 20 and then, Jim, you can brief him and get him up to 21 speed?
22 MR. Wiggins: Yes, that would be good.
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call in to brief him.
2 MR. KNOKE: And, who will be the contact 3
he'll be talking to?
4 MR. WIGGINS: Jim Wiggins.
5 MR. COLLINS: Jim Wiggins, Deputy Region 6
Administrator, Region 1.
7 MR. KNOKE: Okay, I will get him, and I'll 8
try and put you both on a separate bridge.
9 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
10
- Brian, are you able to keep fairly 11 constant communication with the licensee from where 12 you are until Wayne comes in?
13 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, I am.
14 MR. COLLINS: And then, you can turn it 15 over to Wayne on the technical details that you have?
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
17 MR. COLLINS: And, Jim and I, between the 18 two of us, will handle the internal and external 19 notification.
20 MR. HOLIAN: Jim Trapp, are you available 21 to get to the NRC?
22 MR. TRAP: Yeah, I can get there, Brian.
23 MR.
CLARK: Brian, this is Tom Clark, 24 Felicia is going to come in with us, I'm leaving right 25 now, too.
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MS. McNAMARA: Hey, Don, this is Nancy, 2
I'll go in.
3 MR. COLLINS: Is Wayne still on the line?
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Wayne Lanning got off his 5
phone, I guess, he might be getting on his cell phone, 6
but he's on his way in, Sam.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Brian, I'll let you 8
coordinate how many and what type of persons you need 9
in there, but right now it sounds like you may have 10 three.
11 (Whereupon, five minutes the discussion 12 was inaudible) 13 MR. PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry, John White, 14 you are breaking up if that was you.
15 MR. WHITE: My question is, is there is a 16 need for protective measures to be in the Center at 17 this time?
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: It doesn't look like it, 19 John.
20 MR. BORES: This is Bob Bores, can somebody 21 else actually do the government notifications, I'm on 22 my way to the airport right now to pick up someone.
23 MR. WIGGINS: Did you say can somebody?
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that's up to you to arrange.
Right now (inaudible),
2 who would you suggest, you've got to solve this 3
problem for us.
4 MR. BORES: Well, I can make the initial 5
notifications here (inaudible) 6 MR. PARTICIPANT: Jim Wiggins, are you 7
still on line?
8 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
9 MR. COLLINS: Jim, I think one question we 10 need to ask the licensee is whether they think there's 11 any unusual activity that would warrant NSIR being 12 involved and the licensee marking any other type of 13 equipment?
14 MR. WIGGINS: I agree, Sam. I would agree.
15 MR. COLLINS: All right, do you want to ask 16 them, do you want to get that, do you want to do it 17 now if you don't mind, because I'm on a cell phone and 18 I'm not sure how long I'm going to last.
Why don't 19 you take the lead on that line of questioning and the 20 management of the event for the region, and I'll stay 21 on as long as I can, and then within the next ten 22 minutes you and I can decide how we want to -
if one 23 of us wants to go into the IRC.
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be doing external notifications, which are a lot of 2
the government agencies.
I don't know if anyone in 3
particular wants to do that, but we have that in our 4
operations instructions, to coordinate with DHS, FEMA, 5
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay, do you do that through 7
NSIR, or do you take the lead on that yourself?
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: We take that through our 9
procedure of going into the monitoring mode.
10 MR. COLLINS: Do we have to have the answer 11 to that question, Jim, or at least (inaudible) 12 MR. WIGGINS: I have an idea on how to do 13 it, so we'll talk to the licensee on this line, and 14 then I'll let John White talk separately using his 15 contacts.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 MR. WIGGINS: John, John White, are you 18 still on?
19 MR. WHITE: Yes, I'm still here, Jim.
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20 MR. WIGGINS: All right, John, what I need 21 you to do is to drop off this bridge, rejoin us later.
22 I need you to call your security contacts at the 23 station, and make sure -
ask the question whether 24 they've ruled out any unusual security-related reasons 25 why this could be happening.
Do you understand?
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MR. WHITE: Yes, I do, I understand, and 2
I'll do that and then I'll get back on the bridge.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, and we'll talk to the 4
guy on the line at Millstone and tell him that, too.
5 MR. SCHNEIDER: Jim, this is Max, they 6
should have a tampering procedure that they undertake 7
whenever they have something like this, to make sure 8
that there's not a sabotage or something.
9 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah.
10 MR. WHITE: I'm going to drop off and I'll 11 make that check and I'll be back.
12 MR.
GOBELI:
- Jim, Mike over here at 13 Millstone.
I've got my Manager of Communications out 14 at the Emergency Operations Facility, who would like 15 to establish a link.
I would like to know if I can 16 secure from this and have them call in to this bridge.
17 MR. WIGGINS: Now, where is he located?
18 MR. GOBELI: He's in Emergency Operations 19 Facility out at the end of our access road.
20 MR. WIGGINS: And, does he have access to 21 anyone that has information for this?
22 MR. GOBELI: He should have access to -
23 MR. WIGGINS: Are you staffed up out there?
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called me and requested to take a turnover, and he 2
called me for the communication with the NRC.
3 MR. WIGGINS: If there's adequate staff -
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is the HOO, Jim Dyer 5
is coming onto your bridge.
6 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, let me finish this 7
conversation first, please.
8 Millstone, are you still there?
9 MR. GOBELI: That's correct.
10 MR. WIGGINS: All right.
11 If there's an adequate level of staff out 12 there, we can get the information, or at least raise 13 the questions, get some stuff taken care of, that 14 would be fine.
15 MR. GOBELI: All right.
16
- Yeah, the Manager of Communications 17 already called me and would like to -
18 MR. WIGGINS: I'll give you one thing you 19 can work on while you are turning over.
20 MR. GOBELI: Okay.
21 MR. WIGGINS: And, you know, you can take 22 this question and then get back to us when you 23 transfer it over to the Director of Communications.
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have heard it if you were listening in.
Given that I 2
presume you haven't completely nailed down the cause 3
of this.
4 MR. GOBELI: Correct.
5 MR. WIGGINS: Have you ruled out anything 6
like tampering or any security-related activity that 7
may have been -
have you ruled out any other 8
suspicions activity?
9 MR. COLLINS: Yeah, have you ruled that 10 out?
11 MR. GOBELI: I have not received any word 12 that we have ruled this out, and I can pass that 13 question on.
14 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, pass it on and have the 15 person get back to us.
16 MR. HOLIAN: Jim Wiggins, Brian Holian, and 17 the licensee, licensee, while you are turning over is 18 there another person in the Control Room, someone at 19 the Control Room who can stay on this line?
20 MR. GOBELI: Yeah, hang on, I'll see if the 21 Shift Technical Advisor for this unit can stay on the 22 line.
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your Control Room people need to do that, that's the 2
first priority.
3 Just don't leave us alone for that long.
4 You know, if you are going to do this turnover, do it 5
quickly.
6 MR. PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) 7 MR.
WIGGINS: Brian, we shouldn't tie 8
people up that are in the crew.
9 MR. HOLIAN: Okay, I understand, I asked if 10 he could.
11 MR. WIGGINS: This looks like it isn't 12 moving anywhere right now, presumably, they'd jump 13 back on the line if something did happen.
14 MR. SABBER (phonetic): Hello, This is 15 Richard Sabber from Millstone 3.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, Richard.
17 MR. SABBER: I'm taking over while the 18 gentleman you were talking is turning over to our EOF.
19 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
20 And, what's your position, Richard?
21 MR. SABBER: I'm the Emergency Communicator 22 at this time.
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for Unit 3.
2 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, and you are sure that 3
you have the time and the opportunity to deal with us 4
on this line, since you'll probably be doing a lot of 5
listening and not a lot of talking for a while.
Do 6
you have anything you need to do more?
7 MR. SABBER: No, nothing at this time, I've 8
just sent down my update message, and as soon as he 9
turns over I should be picking up with the other group 10 or we'll find someone else to come back over the phone 11 so I can turn over.
So, I'm all set for right now.
12 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, great, well, here's the 13 expectation. If you do need to pull away, let us know 14 you are doing it, and then go take care of things.
15 Okay?
16 MR. SABBER: The expectation is, if I need 17 to pull away I will come back when I can.
What is 18 your name, sir?
19 MR. WIGGINS: Jim Wiggins. I'm the Deputy 20 Regional Administrator.
21 MR. SABBER: Jim Wiggins.
22 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah.
23 MR. SABBER: Okay, thank you, sir.
24 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam.
25 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, Sam.
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MR. COLLINS: I would not hold up the 2
Headquarters Duty Officer for too long from making 3
those external notifications down to DHS.
If we can 4
make the initial notifications, if we don't get 5
feedback in a short run, and indicate that it at this 6
time there's no indication of any unusual activity or 7
tampering, but the licensee is in the verification 8
process, and then we can update them later.
9 That would be a better form than waiting 10 too much longer, perhaps, to let them know the event 11 is going on, because it will circle back through.
12 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah.
13 MR. COLLINS:
We should be the first 14 notification of the event.
15 MR. WIGGINS: It will circle through the 16 state, because the state in an alert is probably 17 staffing up at this point.
18 MR. COLLINS: Okay, all right.
19 MR. WIGGINS:
So, is the Ops Officer on, 20 Headquarters Ops Officer?
21 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I'm here.
22 MR. WIGGINS: This is Jim Wiggins. Are you 23 prepared to make those other external contacts, given 24 the information you have now?
25 MR. KNOKE: Yes, we are.
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MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
2 And, is NSIR a part of that, would you 3
notify ENSER management at the same time?
4 MR. McGINTY: Yes, John Knoke in McGinty, 5
could you do a recap for all of us, what notifications 6
you are going to make in accordance with your 7
procedure please?
8 MR. KNOKE: Sure. We will be notifying the 9
IRD manager, which is NSIR, and we will be notifying 10 the ET members, which is -
they are up there already.
11 We will be notifying the DHS, FEMA, DOE, EPA, USDA, 12 HHS, DOT and FBI if it's a security event.
I 13 understand that has not been determined yet.
14 MR.
WIGGINS:
- Well, if there's no 15 indication that it is, that's a different message, but 16 that's being confirmed.
17 MR. KNOKE: Okay.
18 MR. HOLIAN: Jim, Wiggins, Brian Holian, 19 can we get the unit supervisor to give us a summary of 20 plant conditions and equipment running?
21 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, hold on Brian, let's 22 take care of this piece first.
23 MR. COLLINS: Jim, I have a suggestion and 24 a question for the external notifications, we should 25 agree on the description of the event.
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MR. WIGGINS: Correct.
2 MR. COLLINS: And, perhaps, the licensee 3
needs to clarify that for us, but if we agree that the 4
plant was in the condition and they properly declared 5
an alert, they are still in the alert, although the 6
plant condition has been remedied, that's a different 7
message than we are in an ongoing alert.
8 So, I think it would be best for us when 9
we make those notifications to be sure that we are 10 comfortable with the description.
11 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, the licensee is still 12 on the line, so we should ask -
we could ask the 13 licensee what the basis for the alert out of their 14 emergency action level scheme is, but, you know, I 15 think your first sense, Sam, was right, we shouldn't 16 be holding off on these other calls too long.
Let's 17 get that piece, and then we can release the Ops 18 Officer to debrief the outside if you agree.
19 MR. COLLINS: Yes, understand, go ahead.
20 MR. WIGGINS: Millstone -
21 MR. SABBER: Yes, this is Richard Sabber, 22 Millstone 3.
23 MR. WIGGINS:
yes, can you give us the 24 basis for the alert out of your emergency action level 25 procedure, what was it declared on?
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MR. SABBER: Well, we declared the alert 2
based up a stuck open safety valve below the set 3
point, sir. So, we called unisolable steam line break 4
outside containment.
5 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, and do you have the 6
NUMARC, the EALs, the barrier EALs?
7 MR. SABBER: Right now the shift managers 8
have taken them, so I don't have one right -
oh, wait 9
a second, sir, I've got another set right here.
10 MR. WIGGINS: You are using the barrier.
11 MR. SABBER: Yes, the major classification 12 was for the barrier.
13 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
14 MR. SABBER: And then, we went to a BA2 15 (phonetic) EAL, which was steam line break.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, thank you.
17 And, you are convinced that that's not, 18 there is no real steam line break, it was actually 19 valves opening up?
20 MR. SABBER: Yes, sir. All the indications 21 were out the roof where the steam line valves are at.
22 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
23 All right, Ops Officer, do you have enough 24 information to make the notifications?
25 MR. KNOKE: Yes, I do.
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MR.
WIGGINS: Okay, and what are you 2
telling them when you make them?
3 MR. KNOKE: I'm saying that we had an 4
unisolable main steam line break.
It was five open 5
SRVs that are now all reclosed.
6 MR. WIGGINS: I don't know if I'd say it 7
that way.
I'd say that you had an alert declared as 8
a result of opening of safety relief valves, just 9
leave it at that.
10 MR. KNOKE: Okay.
11 MR. WIGGINS: If you start talking about 12 main steam line break it makes the event look bigger 13 than it currently is shown to be.
14 MR. KNOKE: Okay.
15 MR. WIGGINS: McGinty you chime in if you 16 think I'm leading him in the wrong direction.
17 MR. PARTICIPANT: Right.
18 MR. WIGGINS: But, I think the news for the 19 outside people is that an alert has been declared.
It 20 was declared as a result of these valves opening 21 unexpectedly.
They subsequently closed. The plant 22 shut -
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characterization?
2 MR. GOBELI: Right now, sir, I'm still 3
trying to get a handle on what we are at right now.
4 We did have a safety injection that was brought upon 5
because of these safety valves that were open.
6 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah.
7 MR. GOBELI: And so, we've had to recover 8
from that, but right now we have charging let down in 9
service, and right now we are actually doing a brief 10 to the Control Room crew that's going through 11 everything, but it looks like everything is steadying 12 out to a normal, you know, after trip (inaudible), you 13 know, the added in of having to recover from the 14 safety injection.
15 MR.
WIGGINS: Recover from the safety 16 injection, okay.
17 All right, Ops Officer, are you ready to 18 go then?
19 MR. MATTHEWS: No, I don't think so.
20 Jim Wiggins, I believe Sam made a
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relationship to an abnormal security-related event.
2 However, that's still being evaluated.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, I agree with you, Dave, 4
that's a good message to send.
5 All right, Ops Officer, what are you going 6
to say now, tell us what your message would be.
7 MR. KNOKE: Okay, the message will be that 8
we had an alert declared, the valves -
safety relief 9
valves opened unexpectedly.
They are now reclosed.
10 The plant tripped on a low pressure trip, the plant is 11 now in a recovery from safety injection, and there has 12 been no security indication due to this mishap.
13 MR. HOLIAN: Jim, Wiggins, Brian Holian, 14 and I would add in safety relief valves in the 15 secondary system.
16 MR. KNOKE: Okay.
17 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, all right, that sounds 18 good, but just add to the security piece that, you 19 know, we are verifying that now, the licensee is in 20 the process of making that verification.
Okay?
21 MR. KNOKE: I understand.
22 MR. WIGGINS: No initial signs, but they 23 are making -
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cause of the this event in the first place.
2 MR. WIGGINS: You got it.
3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, Jim?
4 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Perhaps, if you, as I now 6
put a lead toward the region, could get in touch with 7
the senior person in the licensee's
- EOF, and 8
understand what their approach is to confirm that they 9
no longer meet the conditions for the alert, I believe 10 right now with the safety focus that the plant is 11 stable, and there's no immediate need to react to or 12 be focused on the conditions in the plant.
13 So, perhaps, if Brian can focus on that, 14 you and I, and some of the team, can focus on -
with 15 the licensee on the classification of the event, and 16 are they in a condition to undeclare the alert. And, 17 if that's the case, then we can work with them on 18 that, and then we are into the roll out of the 19 notification and updating people on the status, and 20 then it becomes a technical follow-up event.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah.
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as long as (inaudible),
given that the plant 2
conditions don't delay.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, it gets a little touchy 4
doing it this way by the phone, the best way to do it 5
would be to have a management bridge and a reactor 6
safety bridge set up, and then parse the people out 7
appropriately, but, you know -
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Mr. Wiggins?
9 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
10 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is HOO, I have Mr.
11 Merschoff on another bridge, I will transfer you over 12 there.
13 MR. WIGGINS: All right, do you need me to 14 do a count so you can identify what line I'm on?
15 MR. PARTICIPANT: I have you.
16 MR. COLLINS: Okay, send me over.
17 Do you want to take the lead for that 18 brief, Jim?
19 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, I'll do the brief.
20 Brian and Sam, you've got the rest of it 21 here.
22 MR. MATTHEWS: Is Jim Dyer connected to the 23 Ellis bridge?
I asked him to call in.
24 MR. WIGGINS: All right, David, that's a 25 good idea.
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MR. MATTHEWS: He was going to call -
Jim 2
are you there?
3 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, I'm still here.
4 MR. MATTHEWS: No, Jim, I'm sorry, Jim 5
Dyer? He might be waiting with Ellis.
I suggested he 6
do that.
7 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, Ops Officer, this is 8
Jim Wiggins from Region 1, transfer me over to the 9
bridge where Ellis is.
10 MR. MATTHEWS: And, what I'm suggesting, 11 Jim Wiggins, would you please get Jim Dyer on the line 12 and kill two birds with one stone" I've given him a 13 rough idea of what's going on.
14 MR. WIGGINS: So to speak.
15 MR. MATTHEWS: Huh?
16 MR. WIGGINS: So to speak.
17 MR. MATTHEWS: Yeah.
18 MR. COLLINS: Okay, this is Sam, Jim, while 19 you are on that bridge I'll maintain continuity here 20 with Brian Holian and David.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
22 MR. McGINTY: Sam, this is McGinty from 23 Headquarters Support, with Dave, does the region need 24 any Headquarters support to be staffed up in the Ops 25 Center, the Project Manager, or anybody (inaudible)
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from NRR?
2 MR. COLLINS: Let me see, David, I would 3
enjoy your advice on this, so I believe at this time, 4
as long as the plant is stable -
5 MR. MATTHEWS: Let's put it this way, Tim, 6
from NRR's perspective what I've heard at this point 7
would tell me there's no need to call people into the 8
Headquarters Operations Center.
9 MR. COLLINS: I agree.
10 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay, and Jim Dyer, you can 11 confirm that with him in a later discussion, but I 12 indicated to him that he ought to just get in touch 13 with the Headquarters Operations Officer and hear Jim 14 Wiggins briefing to Ellis Merschoff, and if they 15 decide differently, of
- course, we'll go their 16 direction. But, right now I suggest there's no need to 17 do anything other than the monitoring you are doing 18 from the IRD standpoint.
19 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay, and then there will 20 come a point in time when we've got some folks in, and 21 we've had a chance to get well briefed and our initial 22 notifications
- out, we'll want to consider a
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regard to whether there needs to be any Headquarters 2
support.
3 MR. MATTHEWS: At this point, Sam, I think 4
I'm going to drop off, I think my intermediary role is 5
done here.
6 MR. COLLINS: All right, David, do we have 7
anyone else from NRR on the line, or are we -
8 MR. MATTHEWS: No. Do you want me to stay 9
or get somebody on the line?
10 MR. COLLINS: David, it might be good for 11 the Project Manager to come on the line so they are 12 not surprised tomorrow morning.
13 MR. MATTHEWS: Okay, I'll arrange that.
14 MR. COLLINS: If we do need some support, 15 then that would be the normal project lead at this 16 point anyway.
17 MR. MATTHEWS: That's great, and that's the 18 level we'll take it through, as opposed to through the 19 Ops Center.
20 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
Do you happen to know 21 what that is?
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me back if (inaudible).
2 MR. COLLINS: Thanks for your support, 3
David, I appreciate it.
4 MR. MATTHEWS: You bet, but you call me 5
back if you need any help.
6 MR. COLLINS: It might be Vic Nerses.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: I think it's (inaudible).
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
9 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, do we the Unit 3 Sup 10 on the line at Millstone, maybe he can give us an 11 update?
12 MR. SABBER: Richard Sabber.
13 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, Rich.
Can you go 14 over - are you in a normal electrical line-up now, and 15 do you have all the safety equipment available?
16 MR. SABBER: We are in a normal electrical 17 line-up, and we have all safety equipment available, 18 except for turbine-driven AUX feed water pump, which 19 was found where the trip valve was tripped and we 20 haven't reset the trip valve yet.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Did the turbine driven 22 aux feed pump respond, did Aux Feed come on?
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did not respond, is that the case?
2 MR. PARTICIPANT: It looks like, I mean, 3
the first call would be when they tried to respond the 4
trip valve tripped open on it.
So, there's one valve 5
in the steam lines for the turbine-driven aux feed 6
water pump that tripped off on us, so we haven't reset 7
it yet.
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: You have not reset that, 9
but you didn't need it because both motor drivens came 10 on?
11 MR.
PARTICIPANT:
That is a correct 12 statement, sir.
13 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
14 Did all the diesels respond?
15 MR.
PARTICIPANT:
- Sir, hold on, I
16 understand these are started, no problem, shut down 17 stand by.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, both diesels did 19 start, there was no problems, and they have since been 20 shut down.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
22 Are the MSRVs open or closed?
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event?
2 MR. PARTICIPANT: I do not know that, sir, 3
if you want to wait a second I can find out. Hold on, 4
please.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Jim, you are still on the 6
phone?
7 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, good, you have not 9
left to go in yet, right?
10 MR. WIGGINS: No.
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
12 We'll work at getting somebody maybe a 13 little closer than you in a minute here.
14 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
15 MR. PARTICIPANT: We still don't really 16 know what initiated this thing.
17 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, I'll ask Max if there 18 was any maintenance going on.
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Brian, it sounds to me 21 like we are going to need to go into our incident 22 response procedure.
23 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, it's Wayne Lanning, 24 I'm in the RSV, and we are beginning to get set up 25 here.
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MR. PARTICIPANT: Wayne, while you are 2
there, I don't have a branch chief coming in yet, and 3
maybe an SRA, Schmidt (phonetic) or Bill Cook 4
(phonetic), if you could try and reach them.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yeah, I tried (inaudible) 6 already, all right, we will.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Thank you.
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Tad Marsh, are you on the 9
line? The person who asked about the MSRVs, the MSRVs 10 went closed with the event.
11 MR.
COLLINS: Brian, it sounded like, 12 although certainly they can recap, but it sounded to 13 me like they had an SRV discharge, and then the MSRVs 14 closed, and then when they closed they had more open.
15 MR. PARTICIPANT: To my knowledge, sir, 16 (inaudible) again, and I think we are still trying to 17 figure out what initiated this. We're working on that, 18 so I haven't heard about anybody nailing it down yet.
19 MR. COLLINS: Okay, thank you.
20 MR. HOLIAN: Rich, Brian Holian from the 21 NRC, was there any maintenance going on at all in the 22 system?
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will find out for you about that and have him report.
2 MR. COLLINS: Hold on just a second before 3
you leave the phone.
4 Brian?
5 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.
6 MR. COLLINS: I think we thought we don't 7
want to get too detailed into the initiation of the 8
event right now, until we understand where the 9
licensee is in their declaration and the stability of 10 the system.
11 Is your line (inaudible) -
12 MR. HOLIAN: I just wanted to know, Sam, if 13 anything else was affected, and we don't need it right 14
- now, but, you know, sometimes down at Calvert 15 (phonetic) we had safety valves, ADVs, and some of the 16 controls circuitry affected.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
18 MR. HOLIAN: But, we'll get that from an 19 update.
20 MR. COLLINS: I mean, your focus is right, 21 we need to be sure that there's not an ongoing 22 activity right now that would reinitiate the event or 23 exacerbate the plant condition.
24 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.
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for the root cause of the event, it could be similar, 2
but it could be different.
3 So, I understand what you are doing, 4
that's fine.
5 MR.
SABBER:
If it's okay with you 6
gentlemen, thifb is Rich Sabber, is it okay for me to 7
continue turning over again, to Mike Gobeli?
8 MR. COLLINS: Yes, thank you, Rich.
9 MS. SCRENCI: This is Diane Screnci, I just 10 wanted to let you know I was on the line.
11 MR. COLLINS: Hi, Diane, how are you?
12 MS. SCRENCI: Oh, I'm good thanks, how are 13 you?
14 MR. COLLINS: I'm all right.
15 How far are you along as far as the event 16 is concerned?
17 MS. SCRENCI: I heard the discussion on the 18 basis for the declaration, so I know that there was an 19 automatic shut down, following a stuck open steam line 20 valve. Plant conditions are normal now after the shut 21 down, they are looking into the cause.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
23 Diane, they have activated EOF.
24 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
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communications person either in the EOF or getting 2
there.
3 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
4 MR. COLLINS: Would you have a way to get 5
in touch with them yourself, or do you want to work 6
that through this bridge?
7 MS. SCRENCI: I may be able to do it 8
myself.
9 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
It might be good if 10 you were to talk to them.
11 MS. SCRENCI: Yes.
12 MR. COLLINS: To get an understanding of 13 where they are and what their notifications are, and 14 then as soon as you are aligned and comfortable with 15 the event, then you can keep up the speed as we move 16 forward.
17 MS. SCRENCI: Okay.
18 MR. COLLINS: Does that make sense to you?
19 MS. SCRENCI: Yeah.
20 MR.
PARTICIPANT:
- Jim, this is Wayne 21 Lanning in the NRC, is the licensee communicator still 22 on the line?
23 MR. GOBELI: Wayne, this is Mike Gobeli, 24 Station Duty Officer, Unit 3. I have my Manager of 25 Communications out at the EOF, who wants to turn over.
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I've given them the information I had, Rich Sabber has 2
been maintaining communication with you, and my 3
Manager of Communications wants to know how to get 4
into this bridge, or whether they should just call on 5
the Emergency Notification System.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay, just so I'm clear, this 7
is Sam Collins, thank you for that.
8 The Manager of Communications, is that a 9
Public Affairs officer, or is that a -
10 MR. PARTICIPANT: No, I'm trying to find 11 out, Mike, if you've actuated your ERDS system.
12 MR. GOBELI: Did they try to actuate the 13 ERDS system, (inaudible) did we actuate ERDS yet?
14 MR. PARTICIPANT: Did we activate the ERDS, 15 (inaudible) to the NRC so they can see our data.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Brian, are you on the 17 line?
18 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, Brian Holian here.
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, Tim, are you on the 20 line?
21 MR. McGINTY: Yes, McGinty is here.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Tim, thank you.
23 Brian, would you take over the lead right 24 now, because you may lose me, I'm on a cell phone.
25 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.
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MR. COLLINS: Take over the lead for the 2
line of questioning for those of us who are not in the 3
Incident Response Center.
4 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah.
5 MR. COLLINS: Work with Tim for turn over 6
to Wayne.
7 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.
8 MR. COLLINS: Since he's in the Incident 9
Response Center, he's in a better position for 10 (inaudible) and contact and central point of 11 continuity, so that you and I become more listeners 12 and coaches, and not the point.
13 If Wayne is there, and we are in a 14 monitoring mode, then Wayne needs to be the lead.
15 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, okay, will do, Sam, and 16 I'll make sure Wayne gets enough staff in here.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
18 Tim, are you okay with that?
19 MR. McGINTY: I'm fine with that.
If I 20 understand the licensee correctly, they are requesting 21 that we establish ENS from their EOC, and to release 22 the folks that are associated with the Control Room, 23 and I think we ought to allow them to do that, and 24 establish the continuous communications from our 25 Incident Response Center to the communicator in the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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EOF.
2 MR. COLLINS: So, basically, Tim, you are 3
saying we can put them on this bridge now.
Wayne 4
Lanning is staying on this bridge, correct?
5 MR. McGINTY: Yes, we should allow that 6
turn over.
7 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
8 MR. McGINTY: And, I think they've turned 9
on -
turned over, and Mike Gobeli, you can have your 10 person in EOF call into the Headquarters Ops number, 11 correct, Tim?
12 MR. WIGGINS: That's correct, and then just 13 request to tie into this communication bridge.
14 MR. COLLINS: Will you give him that number 15 just to make sure, Tim?
16 MR. McGINTY: Yes, sir, it's 301-816-5100.
17 MR. GOBELI: That's 301-816-5100.
- And, 18 they want to call in there and request to tie into the 19 bridge?
20 MR. McGINTY: This communication bridge, so 21 you can turn over, sir.
22 MR. COLLINS: So, we can turn over.
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you can see our data.
2 MR. McGINTY: So, you are working on that?
3 MR. GOBELI: That's correct, it's working.
4 MR. LANNING: It's Wayne Lanning, NRC, let 5
us know when are successful at that, please.
6 MR. GOBELI: We'll let you know when we are 7
successful with ERDS.
8 MR. LANNING: Thank you.
9 MR. COLLINS: Okay, Brian, when you are 10 comfortable I'll let you take the lead on ensuring 11 Wayne is up to speed and he knows who is on the 12 bridges and what the outstanding questions are, and 13 who has the lead at different points to us.
14 My understanding is that Bob Bores is 15 available and making notifications.
Diane is 16 available and is getting up to speed from talking with 17 the licensee.
Wayne is in the Incident Response 18 Center, the point for the region as soon as you are 19 comfortable turning over for the monitoring mode lead, 20 and Jim is briefing the executive level there in 21 Headquarters.
22 There should be a PM coming on the line 23 before much longer.
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the tech staffing.
2 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, right now Max Snyder is 3
on the way in to the site.
We are still trying to 4
reach either Kevin Mangin or Silas Kennedy, the other 5
resident.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
7 MR. HOLIAN: And, we'll continue to do 8
that.
9 MR. COLLINS: All right.
10 Do we need -
11 MR. HOLIAN: We're working on an SRA also.
12 MR. COLLINS: Okay, thank you.
13 Wayne, if you would - do you have somebody 14 there to be thinking about the appropriate follow-up 15 if the event is stable and the licensee is in a 16 position to undeclare the alert, and we are in the 17 follow-up mode?
18 MR. LANNING: Yes, Sam, we are getting set 19 up here, establishing communication bridges. We have 20 them coming in.
21 MR. HOLIAN: Wayne, at this point can you 22 summarize whether you need us to help you get 23 additional people in?
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Krohn?
2 MR. HOLIAN: We are still trying.
I'll 3
have Headquarters Ops Officer try and Paul Krohn.
4 MR. COSTA: I haven't been able to get hold 5
of him, I left a message on his cell phone. I have not 6
been able -
he has not returned his call yet.
7 MR. LANNING: All right, that's fine, thank 8
you.
9 MR. HOLIAN: And, Wayne, right now do you 10 need another DRS branch chief, I can try Brian 11 McDermott (phonetic).
12 MR. LANNING: I've got a DRS branch chief 13 on his way.
14 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.
15 MR. TRAPP: Wayne, I can come in too, if 16 you need me, this is Jim Trapp.
17 MR. COLLINS: Wayne, if you let us know 18 when you are comfortable with what you have for 19 communication and bridges, then that would help Brian 20 and I understand the status of the turn over to you.
21 MR. LANNING: I've got that, Sam, as soon 22 as we get bridges established I'll let you know.
23 MR. COLLINS: Thank you.
24 MR. HOLIAN:
Mike Gobeli from Millstone, 25 are you still on?
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MR. GOBELI: Yes, I am.
I took over from 2
my Manager of Communications as of 10:25, I'm staying 3
on the line, he's calling in to the Headquarters and 4
asking for a communications bridge.
I'll turn it over 5
to him, he needs to let you know when ERDS has been 6
reestablished.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay, Mike, just going 8
over the event again, was it 8:29 in the morning, is 9
that correct?
10 MR. GOBELI: That is correct.
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: The alert was declared at 12 when?
13 MR. GOBELI: 8:42.
14 MR. PARTICIPANT: 8:42?
15 MR. GOBELI: That's correct.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: First indications again 17 in the Control Room, can you go over the sequence of 18 the lifting relief? Do you have that handy?
19 MR. GOBELI: The sequence of the lifting 20 reliefs, I know it was the bravo steam generator had 21 a main steam safety valve lift.
I know that 22 subsequently reseated.
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reseated, and subsequently the bravo and Charlie main 2
steam safety valves lifted.
3 At one point, there was a report from the 4
field that we had five main steam safeties lifted.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: That is five out of how 6
many?.
7 MR. GOBELI: And, as of 09:31, the report 8
was that all the main steam safety valves had seated.
9 MR. LANNING: That is five out of how many 10 safeties?
11 MR. GOBELI: I'm not sure. Wayne, how many 12 steam safeties do you have in this plant? Okay, five 13 steam safeties on four steam generators, or four - 20 14 main steam safety valves total.
15 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Brian, can I ask a question, 17 this is Jim.
18 MR. HOLIAN: Yes, Jim.
19 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, Millstone, this is Jim 20 Wiggins, the Deputy Regional Administrator. Just one 21 technical question.
22 With your plant, what should be opening 23 the safeties, is it just purely pressure, or does it 24 have a command open function in some way?
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2, this is Millstone 3, hang on.
2 Ray, can you tell -
I've got Jim Wiggins 3
on here from the NRC and he wanted to know what gives 4
the command to open those main steam safeties?
I'm 5
giving you Ray Martin (phonetic), he's the Shift 6
Manager on Unit 3.
He should be able to answer a 7
technical question.
8 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
9 MR. MARTIN: This is the Unit 3 Control 10 Room.
This is Ray Martin, I'm an SRO Unit 3 - who am 11 I talking to?
12 MR. WIGGINS: This is Jim Wiggins, I'm the 13 Deputy Regional Administrator for Region 1, and we 14 have a whole bunch of other people.
15 MR. MARTIN: Jim Wiggins and several other 16 people, go ahead.
17 MR. WIGGINS: So, the question I was asking 18 is, what causes these valves to open? Are they pure 19 safety valves, they open on pressure, or is there a 20 relief function that there's a command opening that 21 can be done for a control system or somewhat?
22 MR. MARTIN: They open on pure pressure.
23 They are mechanical.
24 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
And, was there any 25 prior work going on in the area that would have -
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MR. MARTIN: No work around the safeties.
2 They did lift on a steam generator that we did have an 3
I & C type pressure card replaced this week.
We're 4
looking at two possibilities, the safety lifting on 5
its own, starting the event, or possibly the pressure 6
channel, one of the three pressure channels on the 7
steam generator, spiking low, starting the event.
8 MR. HOLIAN: And, can you, this is Brian 9
Holian, you would have - Jim Wiggins' question was, do 10 you need an actual high pressure condition, or would 11 the -
do you have a system logic that would also open 12 them?
13 MR. MARTIN: We don't have a system logic 14 that would open the safeties.
We have atmospheric 15 dump valves, which are controlled electronically, and 16 sensing -
off a pressure instrument, it looked like 17 the safeties were lifting well.
In other words, we 18 didn't see pressures in the steam generators, they 19 should be near 1185 to lift, we didn't see them go 20 above 1150, but we are going to check that.
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(phonetic).
2 MR. WIGGINS: Right, what's the normal -
3 what was the steam generator pressure normally prior 4
to the event?
5 MR. MARTIN: Good question.
Our normal 6
pressure runs about 1000 pounds.
7 MR. WIGGINS: And, did you see indications 8
of elevated pressure on the generators where the valve 9
lifted, or haven't you gotten that far yet?
10 MR.
MARTIN: My Event Review Team is 11 looking at that, did not see any -
it happened fast 12 and we did not see anything leading up to the possible 13 cause.
14 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
15 All right, Brian, you were asking -
you 16 have control of the questions?
17 MR. HOLIAN: Yeah, Jim.
18 MR. WIGGINS: All right, good, thanks.
19 MR.
HOLIAN:
Atmospheric valves also 20 lifted, licensee?
21 MR. MARTIN: Are you asking me if the 22 pressurized safety valves lifted?
23 MR. HOLIAN: No, atmospheric dump valves.
24 MR. MARTIN: On the steam generators?
25 MR. HOLIAN: Yes.
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MR. MARTIN: I'm not sure about that, they 2
should have.
3 MR. HOLIAN: Jim Trapp, do you have other 4
questions?
5 MR. TRAPP: No, I don't.
6 MR.
RYAN: This is John Ryan of the 7
Millstone Station Emergency Organization, I'm the 8
Manager of Communications establishing contact with 9
the NRC bridge.
10 MR. TRAPP: Brian, this is Jim Trapp again.
11 The only concern I would have is if they are coming 12 back up to normal operating temperature and pressure, 13 and the reliefs are open and low, you know, what's to 14 make the relief not open again.
15 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, hold on guys, Brian and 16 Jim Trapp, this is Jim Wiggins.
We just had the 17 Dominion's individual at the EOF, the communicator, 18 come on.
Brian, why don't you just acknowledge that 19 and see if they have an answer to the question about 20 the security-related activities.
21 MR. LANNING: Yeah, it's Wayne Lanning.
22 Let me interrupt a second.
23 Jim Trapp, can you join me, please, and 24 IRC?
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on my way, Wayne, I'll be about an hour.
2 MR. WHITE: And, Jim Wiggins, this is John 3
White.
4 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
5 MR. WHITE: I just talked to Jimmy Smith, 6
he's the Security Operations Manager, right now he's 7
in the TSC (phonetic).
He indicates that he has his 8
full staff on board.
They have not ruled out the 9
tampering question, they have brought two teams that 10 have been dispatched to the plant to look at 11 electrical boxes and the pump, but they have no 12 evidence right now of tampering.
However, they have 13 not ruled it out as a possibility, and it's still a 14 question that they haven't resolved.
15 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
16
- Now, this is Jim Wiggins again, the 17 Millstone communications officer in the EOF, are you 18 still on the line?
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes, I am on the line.
20 MR. WIGGINS: All right, this is John Ryan, 21 You just heard our Security Branch Chief's report that 22 he got from your security manager, is that how you 23 understand it in the EOF?
24 MR. PARTICIPANT: We were - I was not aware 25 that you were talking to the Security Manager, but Mr.
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Smith at DSE (phonetic) would be the manager of 2
security.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Right, we know that, we have 4
a normal contact we make through our management with 5
your management.
6 There was a question with regard to 7
whether there was a security-related element or have 8
you ruled out the possibility of a security-related 9
element, tampering or something like that, as part of 10 the cause that spurred this event, and that was the 11 question.
I presume that got passed to you, to your 12 turn over?
13 MR. PARTICIPANT: That was not given to me 14 in the turn over, but I will ask the Director of 15 Station Emergency Operations as to whether or not he 16 has made any ruling on that.
17 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
18 And then, while you are asking the 19 Emergency Director, we would like to have at least a 20 brief conversation with the Senior Dominion individual 21 leading the response, which I presume would be the 22 Emergency Director at this time?
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them.
So, when you are talking to them, can you ask 2
the individual when - you know, if we can talk, and if 3
not when we could talk, and let us know?
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: I understand you want to 5
talk to the Director of Station Emergency Operations 6
when he is available, and I will -
7 MR. WIGGINS: When he's available, not to 8
interfere with his main duties at this point.
9 MR.
PARTICIPANT: I understand not to 10 interfere with main duties.
11 How would you like him to communicate?
12 MR. WIGGINS: He can get on this line.
13 MR. PARTICIPANT: The line that I'm on?
14 MR. WIGGINS: He can call in separately, or 15 he can take the phone from you, either, your call.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understand, separately or 17 take the call.
18 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
19 MR. GOBELI: Jim Wiggins Mike Gobeli from 20 Millstone 2. Millstone 3.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
22
- Now, that you have our Manager of 23 Communications, John Ryan on this bridge, can I secure 24 this link?
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you have any problem with that?
I don't.
2 MR. LANNING: No, that's fine.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, fine, go ahead and 4
secure it.
If we need you, we'll go through the EOF.
5 MR. GOBELI: All right.
6 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam, I'm still 7
on the line.
I am monitoring at this point.
While 8
you were briefing Ellis and Jim Dyer, we were 9
establishing a turn over to Wayne, as soon as he gets 10 it staffed up, and establishes the lines of 11 communication than we'll turn over to Wayne for the 12 lead.
13 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
14 MR. COLLINS: For the monitoring mode in 15 the Incident Response Center.
16 Did any issues come out of the call with 17 Ellis?
18 MR. WIGGINS: Well, Jim Dyer didn't -
they 19 never got him on that line. We'll need to make sure we 20 can brief him separately, and Ellis, you know, his 21 only addition is just, don't forget to do a TA brief 22 at some point.
23 I told him as soon as we got settled in 24 the Incident Response Center, got our communications 25 up, and had a better understanding, we'd do it.
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MR. COLLINS: Sure.
2 MR. WIGGINS: He seemed to agree with that.
3 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
We are attempting to 4
get the PM involved in the call. Dave Matthews signed 5
off for Headquarters Duty Officer responsibility.
6 When we get the PM on board and up to speed then, 7
perhaps, he and Wayne can brief Jim Dyer when it's 8
appropriate.
9 MR. PARTICIPANT: Sam, this is (inaudible),
10 I'll take care of getting the PMs.
I'll probably have 11 them go into Headquarters Ops Center.
12 MR. COLLINS: Okay, thank you.
13 And also, we asked that Jim Trapp is 14 responding to the Incident Response Center at Wayne's 15 request.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, I heard that.
17 MR. COLLINS: Okay, I believe they are up 18 to speed on everything else.
19 MR. WIGGINS: Yeah, all right.
20 So, we just need to understand, we have 21 right now management briefs that is probably fairly 22 large, and includes the licensee on this.
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when - as soon as he has someone who can talk to the 2
safety people and we can put the licensee on that, or 3
at least an ENS bridge, and we can put the licensee on 4
the ENS, then we can separate and the management -
5 bridge can talk among themselves.
6 MR. COLLINS: Okay.
7 What's next, Brian Holian.
8 MR. LANNING: This is Lanning (phonnetic),
9 just a status for us here.
We are still waiting for 10 some communicators before we can get everything set 11 up.
12 MR. WIGGINS: Okay, Wayne.
13 Wayne, you know the Ops Center has an ENS 14 bridge up, as I understand it, and has this bridge, 15 which is really a large management bridge, okay? So, 16 one of the things you'll need to get Felicia to help 17 you sort out, you know, phone bridges, put the right 18 people on the right bridge.
19 MR. LANNING: Right, Jim, I understand 20 that, will do.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
22 Now, I know that Diane is listening in for 23 Public Affairs, have we heard back from Bores yet on 24 whether he's made his required notifications or 25 whether he needs some help with that?
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9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 63 MR. LANNING: We haven't, Jim.
Diane was going to get in touch with a communications lead from Millstone to be sure that she understood what they knew and what their message was.
I'm not sure she's back on our bridge yet from that.
MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
Bob Bores we haven't heard from.
MR. McGINTY: Jim Wiggins, this is McGinty.
(Whereupon, tape one, side A ended.)
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