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| Site: | Millstone  |
| Issue date: | 04/17/2005 |
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| 41607, FOIA/PA-2005-0207, NRC-372 | |
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3 Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
CFVl tl. f L)d&A+A Telephone Conversations at
-4 NRC Headquarters during the Millstone Alert Declaration on April 17, 2005 CZ7 Mr.,S-o f Ctvm Event Number: 41607 c-.::
Location: (telephone conference)
Tape: NRC TAPE 2, SIDE A, 11:01-13:04 Work Order No.: NRC-372 Pages 1-21 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3
4 HEADQUARTERS OPERATIONS CENTER 5
6 TELEPHONE CONVERSATION(S) 7 RE MILLSTONE ALERT DECLARATION 8 OF APRIL 17, 2005 9
10 EVENT NO. 41607 11 NRC Bridge Tape 2, Side A, 11:01-13:04 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I -N-G-S 2 MR. PRICE: We currently have -- we did go 3 solid in our pressurizer. We have recovered 4 pressurizer level and pressure is steady. And have an 5 individual standing in front of the status board. But 6 we have 64 percent in the pressurizer and we are at 7 roughly 2200 pounds in the primary coolant system. So 8 we have pressure control and we have pressurizer level 9 restored to scale.
10 We have transitioned to our emergency 11 procedure ES1.1 safety injection termination. And we 12 have terminated the safety injection and we're back on 13 normal charging and let down.
14 We declared our alert charlie 1 based on 15 our tables, which give you direct alert classification 16 based on a main steam safety valve stuck open. The 17 reason that we classified that is we had a safety 18 valve on the bravo steam generator which had opened 19 below its set point. And right now we don't know if 20 that was the initiator of the safety injection or came 21 immediately after the safety injection signal. But 22 based on the fact that that steam generator safety 23 valve opened below its set point, the shift manager 24 made the classification of alert charlie 1, and that's 25 the classification that we remain in.
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3 1 We have not yet reached conclusion, but 2 what we are considering here in the EOF is what 3 determination criteria would be.
4 With the Millstone Unit 3 design, we are 5 currently on the atmospheric dump valves because we 6 have a main steam isolation signal that we have 7 manually injected. So our ability to dump steam to the 8 condenser is limited at this time. We don't have that 9 capability at this time and we're evaluating our 10 options to restore the ability to dump steam to the 11 condenser. So right now we're on an atmospheric dump 12 valve that's cycling periodically to remove decay 13 heat.
14 So we're looking at our termination 15 criteria for the alert. And we believe that we are 16 there right now, but we're also looking at other 17 indications for a notification of unusual event 18 criteria. I don't believe that we see any at this 19 time, but we're still going through the thought 20 process for what we need to do in order to terminate 21 from the event. And as soon as we have reached those 22 conclusions, I'll be happy to call you back on this 23 bridge.
24 We do have people at the state armory.
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4 1 the state had arrived yet, only the Dominion staff was 2 there. And we have a number members of our corporate 3 EOF staff who have already responded to the corporate 4 EOFs, and we have been in conversations with them.
5 Do you have any follow up questions right 6 now?
7 MR. HOLIAN: Yes. Mr. Price. Brian Holian 8 from Region I.
9 Did -- you said bravo steam generator 10 lifted a little bit low. We had understood at about 11 1100 pounds, but that's still a 100 pounds above 12 normal. Was there any indication of why the steam 13 generator was that high even?
14 MR. PRICE: I do not have that detail at 15 this time, sir.
16 MR. LANNING: Allen, it's Wayne. We still 17 need you to activate ERD's for us.
18 MR. PRICE: Yes, sir.
19 MR. LANNING: Could you give me an 20 estimate of when that might occur?
21 MR. PRICE: We'll get that, Wayne, and get 22 that. In fact, let me see if I can get that 23 information while we're on the phone. Can you hold one 24 second, please.
25 MR. LANNING: Yes.
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5 1 MR. PRICE: Thank you.
2 MR. WIGGINS: Wayne?
3 MR. LANNING: Yes, Jim.
4 MR. WIGGINS: This is Jim. Well we have 5 Allen. He seems to have a fairly complete story. We 6 should ask him, you know maybe we're looking at this 7 thing all wrong. We should say, you know, maybe this 8 thing started at the primary side.
9 MR. PRICE: I'm glad to get that 10 information.
11 MR. WIGGINS: We ought to ask him if he's 12 got any chemistry data on -- or you know, anything 13 like that that he ruled any reactor oriented thing 14 out. So, it's up to you, Wayne. You know, ask him 15 when you think it's appropriate.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Also, we haven't asked 17 about fuel leakers, have we?
18 MR. LANNING: No.
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: And rad release. Their 20 estimate of rad release.
21 MR. LANNING: Allen, are you back?
22 MR. PRICE: Yes, sir, I am.
23 MR. LANNING: Okay. I understand you were 24 not able to get a time for activating ERDS?
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6 1 sent to me now.
2 MR. LANNING: Okay. I'm also interested 3 in what estimation is of any releases and any 4 chemistry samples that you have ongoing at the primary 5 site?
6 MR. PRICE: We have no indications of any 7 rad levels above normal. We have done some sampling 8 from steam generators, and we have no indications of 9 any primary or secondary leak. So our rad levels at 10 this time are normal.
11 We did put some water from our charging 12 system from a relief valve on a recirc line into the 13 aux building. The last report that I had was that 14 water was clean.
15 MR. HOLIAN: Allen, this is Brian Holian.
16 Have you been operating with any fuel 17 leakers at all?
18 MR. PRICE: No, sir. No, sir.
19 MR. HOLIAN: Okay.
20 MR. RYAN: John Ryan.
21 We are presently on normal charging and 22 letdown.
23 MR. PRICE: Thank you, John.
24 MR. COLLINS: Jim, this is Sam.
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7 1 get an answer for that?
2 MR. WIGGINS: No, I hadn't heard an 3 answer.
4 MR. PRICE: The maximum primary pressure 5 that I believe we have seen has been on the order of 6 2330 pounds. That is below the set point of our power 7 operated relief valve and it's also below the set 8 point of safety valves.
9 Having said that, we have gotten some 10 information from the control room that indicated they 11 think they had a leakage from a safety valve. And we 12 do have, the last I looked, about 74 or 75 percent 13 level in our pressurizer relief tank. So we do 14 believe that we have some leakage coming from either 15 a PORV or a safety value.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Allen, this is Jim just to 17 follow up. Do you think the PRT is intact still, or do 18 you think it ruptured --
19 MR. PRICE: It has a ruptured disk, and I 20 do not believe that ruptured disk has been challenged 21 as of yet. That is correct.
22 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
23 MR. PARTICIPANT: This is (Inaudible) at 24 the present time about (Inaudible) in the PRT which 25 has a relief tank. And the tank showed that it is NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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8 1 intact at this time.
2 MR. PRICE: Thank you, John.
3 MR. LANNING: John, would you say that 4 again? I could not hear you. The PRT is intact?
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: That is correct. The 6 PRT level is increasing slowly, rising slowly and it 7 is at 82 percent. And the pressure is 64 -- almost 65 8 pounds psi.
9 MR. LANNING: Do you have any indication 10 of other leakage? Sump or otherwise?
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: I will have to get back 12 to you on that.
13 MR. PRICE: I'm sorry. I could not hear 14 that question. Could you please ask it again?
15 MR. LANNING: The question is do you have 16 indication of leakage by way of (Inaudible) or 17 otherwise inside containment?
18 MR. PRICE: There is none to my 19 knowledge.
20 MR. LANNING: Could you verify that for 21 me?
22 MR. PRICE: Yes, I will.
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9 1 they did not have the lift, but there is leakage by 2 one of the vales?
3 MR. PRICE: Is that Sam?
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
5 MR. PRICE: From the data that I have, 6 Sam, we should not -- we did not meet the set point 7 for safety valves. But it would appear -- once again, 8 I don't have all that data in front of me. But we do 9 have indications, I believe, from a tailpipe, RTD, 10 that we had indications of a safety valve lift.
11 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And -- okay. So any 12 leakage that you would have now would be a result of 13 the event? You didn't have that leakage before? If 14 you did, I presume you would have closed the isolation 15 valve?
16 MR. PRICE: That is correct.
17 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: I'm sorry. Sam, just to 19 clarify that, Mr. Price, that was you're getting an 20 RTD on one of the safety valves that doesn't have a 21 block?
22 MR. PRICE: The safety valves do not have 23 a block. The PORVs do.
24 MR. PARTICIPANT: I have it. Okay. Thank 25 you.
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10 1 MR. PRICE: I was just handed a note that 2 our ERDS system is running. We have the capability.
3 So you all should have that capability at this time.
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: (Inaudible) you 6 evacuated ERD's (Inaudible).
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Mr. Price (Inaudible) 8 are you the emergency director now?
9 MR. PRICE: No, I am not. Bill Hoffner 10 is.
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Bill Hoffner?
12 MR. PRICE: That is correct.
13 And I was just handed a note we have no 14 indication of input to the containment sump in Unit 3.
15 No indications.
16 MR. LANNING: Okay. Any other questions?
17 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Wayne, I'd like Allen 18 to understand from Allen what's the path forward as he 19 sees it. What's his immediate plan? You know, there 20 is a rising level in the PRT. Something that goes in 21 there is leaking. If they did go solid in the 22 pressurizer, I know -- I have a sense that these 23 safety valves might not like water very much.
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11 1 know, what's the way out, Allen? What are you going to 2 take the plant?
3 MR. PRICE: Well, clearly -- clearly our 4 first challenge was to -- was to take care of the 5 solid pressurizer conditions. We have done that. And 6 to make sure that we have stable relationship between 7 the primary and the secondary. I believe we have 8 that.
9 So we've worked our way through the 10 pressurizer -- through the safety injection 11 termination criteria, the communications between the 12 primary and the secondary; we've got that stable. And 13 now what I have to do is pretty quickly get off this 14 phone and converse with the control room and the TSE 15 to understand exactly the answer to that question.
16 I would imagine we're going to be moving 17 into a further cool down on the primary.
18 MR. LANNING: Allen, it's Wayne again.
19 We are not able to detect that you've 20 actuated ERDS.
21 MR. PRICE: Okay. Let me check into that.
22 And then we'll try our best to understand why that 23 communication is not taking place.
24 Should we call back on this bridge number 25 and for whom should we ask?
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12 1 MR. LANNING: (Inaudible) and ask for 2 Lanning.
3 MR. PRICE: Okay. I understand we'll ask 4 for Wayne Lanning and we'll try to get ERDS initiated 5 with you all.
6 MR. LANNING: All right. Does the staff 7 have any other questions before we move forward?
8 MR. COLLINS: None for me, Wayne. I 9 MR. LANNING: Okay.
10 MR. WIGGINS: We'll call you back just as 11 quickly as we can.
12 MR. LANNING: Okay, Allen. Thanks for 13 that.
14 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, sir.
15 MR. LANNING: All right.
16 MR. WIGGINS: All right. Wayne?
17 MR. LANNING: Yes.
18 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. This is Jim. I think we 19 have a fuller picture. I think we need to -- if 20 you've got a handle on it, I'm going to ask you to 21 work through the ops center to get Ellis back and give 22 him a better conversation. Maybe this time we get 23 Ellis and Jim Dwyer. Because there have been some 24 significant differences from when I last talked to 25 them.
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13 1 Ellis was right. He got the pressurizer 2 was going to go solid. He was right on on that. But I 3 think we need to tell them that there's a -- you know, 4 all that we just heard from Allen Price. Okay.
5 MR. HOLIAN: And Jim and Wayne, we still 6 do have a good understanding of why pressure went high 7 originally.
8 MR. WIGGINS: Yes. Well Brian, we don't 9 know what started this whole thing.
10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
11 MR. WIGGINS: But right now, you know, the 12 licensee is going to deal with the symptoms and I 13 think we got to deal with it also.
14 You know, I'm pretty -- I think we got to 15 focus on the fact that there is still a leakage on the 16 primary side. So there is now -- that PRT isn't just 17 going for no reason.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Right. And this does 19 not turn around on its own.
20 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: They're going to have to 22 do something with the plant. And it's going to be a 23 while.
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14 1 should be able to pump the pressure of the relief tank 2 there like (Inaudible) tank, maybe to stop it from 3 opening either way. You can ask that later.
4 MR. WIGGINS: You know, I presume the 5 licensee has got procedures or processes for dealing 6 with this, and Max ought to check that out.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
8 MR. WIGGINS: But you're right, Brian. We 9 got to understand what they intend to do with this.
10 And a ruptured PRT is just a housekeeping issue.
11 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. That's right.
12 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. But what's more 13 important to me appears to be that there's stuff going 14 into it. Not where does the out going to go. The 15 containment's intact, they should be okay. Right, the 16 PRT is in the containment, right?
17 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Yes, it is.
18 MR. LANNING: All right. Jim, we'll want 19 to keep Max on the reactor safety link when we get 20 ready to separate those bridges.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Brian, you ought to ask the 22 question also with Max does he need reinforcements.
23 And if he can't find Silas or Kevin, who is next and 24 do we need to spin them up and get them going.
25 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right.
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15 1 MR. WIGGINS: You know, start thinking 2 about this thing taking a while.
3 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Okay.
4 MR. WIGGINS: You know, the licensee --
5 you know, Allen Price is probably going to have to 6 make some decision to stop that leakage into the --
7 coming out of the RCS, right?
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
9 MR. WIGGINS: So, you know, this is going 10 to be a while if they have to get the plant kind of 11 cold.
12 MR. PARTICIPANT: And right now we'll have 13 to look at that. I guess the indication is only one 14 relief lifting. We'll have to clarify that. I mean _
15 one relief leaking, sorry.
16 MR. WIGGINS: Well, you know, they just 17 see it on a tailpipe, I guess.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: No.
19 MR. WIGGINS: No. They saw that's where 20 it lifted. (Inaudible) 21 MR. PARTICIPANT: We'll have to clarify 22 that.
23 MR. WIGGINS: Brian, you know --
24 MR. COLLINS: I'm sorry. This is Sam.
25 Are we ready to turn over to Wayne?
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16 1 MR. WIGGINS: Is Wayne ready to take it?
2 MR. LANNING: Wayne is ready to take it.
3 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. So for the purposes--
4 MR. LANNING: I think we have now 5 separated the management bridge and the reactor safety 6 bridge.
7 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Which one are we on 8 right now, Wayne?
9 MR. LANNING: We're on the management 10 bridge.
11 MR. WIGGINS: Okay.
12 MR. PARTICIPANT: Wayne, do you -- I'm 13 sorry. Do you have Max Schneider on the reactor 14 safety link from the control room?
15 MR. LANNING: That's affirmative.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. Good.
17 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. And do we have an 18 licensee management on this bridge at all?
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Headquarters ops 20 officer.
21 No, you don't.
22 MR. WIGGINS: Okay. Thank you very much.
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17 1 or is taking a lead for the event.
2 Wayne, do you need either Jim or I to be 3 in the incident response center at this time?
4 MR. LANNING: I think that's negative, 5 Sam. Randy just showed up and others are also 6 appearing. So I think we're all ready; 7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Jim, are you going to be 8 available during the day?
9 MR. WIGGINS: Part of the day until this 10 evening. I was supposed to go to dinner this evening, 11 but we'll see.
12 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. Let's do it this 13 way. Can you take it until 4:00 and I'll pick it up 14 at 4:00.
15 MR. WIGGINS: That works.
16 MR. PARTICIPANT: We'll contact.
17 MR. WIGGINS: Yes.
18 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. You and I will 19 swap at 4:00 and you can turn over to me. Jim?
20 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, we'll turn over at 21 4:00. We'll go through Wayne.
22 MR. COLLINS: Okay. And in the interim 23 period I'll let you manage the over to Wayne because 24 my battery is going to go dead here in just a minute.
25 MR. WIGGINS: Yes, let me take it then.
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18 1 All right.
2 MR. COLLINS: And then all we need to do -
3 - I don't think we've heard from Diane yet on the OPA 4 front.
5 MS. SCRENCI: I'm back on the phone. I 6 have not been successful in reaching Pete High _
7 (phonetic).
8 MR. COLLINS: Okay. I think Wayne can 9 manage that for you through the incident response 10 center there and the Region once we get done with the 11 turn over to Wayne.
12 MS. SCRENCI: Wayne, do you need me to 13 come in?
14 MR. LANNING: No. But, Diane, I do want 15 you on standby just in case.
16 MS. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
17 MR. COLLINS: Jim, and then what we would 18 want to do to support Wayne and Brian, you can help 19 here, is to be sure that we're comfortable in any 20 follow up to the site in support of the resident team.
21 MR. WIGGINS: Right.
22 MR. PARTICIPANT: For a longer term 23 approach.
24 MR. PARTICIPANT: Mike?
25 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
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19 1 MR. DYER: Hi, Jim. The reason you got 2 called, we got in touch with Glen, but they're going 3 to call Cain and you.
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understood.
5 MR. DYER: The initial report was that 6 tampering couldn't be ruled but they didn't believe it 7 -
8 MR. PARTICIPANT: Oh, okay.
9 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right. I appreciate 10 that.
11 MR. DYER: That was the initial blush with 12 to make the call. And I don't think it is, you know, 13 but they have just been -- you can pretty much detect, 14 they were running around. There was enough 15 complications on this that they -- they didn't have a 16 reason to believe, so they haven't -- so they haven't 17 pursued it yet. My guessing is is that they got a 18 fault on some sort of logic circuit somewhere that 19 opened up a steam generator safety relief valve or 20 something.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Okay.
22 MR. PARTICIPANT: But they'll sort all 23 that out. Like I said, you pretty much got the flavor 24 for the plant's stable and --
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20 1 notifications have been going on. And the new 2 national response plan is in effect?
3 MR. PARTICIPANT: That's my understanding.
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: So we've communicated to 5 DHS and the other headquarters counterpart?
6 MR. COLLINS: Yes.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: I don't think we're in 8 an incident of national security by any means, but we 9 need to follow our new procedures.
10 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Okay. Yes, and 11 I'm trusting Tim's got that. I haven't been following 12 that. I've been trying to figure out the event more 13 than anything else.
14 MR. PARTICIPANT: Understood. Understood.
15 MS. PARTICIPANT: I was in a car driving 16 when I got the call, and I went down to a galley in 17 the middle of -- towards Germantown, and I lost my 18 phone. And I said I'll just keep coming.
19 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes. Okay. Bye. Okay.
20 Thanks.
21 MR. PARTICIPANT: I'll hang on for the 22 Commissioners assistants brief.
23 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. You have what you 24 need there, Jim?
25 MR. PARTICIPANT: Yes.
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1 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay. Take care. You 2 don't need any additional DIR or staffing or anything?
3 MR. PARTICIPANT: No.
4 MR. PARTICIPANT: Okay.
5 MR. PARTICIPANT: All right. Thank you.
6 Bye-bye.
7 MR. PARTICIPANT: Bye-bye.
8 (Whereupon, end of NRC Bridge Tape 2, Side 9 A.)
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