ML19024A199

Subsequent License Renewal Scoping Meeting Surry Power Station Units 1 and 2

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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

Title: Subsequent License Renewal Scoping Meeting, Surry Power Station Units 1 and 2

Docket Number: 05000280 & 05000281

Location: Surry, Virginia Date: January 8, 2019

Work Order No.: NRC-0023 Pages 1-64

NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC. Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433

1 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

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SURRY POWER STATION, UNITS 1 AND 2

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SUBSEQUENT LICENSE RENEWAL SCOPING MEETING

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TUESDAY JANUARY 8, 2019

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The meeting was held in the Surry Administrator's Office at the Surry Government

Center, 45 School Street, Surry, Virginia, at 6:00

p.m., Daniel Mussatti, facilitating.

NRC STAFF PRESENT:

DANIEL MUSSATTI, Facilitator

EMMANUEL SAYOC, NRC

BENJAMIN BEASELEY, NRC

BARBARA HAYES, NRC

ROGER HANNAH, NRC

JOHN PELCHAT, NRC

EDWIN LEA, NRC

TAM TRAN, NRC 2 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Introduction and Purpose.........................

3 SLR Safety Review Overview......................

14 SLR Environmental Review Overview...............

19 Public Comments ..........................

28 Adjourn ..........................

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3 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 P R O C E E D I N G S 1 6:00 p.m.

2 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, good afternoon, 3 everybody.

4 My name is Daniel Mussatti and I am your 5 facilitator for tonight and I want to welcome you 6 here to -- for your participation in this scoping 7 meeting for the Surry Power Station Units 1 and 2 8 relicensing application.

9 As the facilitator, my job is to help 10 the meeting to run smoothly and on time and that the 11 information that we gather from this meeting is 12 helpful for us to develop the reports that are 13 coming out from -- in concert with this application.

14 There'll be a safety report that's 15 coming out, but this meeting is for the environment 16 impact analysis that has to be done as part of that 17 safety analysis.

18 And, the agenda today includes two main 19 speakers that are going to be giving presentations 20 on -- with PowerPoint slides. You can see them 21 through the television screens up above you.

22 Following that, we will take questions 23 from the audience as to the process. Not about the 24 4 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 plant itself or the application itself or nuclear 1 power in general, anything like that, about why is 2 it that you do it this way? Why is that you have a 3 public meeting like this and then you do this?

4 Anything about the process itself that you need 5 clarification on, we'll take questions from the 6 audience and then try to answer them to the best of 7 our ability.

8 Following that is going to be most 9 important part of this meeting and that's your input 10 as the public to us.

11 And, what we're asking you here very 12 simply is, what is your advice when it comes to 13 making sure that this environmental impact statement 14 we have to write is as good as it can possibly be.

15 You live here, you're the people that 16 have the biggest contact with the environment here.

17 And so, you would be the ones who would be able to 18 tell us: wait a minute, you don't know anything 19 about this little rock quarry down the road over 20 here that's going to be impacted by what's going on.

21 Or, this little wetland over here that 22 has an endangered species in it or something like 23 that. 24 5 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 These are the kinds of things we're 1 looking for so that we can make this as accurate as 2 possible an environmental impact statement which we 3 will send to you in a draft form or publish in a 4 draft form for you to look at and then you get to 5 come back here and tell us what we did wrong and 6 tell us what we need to adjust to make that final as 7 we possibly can.

8 Hopefully, we'll get 99.9 percent of it 9 right the first time based on the marvelous comments 10 we're going to be getting here tonight.

11 So, let's see what we can do about that.

12 Let me start by introducing the NRC team 13 and some of our guests that are in the room here.

14 The NRC team, we have three people that 15 are from the Licensing Renewal Branch at the NRR, 16 that's the Nuclear -- Office of Nuclear Reactor 17 Regulation.

18 And that would be Manny Sayoc, Manny, 19 where are you? There you are.

20 And, we have Tam Tran and we have 21 Barbara Hayes.

22 And, Tam and Tran are the environmental 23 project manager and Manny Sayoc is the safety 24 6 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 project manager.

1 MS. HAYES: Tam and Barb.

2 MR. MUSSATTI: Pardon?

3 MS. HAYES: Tam and Barb.

4 MR. MUSSATTI: Tam and Barb, okay.

5 We also have here with us the branch 6 chief of the Environmental and NEPA branch and 7 that's Ben Beasley here.

8 NEPA is an acronym that we use a lot.

9 It stands for the National Environmental Policy Act 10 which is the federal law that governs why in the 11 world we're doing this in the first place.

12 We also have here with us the Regional 13 Public Affairs Officers from Region II which 14 includes this area here and that would be Roger 15 Hannah and, oh I'm sorry, I got that wrong? That's 16 John Pelchat and Edwin Lee, isn't that right?

17 (OFF MICROPHONE COMMENTS) 18 MR. MUSSATTI: I got it wrong again?

19 (OFF MICROPHONE COMMENTS) 20 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, we have three guys 21 that are regional officers here. We have Roger 22 Hannah, he's the Senior Regional Public Affairs 23 Officer. And we have John Pelchat and Edwin Lea who 24 7 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 are Regional Government Affair -- Government Liaison 1 Officers. I think I got it right that time. Please 2 don't tell me I got it wrong.

3 (LAUGHTER) 4 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay. And, we have a 5 court reporter here as you can see up in the front 6 of the room. His name is Joseph Garry and he will 7 be recording this meeting for us and we can get a 8 clean transcript as a part of our public record.

9 So, I'm going to be giving you some 10 ground rules as to how we are going to ask your help 11 in doing that.

12 This is a Category III meeting which is 13 our way of designating that this meeting is to get 14 input from the audience. You're going to do more 15 talking than we are.

16 We are here to get information from you 17 and it lets us work with -- the Category III meeting 18 lets us work with the public so that we get as much 19 information that is accurate and timely about the 20 area that we're dealing with so that we can do our 21 job like I said a little bit earlier.

22 You can submit your verbal testimony, 23 your comments tonight after we get done with our 24 8 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 presentations. And, if you have any follow up 1 things that you think of later on after you're done 2 leaving here tonight or on another topic or you 3 didn't speak tonight and just have something you 4 want to say, there's a process for you to be able to 5 submit formal written comments regarding relicensing 6 Surry Units 1 and 2 and we will have slides up later 7 on that will have that information.

8 There are handouts out there that have 9 all the slides out there for you. You can pick up a 10 set of those on the way out. It'll have all that 11 information as to how to do that.

12 Okay, first of all, some housekeeping 13 items. 14 The mission of the Nuclear Regulatory 15 Commission is a safety mission. And, in that sense, 16 I would like to start off by doing some safety and 17 basic things here.

18 First of all, if we need to get out of 19 this building for any reason, a fire drill, anything 20 like that, the people on this side of the house, 21 please leave from that door.

22 The people on this side of the house, 23 please leave through that back door that's right 24 9 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 over there.

1 Head out through the lobby and across 2 the street to the other side and we will gather 3 there. And, the reason that we kept asking 4 everybody here to sign in when they came in is that, 5 once we've got everybody across the street, we're 6 going to do a roll call.

7 Because if we do a roll call and 8 somebody doesn't answer, there's a possibility that 9 they didn't get out of the building and we would 10 have to send our stalwart police officers back 11 inside to save them.

12 So, we don't want to have to do that.

13 If you have the -- any sort of 14 biological urge that strikes you while we're in this 15 meeting, through these doors, across the hall to the 16 left there is a fountain and a men's room and a 17 ladies room. So that should take care of all of 18 that sort of business.

19 This is a judge's room. There's no 20 food, no drinking in this room please.

21 Okay, some ground rules as to how we're 22 going to do this meeting.

23 I would like to have everyone in this 24 10 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 room, please take any electronic devices that beep, 1 buzz, squeak, squawk and put them on mute or turn 2 them off.

3 There are a number of people in the NRC 4 that cannot turn their phones off, they have a 5 safety responsibility to be available 24/7 to be 6 able to be on call. And people at some of the 7 plants are the same way.

8 If you have to take the call for a 9 personal reason or for an emergency reason, please 10 make your way outside into the entry way so that 11 you're outside of the room.

12 That's for two reasons, one for 13 politeness because we want to make sure that we're 14 not interrupting the meeting.

15 And, number two, we're trying to make 16 the clean transcript here. And any time we have two 17 things going on at once, we're bound to have a 18 problem with the transcript.

19 So, we want to minimize the opportunity 20 for that as much as possible.

21 If the urge strikes you to take 22 advantage of your First Amendment right and stand up 23 and speak in front of us, we have a little tape spot 24 11 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 on the floor. And the reason being is that this is 1 a little bit different for us in the way that the 2 room is set, the microphone is hard wired into the 3 system here.

4 So, we really can't get our transcript 5 microphones to jump -- piggyback into that system.

6 We have to capture the sound from the microphones 7 that are in here.

8 And, we're stationed two microphones up 9 here in the front and we've got an X duct taped on 10 the floor down there that gives us about the optimal 11 spot for you to be standing when you're speaking.

12 What I'll do is I'll call you up and 13 then I'll call up the person that's going to be next 14 and I'll tell them that they're on deck so that they 15 know that they've got to make their way towards the 16 aisle so that they can be the next speaker.

17 And when you get the microphone and you 18 start speaking, what I would like you to do is to 19 first state your name and your affiliation.

20 My name is Daniel Mussatti, I am the 21 facilitator tonight.

22 And, if your last name is hard to spell 23 and or difficult or garbled in any way then I would 24 12 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 like to have you spell it so that the court reporter 1 can get it right.

2 My name is spelled M-U-S-S-A-T-T-I. And 3 then, your affiliation. I'm the facilitator. And 4 then, please speak clearly into the microphone.

5 If you turn away from the microphone, 6 they're not going to be able to get as good a 7 recording of it, so speak into the microphone.

8 And, when -- there's only a few people 9 here that have signed up to speak. So, normally, 10 I'd say three to five minutes and I'm going to give 11 us a little bit of leeway here because we've got the 12 time to do that. But, it's not going to be, you 13 know, like any sort of a, you know, Hamlet soliloquy 14 or anything like that.

15 Five minutes and I'll start with being 16 uncomfortable. And every once in a while, I'm going 17 to have to go to the phones because we have a phone 18 set up here and we're going to have people that are 19 going to be listening in by the phone and they may 20 want to make a comment.

21 At this time, I would like to alert 22 India that I would like to have her give the 23 instructions to the people who are on the phone as 24 13 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 to how it is that they let her know that they want 1 to be put into the queue to speak.

2 India? 3 INDIA: If you do have a public comment 4 or a question, please press star, one and record 5 your name when prompted. Please make sure your 6 phone is unmuted before you record your name.

7 Thank you, we'll hold for further 8 questions.

9 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you, India.

10 I really appreciate your help tonight.

11 INDIA: You're welcome.

12 MR. MUSSATTI: All right, a few members 13 of the public that we do have on line, the same 14 rules apply to you. Your phone will be on listen 15 only mode until we get through with the 16 presentations up here in the front.

17 And then, what will happen is, is that 18 if you want to speak, you will note -- let India 19 know and you will, in order, be invited to speak.

20 What I'll do is I'll go around the room 21 asking for people that want to speak getting 22 comments from here and then I'll go to the phone and 23 I'll ask India, India, do we have anyone on the 24 14 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 phone that wants to speak?

1 If she says, yes, she will activate your 2 telephone so that you can speak. And, when you get 3 done speaking, we'll move on to the next person.

4 It's a very simple process.

5 One last thing, everybody has opinions, 6 everybody has different opinions on different things 7 and some of those opinions are very strongly held.

8 But, that does not mean that we need to show any 9 disrespect for anybody else in the room.

10 Please try to keep your comments as 11 nonviolent, what's the word I want to use, as polite 12 and civil, as polite and civil as possible so that 13 we can have some decorum in our forum here.

14 And, with that, I'd like to ask, is 15 there any questions in the room so far?

16 (NO RESPONSE) 17 MR. MUSSATTI: All right, then what I'm 18 going to do is I'm going to turn the meeting over to 19 Manny so that he can give us -- the first 20 presentation.

21 MR. SAYOC: Can everybody hear me okay?

22 (OFF MICROPHONE COMMENTS) 23 MR. SAYOC: Okay, so we're on slide 24 15 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 three. 1 Thank you, Daniel, my name is Emmanuel 2 Sayoc, I go by Manny. I'm one of the project 3 managers for the safety review for Surry subsequent 4 license renewal application.

5 First I will start off with an overview 6 of the NRC's subsequent license renewal process as 7 shown on this slide.

8 Starting on the left, the process begins 9 once a subsequent license renewal application or 10 SLRA, has been accepted for review.

11 Then the process breaks out in two 12 separate reviews that occur in parallel. The 13 environmental review, which you see on the top and 14 the safety review which you see on the bottom.

15 On the safety side of the review, 16 following the staff's review of the application, the 17 Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards, or ACRS, 18 completes an independent review of the application 19 to make a recommendation to the Commission.

20 In the center of the flow chart, the 21 environmental and safety review steps have dotted 22 lines that lead to hearings.

23 The dotted lines represent the 24 16 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 opportunity for a hearing in accordance with the 1 Atomic Energy Act which establishes the process for 2 the public to request involvement in the hearings on 3 a variety of civilian nuclear matters including 4 subsequent license renewal.

5 Finally, with the input from the 6 environmental review, ACRS recommendation from the 7 safety review as well as the staff's finding on the 8 safety review, a final decision is made by the NRC 9 on the subsequent license renewal application.

10 The Atomic Energy Act authorizes the NRC 11 to issue licenses for a commercial power reactors to 12 operate for up to 40 years. These licenses can be 13 renewed for an additional 20 years at a time. The 14 period after the initial license term is known as 15 the period of extended operation.

16 Now, subsequent license renewals would 17 allow plants to operate beyond the 60 years for an 18 initial license and the first renewal.

19 Subsequent license rules would also be 20 for 20 years.

21 The purpose of the safety review is to 22 identify aging effects that could impair the ability 23 of systems, structures and components within the 24 17 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 scope of license renewal to perform their intended 1 functions and to demonstrate that these aging 2 effects will be adequately managed during the period 3 of extended operation.

4 This scope has not changed from initial 5 license renewal to subsequent license renewal.

6 On October 15, 2018, Dominion Energy 7 Virginia submitted an application to the NRC for 8 subsequent license renewal for Surry Power Station 9 Units 1 and 2.

10 After receiving the application, the NRC 11 conducted an acceptance review, the first step of 12 our safety review.

13 The NRC determined that Dominion 14 subsequent license renewal application was 15 sufficient and acceptable for docketing on December 16 3, 2018. 17 Then we move into our technical review 18 with consists of three parts, the operating 19 experience audit which we did last month, an in-20 office review and the in-office audit and an onsite 21 audit. 22 First, for the operating experience 23 audit, the NRC staff reviewed the applicant's 24 18 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 operating experience and corrective action database 1 for information applicable to aging management.

2 The NRC staff conducted the operating 3 experience audit with Dominion last month.

4 During the in-office review and in-5 office audit, the NRC staff will review documents 6 and references in the application in more detail.

7 The NRC staff is currently conducting 8 its in-office review -- holding the in-office audit 9 with Dominion next month.

10 Finally, the NRC staff will conduct an 11 onsite audit of the plant facility and additional 12 documents as needed scheduled to take place in 13 April. 14 At the very end, the staff will document 15 a safety evaluation report or SER.

16 The NRC ensures the adequate protection 17 of public health and safety and the environmental --

18 the environment through the regulatory process which 19 is shown on this slide.

20 The regulatory process consists of five 21 major components.

22 Number one, we develop regulations and 23 guidance for applicants and licensees.

24 19 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Number two, the license or a certified 1 applicants to either use nuclear materials, operate 2 nuclear facilities or decommission.

3 And, number three, oversee licensed 4 operations and facilities to ensure that licensees 5 comply with the safety requirements.

6 Number four, evaluate operational 7 experience at licensed facilities for involved 8 license activities.

9 And, number five, in support of our 10 regulatory decisions, we conduct research, hold 11 hearings to address the concerns of parties that are 12 affected by the Agency decisions and obtain 13 independent reviews.

14 With license renewal, the regulatory 15 process now considers aging management as 16 represented by the red block and arrow.

17 Next, Barbara Hayes will discuss the 18 environmental review.

19 MS. HAYES: Thank you, Manny.

20 So, thank you, everyone for coming this 21 evening. Can everyone hear me?

22 (COLLECTIVE YES) 23 MS. HAYES: Excellent.

24 20 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 My name is Barbara Hayes, I'm one of the 1 environmental project managers working on the Surry 2 environmental review.

3 The environmental review is performed in 4 accordance with the National Environmental Policy 5 Act of 1969, commonly referred to as NEPA.

6 NEPA requires federal agencies to follow 7 a systematic approach in evaluating potential 8 impacts from the license renewal and alternatives to 9 the license renewal.

10 Public participation is an important 11 aspect of the NEPA process. Environmental review 12 milestones that include public participation are 13 highlighted in green on the graphic on the screen.

14 The environmental review begins with a 15 scoping process which includes today's public 16 scoping meeting.

17 Scoping is the process by which the NRC 18 staff identifies the specific impacts and 19 significant issues to be considered in preparation 20 of the environmental impact statement.

21 The NRC will consider all of your 22 scoping comments received today as well as in 23 writing, as we prepare the draft supplemental 24 21 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environmental impact statement.

1 The staff will also conduct an 2 independent assessment including an environmental 3 site audit.

4 The NRC staff will publish its findings 5 in a draft environmental impact statement which will 6 be issued for public comment. And that represents 7 the second green box on the slide.

8 That public comment period will be the 9 next opportunity for you and other members of the 10 public to participate in the environmental review 11 process. 12 So, the scoping process. So, what 13 exactly is meant by scoping?

14 The NRC staff uses scoping to determine 15 the range of issues and alternatives to be 16 considered in the environmental impact statement.

17 In addition, scoping comments help 18 identify significant issues that will be analyzed in 19 greater detail.

20 Scoping is also intended to ensure that 21 concerns are identified early and are properly 22 evaluated throughout the environmental review.

23 You are an important part of the scoping 24 22 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 process because you are more familiar with your 1 community, your comments will help to facilitate a 2 thorough review.

3 You can assist this process by telling 4 us, for example, what aspects of your local 5 community we should focus on.

6 What local environment, local and 7 economic issues the NRC should examine during our 8 review? 9 What other major projects are in 10 progress in the planned or planned in the area?

11 And, what reasonable alternatives are 12 most appropriate for this region?

13 So, in terms of scoping documentation, 14 there is several documents that you should be aware 15 of. 16 The NRC issues the following documents 17 in association with the environmental scoping 18 process. 19 The NRC initially issues a Notice of 20 Intent to prepare the supplemental environmental 21 impact statement and to inform the public about the 22 scoping process.

23 The Notice identifies the federal 24 23 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 action, comment period and methods by which comments 1 can be provided.

2 We have copies of this Notice at the 3 sign in table that you are welcome to take home with 4 you. 5 The NRC also issues letters to federal, 6 state, tribal government agencies and other 7 interested parties announcing our intent to conduct 8 scoping. 9 In addition, the NRC issues a press 10 release and newspaper advertisements to announce the 11 public meeting and the scoping process.

12 At the conclusion of the scoping 13 process, the NRC prepares and issues an 14 environmental scoping summary report that identifies 15 comments received during the scoping period and 16 identifies significant issues identified as a result 17 of the scoping process.

18 So, environmental resources, the NRC 19 evaluates the impacts from the proposed license 20 renewal for a wide range of environmental resources 21 such as air quality, wetlands, threatened and 22 endangered species, historical and cultural 23 resources and human health.

24 24 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 The NRC staff conducts this review by 1 building upon decades of previous experience 2 analyzing the environmental impacts from power plant 3 operation.

4 For example, in 2013, the NRC staff 5 published a revised generic environmental impact 6 statement which identified 78 environmental impacts 7 due to the operation of nuclear power plants.

8 The NRC staff analyzed the impacts to 9 these 78 environmental issues based on the knowledge 10 gained During 40 previous license renewals as well 11 as new research, findings and public comments.

12 The staff determined that 59 of the 13 environmental issues were the same at all nuclear 14 power plants.

15 For the other 19 issues, the NRC staff 16 determined that these issues were site specific or 17 that the impacts varied depending upon the 18 environmental surrounding the power plant and the 19 operational conditions.

20 Therefore, the analysis of the -- for 21 the Surry license renewal will focus on the 19 site 22 specific environmental resource issues.

23 The NRC staff has also conducted 24 25 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 previous site specific environmental analyses at the 1 Surry site. For example, in 2002, the staff 2 completed an environmental impact statement for the 3 initial license renewal.

4 The NRC staff will build upon any 5 relevant information in the previously issued 6 environmental impact statement to conduct the 7 environmental review in an efficient manner.

8 So, for interagency coordination, in 9 conducting our environmental review, we will be 10 coordinating with various federal, state and local 11 officials as wells as tribal leaders.

12 This coordination helps to ensure that 13 local and technical resource specialists are 14 involved. Some of the agencies we will be 15 coordinating will include the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 16 Service, the National Marine Fisheries Service, the 17 Virginia Department of Environmental Quality, the 18 Virginia Division of Historic Resources and the 19 Virginia Marine Resources Commission.

20 Ultimately, the purpose of the 21 environmental review is determined whether or not 22 the environmental impacts of license renewal could 23 be so great that preserving the option of license 24 26 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 renewal for decision makers would become 1 unreasonable.

2 The environmental impact statement will 3 be considered in conjunction with the NRC staff's 4 safety related reviews and recommending to the 5 Commission whether to renew the Surry operating 6 license. 7 So, in summary, these are the factors 8 that will be considered by the Commission in 9 deciding whether to renew the Surry licenses.

10 It is the goal of the NRC staff to 11 complete its license renewal review and reach a 12 decision on renewing the operating licenses in 18 13 months from the time the application was accepted.

14 The schedule can be extended to 15 accommodate a hearing if granted.

16 Please note, if you wish to receive a CD 17 copy or a hard copy of the draft and/or the final 18 environmental impact statements developed by the NRC 19 staff, please fill out the blue card at the table in 20 the hallway. And you should add -- provide contact 21 information, whether you prefer a CD or whether you 22 prefer something mailed to you.

23 Otherwise, the draft and final 24 27 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environmental impact statements will be available at 1 the website shown in my concluding slide.

2 So, review milestones, this slide shows 3 important milestones for the safety and 4 environmental review processes. It is important to 5 note that future dates are tentative.

6 I'd also like to note that the safety 7 evaluation report, the SER, is a publically 8 available report that we will issue documenting our 9 results of the safety review.

10 Also, the Advisory Committee on Reactor 11 Safeguards, ACRS, those meetings are open to the 12 public. They are held in the headquarters at 13 Rockville, Maryland.

14 How to submit comments after the 15 meeting, this slide has the information on how to 16 submit comments after this meeting concludes.

17 Comments will be accepted through January 22nd and 18 can be submitted by mail or the regulations.gov 19 website. 20 In addition, you can provide any NRC 21 staff member here tonight with any written comments 22 you wish to submit.

23 Further information, the first item on 24 28 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 this slide provides a website to learn more about 1 nuclear power plant license renewal in general.

2 The second item on this slide provides a 3 website with information regarding the Surry 4 subsequent license renewal review.

5 This website also provides access to 6 Dominion's subsequent license renewal application.

7 A hard copy of the application is 8 available near the sign in table and the 9 environmental report that is a portion of that 10 application is also there.

11 As shown in the third item of the slide, 12 the application is also available at the Branch of 13 the Williamsburg Regional Library.

14 This concludes the staff's formal 15 presentation. If you need additional information, 16 please contact Tam Tran or Manny Sayoc whose contact 17 information is on the slide above you.

18 I'll now turn it back to Daniel Mussatti 19 for questions and answers.

20 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, one quick thing, 21 just a clarification on the Surry Power Station site 22 that you have up there, is there a spot on there 23 where people can sign up so that they can get 24 29 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 announcements?

1 I know we normally have something like 2 that where they get -- I go on --

3 MS. HAYES: There's a way to do it, I'm 4 not sure whether it's on these particular website.

5 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay.

6 MS. HAYES: I think if people can -- I'll 7 get their contact information and let them know --

8 provide the link afterwards if somebody wants to get 9 regular updates on things happening at Surry.

10 MR. MUSSATTI: They can put their --

11 that information right on the blue card out there.

12 MS. HAYES: They could do that, too.

13 MR. MUSSATTI: That would help.

14 Okay, at this time, what we want to do 15 is we want to ask questions -- ask a question of 16 you, do you understand the process that we just 17 talked about or do you need clarification on 18 anything?

19 We're not talking about the Surry Plant 20 itself right now, just the process. Anything about 21 how we're doing our job with why we do it, the way 22 we're doing it, that you would like to get a little 23 clarification on?

24 30 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 (NO RESPONSE) 1 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, India, does anyone 2 on the phone have a question about the process that 3 we're going through here?

4 INDIA: Once again, if you do have a 5 question or comment, please press star one and 6 record your name when prompted.

7 One moment for our first question.

8 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, once more in the 9 room while she's waiting for people to find the star 10 button on their phone.

11 (NO RESPONSE) 12 MR. MUSSATTI: No comments or question 13 on the process that we're dealing with?

14 (NO RESPONSE) 15 INDIA: Excuse me, there are no 16 questions on the phone lines.

17 MR. MUSSATTI: Thank you very much, I'll 18 get back with you later.

19 INDIA: Okay.

20 MR. MUSSATTI: All right, so we'll move 21 right on into the comment period. This is our 22 opportunity to listen to you, to get advice from you 23 as to how to improve our products, in particular, 24 31 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 the environmental impact statement that has to be 1 produced as part of this application.

2 And, what we're here for is to listen.

3 This isn't going to be an opportunity for us to 4 speak because we don't have the technical paperwork 5 in front of us and the technical documentation in 6 front of us to be able to give you technical answers 7 on things.

8 We could probably answer very simple 9 questions on the spot, but when it comes to 10 something that's going to be more technical, we're 11 not going to be able to answer that.

12 And that gets really hard on the NRC 13 staff because they would like to have -- when 14 somebody asks them a question, they want to answer 15 it, but we just don't have, you know, the -- we 16 didn't do our homework.

17 We don't -- if you ask us a technical 18 question, we're bound to not have the proper 19 information and we don't want to give you the wrong 20 information, especially when it's on a public record 21 like this.

22 We would rather have you take a look at 23 the document we create at the end of this and let 24 32 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 that be the answer to your question because, that 1 way, we will have a chance to thoroughly think 2 through the answer and make sure that it is well 3 thought out, complete and understandable.

4 And the idea of complete and 5 understandable, I'd like to also remind you that --

6 of one thing, when you're making your comments here, 7 sometimes you're going to say things that you think 8 are clear and they might not be as clear in second 9 thought later on.

10 Sometimes you're going to say things 11 that could be interpreted in two different ways and 12 you won't realize it at first, but we can 13 misunderstand you because we're thinking about it 14 differently.

15 I encourage you to follow up any 16 comments you give here with a written comment, 17 either emailed in or mailed in to us so that we can 18 make sure that whatever it is that you want on the 19 record is exactly what you want to say.

20 And that goes for the people on the 21 phones as well, if they call in.

22 And, for anybody else who would be 23 interested in just putting a comment in that didn't 24 33 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 speak tonight, make sure that, you know, we want to 1 make sure that what you say is exactly what you want 2 us to hear.

3 So, with that, I would like to introduce 4 our first speaker, I picked him as our first speaker 5 for several reasons.

6 Number one, he is an official from the 7 area here and, therefore, he is -- should be 8 accorded some sort of special consideration.

9 And, second of all, he asked because 10 he's got to go catch the ferry.

11 So, at this time, I would like to 12 introduce Sanford Wanner.

13 MR. WANNER: Wanner.

14 MR. MUSSATTI: Wanner, who is your 15 interim Surry County Administrator.

16 MR. WANNER: Yes, sir.

17 Do you wish me to face the audience or -

18 - 19 MR. MUSSATTI: Yes, well, it doesn't 20 matter which you face because you're going to be 21 speaking into the microphone, but you need to stand 22 on that, remember.

23 MR. WANNER: Good evening, my name is 24 34 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Sanford D. Wanner. I am the interim County 1 Administrator of Surry County, Virginia.

2 And, I want to thank you for this 3 opportunity to provide comments on Dominion Energy's 4 application to renew the licenses of the two units 5 at the Surry Power Station for a second 20-year 6 term. 7 As the interim County Administrator of 8 Surry, it has been my privilege to work with the 9 power station because they have been a good 10 neighbor. They have been environmentally 11 responsible, particularly in the area of groundwater 12 protection for a groundwater dependent community.

13 They have been forthcoming in providing 14 public information. Their location is compatible 15 with our storage resources and our storage sites.

16 And, they are a vital component of the Surry County 17 economy and that of our neighboring communities in 18 Hampton Roads.

19 Your support of this application would 20 be appreciated.

21 Thank you.

22 MR. MUSSATTI: Thank you.

23 Would you like to submit that in writing 24 35 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 as well? 1 MR. WANNER: I'll clean it up.

2 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you.

3 Next up would be Fred Mladen, he's from 4 Dominion and on deck will be Erica Gray, you'll be 5 next. 6 MR. MLADEN: All right, good evening.

7 My name is Fred Mladen, last name is M-L-A-D-E-N.

8 And I'm the Second Vice President of the Surry Power 9 Station. 10 I've been an employee of Dominion Energy 11 for 34 years, all of them in nuclear.

12 I'd like to thank the U.S. Nuclear 13 Regulatory Commission for holding this important 14 meeting to accept public comments on Dominion 15 Energy's application for renewal of licenses for the 16 two Surry units for a second 20-year term.

17 Nuclear energy is by far the largest 18 source of carbon-free energy both in Virginia and 19 the nation.

20 It's key aspect of any reasonable clean 21 energy strategy and operation of not only Surry 22 Power Station but all the nuclear power stations 23 which produce no greenhouse gases and is critical 24 36 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 for the further build out of zero carbon renewables 1 which generate power but intermittently.

2 Surry Power Station is one of the top 3 performing stations in the United States as measured 4 by the NRC and the nuclear industry.

5 The two units at Surry produce about 15 6 percent of the electricity that's utilized in the 7 State of Virginia.

8 In addition, the station has an economic 9 edge for the Hampton Roads area.

10 We take great pride that our station 11 provides safe, reliable and affordable energy that 12 is vital to the economic growth of the Commonwealth 13 and provides well-paying jobs for more than 800 14 employees.

15 In addition to the millions of dollars 16 of tax revenue for Surry County, taxes paid by the 17 station support schools and important public 18 services and the salaries earned by our colleagues 19 who work at the station go directly to the purchase 20 of goods and services in the local economy.

21 Surry Power Station has maintained 22 excellent compliance with environmental health 23 standards, research and permitting. The 24 37 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environmental monitoring is continuous, 1 consultations with the National Historical Resource 2 Agencies are ongoing in support of subsequent 3 license renewal and we continue to report 4 environmental results in keeping with not only 5 regulatory requirements, but Dominion Energy's 6 environmental stewardship policy.

7 We're not about doing what's the minimum 8 required, we're about doing right for the 9 environment.

10 And one of the examples is, we work in 11 concert with the neighboring Virginia Department of 12 Game and Inland Fisheries on the Hog Island Wildlife 13 Management area.

14 The subsequent license renewal for Surry 15 Power Station, its current licenses for Units 1 and 16 2 will expire in 2032 and '33 respectively, will 17 ensure that that facility will continue to provide 18 not only electricity to our customers into the mid-19 century, but employment for the people who supports 20 the operation.

21 Renewing the licenses for Units 1 and 2 22 will mean that the units may continue to provide 23 safe, reliable and affordable electricity through 24 38 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 2052 and 2053 respectively.

1 As the NRC staff will discuss tonight 2 and has discussed, license renewal is a very 3 thorough process governed by federal regulations and 4 backed by significant research into the effects of 5 aging of equipment along with rigorous program of 6 tests and inspections.

7 Effectiveness of our ability to manage 8 the long term operation of these units is 9 demonstrated by the fact that after more than 45 10 years of operation, our reactors at Surry are 11 performing at very high levels in terms of safety 12 and reliability.

13 Moreover, Electric Power Research 14 Institute and the United States Department of Energy 15 conducted extensive scientific research to 16 understand the technical aspects associated with the 17 safe, long term operation of nuclear power plants.

18 This research has shown that there are 19 no generic technical issues that would prevent a 20 well-maintained nuclear plant such as Surry from 21 operating safely during the subsequent license 22 renewal period.

23 Dominion Energy has performed extensive 24 39 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 technical evaluations using insights from various 1 industry research groups as well as the NRC 2 regulations and guidance documents.

3 We demonstrate in our application 4 submittal that Surry Power Station can safely 5 operation for an additional 20 years.

6 Again, Dominion Energy is committed to 7 safe and reliable operation today and every day.

8 Appreciate the opportunity to speak to you tonight 9 in support of the Surry operating for an additional 10 20 years.

11 MR. MUSSATTI: All right, thank you.

12 And, you are Erica?

13 MS. GRAY: Hello, my name is Erica Gray.

14 I came over here from Henrico, Virginia.

15 I have been following mostly the North 16 Anna and its license and have not had too many 17 opportunities to come over here to Surry.

18 Of course, it peaked my attention when I 19 saw that Surry is actually going forward with its 20 subsequent license first before North Anna which 21 they are in the queue.

22 Following behind, I guess I have to 23 mention from the last commenter is if nuclear fuel 24 40 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 could actually jump into the reactors by themselves, 1 it would be carbon-free.

2 But, actually, the whole process of the 3 nuclear fuel chain is extensively carbon. It is 4 carbon intensive and highly toxic and another 20 5 years added on to this last license renewal will get 6 us many more metric tons of highly radioactive fuel, 7 spent fuel that will be radioactive and toxic for 8 eternity, which there really is no solution.

9 So, I had to add that.

10 As it goes forth with this license 11 renewal, I have many questions and I guess we can 12 start with, first of all, I was told that Dominion 13 expects, or the NRC expects that after 18 months of 14 review, they will get this license renewal.

15 Eighteen months is a short period of 16 time to review thousands of documents, if this is to 17 be a thorough investigation or review or whatever 18 you want to call it.

19 I guess, for the most part, the goal is 20 generic but I think we need to look at site 21 specific.

22 When it comes to safety, I'm sure that 23 the NRC as well as Dominion want to run safe plants.

24 41 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 But, I wanted to mention that also Surry happens to 1 be one of the plants that's had the most nuclear 2 accidents and fatalities.

3 There are nine people have died at 4 Surry, more than any other commercial nuclear 5 facility.

6 In 1972, two men were killed when a 7 steam valve malfunctioned.

8 In October of '83, a different steam 9 pipe burst, killing one worker and severely injuring 10 another. 11 In 1984, two men were electrocuted.

12 In 1986, four were killed when 3,000 13 gallons of super heated water in Unit 2 ruptured.

14 Since Surry opened in 1973, the walls of 15 the pipes which is expected to last for 40 years 16 life of the reactor have in some spots gone from 17 one-half inch thick to thinner than a credit card 18 and no one knows why.

19 Sorry, I've got lots of miscellaneous 20 notes. 21 Tests on corresponding pipes at Surry on 22 the other unit reveals similar erosion.

23 Clearly, as this plant gets older, we 24 42 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 need to become more diligent.

1 So, that's specifically talking about 2 just the past. I mean, this reactor, we're already 3 into the second -- well the first license renewal by 4 seven years.

5 From looking through the documents, 6 there's still a lot of commitments that I'm not even 7 sure have been met for the first license renewal and 8 we're already seven years in.

9 The EMDA report, the expanded materials 10 degradation assessment, basically it has also 11 instructed licensees an order they must resolve 12 issues related to reactor pressure vessel 13 embrittlement irradiation. This is stress 14 corrosion, cracking of the reactor internals, on and 15 on. 16 I don't think that if we're just going 17 to be looking at the GAL as a generic, it's got to 18 be more specific on Surry and tests need to be 19 performed, not just commitments before we move 20 forward. 21 MR. MUSSATTI: Erica, can I suggest that 22 what we do is give you an opportunity to speak one 23 more time later on after other people have spoken 24 43 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and that will give you a chance to look through your 1 notes a little bit more.

2 I really think it's important for you to 3 speak because we don't have very many people here 4 that are speaking from a non-pro nuclear stance.

5 So, I'd like to give you chance to, you 6 know, sit down, go over your notes a little bit and 7 arrange your thoughts a little bit while we go 8 through a few more speakers.

9 MS. GRAY; Well, we can do that. I can 10 do that, too. But, I guess let me just kind of 11 really point out something in particular.

12 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, you've got one 13 minute. 14 MS. GRAY: I think the -- well, I'm 15 looking for my major notes here.

16 I think that the NRC needs to look at 17 all the maintenance reports, the replacement parts, 18 items that actually -- and the event reports because 19 there's always lots of those but a lot of those 20 don't actually make events because they get shifted 21 over into a different category which is a corrective 22 action plan. So, the public really doesn't get to 23 see those.

24 44 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 We need real examinations. All 1 pertinent information from the manufacturers should 2 be looked at because in 2016, with the whole problem 3 with Creusot Forge where there was falsifying the 4 documentation.

5 We know that both North Anna and Surry 6 have had different components from those different 7 companies.

8 All the data should be compiled, all the 9 exemptions, relief requests, amendments, there has 10 been so many over the years, there's no way you can 11 go off just a regular GALL generic report because 12 when the reactor started up 47 years ago, it had 13 requirements, it had codes. And a lot of that has 14 changed over time. There's been laws and amendments 15 and changes.

16 So, for a full investigation, all that 17 needs to be looked at.

18 Also, when it comes to all the 19 differences in fuels, all the fuel burnups have 20 changed over the years. I mean, all the chemistry 21 in the reactors, I mean, all that needs to be looked 22 at, it can't just be generic.

23 And so, I think, for the most part, it 24 45 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 can't just be generic, it's going to have to be more 1 thorough. We're only seven years into the first and 2 I don't see where there's going to be a difference 3 between a first license renewal and then a 4 subsequent license renewal.

5 We can't just take the papers and copy 6 and paste and put them over. We actually need to 7 have the tests.

8 And, one last thought here, when I talk 9 about exemptions and reliefs, Dominion doesn't plan 10 on actually looking at the pressure reactor vessel, 11 they, instead, when they were supposed to do it in 12 2013 and '14, they're not going to do it until 2022, 13 2023. 14 Now how are we going to assess if this 15 plant is safe if we don't actually have to do the 16 inspections? If we put off these inspections until 17 after they get the license? That's ridiculous.

18 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you, Erica.

19 Once again, if you want to try and 20 rearrange your notes and at the end right before we 21 stop, you know, bring up something that is new, then 22 we can do that.

23 At this time, I would like to ask Ray 24 46 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Phelps to come forward.

1 MR. PHELPS: Good evening, thank you, 2 sir. 3 My name is Ray Phelps, I'm the Emergency 4 Services Coordinator for Surry County.

5 And, I would like to take this 6 opportunity to thank you guys for coming down and 7 updating the citizens of Surry County on the future 8 of Dominion Energy.

9 Also, Surry County has had a long 10 outstanding history with Dominion Power and we 11 appreciate everything that Dominion Power has done 12 for Surry County and we look forward to a much 13 longer interest in place.

14 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you.

15 At this time, I would like to as, India, 16 is there anybody that has indicated on the phone 17 that they would like to make a comment?

18 INDIA: Currently, no one has asked to 19 make a comment. But, if you would like to have a 20 comment or question and you're just now joining us, 21 please press star, one and record your name when 22 prompted.

23 Thank you.

24 47 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you, India.

1 How many people do we have on the line?

2 INDIA: One.

3 MR. MUSSATTI: One? One person on the 4 phone? 5 INDIA: Yes.

6 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you.

7 All right then, we will move on to 8 Jennifer Gwaltney who is our next speaker. And she 9 is -- I'm not sure the exact name of it, but she's 10 with the Surry School and other things.

11 MS. GWALTNEY: Good evening. Thank you 12 for allowing us to come before you tonight.

13 My name is Jennifer Gwaltney spelled G-14 W-A-L-T-N-E-Y.

15 I am a licensed teacher here in the 16 county for Surry County Public Schools. I'm also a 17 20-year EMT volunteer firefighter and currently 18 chief of the Surry Volunteer Rescue Squad and a life 19 long resident here in the county.

20 I'm happy to be allowed to speak tonight 21 regarding this application for Surry Units 1 and 2, 22 subsequent license renewal.

23 Dominion Energy has operated here for 24 48 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 nearly 50 years from its construction phase to 1 present and I'm about the same age as of Thursday.

2 Being born and raised here, this plant 3 as we've come to know it, has always been here and I 4 fear nothing from it.

5 It has always been an absolute partner 6 to the county and environmentally responsible.

7 For 20 years, I lived along the James 8 River and could see the domes of Unit 1 and 2 from 9 most rooms in my home. We always ate fish and have 10 recreational activities free of any fear that was 11 any environmental impact.

12 It's a part of life that benefits Surry 13 County in many ways, and of course, the taxes 14 contributed to our county is one of the biggest.

15 But, that's not all. Dominion Energy 16 has become an embedded thread in Surry offering more 17 than just their tax money. It offers employment 18 opportunities to the citizens of our county and 19 these jobs allow people to be able to stay here 20 locally with their families while earning good 21 wages. 22 Many of our own family -- my own family 23 and friends have careers here at Dominion Energy and 24 49 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 have for years.

1 These employees don't just work at 2 Dominion, they're encouraged to and do give back to 3 their community, either through their employment 4 contributions to local, civic and volunteer 5 organizations and groups or simply by volunteering 6 their own time in those organizations.

7 Volunteering in community projects, 8 constructing playground equipment at our local 9 school just here recently.

10 Dominion Energy offers educational 11 opportunities through its learning center with free 12 programs to students as well as educators on energy 13 sources, electricity and nuclear power.

14 Our elementary school fourth graders 15 visit there each year and take advantage of seeing 16 the models of the nuclear reactors and learn to 17 generate their own power. They learn about the 18 nuclear path from the beginning of mining of uranium 19 to the responsibilities that it takes to produce 20 clean and safe energy to the environment.

21 Surry school staff has participated in 22 trainings that were free. We received free teaching 23 materials that we can then use in our own classroom 24 50 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 and we consider them great educational partners.

1 Dominion Energy has been a safety 2 conscious workforce for many years. To my 3 knowledge, there have been no large-scale 4 emergencies causing any public safety or 5 environmental concerns.

6 Being involved with the EMS at Surry 7 Volunteer Rescue Squad member, past and present 8 chief, I have worked closely on drill practices from 9 radiological contaminations to medical emergencies 10 as well as hostile actions which has been 11 coordinated with local, state and governmental 12 agencies.

13 The diligence that I have seen by 14 Dominion Power to redesign, re-plan, to take into 15 consideration new technologies and practices 16 throughout the years has been impressive.

17 Dominion Energy works closely with Surry 18 County's Emergency Management and those of 19 surrounding areas as well as the individual fire and 20 rescue departments to offer us trainings and 21 planning for any and all emergencies.

22 Through all of my experiences, Dominion 23 Energy continues to plan and evaluate and to follow 24 51 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 its safety plan to the highest scrutiny and to take 1 any and all corrective measures that they may have 2 found or any advances that come along to plan in a 3 very fluid manner for the future.

4 I personally have worked with and 5 collaborated over the years with Dominion employees 6 through and I feel confident and trust that they are 7 the best at what they do and that they have the 8 knowledge and expertise that is invaluable to the 9 continuation of its safe and viable operation here 10 in Surry County.

11 I ask for you to consider in favor of 12 the subsequent 20-year renewal of Units 1 and 2.

13 MR. MUSSATTI: Thank you very much.

14 Okay, at this time, I would like to ask 15 Helen Eggleston if she would like to come and make a 16 comment? 17 MS. EGGLESTON: Yes, sir. I'd like to 18 thank you guys for coming down and giving us an 19 opportunity to speak concerning the renewal of 20 license for Surry Nuclear.

21 I don't think I can improve on any of 22 the positive comments that have been made. Every 23 one of them is certainly true and I agree with them 24 52 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 wholeheartedly.

1 Surry Nuclear has employed members of my 2 family, friends, neighbors and I know that they are 3 very much approving of what has gone on and the 4 safety issues that are there are not as great as 5 some would believe.

6 Concerning a previous speaker talking 7 about the accidents that has happened at Surry 8 Nuclear in times past, those types of accidents have 9 happened in every, shall I say, industrial setting.

10 It's a fact of life that unfortunate things happen, 11 that accident happen, but it is by no means an 12 indication that Surry Nuclear has been negligent in 13 their training and their safety programs and the 14 things that they have done to protect their 15 employees and the environment and the people of this 16 county. 17 I am very much in favor of Surry Nuclear 18 having their license extended for another 20 years.

19 I think that Surry Nuclear has been a wonderful 20 neighbor to this county and it has done everything 21 it could to prevent accidents.

22 I will hope that the Surry or the 23 Nuclear Regulatory Commission will extend their 24 53 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 license. 1 Thank you.

2 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you very 3 much. 4 Back to the phones, India, is anybody 5 interested in talking?

6 (NO RESPONSE) 7 MR. MUSSATTI: India?

8 (NO RESPONSE) 9 MR. MUSSATTI: I'll take that as a no.

10 Okay, Erica, would you like to speak 11 again? 12 MS. GRAY: Sure.

13 MR. MUSSATTI: Please remember that this 14 is an environmental meeting, every one of the points 15 that you have brought up so far is a safety side 16 issue and they won't -- nothing can be addressed in 17 our environmental side from what you've got.

18 Have you got any environmental issues 19 that you'd like to bring out?

20 MS. GRAY: Well, I'm not really sure how 21 you can separate out environmental and safety 22 particularly, but I just want to mention to this 23 lady here, I don't believe that Dominion would want 24 54 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 their employees to be hurt.

1 I believe the NRC wants everybody to be 2 safe, that was not my point. I was simply 3 mentioning what has happened at Surry over time and 4 the degradation of the plant because of aging.

5 And, basically, the reason why this is 6 all being looked at is because of the aging issue.

7 This plant has been around for a long time, so some 8 of this aging, they know the embrittlement is taking 9 place, this has nothing to do with the employees not 10 doing a good a job or Dominion trying to be careful.

11 But, in particular, the pressure reactor 12 vessel is old and the cracking that's taking place 13 and they really don't know how to look at it. The 14 specimens that they've put in the reactor were eight 15 when they started. By the time it's over, they 16 might have one. I don't know they need to come up 17 with new methodology and new ways to be able to 18 check for safety.

19 Otherwise, we're riding in the dark.

20 There's no way to really look at these parts.

21 And a reactor vessel, you can't just 22 replace. You can't climb inside and fix it. So, I 23 have nothing against the employees. I'm glad their 24 55 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 good neighbors here.

1 My problem is we can't just go by a 2 generic GAL, we have to go by the numbers and 3 Dominion should be allowed to get this extension 4 without actually having to do the reviews, the 5 inspections. That needs to be done.

6 And I don't see how you can separate out 7 that to the environmental because, if we have a 8 through wall crack, it will become an environmental 9 issue very quickly.

10 Thank you.

11 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you for that 12 clarification.

13 We do have one more speaker in the 14 audience that had signed up, that's Michael 15 Eggleston.

16 MR. EGGLESTON: That's spelled E-G-G-L-17 E-S-T-O-N.

18 Having worked previously in the industry 19 and the service, what she was referring to on the 20 erosion of pipe is called impingement and it's from 21 moisture trapped in high pressure steam and it most 22 likely occurs at the elbow, just to correct the 23 record. 24 56 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Most nuclear power plants use ultrasound 1 and continuously examines pipe thickness to prevent 2 such things as this.

3 The nuclear power industry, you can't 4 just take quotes for the nuclear power industry 5 without looking at high pressure steam plants 6 elsewhere. They both use high pressure steam. So, 7 you need to use both of them in context, not just 8 separate and have nuclear power.

9 I lived in Surry County when the power 10 plant was -- the reactors were being brought up from 11 the river, so I've been here every since they began.

12 Nuclear power is the most reliable and 13 less carbon intensive. I don't know where you're 14 getting the statement that it's highly carbon 15 intensive.

16 If you take away the government 17 subsidies for the other power, wind and solar, they 18 are no longer that cheap. So I'm in favor of the 19 Surry Nuclear continuing on because they replace 20 reactor heads, they've replaced control rod 21 assemblies, they've replaced steam generators.

22 To come in here without knowing the 23 actual history of what's been replaced from 24 57 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 something you read online really doesn't cut it.

1 Thank you.

2 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, thank you, sir.

3 And, as we were starting out this 4 meeting, I noticed that a number of people had come 5 in late. There's nothing wrong with that, you can 6 come in late. Did you sign up, first of all, on the 7 sign up sheet that's outside? If you haven't, on 8 your way out, please do so, so we can have an 9 accurate record of who was here.

10 And is anybody in the room have the 11 spirit move them to the point where they would like 12 to speak and hadn't signed up on a yellow card?

13 Okay. 14 MS. LITTLE: Do I need to come up?

15 MR. MUSSATTI: Yes, ma'am, you do. You 16 missed the part where I said that we had these two 17 microphones aimed here to be able to speak 18 effectively.

19 MS. LITTLE: Good evening. My name's 20 Judy Little and I'm an elected official here in 21 Surry County.

22 And, actually, the power plant is in my 23 district. So, I represent Dominion Power in that.

24 58 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 But, Dominion Power has been a wonderful 1 partner, a wonderful neighbor.

2 We haven't had any problems as I know 3 that have been identified as something that is 4 unsafe. And I want you all to know that Surry 5 County appreciates you being here.

6 And, I also know that they are also 7 looking into other safe ways of providing power for 8 Surry and other places.

9 And so, I think it's a great thing that 10 Surry has such a privilege to be called the home of 11 Dominion Power.

12 Thank you.

13 MR. MUSSATTI: Thank you very much.

14 If there aren't any more comments here, 15 we're going to move on to the closing of this 16 meeting because everybody's got important things to 17 do. 18 One last chance, anybody in the room who 19 would like to speak?

20 I'll give you three more minutes. This 21 is Erica, again.

22 MS. GRAY: I just want to make a 23 clarification.

24 59 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 I agree with what you're saying about 1 the elbows and whatnot, but what I'm talking about, 2 I'm talking about embrittlement of the reactor 3 itself, the part that's not replaceable.

4 MR. EGGLESTON: That's a non-starter.

5 MS. GRAY: It might be a non-started, 6 but these guys know the documents I'm talking about.

7 I attend the other meetings. I'm talking about the 8 documents I'm coming from are not just off the 9 internet, I attend the meetings. Roger is very 10 familiar with me. I'm in contact.

11 I'm not reading all the stuff off the 12 internet, sir, I am actually reading documents from 13 Dominion and from the NRC and have been involved for 14 many years.

15 So, I'm not just making up stuff.

16 MR. EGGLESTON: Do you ever work in the 17 industry?

18 MS. GRAY: No, I do not work in the 19 industry and I don't get paid for what I do either.

20 This is simply a hobby of mine as it goes for 21 energy. I do want clean, safe energy but I'm saying 22 that the biggest issue I have with Surry as well as 23 North Anna is we need a program to make sure these 24 60 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 reactors are safe because of the aging problems.

1 The industry is very familiar with and 2 the NRC, that's why they're looking at these issues 3 of embrittlement and the other erosion issues.

4 That's all I have to say.

5 Thank you.

6 MR. MUSSATTI: All right, thank you, 7 again. 8 All right, one more time to the phones.

9 India, is there anybody on the phone that would like 10 to make a comment?

11 (NO RESPONSE) 12 MR. MUSSATTI: Okay, before I trip over 13 a cords and hurt myself, I'm going to begin with the 14 closing comments and then I'm going to introduce Ben 15 Beaseley in a second so that he can come forward and 16 officially close the meeting.

17 But, before I -- we get to that point, I 18 want to remind you that if you haven't signed in, 19 please do so. We need to have that done.

20 We're always looking to improve the way 21 that we do our meetings, the way that it's set up, 22 the way that we, you know, the order that we do 23 things and all of that.

24 61 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 Any comments that you might have that 1 could help us to improve how we do our public 2 meetings would be greatly appreciated.

3 And there is a feedback form that is 4 outside there, you can fill it out here and leave it 5 with us, you can take home with you and if you turn 6 the darn thing over, you fold it properly and put a 7 little piece of tape on it, it's a self-addressed 8 envelop and you just pop it in the mail for nothing 9 and it'll get all the way back to us.

10 But we really do need that feedback 11 information.

12 And while you're at that table out there 13 grabbing one of those feedback forms, feel free to 14 take as many pounds of that paperwork that we 15 brought down here as possible home with you.

16 There's some interesting stuff there.

17 There's some things that are highly informative 18 about the process. There's some Federal Register 19 Notice, there's a copy of the GEIS, the general 20 environmental impact statement, that we have. You 21 might want to take that home with you so you can see 22 what's inside it, but I don't think you might 23 actually have one already, I'm not sure.

24 62 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 MS. GRAY: that is online?

1 MR. MUSSATTI: Yes, it's also available 2 online and it's a lot lighter when it's in a PDF 3 form than it is when it's in paper.

4 But, I would like to thank you all.

5 We've had an informative meeting and I think it went 6 fairly well. It went fairly quickly, actually.

7 I don't have anything else to remind you 8 about or ask you to do except to turn the meeting 9 over to Ben Beaseley who is the branch chief for the 10 Environment and NEPA branch in the Office of Reactor 11 Regulation.

12 MR. BEASELEY: Thank you very much.

13 I'm Ben Beaseley, I am the branch chief, 14 as Daniel said, for the environmental review and 15 NEPA branch. And this is an environmental scoping 16 meeting. 17 And so, I appreciate everyone coming and 18 sharing your thoughts, your concerns. We really do 19 appreciate hearing from you.

20 And, as Daniel mentioned, most of the 21 concern expressed were related to safety and that's 22 fine, we appreciate that input.

23 Specifically, if you do have any 24 63 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 environmental concerns, the contact information is 1 available on the last slide. And we do -- the 2 comment period is open for another couple weeks and 3 so if you have anything you would like to share, we 4 would be very glad to consider that in our 5 environment impact statement.

6 The mission of the NRC is to provide for 7 public safety, public health, protection of public 8 health and safety and so, that is our mission. We 9 will review this application thoroughly.

10 It does take us thousands of man hours 11 to review and we do have a schedule that may seem 12 short. It has been shortened up based on what we've 13 done in the past because of requests and pressure 14 from our internally within the Agency, externally 15 from the industry, but also from Congress. And so, 16 we do have to report to the Congress about our 17 performance on these reviews.

18 And so, we do -- we will conduct our 19 review and in a timely manner, but also it will be 20 very thorough and I want to assure you of that.

21 And so, that's really all I had to say 22 to summarize. We appreciate you coming out tonight 23 and we appreciate hearing from you.

24 64 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W. (202) 234-4433 WASHINGTON, D.C. 20005-3701 (202) 234-4433 So, thank you very much and have a safe 1 drive home.

2 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter 3 went off the record at 7:08 p.m.)

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