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| Issue date: | 09/19/1984 |
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1 Mn. WESSMM:: For the record, titis is an interview of 2 bob Messerly for the purpose of clarifyinc seme technica] ,
3 activities at Comanche Peak Power Plant. It is a follow-un a of an earlicr interview that we did on August 2, 1904; how-t t
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jj MR. PESS?'AN: Present at the intervie i ;
are myself, Dick Wessman, for the NRC Staff; Paul Chen, MCR '
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!*n. CHEN: In this affidavit you mentioned a tran that .
3 ; you tried to fire three times. You said that he was a 4 general foreman on the night shift, and you implied that he 5 was incompetent. Can you identify this man for us? j 6 No, I can't. It's been nany, many 7 moons. ,
8 MR. WF.SSMAN: let me show you that affidavit I
9 again, if I could, and see whether as you read the text of 10 that whether anything comes to mind that might give us a 33 _
little additional info'rmation on that. t?e' re in the middle 12 of' Page 6 of that document, I believe, and read, i.f.you 13 would, for a moment.
14 All right. I know what I'm talking 15 ab ut n w. I can't think of his nane. His name is in one 16 of my affidavits.
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Is 18 Yeah, I think that's it; 39 MR. CHEN: Is that his last name?
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/ ! a man that I tried to fire numerous times. IIe done several
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,, things that were not up to standards. He done several things--the man was a scaffold builder. He built scaffold.
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l S MR. WESSMt.N: Do you recall an approxir. ate timeframe 9 that this fellow was working there?
10 It was about--I imagine about a year g before I got fired; that was on It was 12 about a year Lefore that. This man wasn't qualified,for 13 n thing. He built some stuff for a Gold Hat, built a y porch and so on, sun porch, and that's the only reason he had'a job there.
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MR. WESSMAN: Was this gentleman a Gold' Hat?
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. as a ceneral foreman, which was next to a Gold !!at; but I've 18 l; 39 forgotten more than that man ever remem.bered.
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MR. WESSMAN: Okay. With that we ought to be able to pursue it via records at the plant. Go ahead.
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t 3 side of tube steel that would be used for anchor. holts.
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5 ! MR. CHEN: Was this a very common practice?
6 3 Very common, especially with people that 7 didn't know what they were dealing with.
8 MR. CHEN: Can you elaborate on that for us?
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10 before that you have got a wall which a bolt is supposed to 11 . come out 90 degrees. These bolts are set in a pattern when 12 they're poured in the concrete. They are n'oP 90 degr'ees.
13 There's"no^way. This was one of the charac-1 14 ters that poured this concrete. It's easy to set up a 15 form and say, "Here it is." tihen you go tying in precision 16 steel where you're allowed an eighth and a sixteenth and 3
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i: 21 tsix-by"six" tube ~ stet O t? hen the inspector looks at it, he 1
22 looks at it as it's coming straight through. All right.
23 which turned in to be a general foreman, 24 icut holes four and.five inche's'iiidiameter 16 a six-inch
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2 MR. CHEN: I sec.
3 This I reported to ny supervisnrs, and 4 I was told, llhdon't look at it."
5 l MR. CHEN: Given 100 supports, how many of those 100 1
6 : would you say would have this problem?
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6 MR. CHEN: I just wanted to get a feel for it.
9 Well, the concrete inserts were not 10 put in the way they should have been. tihen you put a con-11 . crete insert in the wall--I don't know whether you ever
, 12 poured any concrete or not--the concrete poves things up, 13 down, sideways; and when you put in a tube steel that has f i
14 to be flat up aga' inst the wall like so--okay?--if it's not .
15 flat, if it's cocked any way inside that wall--this, that, 16 up, down--then you have got a piece of steel coming out here'
$ 17 that's not 90 degrees; it's up, it's down, it's sideways, l 18 one side or the other. This is what, caught,
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2 19 the back side of the steel which CC don't see, nobody can 1
I 20 see because you have--in most casen you have a six by six one-inch plate with an inch-and-a quarter hole in it.. It
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i 22 goes against the wall, the tube steel goes up against it, 23 and then it goes out through the tube steel; you have a 24 one-inch plate up against the tube steel on the outside, ,
i 25 then you have your nuts. So what do you see? You see a !
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flR. CHEN: Was this done in Unit One and Unit 7Vo, or--
5 Unit one is the only one I worked in; !
6 - I did no't work in Unit Two. :
} , i 7 MR. CHEN: Can you identify any hangers or areas or S
rooms where this condition might have--
9 I worked between 860 and 905. I had all 10 of main steam; I had all of feed water, the main feed water 11_ in Reactor One. .
12 MR. CHEN: 14ould this be all the main steam lides?
13 I had all the. big mai.n steam. .
f 14 liR. CHEN: On all four loops?
15 No, just on 860--between 860 and 905.
16 MR. ITESSMAN: In the Reactor Euilding itself?
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19 as many as 50 percent of these Richmond inserts--is that the 20 Proper term--were incorrectly installed. Are you talkine 21 about 50 percent of those that was involved 22 in or 50 percent of all of those?
. 23 I'm,., talking about 50~ percent df_all 24 Richmotid inserts were installed improperly. I w661d'say 25 as much ar. that, because I was involved in feed water, I was ,
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3 !!n. IESSMAM: Mow, that's a large nunber, and obviously a we're again stuck with trying to pin down some specifics 3 like we'vn talked before, g I need some suggested areas f> .
where we go look. Obviously if we go pich ten and don't
- ! find any, we haven't loohed in the right place possibly.
S qin you give us some suggestions of sone real good examples 9 i. we have to gc actually look for then?
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and picked ten, eight of them wouldn't be wrong, on Richmond 12 inserts. At an angle other than what, if I'm not mistaken .
13 was six degrees, we were allowed out.
34 MR. WT.SS!!AN: Let me be sure I understand you. You're l a.
saying normally the bolt should sit exactly straight out
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22 MR. NESS 1AN: All right. If it varied by more than six degrees, you think it was out of specification then.
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t 1 Reactor Building where you had actually seen some of these 4 that were incorrectly installed.
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6 installed incorrectly. I'm just saying when I screwed my-7 when I screwed my anchor bolts into the walls, I would.say eight out of ten were not within six degrees. We heated ]
y 9 bolts, we put a nut on the end of a bolt, and took a sledge '
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22 No, because you got to realize you did 23 not call an inspector until the actual hanger was up, and 24 what that inspector saw was the finished product. 11e did 25 not see how that bolt was put in there or whether it was i
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5 MR. WESS!!AN: I think in this earlier affidavit you 6 .
also talked about how they would sometimes cut the hole on 7 the back side of the tube steel out so that it would, fit a S slightly croched bolt. Would that evidence still be i 9 present? j 10 On the actual ones that I found, no.
ji _ MR. WESSMAN: What happened? ',
12 I fixed them. I heated the bolt, I 13 straightened it out; I beat the bolt, I straightened it ;
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! 17 straightened the bolt instead of cutting holes in the back g gg of the tube steel.
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MR. WESSMAN: Did you actually see some situations 22 23 where these holes were cut in the back of the tube steel?
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14 MR. CHEN: Are you sayirig that about 80 percent of all ;
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! 17 out of ten you would find 50 to 80 percent out of the six
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2 19 we were allowed, six degrees out of tolerance. Okay. You 20 take a 90 degree wall and you go six degrees one way or the J
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23 11R. CI!EN: Not all of these that were outside of this six-degree limit had holes enlarged in the back of the tube 24 25 steel against the wall.
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4 That's hard to say for the simple fact 5 ! that you don't know until you take one dovm.
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l 9 MR. WESSMA!!: Let's go off the record for a r,inute 10 while we're sketching and drawing.
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12 MR. WESSMAM: 'Thile we were off the record, we were 13 sketching a diagram of how the Richmond inserts were 14 installed in the wall and how these holes in the back of a .
15 tube steel for pipe support would be invisible to an 16 observer once the installation had been complete. Paul, i
j 17 go ahead with your questions.
18 MR. CI!EN: Can you identify for us any hanger that has
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21 shack had all the hangers that were wrong, but I've been r
22 g ne f r two years and there's no way--they have covered--
23 you-all got one problem and I'll keep stating it and I'll 24 keep stating it. You-all bring this stuff up, and you give 25 them six months to correct it. Until you put a man out g,. , b o g
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going on--because I talk to guys every day. I talked to a 3 guy last weekenil. The same stuff is gcing en daily, and 4
until you-all put a son-of-a gun out there and find out 5
what's going on, you ain't going to believe a damn thing 6 ger saying or anybody else is saying.
I MR. WFSSP.AN: Are you saying right now we could.probably 6
see some of this sort of thing happening over in Unit Two--
9 If you-all put somebody out there--Unit 10 Two is a joke, man. I: nit Two is a joke. I went over there 11_, and watched people do things that you wouldn't believe.
12 Until you-all put somebody out there and see what's tJoing 13 on--because they'll hire anybody. They don't carc what you 14 are; they'll hire you.
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! 17 MR. Cl!EII: This next question concerns your allegation l[ IS that lugs were welded to stainless steel lines without .,
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22 There's no uay I can do it. I seen it ,
23 done; I seen it done by the welding foreman out there, 24 I seen' weld lugs on a line. In fact, I 25 held the lugs on for him on 832 elevation on a stainless 8
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5 MR. WESSMAN: Do you rerember how big a pipe it was? .
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S 832 elevation, which Roy Estes was in charge of. He had 9 a bunch of lugs that were down there that were r:.alfunction 10 and the who?.e bit. We covered them up with welding
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15 I don't remember the time; I don't.
16 MR. WESS?!AN: Any other suggestions for us on the l i fj 37 welding of lugs that we might look at to try to find some j 18 individuals or timeframes or any unut.ual incidents that fI gg might come to nind, or a." MCR that was filed that t. icht 20 help us find something?
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could name dates and everything else, but I can' t do it.
22 MR. curn: you mentioned a few minutes ago e.at from 23 g some of your friends that some of the hinds of activities that you're telling us about is going on in Unit Two. Is 25 S
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2 Yes: yes, it is. It's the sarne thing.
3 , You've got pcople that are unqualified doing Unit Two.
4l You've got rebar people, form people, and it's been--the i l a : man in charge of Unit Two when I left there was a man that l l
6 stated--and I stated it to hin before--was a man that looked. I 7 at one of my blueprints on the main steam hanger and,said, S " Man, I don't understand how you can even do anything like l 9 that," and two weeks later he was a general foreman over 10 Unit Two in pipe supports. This is the type of people you 11 , got out there. You go't the same people out there that was 12 out the'e r two years ago. They are unqualified. There's 13 no way in hell that they're qualified to put up a pipe ,
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15 MR. CHCN: I have no further questions in that area 16 unless you do.
i 17 MR. WESSMAN: No, I don't. Let's pursue your questions li1, 18 on the main steam line.
f 19 t1R. Cl!EN: I was looking through your affidavit and i
! 20 some of the interviews that were conducted with you on this h 21 business about relocating the main steam lines. I'd like II 22 to get as much information as I can from you in order to be 23 able to investigate what happened. Tell me, this is the 24 main steam l'ine in Unit One; is that correct?
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6 MR. WESSMAM: Let's go of f the record and let's draw
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8 (Off-the-record discussion held.)
9 MR. WESSMAN: While we were off the record, wo 10 , developed a couple of sketches of the configuration of the l
11 . main steam line instal'lation showing where the permanent ,
12 line was located and the permanent hangers that 13 was involved in the installation of. We've also 14 identif ed where a temporary connection'near the steam 15 generator was made for flushing purposes. Go ahead from 16 there with your questions, and let's describ'e where this I .
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j 18 Well, the line was moved six to twelve a I was there; I d 19 inches from when they cut it loose.
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21 off that floor on account of the whip restraint the steel i
22 has, and get them off that floor between 860 and 905.
23 There was also a Gold Itat there that had the polar crane tied to the top of this to pull it into position. ;
24 MR. Ci!EN: Just a moment. Can I point out at this 25 e
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32-inch main steam line and the smaller diareter flushing 3 , line. Go ahead.
4 And my general foreman told me to leave 5 the floor and get all my people off the floor on account of 6 .
the strain that pipe was in.
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8 the line, the main steam line, was off six inches 9 vertically and four inches horizontally. i I.
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I 11_. P1R . CHEN: What was the source of that information? i 12 The source of the information was the 13 pipe people themselves, and a man .was down there with a j f 14 come-along pulling this thing over in position.
l'5 was the foreman on pipe that made this change. I can't 16 remenber the general foreman. was the man that
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23 P1R. ClfEN: Were these hangers on the main steam line?
24 These hangers were on that steam line, 25 on that expansion joint, that we had to move because they 9 6 9
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3 MR. Cl!FN: Did you happen to see which hook on the 4 polar crane was used during this operation?
5 The big one.
6 MR. ESSMAN: !!ow did you know it uas about 40 tons t
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9 11R. hT.SSMAN: And you were able to,see the gauge?
10 They had a gauge on it, a round gauge; 3; it"showed the tonnage' pull. i 12 MR. h7.SSMAM: This is a gauge--it must be a large gauge'
, 13 that's visible to people stan9.ing on the floor.
I 14 It's, oh, 24 inches in diameter; or l 15 bigger; cr smaller; I really don't know.
16 MR. WESSMAN: I understand.
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8 I'm just guessing. I'll just put it to you this way: I've g been in steel all my life, and you don't pull steel in tonnage and expect it to hold. This was also done by a man
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I j Peck, beccuec he was inconpetent; the Gr,1*1 Hat of the 2 l Pipe Department out there rci<3h t now.
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where these supports were? ,
S tio , I'd have to.go out there and show 9 you. I'd have to go out there and show you permanent supports, the ones we moved, the ones we had to move, and 10 3j tiie whole bit. See, tihey have--they got a spring load 12 support, you got a support that keeps from going longitude 13 and latitude, and you have all these kinds of supports.
j4 The support that we had to move on account of the pipe being' 15 in the wrong place when they put the polar crane on it, we 16 had to completely revise that; we had to com'pletely rebuild
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inches to ten inches to a foot, after the pipe was through j 7 the concrete and you don't put a bind on steel like that.
8 MR. CHEN: Can you tell me how many come-alongs were 9 used?
10 Y About four. _ MR. CHEN: Do you know what capacity these come-alongs 12 were? - 13 I did, but it's been a while.
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2 j MR. Mr.SSMAN: Chay. I 3 With eight , ten , twelve-foot cheater. ' e , 4 As I told you before, go out there and see l 5~ MR. CHEN: Just to be sure I understand what is con-t 6 . I tained in some of these affidavits, you said the lift was supervised by a Gold I:at, but there were no ennineers any-8 where around. 9 There was not an engineer nowhere. I 10 don't give a damn what they say. There was none, because 11_ my general foreman to1d me to get my people off the floor; 12 there was no engineers; he didn't know where that pipe was 13 going, and he didn't want none of his people hurt. 14 MR. WESSMAN: When this pipe made its move, this was
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16 at the joint in the generator; so there was one guy down i 17 there finishing the cut, and as he finished the cut, the [ 18 thing popped and moved; is that right? { 19 That's how far it was out of stress; i
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l4 ' .2 21 MR. CHEN: Are you aware or have you heard of similar 3 22 incidents on the main steam line? 23 No, not really. I can't say I do. All 21 I know is what happened in Reactor One, Containment One. 25 I was there; I was there on everything. 4
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2 on any other main steam lines out there? - 3 No, I don't. I can't say that they did 4 or didn't. - 5I .MR. UESSCAN: Do you know whether they ever did it on a i I 6 feed line or any other of the big lines out there? ? 7 No, I do not. I went over in Reactor S Two and seen the results of what they did with the polar 9 crane pulling the feed water and t'eh main steam lines 10 because the pipe hangers wouldn't/ fit; and the welding was 1 1_, wrong and so forth and'so on. But that's all I can say. 12 MR. WESSMAN: They had to do some similar pulls like 13 this in Reactor Two? 14 You got to understand what took over 15 Reactor Two: Rebar people, concrete people, people who are 16 used to building forms; they do not know nothing about i j 17 steel. They do not know nothing about the stress of it, g 18 about the tolerance of it, or anything else. This is what a
@ 19 you got to realire. It's all a clique they're all from I
i 20 South Carolina, North Carolina; and they all come up there i 3 21 on the same deal. It's the same deal with the general 22 foreman that did not know nothing about blueprints that I 23 was doing, and two weeks later he wound up as a general 24 foreman over pipe support. 25 MR. WESSMAN: Were you working any hangers in Reactor
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22 l Telephonic Interview of On August 17, 1983, fomer Brown & Root, Inc., employee, was telephonically interviewed by NRC Investigator H. Brooks GRIFFIN. W stated he worked at CPSES for about 5 years and had worked for a number of supervisors at. ring tha 90.-ic,c. , p tated he had worked for a ,"3 striper" by the name of 6 , who intimidated him into loaning out "rebar eater" Drillco concrete drills without I proper documentation as Se had already detailed in a previous deposition to the NRC Office of Investigations Field Office, Region IV case no. (A4-83-005). D stated that breatened to fire him if he did not follow his instructions. M ta ed he ad heard from other B&R employees that later found the
'ressures of the job too great, and that@ voluntarily dropped back to rking as a welder.
p ted he believed a supervisor named @ tried to fire him on a number of occasions because he (@ had become personal friends witg M a superintendent. hid he believed @'as afraid that ha M would "get his M) job." l 6 stated he had a " personality clash" with one of his supervisors named 6 , who would not provide him with as much work as hc q ) thought his crew should have been given. hated he was forced to " hide his crew out," since they had not been assigned work. Qaid he had no problems with his former supervisors, L / PeWated his problems with scme of his supervisors were generally the result of the supervierr's lack of intelligence, but said the threat byQ was the only time N ms intirai<*ated. I'~D Q ' b10]
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- No, it hancies tne waste anc it is 11 12 in ene fuel builaing, the waste track. ae nad a prooiem of 13 hitting rebar.
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s - AIN p.y 22-h p' .In s , a, , 9, , s..w My name is better known as I live in M I worked for Brown & Root for approximately ten years, inclu ing about seven years at the Comanche Peak nuclear e ant. Durin that time I was.a . While I was performing my duties as a I saw I a lot of things at the Comanche Peak plant which were not according to procedures and travelers, many of which could jeopardize the health and safety of the public. I 1 I knew *.aat something needed to be done before the fuel came in .for the. plant. I thought it over and decided that I would go to Houston to the Brown
& Root main office and report these violations to the President of Brown & Root direct, Mr. Thomas Feehan. I went to Houston and met with Mr. Feehan. I told '
him of some violations that were going on and told him that after ten years of
- experience, I thought some of those people might know better and show better
craftsmanship and intelligence ~ than they had used at the nuclear plant in '.-.- Southport, North Carolina. I told him about working at the North Carolina plant on some weld seams that were not supposed to lose more than an ounce of radiation per year (we - were told). These seams, some of which were approximately 100 feet long, were " in .some instances leaking as much as 65 lbs. every three seconds, according to what was indicated when we turned the gauge off and watched the gauge drop. At first we took the test channel off and started repairing the bad welds, which took several days. We were getting approximately 28 pin holes and indi-cations per foot. This was taking too much time to repair properly, apparently, so somebody in Brown & Root's organization came up with the brainy idea of having us take the first foot or eighteen inches off, repair the weld, replace the eighteen inches of test channel, block it off, and just hydro the one-foot area. QC assumed, we had the whole 100 feet under pressure and bcught it off as is. In my opinion. - that is lack of craf tsmanship or experience or just downright sabotage. Personally, I think some of these people should go to prison for this, and I told Mr. Feehan - that. I also gave Mr. Feehan a letter with some things I knew about and that other" people had told me about. He said he would send an investigation crew to investi-gate the Comanche Peak charges, and he did. I know of much more that I did n;t tell him or the investigative crew and have not in the past reported to the lccal NRC office because I feel the NRC is not interested in protecting the peo'ple's - l welf are and it will be covered up. I have been told by CASE (Citizens Association i i for Sound Energy), the intervenor in the Comanche Peak operating license hearings, ( that; I am required by law to report any problems which might affect the health and safety of the public to the Nuclear Regulatory Conmission. I am therefore ' asking CASE to send this affidavit to the NRC as my method of reporting it, in the hope that by doing so it will force the NRC to really look at the problems I've identified. I would like to get this information to Congress or someone who's really interested in the safety and welfare of the people of Texas.
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install some light poles.Some of the stuff that goes on, for instance: My superintendent had us less steel liner around the reactor cavity.These poles are underwater lights ins . reactor underwater so the people can see what they are doing.They are use As used some we cutting wereoil'.drilling the holes, drill shavings . We also fell inside
. p..sc the holes drilled and said "You don't have those poles And inA P."/the h I said; "No, we're going to take a pencil grinder and deburr them, and take a steam hose and steam all the oil and shavings out."
He said, "That's bull. Get on thethose poles."poles on down to the hole so the electricians can install the the poles are now installed in the proper location.By our not taking ab problem. When they're refueling, the shavings can be washed out of the pip by the cells old fuel current causes when removing the reactor head underwater, and also a current. which can jam the fuel cells, could even fuse to the control rod cause a meltdown.
, perience, or sabotage.I feel that their doing that is lack of sense, lack of ex-I'd like to hear it. Maybe Brown & Root's got an explanation for it, but I also have infomation which indicates that during the early stN;es of '
construction aggregate material around fromthe timepile a reject when was the reactor cavity was being pour'ed,64 used. conc AW shifting to the loop pipe, causing it to crack or shear off, result in a meltdown. with Imy am convinced concerns that because I went to the Brown & Root Hou I amabout theemplo safety edof the Comanche Peak plant and also th in North Carolina, no longer had my name pulled off the board as ith Brown.& Root. They already . before the investigation group ever got to the plant.when I got back from Houston ' decided before I ever got back and bei' ore the investigation was ever starte 1.ater I was confined to one area of the shop for five weeks. . Rice in Houston and asked him how long I was goin'g to be confined I called Mr. and told him that if I was going to be confined, the people I had made the charges against should also be confined because they were still violating procedures. in the shop and put me in a little tool room in the shop.I ha Mr. Rice said, "As 1 far asTUGCO. I'm concerned, the investigation has been over with and furthermore 1 called , you for TUGCO, I'd call TUGCO. for Brown & Root, I'd call Brown & Root. If I wrked If I worked the federal government. But If I worked for the federal government, I'd call you called TUGCO." guys first, but you weren't there." I said, "I tried to call you by this G.D. phone and wait for you to call?"He replied, "You think we're going to sit ing to discourage me here until 1 quit." He said I said, "Well, maybe they're try- '. the idea." "Ma be ou're fin lly getting l'll sit in this little tool room forever."I said, "As long as youwages, guys can pay m,] i And he said, "We'll see about that." a pipe journeyman, which would have greatly reduced my{ of all my responsibillty as a supervisor. of reduction of force'). But they were increasing So they ROF'd me (laid off as part l time and after I lef t. my department at the same - 3 l
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3 . . , . .. s The infonnation preceding was given to CASE in the form of an affidavit on December 18, 1982. However. I did not want them to turn it in in the hearings or to turn it over to the NRC or the utility. I ave the information to scme news rr rs, and an article ran in the A copy of that article is attached. Af ter that interview, I was shot at an have been on the run ever since and have been in touch with CASE a few times by phone from different states. One night when I came hane, I found my cat; its head had been cut off smooth and its body was missing. Since the article appeared in the paper, I have had a front-end problem with three different vehicles (one truck and two cars); th,ey all appear to have the same problem -- the nuts were just about to fall off the tie-rod ends. I've been scared to go back and sign up every six weeks for my unemployment because I'm scared someone may shoot me. Some of the reasons I'm scared is because of the things I know about at Comanche Peak and another nuclear plant where I've'sorked, the South Port, North Carolina, Brunswick Prnfect Nuclear Plant. As I mentioned before, there are weld seams around the Reactor Core and new spent fuel pools which we were told were not supposed to lose 1/2 ounce of contaminated liquid per year per seam. These seams were approximately 100 feet long;when we tested these seams, some of them were losing approximately 65 lbs. a minute Instead of repairing some of these seams, the gauge was blocked off and pressure was put on the gauge only. When the inspector passed the weld se'am, he thought the whole 100 feet was under pressure, not just a few inches. Aiso, some of the stainless liner walls broke loose from embedded plates that are in concrete walls which sane of these plates were improperly welded. By these walls breaking loose they sprang out several inches from concrete wall; therefore, when refueling the reactors, the stainless steel liners were flooded with water. Of course, the weight of the water will . push the liner walls back to the concrete. Af ter the refueling process is 'over , and water is drained out of the liner, the walls will spring back out, which *
- could result in welds cracking or walls splitting. When I reported these viola-tions to Brown & Root's Vice President, he told me he was not that concerned about the gauges being blocked off but he was concerned about the walls breaking loose. If I had told him of improper welding on these walls, I wonder if he would have been concerned at all? I feel these problems should be repaired.
Regarding Comanche Peak nuclear plant, there are safety violations such as torquing. For instance, quality control is supposed to verify the torquing of piping support that should be torqued at 130 lbs. The hanger is on a 20 foot ceiling with a scaffold built to them. Quality control is on the floor; the torque wrench is sent dcwn to get C; to verify the number and setting of the torque wrench and carried back up and placed on the nut before torquing. QC hears
- a torque wrench click twice on each nut and buys off (approves) the hanger. What QC cii'd not know was that the construction personnel had a second torque wrench .
and also had a nut welded on the scaffold. The second torque wrench was set at a low torque poundage such as 3 lbs. and they clicked it twice. Therefore,- AB th(e . nut on the hanger was never torqued; only the nut on the scaffold was torqued. F There were also violations such as pipe supports around the pipe. For instance, 3/16 clearance is supposed to be maintained on each side and on top and the pipe .# is supposed to be resting gently on the bottom of the support. For instance, a
- 5, 2" pipe: a con'truction supervisor will climb on the pipe and get some of his crewmen so when OC comes to inspect the support, the weight will push the pipe -
to the bottom. in so'me cases, the pipe was binding so tight they would use ^" y a timber to jack the pipe down from the ceiling while QC bought off the pipe. e
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In some cases, when they can't get the right clearance on each side of the ' pipe, they take a grinder and grind be' tween the pipe and tube steel, which in - some cases results in a reduction of wall thickness of pipe. I believe this could result in a rupture of the pipe. Construction has also tried to straighten a pipe support.by using a sledge hamer; this is done quite of ten.) An employee [A M - told me that while hitting on the hanger he also hit the pipe and caved in the side of the 2" pipe 1/2 inch or more. He reported it to his supervisor who said wv not to tell anyone and covered it up with I.D. tags. Another incident is improper personnel designing and engineering pipe supports . For instance, one helper told me while he was employed at the. plant ' N he designed many pipe supports for engineers. One day he wondered if.they were using his engineering and if they were then checking his work, so he decided that he would design a hanger improperly and send it to engineering. The engineer passed it on to construction which built the hanger and it is presently installed improperly. The helper said that he did not want to go to any NRC hearing but he would love to have a showing and he could show m'a'ny things if he was allowed to take investigators and actually show them the supports in the plant. Other
- helpers have also been involved in making major decisions for which they are not qualified.
Another violation is a sensor in a dam was run over and broken by a bulldozer. I understand that these sensors are placed in the dam in a vertical position in order paired.to tell whether the dam moves or not. This sensor was not removed or re-It was held up and dirt packed around it while being embedded in the dam. n-The construction company, Brown & Root, lost a $3 million contract at Crystal River Power Company in Florida, by a dam breaking, I was told by one of the Vice Presidents of Brown & Root. What concerns me is that if this dam . breaks, they will lose more than a $3 million contract; it will endanger many ~ li ve's . There is also a violation that ccncerns me regarding the use of rejected % Ac. g. concrete material in the early stages of the plant when the reactor core was Ac.w poured. A friend of mine told Brown & Root's Vice President's investigating crew that he was a front end loader operator at the concreta plant and one day a QC inspector told him that the concrete should be thrown away because it was hard and dried. The inspector walked away and my friend started throwing it away and a supervisor told him to put it back in and use it and they did. - W2: My friend a' Iso told the investigating crew of some type of sampling machine ~ p
% f tha t tells whether there are good samples or bad samples in the concrete. It*
N' had a wire run to it while QC watched the machine to verify the use of good sampi Perso'nnel would pull the wire to make it read good when it was not. My friend b (A l also told of other people that know of these' violations and as far as I know, s Brmn & Root did not contact any of these people, but talked with one of their y supervisors and his brother that worked at the batch plant; they, of course, told 7 them that they knew nothing of this incident and since the superintendent is deceased, they did not see any further investigation of this incident. I am sure that the d NRC is aware of this statement, because it was in the, article (attached) . Undoubtedly, they are not concerned about tne situation.
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now. I know of many, many more problems and violations than I can rememb What is funny to me is the big deal everyone made of Russia's 300 lb . 1 nuclear ~ satelite falling back into earth's atmosphere, when we have a p
; of a'700 ton reactor setting on rejected concrete and no one is concerned. If i
allare, at nuclear we arepower plants in the U. S. are built the way the ones that in trouble. I have wl somewhere to 90. We'd better make friends with Russia so we will have
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di ALLEGED ISPROPER CONSTRUCT 10h PRACTICES , 1,# P.EPCC NUMBER: M -E3-005 - 7 s\a., e 1. During the course an individual of an unrelated who requested investigation, confider.tiality, that a former inforE.ation Brown & Root, wasInc. receivec,
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- 2. On se:.temoer 1,19E5 tnis millwright was interviewed and provided information-wh+ air. ne stated he possibly crilled holes through rebar in a concrete floor witnou a Co ocnent Msdification Card (CMC) or a Design Change Authorization (DCA). Fe expiained that he drilled about 10 holes in_ January 1953 while.
installing 22 metal plates using a core oriil. ne said these metal-plates ware used tr. secure the trolley tracks located in the Fuel ~ Handling Euilding as part of tne Waste Moniter System. He stated that he ano his crew used a core c'iil !:,cercued from the Core Drilling Crew. The millwright saic tr.at the heles mace with the core drill were locatec on :ne southwest corr.er of the trolley tracks. He explained that the blueprints he usec authori:ed the ct.tting of one piece of rebar on each hole, anc ne adced that it is nis belief the r.cles were drilled properiy. ,,_j
- 5. Tne Rest.its of Interview with the former Brown & Root miliwright is r.aintainec in 01 Fieu Office, Region IV. ,
Attachment (;) - Results of Ir.terview with tillwrigh., dated Septe:rser 1,1952. REPORTED BY: '/ b. ,' I
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F.):r.a rc r.. ~nerr ,,Di re:to r 0; Field Office Region IV . cc: / W. J. Warc, O!:DFC P. C. Eaci, CI:DF0 (Wa:tatnment) (.e/ t t ia thr.e nt ) Mh-$-Gk 1 J. T. Collir.s, RlY (w/attachnent) T. F. Westerr.an, RIV (w/c attachmer.t)
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, a former Brown & Root at Comanche On Peak, September 1,1983,[in was interviewed ay ity,~ Texas, by NRC Investigators H. Brooks GRIFFIN and Wendel E. FROST. tated thatMhad been e d .at Comanche Peak frem stated that :had been his foreman, ad been his general foreman, and had been his superintendent, j stated that in January 1983, his crew was installing metal plates to secure the waste monitor trolley in the Fuel Handling Building. Msaid that his crew initially used hand drills to make holes in the concrete, but in some cases, the hit rebar and had to use a floor-mounted diamond bit drill. M'sai hat i made arrangements with the core drill crew to have the rebar cut, stated he remembered that a member of the drill crew (not further identified brought a floorl mounted core drill to the work area and made the cQts through the rebar. M said
- that the following day the drill crew employee did not come to the.. work area, so he "
M sent his helper (not further identified) to inform stated Ine helper returned with one of the core drills and that he presumed the helper got the drill on instructions from .sai at when the core drill arrived, he 'used it to finish drilling the o es in which he had hit rebar. Wremarked he then used the core drill to drill six or sevaii additional holes neeced to complete the remaining holes required for the track. {aidhedid not remember whether he hit rebar on the additional holes. said this use of the core drill was an isolated incident, and that it was the on y time he used a ccre drill or cut rebar at Comanche Peak. M said he remembered the blueprints used by the crew to install the metal plates cer..cined an authorization for the cutting of one peice of rebar on each hole. M ' said he did not know whether CMCs or DCAs were obtained authorizine the cuts that he performed. Msaid the holes they drilled were about 0 hes deep and were later signed off by a OC inspector (not further identified). ' aid the tracks for the s trolley were located on elevation 810 (ground level), and that the tracks were about 20 feet long. I stated that on one occasion, he had a disaoreement with ver helping a we der "run his lines." Msaid h told M lthat he was a land that helping a4was not his job. , said that nobody ever int midated, threatened, t or attemptec to intimidate him whi e worked at Cocanche Peak. ,Mbeclined to execute a signed statement, saying he did not want to sign anthing. e 1
; E!.0 0F RESULTS OF INTERVIEW WITH ON Sectember 1, 1983.
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- 1. M alle s that ao regate tests were falsified in January 1976, by He. further states that Mtold him to do what ordered him to do after he filed a complaint.
- 2. .Malleges that the equipment used to run potentiel %"-
'reaettttty tests on aggregates was not used during three months G M CI in early 1976.
- 3. Several QC inspectors (unidentified) allege that shortcuts were taken on tests involving sizing of the aggregate and its moisture content.
- 4. Unidentified sources allege that truck drivers added excess water to the concrete in transit from the batch plant.
- 5. illeges that (sometime between August 1976, to
( March 1977) he flunked some concrete for the T-G Bldg. , but it was still placed.
- 6. Three different persons (unidentified) allege that, during the placement of 6,600 cy on February 21, 1976, some concrete was placed without testing.
- 7. alleges that during a placement in mid-1977 in the contain-ment wa he failed a load with a slump of 4-1/4" (4" max. specified) and that directed the lab technician to record a value of 4" on th6~ card.
- 8. ( allege that cylinder compression test results were
'falsitted by directions t from6 i 9. Sources (unidentified) have alleged that tests en cylinders were run purposely faster than allowed by NRC regulations. (regulations not defined)
- 10. ; allege that recertification of inspectors
~a f ter 77-02 was done "open book" and with answers given.
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The ' i n forma ti c'n NLd.,1s basically aTi~th% i s, known by TE' 'slaff on this da FACILITY: Comanche Peak Units 1 & 2 Texas Utilities Generating Compmy ' Glen Rose Texas (DN 50-445; 50-44G)
SUBJECT:
NEWS MTICIES REPORTING FAILURE TO PERf0M1 SELECTED QUALITY CONTROL TESTING FOR CONCRETE i The FORT WORTri STAR TELEGRAM, Fnrt Worth, Tcxes, rsported in their April 4,1979, evening edition, that their investigations had icentifit-d
. problems construe. tion in the quality control testing program for the Cccanche Pc3k project. The newspaper investigations covered the sa.te
, subjects and times as two NRC, Region IV, investigations cGoducted during 1977, and 1978, of alleged def!ciencies in the QC Laboratory activities during the placement of concrete. In 1978, the laboratory
. contractor was replaced and no further problems have traen identified.
The prior'investigatiens conducted by Region IV resulted in corrective action for those identified allegatiom which were substantiated. Region IV is conducting a review of the substance of the reported allegations relative to prior investigations, and is attempting to contact the cuoted news article scurces. Any newly identified allega-tiens will be resolved. In the news article, several individaals were quoted regarding failures to perform testing, and falsification of test records based en past test results. Since three of the quoted individuals were not contacted during previous investigations, the Region IV office will attempt to contact them to determine if their allegations nave specific substance. If so, the matters of the prior investigations will be re-enmined. The April 5,1979, morning edition of the FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM contains a follow-up article which includes comants of concern by the Covernor and local and state officials. The article also reports the Regicn IV ccamitment to pursue the reported new allegations. News media interest as a result of the news articles, and cthat items relating to the Three Mlle Island incident has teen high. Reoion IV management was'intsrviewed by TV and newpaper reporters on April 4. 'M soecific news release has been unde by the regien or the utility; however, T'I and newspaper coverage has reflected both URC and Licensee positions. C_cr.ta,ct: J3Fenderson, IE x27551 G peinquth IE x27551 Distribution: . Transmitted H St /; <l '.' Chaircun Hendrie Comissioner cradford S. J. Chiik, SECY Ccemissicner Kennedy Comissioner Ahearna Co.missioner Cilinsky C. C. Y.a:xerer, CA (For Dis'ribution) Transmitted: PRCD j'lW P. P,ldg ,[ ,' f,/ _ L. V. Gossick, E00 d. G. 0 3,i,s, 15 H. L. Ornstein, EDO H. R. Centon, NRR h2gien 2*L .Tf'j R. C. CeYoung, !!RR J. J. Fouchard, PA R. J. Mattson, NRR N. M. Haller. MPA V. Stello, NRR R. G. Ryan, OSP (' MIL) R. S . Ec.xd, fj. J. J. Cumings OB H. I;. Shapar ELD SS Blde ri,g,g%9 P. Minegue. SD W. J. 01rc%s, ESS hiMn 9 e . SLevine, RES
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FACILITY: Comanche Peak Units 1 & 2 Texas Utilities Generating Company.
. Glen Rose, Texas (DN 50-445; 50-446)
SUBJECT:
NEWS ARTICLES REPORTING FAILURE TO PERFORM SELECTED QUALITY CONTROL TESTING FOR CONCRETE o, The FORT WORTH STAR TELEGRAM, Fort Worth, Texas, reported in their
- April 4,1979,' evening edition, that their investigations had identified problems in the quality control testing program for the Comanche Peak.
construction project.' These allegations were related to two NRC, ' Region IV, investigations conducted during 1977, and 1978, of alleged deficiencies in the QC Laboratory activities during the placement of. ; concrete. 'In 1978, the . laboratory contractor was replaced and no ' further problems have.been identified. The prior investigations ~ conducted by Region' IV resulted in corrective action for those identified allegations
- . which were substantiated.
1 In the news article, several-individuals were quoted regarding failures to perform testing, and completion of test records based on past test results. .Since three of the quoted' individuals were not contacted during previous investigations, the Region IV office will attempt to contact them-to determine if their allegations have specific -substance. . If so, the matters of the prior investigations will be re-examined. The AprilLS,1979, morning edition of the FORT WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM contains a follow-up article which includes comments of concern by the Governor and local and State politicians. The article also reports the R,egion IV committment to pursue .the reported new allegations. News media interest as a result of the news articles, and other items relating to the Three Mile Island incident has been high. Region IV management;was . interviewed by TV and newpaper reporters on April 4. No specific news release has been made by the region or the utility; however,
'TVf and newspaper coverage has reflected both NRC-and Licensee positions.
Region IV is con' ducting a review of the substance of the reported al-
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Thilis for Mr. Crossman [^AP : f , 5 ,.
- L. April 10.1979 / l 0845 hrs
Subject:
Interview With, j ?3
,. Place & Time:
-> jose's Restuarant-Granbury. Texas
, 3835 hrs to 2000 hrs. April 9.1979 k
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Interviewerst .-
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, W. A .Crossman R .C. Stewart
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Preliminary Statement By Interviewee, j
- 1. The reporter from the Star-Telegram had visited him in Nashville, Tenn. and has called scYeral times since on specific points. The reporter promised not to use his name in print in any article growing out of the interviews. The
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interviewee statcd that he has been *= ^rfwith Ilyparm by unidentified
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2.The interviewee stated that he had wehed for the R.W. Hunt I.ab. at CPSES Summary of Allegations; J
- 1. The interviewee stated that equipment used to perform sodium sulfate test of aggregate was unused for several months but stated he had seen ettuipment used. He remembered the bad oder made by the test. He stated the he asked I
the " chemist" about not running the test and was told that he , the chemist, didn't often run the test because the results always came out the same. The Interviewee stated that the records would make it appear that the test had been performed when it had not. Chemist was identified as[ G O ggm o& C e c~- rMG CC 9 Lt * **
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*2.In regard to a placement of concrete in the Circulating Water intake Structure, the intervieweee stated that he and others had rejected concrete trucks for being over specification limit on time to discharge. the then and present B & R concrete superintendent) ordered his people to dump (he concrete on the ground and shovel it into the formwork, which was done.
Interviewee was aware the structure was not safety related. TA WT
- 3. The liunt 1.ab cylinder curing ee:n was poorly run in late 1976 through early 1977, primarily duelo~ poor maintenance. The cylinders were ,
allowed to dry out'. l.. A building area near the unit two containment structure was initiaHy installed ) l upside down due to the inability of the craft personnel to read the blueprints. , lle stated that sl5cre was a " master carpenter" hired vtto did not know which end of a hammer to use. . j i
- 5. The unit one basemat was placed so fast that all of the required concrete l
Ieat were not performed. (sy,piLr'rti%TtEtJ)
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- a l Additional Information Not Obtained From the Interviewee:
1 , records examined. fie was, certified as a , m
- 2. The unit I containment basement was placed on Feb. 21,1976 and did consist 3
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/ 's The following interviewees have been contacted as of April 16, 1979, in regard to allegations:
April 5 April 9 April 11 April 12 April 12 April 12 April 16 M April 16 April 16 M April 16 April 16 / 4 em c234
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