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Partially Deleted Ofc of Investigations Investigative Interview (Closed Meeting) W/S Burt on 850731 in Newport,Mi
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UN11ED STATES j NUCLEAR REG'ULATORY COMMISSION i; IN nIE MATTER OF: 'DOCKTT NO: J La-85-214 , l 0FFICE OF INVESTIGATION INVESTIGATIVE INTERVIEW (CLOSED MEETING) .  ;

i LOCATION: NEWPORT, MICHIGAN PAGES: 126 l

I DATE: WEDNESDAY,-JULY 31, 1985 Information In this record was deleted in accordance wit Act, exemptions to h ~JL the Fr dorn of Informa F0lA. Tier )Qf Acs-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.

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INVESTIGATIVE INTERVIEW )

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The Deposition of STEPHEN BURT, taken 8 >

pursuant to Notice before me, Elizabeth Diann Ferguson, Notary l 9  !

1 Public in and for the County of Wayne, (acting in Monroe County), q 10 at 6400 Dixie Highway, Newport, Michigan, on Wednesday, July 31,- ,

1985, commencing at about 11:05 a.m.

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13 APPEARANCES:

" UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION

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!l Glen Ellyn, Illinois 60137 16 .' (By: James N. Kalkman, Esq.)

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! Appearing on behalf of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission

!! 18 g ,. JOHN H. FLYNN, ESQ.

8 2000 Second Avenue

19 Detroit, Michigan 48226 i li j 20 li Appearing on behalf of Detroit Edison 1

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4 MR. KALKMAN For the record, this is 5

6 the interview with Stephen Burt, B-u-r-t, who is amployed by the Detroit Edison Company. l 7

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to Present at this interview are Mr. Burt, 1 l k 11 Detroit Edison Counsel, Peter Marquardt; NRC Reactor C

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Inspector, Terrence Lang t and NRC Investigator, i

l l 13 James Kalkman. l 14 The subject matter of the interview l I

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' concerns a reactor operator error which occurred on July h t 16 !i 1, 1985, at the Fermi II Nuclear Power Station.

I Mr. Burt, would you please stand and a 17 !

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Q Mr. Burt, you were the nuclear shift operator reactor --

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4 A I was the Control Room nuclear supervising operator. ,

I 5 Q In that capacity, you supervised the operator or --

6 A No. e 7 Well, how does that position relate to the operator and Q j 8 the shift supervisor?

9 A Okay.

l 10 When assigned as a control Room nuclear 11 supervising operator, I as the front-line supervisor in 12 charge of operating activities in the Plant and in the 13 control Room.

1d It is not normally a senior licensed 15' position; it is normally a reactor-licensed position. i

,; 1 16 l0 Eg you are a senior reactor operator?

' i 17 Yes, but I was not acting in that capacity that night.

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j 20 ", acting as in a different capacity?

21 A only if I.were stepped up to the position of nuclear i

- 22 assistant shift supervisor.

l 23 As a nuclear supervising operator, I 24 am performing strictly reactor operator licensed activities.

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1 position, then the assistant shift supervisor, and a

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2 shift supervisor.

3 Is that the chain of command as far 4 as responsibility and --

5 A Not to my knowledge, no.

6 Q Well, I am confused, then.

7 A Normally, when an extra or second licensed. operator is 8 assigned to the Control Room, okay, it is not clear in i l

9 my mind that that second operator necessarily is under the l

10 authority of the control Room nuclear supervising operator. j 11 However, that person is assigned 12 specific responsibilities and will normally communicate --

t 13 there is normally very close communication between the 14 !! second licensed operator and the Control Room nuclear 15 supervising operator.

16 Q How long have you been employed by. Detroit Edison?

i 17 A ABout four and a half years, six months and some odd days.

I i 18 Q How long have you been a senior reactor operator?

19 A My license was issued in October of '83.

20 Q Do you have nuclear experience from another utility?

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21 A well, we were sent for five months, back in 1983, to 22 LaSalle County Station, Commonwealth' Edison facility.

23 I was part of a group of five that 24 were sent just to gain some on-shift experience with an 25 operating reactor.

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. i 1 0 So you became aware of the rod pull incident during --

2 sometime during the shift?

3 A No.

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5 A No.

6 Q When did you become aware of it? )

7 A It was July 2nd. I was relieving the operator assigned 8 to the 603 panel and some night order entry was pointed l

9 out to me from Eugene Preston,'the operations tugineer, i

10 that whenever a rod manipulation took place and'the rod j a

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sequence control systems Group I through IV, that a second i 12 licensed operator or technically-qualified member of the 1

13.9' unit, technical staff, would have to witness that. .

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15 lA And I inquired as to if the person I was relieving knew 16 the background behind that, and he explained, "Oh, yes, i 17 that is the incident that occurred last night when the l 18 re&ctor operator pulled some rods in Group III to position g

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21 knowledge of the incident.

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- 22 o Well, on the shift the previous night of July 1, what were 23 you doing?

24 Weren't you aware of the incident?

25 Were you pre-occupied or --

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2 o were you in the Control Room area? l 3 A Well, I was in the Control Room area, but as'I remember i

4 I was reading the synopsis of the event, and the synopsis 5

of the event, the error discovered. shortly before midnight.  ;

I We relieved at 2330, okay? So in 6

7 that time, normally it would take 15 to 20 minutes for a l

8 shif t briefing and right at midnight, the responsibilities j 9

of the Control Room nuclear supervising operator is to to mark all of the chart recordars in the Control Room.

is So on or about the time that the 12 incident happened, I was more than likely going around 13 p the various panels marking the chart recorders.

li 14 S 0 Were you involved in a shift meeting, shift turnover meeting?

I' is i A Well, we have the turnover meeting, which starts at 2320 16 on the midnight shift for all of the supervising operators j l

l 17 and the shift supervianr and the assistant, to discuss i i

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is what is going on for the shift.

! 1 19 0 This is at 11:207 l r I 20 A Yes.

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21 0 Who was attending that meeting? Yourself, the shift  !

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' 22 supervisor and -- l 23 A It is hard to recall exactly who was there, but norina11y, j 24 it would have been the shif t supervisor, the assistant i l

25 shif t supervisor, myself, and any other nuclear supervising 1 O

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operators that were assigned for that shift.

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3 Were you in the Control Room area throughout the shif t on the evening of July 17 5

A Yes, for the eight-hour period.

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where the rod pull error occurred and the various people 8

that are discussing the event and so on, that you don't 8

become aware of ite

'O A Yes, I am a little surprised myself. )

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'3 A Yes, I was rather disappointed that 7 was not immediately )

informed, sinca I am responsible for the Control Room and the  ;

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'8 log that is kept in the Control Room.

16 0 Who should have notified you, the operator? l

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A I would have -- see, what you had up at the 603 panel,

'8 j you have the operator, and I very much remember that there l

  • 1 l were two shift technical advisors. I believe was in i j .i i 20 j training, and the shift operations advisor.
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22 of those people, they would have said, "Eey, we got a problem 23 over here. Do you tant to come over?" But that did not  !

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at one of the panels in the rear of the Control Room, but --

MR. LANG: What were you doing, stamping 2

3 the charts?

4 A Well, at midnight, I go around and I putta little line for 5

midnight and at my leizure, I can go around and put the 6

date and my initials.

7 MR. LANG; You do that with all of the a charts in the Control Room?

9 A Yes.

10 MR. LANG: How long does that usually 11 take?

12 A Five minutes, 10 minutes.

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16 stamping the charts.

! 17 MR. LANG: Did you draw the line on ,

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As I remember, all of them except for those in the actual 19 {A l' l horseshoe.

j 20 21 I remember a discussion with the i* reactor operator, and he said that he would take care of 22 23 the charts at the front panels.

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3 BY MR. KALKMAN:

2 Q Do you recall the shift supervisor coming into the ]

3 horseshoe area?

I a A Several times.  ;

5 0 At any time around midnight when you were -- when this 6

incident occurred?

7 A I don't remember specifically what times he came into the Control room that night.

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10 our shift.

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12 Hypothetically, if you had known i 13 of the out-of-sequence pull, would you have logged that?

/l 34 lA Ch, yes, absolutely.

I 15 j MR. LANG: Were you aware of any problems with the rod worth-minimizer during the evening? l is l 37 A Problems in what respect?

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l r' 22 A That does not preclude that one came in, but I just don't 23 recall specifically.

24 MR. LANG: Well, when you writa your 25 log, all right, do you write it as it occurs during the I

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5 A Oh, no, no, no. l 6 As whenever possible, I get right to 1

l 7 the log and update it.

8 MR. LANG: Do you talk to the -- in 9 this case when you had an extra SO on the shift, did you 10 talk to him in regards to what happened as far as he was 11 concerned on the shift?

12 A Well, in terms of the -- he made no mention of the rod pull 13 incident.

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I talked to him several times during 15 the shift.

16 MR. LANG: Did he give you other

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21 operating procedures entered into the log; and I got that 22 information from him as soon as the reactor went critica3.

23 MR. LANG: Did you go request that 24 information or did he somehow holler to you from over -- ,

25 A No, right around the time the reactor went critical, I was 12

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1 either right behind him talking to him or I was right up j 2 there at the panel.

l 3 There were several times -- I knew they 4 were starting up the reactor. I was not oblivious to the j 5 fact, okay.

6 I Checked on them a couple of times 7 before midnight; 'and between midnight and, say, around 8 1:00 or whenever the reactor went critical. )

9 I made several stops up there and asked 10 them how things were progressing.

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13 [Q When did you first check or l 14 A Specifically?

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j 20 normally, when we go out and actually relieve the various

21 stations. Okay.

22 Then, with the non-1.icensed operator 23 on shif t, the control Room NSO conducts a briefing with 24 them to make sure they are aware of what is going on with 25 shif t to make sure they have a good turnover to see if

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2. Then right after'that, of course, the 3 biggest thing happening that night is the reactor and the 4 power plant start-up; so I remember going over to see how 5 close was to achieving criticality'.

6 Q Do you recall what step he was in in the procedure?

7 A I remember looking at the pull sheet a couple of times, 8 and specifically where he was at when I first checked on 9 him after relieving the shifb I don't remember.

10 I remember -- I looked at the pull 11 sheet prior to the turnovar when I was conducting my panel 12 walk-down, and I am sure I looked at it again.

13 !Q Was he still in the Group II rods?

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14 d A As I remember, I remember thinking to myself, " Good. It t

15 will be after midnight anyway before he gets critical."

16 Jt lecked like he was a good hour 3 17 or so away from Criticality, that would give me time to

18 get my logs up and my administrative responsibilities..

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I j 20 MR. I.ANG : Could you go over your

21 turnover for me?

22 You came in at 11:00 or 11:30?

23 A okay.

24 , We come in at 2300.

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From 11: 00 to 11:20. I was reviewing _ l 3 logs, reviewing turnover.

4 MR, LANG: At that point in time, 5 you actually -- there was still some -- you did not I 6 relieve a person in position --

7 A No.

8 The afternoon shift, no, right.

9 MR. LANGt So you actually had your 10 meeting before you actually went out and took control of 11 the Control Room?

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15 3 yes, 16 Let me just continue on.

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l3 17 We went -- then we do our panel walk-l t I :

i 18 down, and normally by that time, it is 11:20, or close  !

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r 22 At that point, I come back out, and 23 once again, as my relief is -- if anything has transpired 24 in the last 10 minutes that I should be made aware of, 25 he normally says nothing is going on, and he signs the 15

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5 0 When was the first time you were actually made aware of 6 the out-of-sequence?

7 A It was the next night when I came in to relieve the B operator assigned to the 603 panel.

9 0 When the shift -- when the event actually occurred on {

10 July 1, at any time during that shif t, did you have  !

i 11 discussions with the shif t supervisor, Mr. Anio1. other j 12 than your meeting, your 11:20 meeting, the remainder of li

'3 the shift, did you have any discussions with Mr. Aniol?

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te informed of my activities and whenever a decision had  !

19 to be made concerning, you know, how fast or what direction i 20 we wanted to have and as far as getting the Plant up; I i i

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23 Room several' times. i 24 MR. LANG: Did you ever notice if 25 sr. Antoi pu11ed the sas charts out and ro11ed ehem hack?

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3 A I don't recall seeing anything like that, no.

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4 Q When did you become aware of the fact that Mr. Aniol 5 wrote a DER relating to the out-of-sequence rod pull?

6 A Sometime during the next shift from the shift that is 7 of July 2nd to July 3.

8 o well, why do you think you were:not informed of the rod 9 pull sequence error?

io A well, I don't think it was deliberate.

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  • 12 The operator may have gotten a little 13 nervous because he knew he had made an error; and probably the only thing in his mind was getting the boss 14 .l 15 I out there, to discuss it with him, and the STA's, you 16 know, not being operators, you know probably -- you

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18 communication in the Control Room.

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i* 21 A They probably -- well, I am sorry.

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23 with any STA or the STA in training?

24 A I remember speaking to him. I don't remember discussing 25 anything in particular.

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3 I don't recall him, mentioning anything about that, no.

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.! during the shift, and I asked him how things were going, i

15 to keep him informed that I an about to do something that 16 might affect the reactor, stream flow could affect his l

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  • 1 21 ll going fine, but I just pulled out-of-sequence." I cannot j

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l believe -- well, I can believe it, but it is beyond 23 comprehension that he did not mention that.

24 A Yes, I was really surprised the next Any *)ab I came in.

25 0 What is your relationship -- are you on the same shift with

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A All ex ept foz bu.t -- well, I am on Dave Anio1's 2

shift, okay.

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s same people. lwas assigned to thecshif t only j v /

6 for the period of Monday through Friday, that was his 7

relief shift and we needed an extra licensed operator; so g

rather than him working days in the Control Room, he worked g midnights, the midnight shift.

10 Q Do you have a close-working realtionship with Mr. Aniol?

33 A I would like to think so.

12 Q Are you surprised that Mr. Aniol did not discuss the 13 , sequence pull error with you?

34 A Well, I don't know if " surprised" is the right word, but l

' 15 make -- yes, surprised, okay.

16 Normally, the communication is pretty l 37 good on my shift.

I 38 Q When did you, the following day, when did you become aware of the incident? What did you do?

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21 all or did you just accept it as information filed away, i* or did you ask anyone, you know, why it happened or, you 22 know, what the corrective action was?

23 A Well, I am a little hazy on the next day, I really haven't 24 25 thought about it a whole lot.

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2 talking to Dave Aniol,, , l Tom Dong, and Ed Duda; I

3 I don't think I talked with John Dewes at all.

4 But, yes, my curiosity was obviously 5 Peaked, and I did see the DER. It was a oopy of it available.

6 Q Were you surprised that a DER was written without your i

7 input or knowledge? l 8 A Well, I am surprised that that specific DER was written I

g without my input or knowledge, yes.

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come out like, say at the end of the shif t and write down j i

13 what occurred during the shift? 4 14 ji A Well, I could only conjecture. 1 i

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I i 17 A Well, I would say yes, more often than not, at sometime

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22 0 Does the shif t supervisor's log reflect what you have in 23 your log, or is it -- does it reflect his particular 24 actions as a shif t supervisor?

25 A Well, I could only conjecture in practice how the two logs

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run., 'I don't see the shifts supervisor's log very often. ,

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3 Q Did he document $he same thing or --

4 A well, I will tell you the way it is, as my understanding '

5 of the way it was supposed t - so.

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6 Q Please.

Well, that the large picture, physical plant-type thing,

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8 and the administrative details would normally go into 9 the shift supervisors log. l 10 The NSO log is a running account of l 11 changes or occurences in the physical plant as they occur.

12 MR. LANG: Do you know if that evening 13 if the shift supervisor read your log?

14 A I could not say yes or no. I don't specifically remember.

MR. LANG: Is there a type of initial 15 16 that he writes on it if he read it? l F

3 17 A In practice, when anyone is required to review the logs, l i

18 okay, the procedure for operation logs and records requires i

19 that the person initial each page reviewed.'

7 MR. LANG: Would he be required to

,I 20 21 initial it if he read it?

r 22 A As I remember the requirements in the operations log and 23 record procedures, yes, he is required to initial each 24 page reviewed.

For the record, that is operations 25 2'1 4

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4 0 In any of your discussions with Mr. Aniol on the evening 1

5 of July 1, did he advise you that he had, for any reason, l

6 telephoned Mr. Preston?

7 A I don't recall him saying anything to that effect, no.

1 8 MR. LANG: This is your log of that 1

1 9 evening?

10 A Yes, these are my entries right here.

11 MR. LANG: There are quite a few 12 ,,

signatures, initials around the outside of that.

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15 (A Okay.

16 MR. LANG: If you know.  !

! 17- A Well, this is the assistant shift supervisor, Jerry Flint I'

. 18 this is Mr. Myers' charge, the shif t supervisor --

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Of the oncoming shift?

20 A Yes, okay.

l 21 Well, Jarry -- oh, no.

22 MR. LANG: Who is Jerry Clark?

23 A Jerry Clark might have been the oncoming shift on the --

24 see, he could also have the shif t supervisor five days 25 down the road.

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1, 2 A As was required to review it for several days.

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! 8 e 9 I BY MR KALKMAN: j 10 Oc Is there any entry in your log of the evening of July 1, 11 relating to the out-of-sequence rod pull? .

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16 log book, the person I relieved, Mr. Don Paul, had only

1 17 himself relieved the control Room late in the shift.

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20 him, he had started a new log sheet and we just went ahead l 3

21 and used the same one that he started.

t 22 MR FLYNN: You are talking about a 23 copy of the sheet of the log book? l 1

24 MR. KALKMAN: The NSO log book.

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' Reactor critical. Group III, 34-51, position eight. Period equals 535 4

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Q That relates to the Plant going critical following what

'U we know to be the rod pull error is that correct?

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15 0 As opposed to the out-of-sequence rod pull which may or may I

' 16 not have caused the Plant to go critical prior to that.

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' you were aware of.

i O What 19 lA Based on what I have subsegently reviewed, the answer to

! that question would be, yes, there was certainly totally

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    1. How did you obtain the information for 24 that entry?,

2 A well, when \ said the reactor is critical, okay,

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. j 1 I remembered that, "Oh the operating procedure requires 2 us to put certain items into the log book."

l 3 So I went up and looked at the 4 general operating procedures to make sure I remembered 5 correctly what all of those' items were; and then, as I remamher 6 one of the STA's had a calculator, and we watched doubling 7

time on the SRM chart recorder and took that time and it 8 gives us the. number to use in the general operating -

9 procedures to multiply doubling time to get your reactor 10 period.

11 I looked at various indications.oncthe 12 603 panel at the remainder of the information to get the j

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remainder of the information. l Q What is the entry in your log prior to what you just read?

15 What time and what does it say?.

16 A Okay, E

'7 "2330 relieved control Room. NSO."

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'8 So it is between 2330 and 0050, that this out-of-sequence i ia O

18 pull event occurred that you were not; aware of?

i 20 Based on what I have seen, yes, it occurred in that time l A

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23 Do you normally go that length of.  ;

24 time without entering? e ,

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log takes place, no, that would not be abnormal at all.

2 o so you enter according to the occurence of an event?

3 A Well --

4 O An event that you feel is significant to log?

5 A well, changes in the status of the physical plant; anything <

6 I feel I would want, you know, that I think a record should 7 be made of.

e O But there is no required hourly entry in the log? l g A No, not that I am aware of.

10 Q And is an out-of-sequence rod pull, is that a change in i

11 physical plant?

12 A No.  !

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14 I is the starting up and stopping of e'quipment; changes 15 in the system line ups; I am talking -- I guess what I am 16 saying is by changes in physical plant. )

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Q Do you know of any other Control Room documentation that

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. 22 This is only conjecture, okay, but 23 other logs that are kept are around the Control Room, the 24 GE, I believe, the STO is the abbreviation for what his 25 official title is.

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d NSO's log are the only official logs in the Control Room.

5 Q Mr. Burt, have I or any other NRC representative 6 threatened you in any manner or offered you any reward 7

in return for this statement? l 8

A No.

Q Have you given this statement freely and voluntarily?

10 A Oh, sure, yes I have. l 11 Q Is there anything further that you care to add for the record?

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MR. KALKMAN: Thank you.

15 (Deposition concluded at 11:40 a.m.)

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