ML20206U625
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| Site: | Seabrook  |
| Issue date: | 09/29/1986 |
| From: | Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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G UN11ED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION IN THE MATTER OF: DOCKET NO:
PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY 50-443-OL-1 0F NEW HAMPSHIRE, ET AL 50-444-OL-1 .
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LOCATION: PORTSMOUTH, NEW HAMPSHIRE PAGES: 26 - 191 DATE: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 1986 o I ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION 3 BEFORE THE ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD 4
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6 Public Service Company of : Docket Nos. 50-443 OL New Hampshire, et al. : 50-444 OL 7 : ONSITE EMERGENCY (Seabrook Station, Units 1 & 2) : PLANNING & TECHNICAL ISSUES 8 --------------------------------X 9
10 Howard Johndon's Motor Lodge 11 Interstate Traffic Circle Salons A & B 12 Portsmouth, New Hampsire 13 Monday, September 29, 1986 14 Hearing in the above-entitled matter was convened 15 at 9:05 a.m., SHELDON J. WOLFE, presiding.
16 BEFORE 17 SHELDON J. WOLFE, Chairman Nuclear Regulatory Commissio~n 18 Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Washington, D. C. 20555 1 19 EMMETH A. LUEBKE, Member 20 Nuclear Regulatory Commission Atomic Safety and Licensing Board 21 Washington, D. C. 20555 22 JERRY HARBOUR, Member Nuclear Regulatory Commission 23 Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Washington, D. C. 20555 O3 24 Ace-Federst Reporters, Inc.
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%.J 2 On Behalf of the Applicants 3 THOMAS G. DIGNAN, JR., ESQ.
KATHERINE A. SELLECK, ESQ.
4 Ropes & Gray 225 Franklin Street 5 Boston, Massachusetts 02110 6 On Behalf of the NRC 7 SHERWIN E. TURK, ESQ.
ROBERT PERLIS, ESQ.
8 Office of the General Counsel Nuclear Regulatory Commission 9 Washington, D. C. 20555 10 On Behalf of the State of New Hampshire ,
II GEORGE DANA BISBEE, ESQ.
Senior Assistant Attorney General 12 Office of the Attorney General
() 13 State House Annex Concord, New Hampshire 14 On Behalf of the Seacoast Anti-Pollution League 15 ROBERT A. BACKUS, ESQ.
JANE DOUGHTY, ESQ.
16 5 Market Street Portsmouth, New Hampshire 03801 17 On Behalf of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts 18 CAROL SNEIDER, ESO.
19 Accistant Attorney General Commonwealth of Massachusetts 20 On Behalf of the New England Coalition on Nuclear Pollution 21 DIANE CURRAN, ESQ.
22 Harmon & Weiss 20001 S Street, S.W.
23 Suite 430 Washington, D. C. 20009 Ace-Federal Reporters, Inc.
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28 u:W I CONTENTS 2
3 OPENING STATEMENT 4 Mr. Dignan Page 56 5
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: This reopened hearing is now in 4 session. The case is in the matter of the Public Service 5 Company of New Hampsire, Seabrook Station, Units 1 & 2.
6 FROM THE FLOOR: Can't be heard.
7 JUDGE WOLFE: Docket Numbers 50-443 OL and 8 50-444 OL,.onsite emergency planning --
9 FROM THE FLOOR: You can't be heard.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: On site emergency planning and 11 technical issues. This proceeding is presided over by the 12 Nuclear Regulatory Atomic Safety and Licensing Board.
13 To my left is Administrative Judge Harbour, who 14 is the geologist member of the Board. To my right is 15 Administrative Judge Luebke, the nuclear physicist member.
I'6 And, I am Administrative Judge Wolfe, Chairman and legal 17 member.
18 For the record, beginning to my left, would counsel 19 identify themselves for the record?
20 MR. DIGNAN: Mr. Chairman and members of the Board, 21 my name is Thomas G. Dignan, Jr. I am a member of the law 22 firm of Ropes & Gray, 225 Franklin Street, Boston, 23 Massassachusetts. To my immediate left is my colleague,
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Katherine A. Selleck. Together, we appear for the Applicant 25 in this matter. To my far left is Donald Commer, who is my
c 30 Sr-7 1 paralegal but will not be entering an appearance.
V)#1 2 MR. TURK: Mr. Chairman and members of the Board, 3 my name is Sherwin E. Turk. I appear here on behalf of the 4 NRC Staff. To my right is Robert Perlis, who is also appear-5 ing on behalf of the NRC Staff. To my left is Mr. Vic Nerses, 6 who is Project Manager on the Seabrook plant but he will not 7 be entering an appearance.
8 MR. BISBEE: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, and members 9 of the Board. I am George Dana Bisbee, Senior Assistant 10 Attorney General, representing the State of New Hampshire.
11 MS. DOUGHTY: Good morning. I am Jane Doughty 12 with the Seacoast Anti-Pollution League. 'I am also expecting O 13 this morning, Mr. Robert Backus who I expect has been unavoidab ly 14 detained in some manner. But, I am expecting him to be here 15 also.
16 JUDGE WOLFE: Have you entered your appearance in 17 this case, Ms. Doughty?
18 MS. DOUGHTY: Yes, I have.
19 MS. SNEIDER: Good morning, Mr. Chairman, members 20 of the Board. I am Carol Sneider, Assistant Attorney General, 21 representing the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.
22 MS. CURRAN: Good morning. My name is Diane 23 Curran. I am with the firm of Harmon & Weiss in Washington, 24 D.C. I represent the New England Coalition on Nuclear Ase Federet Reporters, Inc.
25 Pollution. And with me today is Kate Silbaugh, a paralegal with
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2 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. As background for this 3 case, aa of August 1983 the then presiding Board had been 4 delegated to hear evidence, both upon off-site emergency 5 planning issues and upon on-site safety and emergency planning 6 issues.
7 In August 1983, the original Board heard evidence 8 upon, among other things, on-site emergency planning and 9 safety issues which related to environmental qualification of Kl electrical equipment and to emergency action levels. A third 11 on-site safety issue related to control room design was not 4
12 heard at that time because of efforts to settle that issue.
O 13 That original Board closed the record, and some 14 of the parties filed proposed Findings of Fact. In September 15 of '85, this present Board was appointed to preside over all 16 on-site safety and emergency planning issues.
17 The original Board retained its jurisdiction over 18 all off-site planning issues.
1 I9 On November 4, 1985 after reviewing the record, 20 this on-site Board concluded that the record needed to be 21 reopened upon on-site issues for the limited purpose of 22 supplementation. During this reopened limited hearing, this 23 Board will hear evidence upon the following on-site emergency 24 planning and safety issues.
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32 o ,4-SueW 1 equipment. Two. Emergency action levels. And, three, the (b 2 safety parameter display system.
3 As indicated before, we do not have jurisdiction 4 of authority to consider and decide off-site issues such as /
5 off-site emergency evacuation issues. The original Board 6 does have this jurisdiction and authority.
7 I have received a letter from the Clamshell 8 Alliance and letters from numerous of its members and several 9 letters from other individuals. I have responded to these 10 letters, although a few letters were received too late for 11 me to respond. On Friday, September 26th, I received 12 numerous letters from members of an organization known as 13 Citizens Within the 10-Mile Radius of Amesbury, Massachusetts.
14 But, it was too late for me to write and respond.
15 These organizations and individuals requested to 16 make oral limited appearance statements. The purpose of 17 having limited appearance statements is to alert a Board to 18 matters within the Board's jurisdiction upon which evidence 19 should be presented. These statements are not received under 20 oath and are not evidence.
21 As you are aware, the original Board held limited 22 appearance statements in Dover, Exeter and Seabrook, New 23 Ilampshire. And, individuals from many areas of New llampsire,
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as well as Massachusetts, presented limited appearance 25 statements.
33 1 At that time, in August 1983, two of the on-site
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3 And, the third issue now before us has already been admitted 4 as an issue in controversy but is not being tried because 5 of the possibility of being settled.
6 Thus, the public had the opportunity to orally 7 comment via limited appearance statements upon these on-site 8 issues. I have read all those limited appearance statements, 9 and I have read them thoroughly, and found that they fell into 10 three categories. One, comments over concerns about off-site 11 emergency evacuation especially in the beach areas; two, 12 comments over concerns about off-site radiation in the event O 13 of a serious accident; and, three, comments over concerns 14 about construction costs as impacting on consumers' rate 15 bills.
16 Of course, we are all concerned, and have been 17 concerned, by the Chernobyl accident. But, there have been 18 no definitive reports and no definitive analysis made to date, 19 and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has not directed us, 20 this Board, or authorized this Board to consider any aspects l
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I 22 FROM THE FLOOR: Excuse me.
23 JUDGE WOLFE: As an adjudicatory Board, we do not --
24 FROM Tile FLOOR: Excuse me. Could I speak --
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25 JUDGE WOLFE: Please be quiet. Please sit down.
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2 from New Hampshire and I've been authorized by many of the 3 citizens of the City of New Hampshire to come_over here today 4 and request that we be allowed to give oral testimony because 5 o f --
6 JUDGE WOLFE: Please sit down while I finish my 7 statement.
8 As an adjudicatory Board, we do not count the 9 number of people for or against this project. And, we are 10 not persuaded by anything other than the merits of the 11 evidence which is being presented to us during this evidentiary 12 hearing.
O 13 I would add that the public has the right to ,
14 attend and hear the evidence presented by the parties. However ,
15 only the parties to this litigation have a right to call 16 witnesses who will testify under oath.
17 Limited appearance statements, as I've noted 18 before, are not made under oath and are not evidence.
19 Pursuant to the commission's regulations, at the 20 discretion of the presiding officer limited appearance state-21 ments may be received within the limits and conditions fixed 22 by the presiding officer.
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(s) . 2 not to receive any more oral limited appearance statements.
3 However, once again you are all cordially invited 4 to stay and to hear the evidence presented in this public 5 hearing.
- 6 All right. We will now proceed to hear the
- 7 supplementary evidence. But I think --
l l 8 FROM THE FLOOR: You are saying that our testimony 9 has no basis on the licensing of the plant to operate?
10 JUDGE WOLFE: I stand on what I said, please sit 11 down.
12 FROM THE FLOOR: And the statements from the public O 13 is not evidence, that therefore we can sit here and shut up 14 and just watch you execute us. You know, you are clerks, not 15 judges, l
16 You expect us to walk silently to the gas chambers 17 and watch our children die. Thank you, you may proceed with 18 your hearing.
19 FROM THE FLOOR: I have a question sir. I have 20 some petitions that were signed, who would like to be heard 21 in this hearing.
22 JUDGE WOLFE: I am sorry --
23 FROM THE FLOOR: And this is only just.a small pile.
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24 JUDGE WOLFE: I will not accept these. Officer, 25 would you take those petitions. As I told you, we are not
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1 taking any limited appearance statements, period.
2 And that is the Board's ruling, and that is the 3 end of it.
4 FROM THE FLOOR: A point of order.
5 JUDGE WOLFE: There is no point of order. This is 6 an evidentiary hearing.
i 7 FROM THE FLOOR: Could I ask you one question. One 8 question.
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- You will not get an answer, because 10 I have given the Board's ruling.
11 FROM THE FLOOR: I want to make the question a 4
12 record of this hearing. How can you hold a hearing and not
! O 13 have people speak when there has been evidence suppresed 1
14 by the NRC, when the people don't know what is going on. How i
- 15 can they be part of a hearing? Why can't we be part of a i 16 hearing.
I 17 I don't understand it, sir. Is this America or 18 is it Russia?
j i 19 JUDGE WOLFE Will you please step down --
20 FROM Tile FLOOR: I don't know.
i 21 JUDGE WOLFE All right. We will now proceed with 22 the evidentiary hearing. I think there are several preliminary 1
23 matters to take care of.
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Would you take that sign away? There are some 25 preliminary matters to be taken care of.
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2-3-gjw 37 1 I believe we will start with you, Mr. Dignan. Do 2 you have any preliminary matters to discuss?
3 MR. DINGNAN: No, Your Honor. At this time the 4 Applicant stands ready to go forward. I will have an 5 opening statement pursuant to Section SCl of Appendix A 6 to 10-CFR 2, and then we will be prepared to go forward with 7 our first witness.
8 JUDGE WOLFE: Staff?
9 MR. TURK: Mr. Chairman, we have ready for 10 introduction into evidence the supplements to the Safety 11 Evaluation Report, Supplements 3, 4, and 5.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: All right, will you take them to the O 13 Court Reporter and have them marked for identification.
XXX INDEX 14 (Above referred to documents are 15 marked Staff Exhibits 3, 4, and 5, 16 for Identification.)
17 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. Will you take them 18 to the court reporter, and they are marked for identification.
19 JUDGE WOLFE The Staf f has presented, and there 20 has been admitted into evidence of of the original hearing 21 Staff Exhibit 1, which is the SER, Staff Exhibit 1-A, which 22 was the SER Supplement 1, Staff Exhibit 1-B, which was the 23 SER Supplement 2, and the final environmental statement,
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24 which was admitted as Staf f Exhibit 2. I would request the 25 parties for advice -- I don't know whether a distinction
2-4-gjw 38 g$ 1 need be made between exhibits which were admitted by certain y /.
2 numbers in the original hearings, and exhibits that are 3 admitted in this supplementary hearing. I would think not, 4 but I would like advice of counsel.
5 MR. DIGNAN: I. have no pre ference.
6 MR. TURK: My own preference would be to have the 7 numbering in continuing sequence. For that reason I ask 8 that these exhibits -- Supplement No. 3 will be Staf f Exhibit 9 No. 3, Supplement No. 4 will be Staff Exhibit No. 4, and 10 Supplement No. 5 would be Staff Exhibit No. 5.
11 JUDGE WOLFE: Any other co:nments? That is 12 agreeable with the Board.
O 13 MS. CURRAN: I don't recall -- I started these 14 from 1.
15 JUDGE WOLFE: No, I don't bc.lieve you did.
16 FROM TIIE FLOOR: Would somebody turn on her 17 microphone, please.
18 MR. TURK: I ask that these documents be marked 19 for identification as Staff Exhibits 3, 4, and 5 as I indicated 20 previously, and at this time I would of fer them as evidence, 21 and ask that they be received.
22 JUDGE WOLFE Any objections?
23 MR. DIGNAN: No objection.
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FROM Tile FLOOR: I have an objection. I am a 25 town official here. I am from the Town of Rye, ones that
2-5-gjw 39 I you have excluded from participation.
0,t 2 JUDGE WOLFE: What is your name, please?
3 FROM THE FLOOR: My name is Guy Chichester. I 4 would like to ask this Board to start this hearing in a 5 democratic way. In an open, public way, so that the public 6 can hear what is going on.
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8 And so that the public can take part in this.
9 That it is not a ramrod for a license by a government that 10 is far removed from the needs of the people.
11 JUDGE WOLFE: I have made my ruling. The Board 12 has made its ruling.
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14 FROM THE FLOOR: You cannot gag the people.
15 JUDGE WOLFE: Staff Exhibits 3, the SER Supplement 16 3 is admitted into evidence. Staff Exhibit 4, which is 17 Supplement 4 to the SER, and Staf f Exhibit 5, is admitted, 18 which is SER Supplement 5.
XXX 19 (Above mentioned documents, 20 previously marked for identification 21 as Staff Exhibits 3, 4, and 5, are 22 received in evidence.)
23 JUDGE WOLFE: Now I understand, Mr. Turk, that
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Supplement 6 to the SER will come into the record as part 25 of your written testimony, is that correct, as an attachment,
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O 2 MR. TURK: Supplement 6 will be attached on 3 --- to testimony of SPDS issue that will come into evidence.
4 JUDGE WOLFE: All right.
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42 Sim 2-1 JUDGE WOLFE: Are there any other exhibite 3
2 that should be marked for identification and offered at this time?
3 Yes, Ms. Curran.
4 5 (Disturbances from the audience.)
JUDGE WOLFE: If you are here to hear the 7
evidence, you cannot hear it with rustling of those plaquard- f and signs. Please stop.
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g FROM THE FLOOR: There is no evidence worth hearing.
JUDGE WOLFE: Than you may leave if you desire.
As long as you are in this public hearing room you will not be distrupting ---
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15 MS. MORSE: Excuse me. I think that everybody 16 I should ---
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$ JUDGE WOLFE Plese be quiet.
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MS. MORSE: I think . everybody should be quiet.
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j 20 4 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. Ms. Curran.
l 21 f MS. CURRAN: I have a number cf exhibits that I was planning to introduce in the course of my cross-23 examination, and I would prefer to wait to do that.
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43 Sim 2-2 1 MR. BACKUS: We are in that position, too.
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: You are Mr. Backus?
4 MR. BACKUS: Yes, I am. I apologize, and I 5 would like to note my appearance for the Board. I am 6 Attorney Backus.
7 MR. DIGNAN: Mr. Chairman, with respect to the 8 applicant's evidence, I have already furnished to the g reporters the requisite three copies of all evidence we to will be offering, that we will be offering and ask that be 3, bound into the transcript as if read rather than made as 12 exhibits.
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JUDGE WOLFE: Those were ten exhibits in number?
j4 n; MR. DIGNAN: There was'one piece of testimony n3 that had 10 exhibits in number and the packages have been j 37 furnished to the reporters and the reporters will incorporate t
18 them into the record at the time they are offered, into j 10 the transcript.
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d no was the Exhibit 1, so-called, the PSNil letter, (SNB-21 i
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22 23 MR. DIGNAN: That is correct, Your lionor.
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p 44 Sim.2-3 1 Are there any other preliminary matters?
l 2 FROM THE FLOOR: Can we'get some more chaira 3 in here. There aren't enough seats for people.
4 JUDGE WOLFE: How many people are standing,
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6 FROM THE FLOOR: A lot of them.
7 JUDGE WOLFE: It is being taken care of. Some-8 body is going out to see if we can find more chairs.
g MS. MORSE: Yes, I have a preliminary matter.
10 There is one ---
11 JUDGE WOLFE We will now proceed ---
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13 We are now in evidentiary hearing. Please O 14 do not comment from the audience. We are now in the 15 ovidentiary hearing part of it period.
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I j g gg JUDGE WOLFE: .No, not.from anyone in the audience .
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21 JUDGE WOLFE: This is now in evidentiary hearing ir gg and the parties are before this Board to try issues and 23 they will be the ones to offer evidence.
24 Now we have a preliminary matter ---
25 FROM Tile FLOOR: Your !!onor, we can't hear.
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j what is going on. This is ridiculous.
JUDGE WOLFE: There is outstanding --- [
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l Mr. Backus, you have outstanding a motion filed
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Project Mangers for Seabrook as witnesses; is that correct?
MR. BACKUS: That is right.
JUDGE WOLFE Mr. Turk, might I recognize the l rules that you have 20 days within which to respond to that 12 l motion. Ilowever, because of shortness of time, are you now prepared to respond orally to SAPL's motion to compel?
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MR. TURK: Mr. Perlis for the Staff will address l 15 that issue, Your Honor.
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j 19 i MR. PERLIS: The staff opposes the motion for 2a the following reasons.
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2 The motion is untimely in that the staff indicate d 3 on August 25th in response to interrogatories that the only 4 witness that we identified at that time is the only witness
! 5 we plan on calling, Mr. Eckenrode. We do not plan on calling 6 any of the staff project managers. That should have been 7 understood more than a month ago. It was approximately 8 a month before this motion was filed.
9 Finally, I would like to point out something 10 about the SPDS contention here. The staff established 11 schedules are always above challenge, but to make such 12 a challenge one of two things has to be done. Either a
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14 law, in this case the full SPDS is required to be implemented 15 before licensing, in which case there is no need for an 16 evidentiary hearing because this matter of law would either 17 be true or not true, or a party can do what the Board is 18 hold a hearing on here, which is to make the challenge based j 19 on specific facts that various items need to be put into J
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r W don't challenge whether a party can raise 22 23 such a contention and we don't holieve it has been raised 24 here, but even if it had been raised here, if that is the
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h) w-various items, we don't believe the testimony called for 3
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to that issue and certainly does not reach the level of 6
exceptional circumstances.
6 e r m sorry, Judge Wolfe. There was one other 7
comment I wanted to make, and that was insofar as the 8
issue of implementation dates is relevant, and the staff 9
submits that it is not relevant to the contention as 10 admitted by the Board here, we believe that the witness 11 we are presenting will be able to address the question of 12 implementation.
13 fq But I do want to make clear that we don't k.)
14 believe it is relevant, but the witness we are presenting 15 we believe will be able to answer any questions about an 16 implementation schedule.
j 17 JUDGE WOLFE I must say that as the legal member 18 of this board that I had great difficulty in understanding d 19 the basis for the motion.
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22 JUDGE WOLFE: Why wasn't it explained in the 23 motion? And before you do, I would ask the staff, do you 24 understand what the basis for the motion is? lias this
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f^')v.,_j 2 MR. PERLIS: I think I understand the basis for 3 the motion. I have discussed this with Mr. Backus. I would 4
prefer to let him address that right now, but I think my 5 understanding is correct.
6 MR. BACKUS: Well, Mr. Chairman, thia motion 7 followed immediately upon the staff informing us that they 8 would not comply with our request that project managers 9 be produced. By that I speak to the issue of the timing 10 of the motion. It was filed as soon as the staff made 11 a defended decision they would not exceed to our requent.
12 Now I take it the fact that the Board has
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14 basis there is some reason to believe the Board does not 15 agree with the staff view that the timing of when a safety 16 parameter display system has to be in place is solely a
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2 18 If that is an issue that is before this Board, j 19 and I think this Board's' ruling on the motion for summary i
20 disposition indicates that it is, then the staff treatment l
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22 safety parameter display system meeting all the requirements 23 of NUREG 0737 Supplement 1 is a critical issue before the 24 Board.
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\ e' 25 The relevant document, 0737, Supplement 1, says
49 Sim 2-8 1 at 3.5 " Specific implementation-plans and reasonable q 2 achievable schedules for improvements that will satisfy the 3 requirements ---
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5 --- will be established by agreement between 6 the NRC project manager and each individual licensee.
7 It appears to us that this regulation, wliich 8 is the one governing the contention that we filed and has g been admitted here, calls for critical decision-making betweer.
10 the project manager at the relevant time and the licensee.
11 In the face of that I fail to see how the 12 project managers can be other than relevant and necessary 13 to the decision this Board has to make, b
14 Now it may be that the project managers will 15 say that they relied on Mr. Eckenrode or advice from some 16 national lab or something like that. I don't know that, s
j 37 but I think we are entitled and should have these staff 2
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g implementation has not been produ,ced with this nuclear plant d
g is-now seven years behind schedle, and the staff is agreeing a
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23 It seems to me that the project manager, who 25 is the person described as having responsibility in the
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: Have you ever ---
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51 SueW j JUDGE WOLFE: I will start my question again.
2 Why didn't'you apply for a subpoena ad testificandum 3 to the Staff?
4 In what other hearings: have you ever been in when 5 you proceeded by a motion to compel the attendance of 6 witnesses?
7 MR. BACKUS: Well, I think we have done that 8 back in the construction permit. But, frankly I was 9 surprised that the Staff resisted the request to produce 10 the Project Manager in light of the governing provisions.
11 The Staff has not been, I think, generally 12 uncooperative in providing data responses, although we did 13 have a necessity to have a conference call with the Board 14 about some of them.
15 But, having this contention be admitted over 16 their claim that it should be summarily dismissed, I was 17 frankly surprised. Now, we could have perhaps captioned 18 our piece of paper differently as a request for subpoena 19 rather than a motion to compel, but either way the substance 20 is clear. We think these people, or person, should be 21 produced.
22 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. It's the Board's conclusion 23 that the motion to compel the attendance of another party's
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v) 2 would require a showing of general relevancy. We don't 3 think that general relevancy has been shown here.
4 A subpoena --
5 FROM THE FLOOR: Excuse me. But, why should 6 the lives of my children and the lives of my grandchildren 7 hinge on this kind of --
8 JUDGE WOLFE: Please be seated.
9 FROM THE FLOOR: -- interpretation that you --
10 JUDGE WOLFE: Please be seated. You are not to 11 speak from the audience.
12 FROM THE FLOOR: But, I do --
13 JUDGE WOLFE: This is an evidentiary hearing. You 14 are not a witness.
15 (Disturbance from the audience.)
I 16 JUDGE WOLFE: Further, Mr. Backus, a subpoena 17 may not be issued or served upon NRC personnel pursuant to --
18 (Disturbance from the audience.)
19 JUDGE WOLFE: A subpoena may not be issued and 20 served upon NRC personnel pursuant to the Commission's 21 regulation 2.720 (h) (i) ; and, in any event, there has been 22 no showing of exceptional --
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25 Project Managers have knowledge of the material facts. And,
53 0'm3-SueW 1 we don't know what fact is material here.
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: The testimony that you seek from 4 the Project Managers is as to the timing of the -- of 5 implementation of the SPDS system. Now, that certainly is 6 not in issue.
7 If you will read, once again, our Ruling, our 8 Memorandum and Order, ruling on the Applicant',s motion --
9 (Disturbance from the audience.)
10 JUDGE WOLFE: If you will read once again --
11 (Disturbance from the audience.)
12 JUDGE WOLFE: If you will read carefully the 1 13 Memorandum --
14 (Disturbance from the audience.)
15 JUDGE WOLFE: If you will reread the Memorandum 16 and Order, dated September 15, 1986, which denied in part 17 and granted in part Applicant's motion for summary disposi-18 tion of the SAPL Supplemental Contention 6, you will see 19 that the timing of implementation is not in issue.
20 The sole issue, as we posed in Paragraph 3.of that 21 Order, was whether or not in light of the fact that the SPDS 22 is not currently at an optimum, i.e., incomplete because of 23 the aforementioned deficiencies, there is reasonable
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assurance that in deferring improvements to the SPDS until 25 the first refueling outage, the safety of the population of
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: -- the safety of.the population in 4 the immediate v.cinity of the plant will be protected.
5 Now, the --
6 (Disturbance from the audience.)
7 JUDGE WOLFE: The reason --
8 (Disturbance from the audience.)
9 JUDGE WOLFE: -- is --
10 '(Disturbance from the audience.)
11 FROM THE FLOOR: Excuse me. The bottom line is 12 this. The bottom line is this.
O 13 JUDGE WOLFE: You will please be seated. I am 14 not taking any statements from the audience. Please be 15 seated.
16 (Disturbance from the audience. )
17 FROM THE FLOOR: By the year -- excuse me. By 18 the year 2000 --
19 JUDGE WOLFE: I told you to sit down and be quiet.
20 (Disturbance from the audience.)
21 FROM THE FLOOR: By the year 2000 --
22 JUDGE WOLFE: Mr. Backus, therefore, the implementa-23 tion, the timing of the implementation, is not in issue.
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3 So, your motion, SAPL's motion to compel is 4 denied.
5 (Disturbance from the audience.)
6 JUDGE WOLFE: I think that -- is that the end of 7 the preliminary matters?
8 FROM THE FLOOR: No. No.
9 (Disturbance from the audience.)
10 JUDGE WOLFE: We will now proceed to hear 11 supplementary evidence upon NECNP's Contention 1.B.2. --
12 FROM THE FLOOR: We can't hear. ,
13 JUDGE WOLFE: We will now proceed to hear 14 supplementary evidence upon NECNP's Contention 1.B.2 regarding 15 environmentalquhlificationofelectricalequipment.
t 16 The or' der of presentation on these contentions 17 has been agreed upon by counsel for the parties.
18 (Disturbance from the audience.)
19 JUDGE WOLFE: Will the parties hand three copies
. 20 each of their proposed cross-examination upon this issue?
21 Staff, will you cross examine? And, do you have 22 cross-examination plans ready?
23 MR. TURK: Yes.
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4 (Disturbance from the audience.)
5 JUDGE WOLFE: Mr. Bisbee?
6 MR. BISBEE: The State of New Hampshire has none,
, 7 Your Honor.
8 JUDGE WOLFE: You don't intend to cross examine?
9 MR. BISBEE: That's correct.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: Mr. Backus?
11 MR. BACKUS: We have none.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: And, Ms. Curran?
N_) 13 MS. CURRAN: Yes, I do.
14 JUDGE WOLFE: Did you want to make an opening 15 statement?
16 MR. DIGNAN: I did. I thought it might be useful 17 to the Board to outline the Applicant's case briefly in an 18 opening statement.
19 Mr. Chairman, members of the Board --
20 FROM THE FLOOR: We can't hear.
21 (Disturbance from the audience.)
22 MR. DIGNAN: We are assembled here today --
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3 MR. DIGNAN: Three of these contentions are here 4 because of an Order reopening the evidentiary record with 5 respect to them for the limited purpose of supplementation.
6 These are first, NECNP 1.B.2 --
7 (Disturbance from the audience.)
8 MR. DIGNAN: -- which is a contention dealing with 9 time duration for environmental qualification.of electrical 10 equipment. The other two are NECNP 3.1 and NH.20 which deal 11 with the subject of emergency action levels. The fourth 12 contention before you, as you have indicated, is a contention 13 numbered SAPL Supplemental Contention Number 6. This contention 14 is the subject of an evidentiary hearing for the first time.
15 Partial summary disposition has been granted with 16 respect to this contention.
17 FROM THE FLOOR: (Approaching Mr. Dignan and the 18 microphone he is using.) Can we turn this up a little closer 19 so we can hear you?
20 MR. DIGNAN: It won't help.
21 FROM THE FLOOR: Oh, it won't?
22 MR. DIGNAN: No.
23 FROM THE FLOOR: Well, let's try it.
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25 FROM THE FLOOR: No. I need to --
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3 FROM THE FLOOR: I don't think you realize, they 4 are taking the numbers of all the cars in the parking lot 5 that have No-Nuc stickers on them. They are taking the 6 license numbers. They are threatening to pull them out with 7 the wreckers. And I want this hearing either assured that 8 we have privacy here, or you can move it somewhere else.
4 9 (Disturbance from the audience.)
10 FROM THE FLOOR: He first told me he was a protestor ,
11 which was a lie. And, now they are out there in the parking 12 lot doing their dirty work.
d 13 JUDGE WOLFE: Please be seated. I know nothing 14 about that. Please be seated.
15 FROM THE FLOOR: No. I'm going to stand here 16 until my car is safe.
17 (Disturbance from the audience.)
18 JUDGE WOLFE: Because of the disruptions in this 19 audience, we --
20 (Disturbance from the audience. )
21 JUDGE WOLFE: Because of the disruptions in this 22 audience, we are having a one hour recess at which time we 23 will reconvene.
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- ;, 3 1 JUDGE WOLFE: Before you proceed, Mr. Dignan, U 2 Mr. Backus because of the noise and disruptions, because 3 of that, perhaps I mispoke with respect to your motion to 4 compel of I think September 23rd.
5 Certainly the timing --
6 FROM THE FLOOR: I can ' t hear.
7 JUDGE WOLFE:' Certainly the timing of. implementation 8 of certain deficiencies in the SPDS System is relative 9 material, and that is the issue as stated by the Board in its 10 Memorandum and Order of September 15, ruling on samples ---
11 ruling on Applicant's motion for summary disposition.
12 Cross-examination of the witness being presented O 13 by the Staff on that issue certainly would be proper. However, 14 even if an application for a subpoena had been applied for, 15 the reasons why the project manager or project managers 16 agreed to the timing of the implementation to correct the 17 deficiencies in the SPDS following the first refueling 18 outage, or indeed why it took so long to correct these 19 deficiencies, this is not a fact material or relevant to the l 20 issue.
21 That is why we denied your motion, because there
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2 Back to you, Mr. Dignan, for your opening state-3 ment. Proceed.
4 MR. DIGNAN: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
5 MS. CURRAN: I would just like to make a request --
6 FROM THE FLOOR: We can't hear.
7 MS. CURRAN: Given the level of interest in this 8
hearing and the fact that there have not been any limited 9 appearance hearings for several years, I would like to re-10 quest the Board to establish some time for taking limited 11 appearances.
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16 (Disturbance from the audience.)
17 JUDGE WOLFE: We will now stand in recess for 18 another hour. We will return in an hour's time.
19 (Whereupon, a recess is taken at 11:07 a.m., to 20 reconvene at 12:04 p.m., this same day.)
21 JUDGE WOLFE: The proceeding is now in order.
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2 JUDGO WOLFE: Now --
3 FROM THE FLOOR: I would like to present before 4 this Commission this statement from Senator --
5 JUDGE WOLFE : You will please be seated in the 6 back.
7 This hearing is now in order. Please be seated.
8 (Disturbance from audience.)
9 JUDGE WOLFE: Please be seated; please be seated.
10 FROM THE FLOOR: Do I understand you don't want to
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12 JUDGE WOLFE: I am going to make an announcement.
(D k' Please be seated.
13 14 FROM THE FLOOR: Is his answer relevant?
15 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. The Board has reconsidered 16 its ruling on oral limited appearance statements in order j7 that this Board can proceed with its evidentiary hearing.
18 We have decided to allow oral limited appearance 19 statements between one-thirty and five-thirty, and seven to 20 ten p.m., today, Monday.
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21 22 JUDGE WOLFE: I haven't finished. We will receive 23 oral limited appearance statements between seven and ten
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p.m., on Tuesday, and between seven and ten p.m. on Friday.
25 Provided that the evidentiary hearing can proceed on Tuesday,
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(.f 2 We will --
3 FROM THE FLOOR: No, no. No bribe. No bribes.
4 JUDGE WOLFE: You haven' t heard my ruling, and 5 please be quiet.
6 FROM THE FLOOR: No, I won't. What do you think 7 of that.
8 JUDGE WOLFE : We will receive written limited 9 appearance statements, that is, in writing at any time. If 10 we are not able to conduct an orderly evidentiary hearing on 11 Tuesday, Wednesday or Friday, we will immediately adjourn the 12 hearing which will thereafter be held in the Federal Courtroom i
em 13 in Boston, or we will recess to the Nuclear Regulatory 1-4 Hearing Room in Bethesda, Maryland.
15 We will now recess until one-thirty this afternoon, 16 and proceed to take oral limited appearance statement.
17 Ms. Curran has kindly advised that she would have her 18 legal assistant take sign up sheets, and if you will before 19 leaving sign up and we will take your oral limited appearance 20 statement beginning with the first person signing up. These 21 limited appearance statements must necessarily, because of the 1
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64 Sim~1-1 1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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J3 BEFORE THE' ATOMIC SAFETY AND LICENSING BOARD 4 ----------------X 5 In the Matter of: :
6 PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF : Docket Nos. 50-443-OL NEW HAMPSHIRE, ET AL. : 50-444-OL 7 : Onsite Emergency Planning (Seabrook Station, Units 1 & 2 : and Technical ~ Issues 8 :
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Howard Johnson's Motor Lodge 10 Interstate Traffic Circle Salons A & B 11 Portsmouth,.New Hampshire 12 Monday, September 29, 1986
,3 13 The Limited Appearance Session convened, 14 pursuant to notice, at 1:30 p.m.
15 BEFORE:
16 SHELDON J.~WOLFE, Chairman
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{ Washington, D.C. 20555 4
!~ EMMETH A. LUEBKE, Member j 19 Atomic Safety and Licensing Board g Nuclear. Regulatory Commission 20 Washington, D.C. 20555 l
21 JERRY HARBOUR, Mcmber i
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4 Steven H. Edes 73
! 5 Susan Schutz 75 6 Chris Nord 77 7 P. A. Trisha 81 i
8 Catherine Rhoda 84 9 Mark LaPlume 86 10 Paula Willis 89 11 Mimi Fallon 91 i
12 Harry Leno 95 1
13 Joan Bigler 96 l
14 Sandra Mitchell 99
! 15 Steve Comley 101 16 Wes Cocheron 110 17 Allison Childs 114 18 Ingrid Sanborn 116
- 19 Joyce Zafris 119 20 Robert Reyncids Cushing, Jr. 121 21 Sid Madore 125 22 simo Sandra Stollman 128 l 23 Harold Cleary 132
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3 Catherine DeMore 141 4 Doug Richardson 143 1
5 Amanda McDonough 152 6 Helen and Larry Folloni 154 7 Mike Bowie 159 8 Thomas Boughan 161 9 Jeanine Burns 165 4
10 Mary Knapp 167 4
11 Michaela Richmond 171 12 Sandra Douglas 173 O 13 Marshal Hart 175 14 Rev. Bill Carter 178 15 Sally Barrows 181 16 I 17 18 19 20 21 4
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. The limited appearance 4 session is now in order.
5 The limited appearance session is now in order.
6 The first limited appearer is Ed Sheldon. Would you come 7 forward, please?
8 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 9 OF 10 ED SHELDON 11 JUDGE WOLFE: Limited appearers will have five 12 minutes in which to make their limited appearance statement.
' We will give a four minute warning, and would appreciate it 13 14 if you would keep it to five minutes or less. If you speak 15 more than five minutes, someone else down the line won't 16 have the opportunity to speak.
17 MR. SHELDON: Okay.
18 JUDGE WOLFE: Would you please spell your last name 19 for the Reporter?
20 MR. SHELDON: I t is S-h-e-1-d-o-n .
21 JUDGE 2WOLFE: And you are from?
22 MR. SHELDON: Metheun, Massachusetts. First of all, 23 I would like to apologize to you for yelling, okay? But I
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believe I had to make my point clear.
25 The second thing I would like to say is that I would
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And for anybody else who wants to speak. I would like it 4
5 continuing until no .one wants to speak at all any more cbout 6 it.
7 My personal concern with the Seabrook Nuclear Power 8 Plant is my immediate family, my loved ones, my immediate 9 family, my friends, okay? My general community, and the 10 world itself? Okay?
11 I will start with just my own immediate family, 12 okay?
O 13 The evacuation plan clearly states that if there 14 is a major accident at the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant, 15 all right, that people in nursing homes who are too ill to 16 get .up and leave would be lef t behind.
17 I have a cousin who is in a nursing home in Haverhill, 18 and she has MS and she is crippled, and her body is shriveled, 19 and I find that evacuation plan disgusting.
20 I find it contemptible. Do you understand me?
21 It isn't fair? I got involved in this a year ago, and 22 finding out more about all this stuff, and I have been finding 23 out a lot.
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25 major opposition. Not only this government, but every
gjw-5 67 3 1 government in the world that owns vast power plants and 2 nuclear weapons. But you don't hear about them too much.
3 I find out from scientists that say sick people '
4 and babies are the most sensitive and vulnerable to radio 5 . activity.
6 But yet, the governments around the world, and our 7 own government are not sensitive to that. They. say that it 8 doesn' t matter. The electricity is more important. It-T f
9 benefits human life. It benefits human life.
10 The radioactive gasesi that are released from l 11 Seabrook are dangerous I have been told by many scientists.
12 I have. read many books. But they release them, and then
- ) 13 they say well, people have an argument with that, well, look
- 14 at acid rain?
i 15 What kind of argument is that? Acid rain, of course 16 it is bad. But that .doesn't mean you do something else bad 17 to make it worse, do you? Don't you try to solve the 18 problems. Arrest the problem where it stands and then work 19 on it?
., 20 I went to listen to a woman speak in Portsmouth 21 New Hampshire on August 7th 1986. Her name is Dr. Rozalle j 22 Patelle, and she is a Catholic nun, in the Gray Order of 23 Nuns, and she is also a Ph.D -- a holder of Ph.D in bio-()
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has been on the Nuclear Regulatory Commission Council, she 2 ,j has been all ov$r the world', and she told me that her friends 3
4 told her in Nevada that the workers -- the test site workers 5 are very upset af ter the Chernobyl accident, and they are 6 upset for a good reason.
7 And what she figures that reason to be is that 8 when Chernobyl happened, the mighty nuclear test blast in 9 Nevada -- it went off and it failed. It was a failed test, 10 and there was something screwy in the ground, something with 11 their instruments. So they released the radioactivity all 12 at once, and they figured they could get away with doing that O 13 because of Chernobyl's radioactive gases were all over the 14 glob 2.
15 Now you ask me what that has to do with Seabrook?
16 Well, I don't know, ycu tell me? You know what I mean? I am 17 sorry if I am getting opset. You tell me. The Department 18 of Energy runs Seabrook.
19 The Department of Energy has a definite say in the 20 Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant. I guess that is what it has 21 to do with it. The Department of Energy has a definite say 22 in nuclear weapon testing. I guess that is what has to do 23 with it.
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JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you, Mr. Sheldon.
25 MR. SHELDON: You are welcomed.
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2 MR. SHELDON:- This is a document that she, Dr.
3 Patelle, . released at the August 7th meeting, and I also have 4 video tape.
5 JUDGE WOLFE: Ms. Deb Greer? Ms. Greer?
l 6 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT I-1 7 OF l
- 8 DEB GREER 9 MS. GREER
- My name is Deb Green, but in certain i
10 police circles'lately I have been also called Karen Silkwood.
11 I have done my work purposely. I have gone to two 12 different nukes recently and sat down on three different O. 13 occasions to be arrested.
14 I have done many, many other things to try -- I 15 -- to bring about some saneness where this whole crazy issue i 16 is concerned, this madness. Nuclear energy, nuclear industry, 17 it is madness.
18 I chose the name Karen Silkwood because, guys, --
19 are you women really with the NRC? Good, okay. So, it is 20 just you three. I chose the name Karen Silkwood because she
[ 21 was murdered by the nuclear industry.
4 22 Well, my name is Deb Greer, and I am alergic to 4
i 23 iodine, and you gentlemen are murdering me. Do you understand?
24 I looked a judge in the eye when he called me guilty. I am
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2 that plant, and I am not going to stop until I die, and 3 hopefully that won' t be for a long time.
4 Let me tell you something. I have an allergyh 5 to iodine. I am concerned about this planet, and I am 6 concerned about everybody alive, but I am allergic to 7 iodine, guys. That is what is in regular emissions, that 8 you guys call okay.
9 It is not okay. My youngest child is three years 10 old. I conceived him living near Vernon Power Plant. I have 11 so much of this garbage accumulated in my body. I have 12 had five miscarriages, guys. Five dead babies I have 13 mourned.
14 I used to live in the Sierra. That was when I 15 still believed my government. When I still believed you 16 bigwigs, when you used to send notices through the military 17 -- I don't even remember their title -- but they used to 18 send notices saying we are doing testing on such and such 19 a day.
20 Close your windows, stay in your house.
21 I wasn' t too terribly informed back then, so I 22 would read the notice once and then throw it away. Sometimes 23 I would mark my calendar so I could drive to the top of the
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mountain and watch the mushroom clouds. I was an idiot.
25 Here I am, five miscarriages later. No doctor is
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3 Can you look at me? I mean, I looked at the Judge 4 who called me guilty. I am calling you gentlemen murderers.
5 Murderers. I am having severe kidney problems right now. .
6 My urine stinks like sulphur, God knows why. I went to the 7 Vernon Power Plant a couple of days ago, and again was 8 arrested. The police force there disgusted me. Disgusted 9 me.
10 It makes is really hard for me to live with II mankind. I am so angry. My voice is shaking. I am so 12 angry, I am so disgusted at what I am being forced to live 13 with, and what I feel. Do you know what I feel like?
14 I feel like a living, walking geiger counter.
15 Do I matter to you? Because I matter to my two children.
16 I matter to my many friends. I matter to this earth that 17 I love and honor so much, that you people are so willing 18 to destroy.
19 I am too Goddamned good to die. I am too good 20 to be killed for the few of you people who become wealthy.
21 I am not going to let that happen. I am not going to go 22 away. You might jail me occasionally. I am willing to go 23 to jail. I am willing to do that. I am not going to stop.
24 I am not going to be quiet. I will do everything in my Ase-Federal Reporters, Inc.
25 power to stop you powerful people, because you are looking at
72 5-12-gjw one incredibly powerful woman, and you know what? There are 1
fs U 2 millions of us. And we are not going away.
3 So, I have been called filthy recently, but I know 4 how good I am, and I am trying to believe that you have f amilies that love you. I am trying to believe that 5
somewhere within you is really good. But gentlemen, I stand 6
7 here and I call you murderers, and I look you in the eyes, and 8
I wonder if you can look me in the eye, and I wonder if you 9 give a shit at all about my life.
Would anybody like to respond? Do you have 10 11 responses for me?
JUDGE WOLFE: Just a question. You are from 12 13 Keene, are you?
MS. GREER: I live in Keene now, yes, sir.
14 15 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you.
16 (Applause.)
JUDGE WOLFE: Thomas Mougham? Jeanine Burns?
17 18 Steven Edes?
19 FROM THE FLOOR: Will the people be able to speak 20 who are not here at the moment?
21 JUDGE.WOLFE: Yes, I am passing them over, and 22 when we have gotten to the bottom line we will get back to 23 them. All right. Will you spell your lask name please, O(_/ 24 and give your full name?
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STEVEN H. EDES i 4 MR. EDES: My name is Steven H. Edes, E-d-e-s.
5 I live in Goshen, New Hampshire. I am quite unprepared I 6 think to speak here, because 'we were told that we weren' t 7 going to be allowed to speak.
8 I have friends that did not come because they 9 got letters back from yourselves saying that they would 10 not be allowed to speak, and I think it is unfair, unjust, II or whatever, and I hope you will continue this in a couple 12 of weeks, come back to us when some of these folks who wanted O 13 to come here and talk to you and be present to hear what 14 was going on can get here.
15 (Applause.)
16 If I had known I was going to be up front, I I7 would have worn my suit also. I dressed casually, if that 18 has a difference in how I appear to you.
I9 Some things that have come to my mind in this 20 short time, I keep hearing that there is a million to one 21 chance, or whatever the percentage rate is that they use 22 of an accident happening at a nuclear power plant, and it 23 seems to me that that percentage should be coming down by 24 a considerable amount every hour that a nuclear power plant As casse.e n. porters, inc.
25 I think our is on line, and the more thoughout this world.
5-14-gjw 74 I time is narrowing when we are going to have a major disaster.
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V 2 I ask you to look at that in your facts and figures.
3 As a factual analysis, I can't do that.
4 I would like to ask you to maybe go back to all of 5 the people that have worked at the Seabrook nuclear power 6 plant in an interviewing question and answer period, as to 7 the quality of the construction in that plant.
8 I can remember back in my school days coming to to 9 UNH, and listening to friends, and people I didn't know, 10 Well, I have to go get my sleep, I am going over to say:
II work at Seabrook, and they are disappearing some place and 12 sleeping. Listening to them talk about the quality of that O 13 construction that they were doing, even as just laborers, Id but the quality of that work that was going on, the things I3 they let go by.
16 The unawareness of maybe the construction foreman I7 as to really what was really happening and the waste; the y-18 things that walked out of there that we are going to may for I9 now.
20 I ask that you set up -- before you decide what 21 you are going to decide -- talk to each and every one of 22 them, because I think a few people have spoken about that, 23 and I think they have been discredited as they weren't good 24 at their jobs, or they were rabblerousers, or something, and Ass Federal Reporters, Inc.
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2 I just hope that in closing you will give the 3 other people a chance to get down here in a couple of weeks.
4 JUDGE WOLFE: You understood, and do understand, 5 that anyone that wanted to make an oral limited appearance, 6 may if they prefer, to submit something in writing, and we 7 will be glad to receive it.
8 MR. EDES: I think there are a lot of folks that would like to come publicly. I think after showing what 9
10 happened this spring, with the people and numbers, have a 11 greater effect than maybe written material.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: They are invited to submit their G
C 13 limited appearances in writing.
14 MR. EDES: Thank you.
15 (Applause.)
16 JUDGE WOLFE: Susan Shultz?
17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 18 OF
- 19 SUSAN SCHUTZ 20 MS. SCHUTZ
- My name is Susan Schutz, 21 JUDGE WOLFE: Would you spell your last name?
22 MS. SCHUTZ: S-c-h-u-t-z. No, 'L.'
i 23 Newbury, Massachusetts. I, too, am formally unprepared to
) 24 speak today, but I do welcome this opportunity to address Aspederei n.ponm inc.
25 you. I would like to ask you a few questions.
5-16-gjw 76 g) q es 1 Are you aware of the hazards posed by nuclear 2 power?
3 JUDGE WOLFE: You have been invited and very 4 welcomed to make your own comments. We don't answer.
5 MS. SCHUTZ: You don't answer questions?
6 JUDGE WOLFE: And that is because some of your 7 questions might be directed to matters that are presently A
8 before us for our decision.
9 So, we make no exceptions.
10 MS. SCHUTZ: I will curtail the questions. The 11 accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in April 12 is not over. We are still feelign the ramifications from
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14 People throughout Europe now have their food 15 supplies contaminated. And yesterday, or on Saturday, 16 Public Service Company put in a request to the Nuclear 17 Regulatory Commission to decrease its evacuation planning 18 zone to two miles.
19 I would be very serious to know how the NRC can 20 answer that request and justify the probable granting of a 21 license to the facility.
l j 22 I live four point five miles from that plant, and 23 we have already demonstrated in Massachusetts that people I) 24 within that designated evacuation zone have no chance of Aco-Federal Reporters, Inc.
25 getting safety away from any kind of accident there, not to
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3 I am speaking here today for my family who can't 4 be here, and for the thousands of people who also can't be 5 here.
6 This Commission has chosen to hold these hearings 7 at a time that is inconvenient for members of the public 8 to be he re . We have taken days off from work, and without 9 advance notice for people being able to speak, it is a 10 continuation of the unfairness and the manipulation that 11 people have felt throughout this whole process.
12 I ask you to take our testimony to heart, and act 13 as human beings, and with full regard for our safety and-14 health. ,
15 Thank you.
16 (Applause.)
17 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you, Ms. Schutz. Chris 18 Nord?
19 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT
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21 CHRIS NORD MR. NORD: I don't know why I came prepared with 2a a suit coat, but I did. My name is Chris Nord. First name 24 is, C-h-r-i-s, last name is, N-o-r-d.
Aso Federd Reporters, Inc.
25 I live in Merri1mac, Massachusetts, about eight
5-18-gjw 78 1 ' miles'from the Seabrook' Nuclear Poser Plant.
3 2 I am the Massachusetts volunteer staff person
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- , '4 .of the' Alliance, and a founding member of the group of i- 5 citizens within the ten mile radius, which is the group 6 in Northern Massachusetts that is responsible for bringing.
7 evacuation planning as an issue before the public in our 8 area.
9 I .am also a free lance journalist. . I studed the 10 nuclear fuel cycle for ten years, with a very definite 11 bias.
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12 And my bias is the health of all of our families, V The conclusions I have reached. from this biased j 13 f 14 position pertain to the operation of Seabrook at any level j 15 of power because of fueled and tested nuclear plant is a i
l_ 16 contaminated plant, with poisons that must be isolated from 17 all life by a technology that only poorly does its job.
I 18 And I can cite Vermont Yankee , releasing eighty-
{- 19 three thousand gallons I think it was of contaminated water 20 into the Connecticut River in the 1970's, and the Pilgrim 21 1 Nuclear Plant, which has been recognized by the NRC as 22 one of the poorest operating plants in the country safety-
. 23 wise.
) 24 Starting us this nuclear plant irreversibly i Ameens noorwes. w. !
l- 25 admits this region into the growing number of areas required y-.c -,-rm,,-,.m_,..m., ,,e m_..,,m-. e ., ,....._4_.-----,-.-,.--,-,m,,_,,,.,,,_.,_.,__,~..-, , - , ..... - e _. .c
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qi 2 disposal, which the people of this region have already 3 proclaimed their opposition to, that is in the form now 4 being proposed.
5 And it makes Seabrook-itself a potential dumping 6 ground for the radioactive waste of all New England.
7 My contention in opposition to the operation in 8 Seabrook are fundamentally health-related. The safety of 9 a pressurized water reactor during even low power operation 10 cannot be assured.
II Statements by the U. S. Nuclear Industry that, 12 'Chernobyl can't happen here,' are arrogent in the face
] 13 of recent revelations. Regarding the Challenger disaster 14 and its link to the nuclear industry, the actual seven 15 hundred percent increase in cancer deaths, near the Three 16 Mile Island reactor, which is being obscured behind, 17 ' official reports,' to the contrary, the increasingly 18 irresistable circumstantial evidence of acquired health 19 tragedy near many normally operating nuclear facilities 20 around the country and around the world, and I can cite some 21 studies done by Dr. Swanson up in Maine, of a fif ty percent 22 increase in Lukemia near Maine Yankee, that was cooberated 23 by the Federal Governments CDC, Center for Disease Control, I) 24 Aos Federd Reporters, Inc.
the Rosalle Pertell study regarding Wisconsin increases in 25 death of low birth rate infants, Dr. Drake, in Michigan
5-20-gjw 80 I citing increases in Leukemia in areas close to nuclear 2 facilities in Michigan, and studies relative to the a
3 waste processing plant in England.
4 And last, I would like to point to the arrogence 5 of our historical confidence in technologyfover nature that 6 has re-emerged this year for us in our- review of the Titanic 7 disaster, which recalls for us a ship that couldn't sink.
! 8 Reasonable assurances have no place in our or i
your reckoning.
9 10 We, the people, see through to these truths. We l
11 are here to prevent yet another crime for which we all must l
12 pay, and we ask you not to be complacent in this crime.
13 (Applause.)
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f' 81 JUDGE WOLFE P. A. Trisha.
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MS. TRISHA: Good afternoon.
5 My name is P. A. Trisha, and I live in 6
Manchester, New Hampshire.
JUDGE WOLFE: That is T-r-i-s-h-a?
8 MS. TRISHA: Correct.
9 I am a member of the Clam Shell Alliance. For 10 ten years now we have been speaking out and actively 11 opposing the Seabrook Nuclear Plant. We have put our 12 bodies and our very lives on the line in opposition to
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(_) 14 this menace and threat to our life and liberty, that Public Service Company, New Hampshire Yankee, and New 15 Hampshire Governor John Sununu refer to as a power plant.
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in light of the two accidents, on at Three Mile Island j 19 in 1979 and the other at Chernobyl earlier this year.
lg 20 g It is grossly irresponsible of the nuclear.
$ 21 l industry to even be considering shrinking the 10-mile 22 evacuation zone to two.
23 While the men in D.C. debate numbers, our 24
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I we are trying in vain to evacuate the seacoast area?
q 2 In their quest to shove this~Chernobyl by the 3 . sea by our. throats the'emphamis trio of.Public Service 4 Company, New-Hampshire Yankee and' Governor John Sununu 5 blantantly ignores home rule an'd is attempting to exclude
- 6. from this emergency planning process six Massachusetts-7 communities because Governor Michael'Dukakis refuses 8 to be another' lap dog of the nuclear industry.
d 9 Governor'Dukakis knows that the evacuation 10 Pl ans he has refused to submit are unworkable.. We know ti _that'the plans and the nuclear project are a sham.
12 As our struggle goes on, the Boards continue g gr 13 to tinker and we continue to pay with our lives.. We know T
'~ - that the future of our earth, our mother and the sustainer 14 15 of all life is at stake. If she dies we will. surely die.
16 We are that intimately connected.
s 17 But the madness continues. The U. S. Government th.
18 is spending millions of dollars to relocate Native Americans
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d 21 f the uranium process have piled up in the southwest and ir 22 have been used as foundations for houses and other 23 structures.-
24 Mine workers exposed to radioactivity continue i ( 25 to die prematurely from lung cancer. Tens of thousands 1
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4 The DOE has been testing. Canadian granite 5 similar to our granite here in Northern New England in its 6 attempt to rape the earth once again'and to. bury in her 7, nuclear waste, waste deadly for hundreds of thousands 8 of years, g Does the madness ever end? And today Public to Service Company is asking you, gentlemen, the Atomic 3; Safety and Licensing Board, to approve a low-power test 12 license for this power plant.
13 Today we are here once again to say no to the
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34 Seabrook Nuclear Plant. The people have called for these 15 hearings to be opened up for public comment and testimony 16 and they have.
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d' commitment for the long haul, and today we reaffirmed that
. 21 3-I commitment. We will do whatever it may take always in the 22 spirit of love and non-violence to resist and to see that Seabrook Station nev er opens and operates.
() Thank you.
i 84 Sim 6-4 1 (Applause.)
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2 JUDGE.WOLFE: Thank-you, Ms. Trisha, and
\. l 3 you are from Manchester. Ms. Trisha is from Manchester,
5 Catherine Rhoda.
6 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 7 OF 8 CATHERNINE RHODA 9 MS. RHODA: I would like to start out, if I to may, gentlemen, by coming up to shake hands with you to it acknowledge our common humanity, if I may.
12 (Ms. Rhoda shook hands with all three Judges.)
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14 I am not about to speak about the technical 15 questions of the problems of nuclear power because these 16 issues have been very well documented by others and are s
h 17 a matter of public record.
e 5 18 But what I would like to do is to challenge 3
j 19 each of you NRC Board Members as responsible individuals a
j 20 to seriously re-examine your personal complicity in the a
d continued production of nuclear power.
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- For despite your expert credentials, your 22 23 rules that attempt to redefine reality for the convenience 24 f the nuclear industry and the regulations that you hide k' 25 behind, you know that you are not separate frmo our human
J 85-Sim'6-5 2 1 family-and not exempt from.the responsibilty of' stewardship _
,A 2 of'this earth'our home. I urge you act upon that sense
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6 I would like to' leave _you with a song written 7 by English song writer, Leon Rosselson, and I hope it will 8 challenge your hearts.
9 (Ms. Rhoda. sang the song as follows while
-10 playing a guitar.)
11 "The rules _of the game are simply, and all you 12 have got to do is split yourself down the middle so no one 13 Will P i n anything on you.
g - " Wait for the wound to harden, seal with an 15 earthproof skin. The rules of the game are simply, and you 16 are r ady_to begin.
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18 has to play. The lips will soon work perfect and the eyes i
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g one wears a mask and smiles when the cue is given and learns I the right questions to ask.
g "So while one of you loves and is loving, the other one climbs alone and sells to the highest bidder and Poisons his way to the throne.
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4 "For the,one whose> face is gentle is the one
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5 who. carries a gun who kills in the light of' duty and does 6 what has to be done. He is the.one who is always sober 7 and sleeps through'the other's dreams, who stuffs his 8 ears with music so he can't hear the screams, who weeps 9 when the innocent suffer'and only tortures for hire,'ho w 10 turns his face from the horrer'when'he'is given the orders:
11 to fire.
12 "I.tell you the rules are simply and no one will 13 pin anything on-you if you split yourself down the middle L
14 and do what you have got to do."
15 (Applause.)
16 I am very sorry I have to use such harsh terms, s,
17 but I feel it needs to be said.
18 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you. 'You are from Hiram, j Ig Maine?
If ia 20 MS. RHODA: Yes.-
f' 21 JUDGE WOLFE: Mark LaPlume.
- IE 22 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 23 OF 24 MARK LaPLUME 25 MR. LaPLUME: I am from Portsmith.
87 Sim _6--7 1 JUDGE WOLFE: Your last name is spelled 2 L-a-p-1-u-m-e.
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MR. LaPLUME: That's right.
4 Officer Familiarity isn't'here; is that correct?.
5 JUDGE WOLFE: Gd' ahead.
6 MR. LaPLUME: Okay. You guys can do'your 7 thing.
8 I first got involved with ,the nuclear question g through the Department of Energy's dump that they wanted 10 to put in New England. Just about six months ago they 33 were planning on doing that, and through that I learned 12 a lot about their supportive institutions, mining, processing 13 fissioning and waste disposal, all of which leave waste. .
.0 34 We have a trail of waste which doesn't go 15 away which you guys say is okay. You describe it with 16 your specialized information and so forth so that you say j j7 it is okay.
e 18 I see all this happening and what comes to my h
c j 19 mind is a vision of a drowning man, and America is being a
la 20 the drowning man, and has he is drowning he is clutching, d he is cluding for more things to hold on to, to take with 21 i:
22 him.
23 I can see the police force as being one of 24 those clutching hands, and condominiums as being another 25 lutching hand, and nuclear power, it is just you are in
88 Sim 6-8 1 frenzy; a fearful frenzy and you are trying to take us
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3 And this here, it ls a polished fingernail. This 4 meeting is a polished fingernail, and.you are saying, oh, 5 look, we are beautiful and we are high class and we are 6 the ruling people and we don't have to answer to anyone 7 because we are so beautiful.
8 I mean your hands are scared. They are 9 scared with Sky Lab falling. Remember Sky Lab? Oh, I to forgot about that one, right? I mean just today in the 11 Portsmith Herald a 60-pound ppackage of Radium 192 fell 12 off a truck in Boston. It was destined for Korea for 13 industrial X-rays.
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14 I mean it is a clutching hand. One of the n3 companies I was with back with the DOE that was helping 16 to represent them in their process of dumping their waste 3
k 17 was Bechtelle, and Bechtelle has been in the process of a
- ni trying to sell something like 40 nuclear power plants to j ny South Korea.
20 Y u kn w, and yet you are wondering how is d this connected and get to the point. Well, the point is 21 i:
22 that this whole thing is bull shit, and what for.
23 I mean I can't figuro you guys out. I don't 24 understand. My dad's does the same thing. He is rowing
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89 81" I rocks. Meanwhile there is a catastrophe down the river, 2
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6 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you, Mr. LaPlume. Mr. LaPlume 7
is from Portsmouth,,New Hampshire.-
8 (Applause.)
8 Paula Willis.
10 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 11 OF 12 PAULA WILLIS 13 MS. WILLIS: My name is Paula Willis, V
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15 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you. And you are from 16 Seabrook?
17 MS. WILLIS: I am from Seabrook. I grew up l
18 in Seabrook. I now own a home there. My grandfather and ll 18 grandmother built in Seabrook where my three children live i
20 with me.
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us that lose our properties if we are lucky enough to get 4
out. With the price of homes, that is not very many 5
homes covered.
6 IUdo have insurance:to bury my childern. The 7
company will give me a thousand dollars to bury my children.
8 I have a grandmother in a nursing home without Altzheimers.
9 She is getting worse. Every week that goes by she is getting 10 to the point where she won't get out of bed, and nobody 11 will take her out in case of an accident.
12 Now I have lived in Seabrook now. I am 34 years 13 old.
gS I left for a few years and I came back.' In the last e s V
14 several years I do business over by the plant. My bank 15 is over there and my grocery store was there until a year 16 or two ago.
- 17 I have been at South Seas when the crowd comes 2
18 in for lunch break and fills the lounge up and goes back 2 10 to work to build that plant. I have had brothers work at J
[ 20 that plant and I have watched concrete trucks in pouring d
. 21 rain to pour the concrete that they say is so good in the i*
22 pouring rain.
23 I have sat in front of Bank Meridian watching 24 the State of New Ilampshire's liquor store selling bottles s_- 25 of booze to workers who are going back to work at the plant.
91 Sim 6-11 I am concerned. Nobody can give me back my 2
[] w; children, and I don't believe when Mr. Kite makes his 3
statements that the power plant over there was well constructed. He wasn't there when the construction first 5
began.
6 (Applause.)
7 I've been there. Mr.. Kite is sitting in his 8
ivory tower with rose-colored glasses, and I am down there 9
where reality is, and I want'to see that plant not go on 10 line.
11 Thank you.
12 (Applause.)
13 fN JUDGE WOLFE: Mimi Fallon from Hampton Beach v) 14 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 15 OF 16 g MIMI: FALLON
= 17 i MS. FALLON: F-a-l-1-o-n, like in Dynasty.
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j 19 a Nobody every understood my name before that 2 20 a
crazy soap opera came on and now everybody can understand J"
21 i the name Fallon.
I 22 I would like to explain, sir, that I live --
that I am a resident of Hampton Beach, but I live on the Seabrook side of the river. I don't know if you are familiar 7 -)
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92 Sim 6-12 -1 of our town by the river.
je's 2 In fact, one-year the cable was out, the g i v- ~
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4 We have this feeling of; isolation, and as I
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5 sit.here today I still have a, feeling of isolation'because 6 we live in an area ~ that is jokingly called Sun Valley. It j 7 is kind of a social organization. . We are between the plant.
8 and the ocean.7 . We kind-of3think of ourselves as between .i
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to one-lane roads. leading toward the plant that is having an ji accident, or to the ocean.
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j4 a member of SAPL, but at the time that they were discussing 15 building this plant, and we all realized that it was probnbly 16 the worst sited plant in the United States, they kept saying 17 don't worry about it. It is off in the future, the l 18 evacuation.
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3 IE 22 Well, at the time I thought it was rather crazy, l
23 but now we have that plant built and they say it is complete. ]
24 And we still haven't really addressed the evacuation plans.
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93 Sim 6-13' 1 barbeque. I happen'to be a registered Republican. From
- fm . 2 Year One I have been a conservative Republican, and I had 3 the opportunity to address a few questions to our Governor.
4 I spent considerably time in Pennsylvania because 5 I used to have a winter home there and I would summer down 6 .at Seabrook Beach. 'And'I was there for Three Mile Island, 7 and I am well aware of the wonderful roads leading around 8 Three Mile Island. There are all sorts of super-highways.
g So=I said-to Governor Sununu,. excuse me, sir, 10 but I can't understand this evacuation plan. I am concerned 33 about getting out-of Seabrook Beach. And he said to me, 12 I didn't happen to realize that we do happen to have it on 13 audio tape. He said you get in there in an hour and a half V and you get out of there in a hour and a half.
34 15 And I said, excuse me! 'And he said, I said 16 you get in there in an hour and a half and you get out. And I said, Governor, we happen to have video tapes, and I have
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g 39 years, and I have proof, Governor, that'on one certain 20 Sunday there was a six-hour traffic jam where the day-trippers d w rn t ff Hampton Beach.
21 ir It was bumper to bumper, there were cars breaking 22 d wn ev rywhere. In fact, the next day we went and 23 discussed it with an operator of a gas station about how 24 many ars had broken down.
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(~N., -2 the beach, and we are talking about a 10-mile radius.
%J 3 They also in those days told us oh, don't worry, 4 but I know there are not too many cars parked at the 5 different houses. They said, oh, there are only one or 6 two cars.
7 So we went up and down all the streets over 8 there with a video camera and we-video taped on a Tuesday 9 afternoon. ,You couldn't believe how many cars were at-to each house.' And then we did it'on a Neekend, and th~re e 11 were about 15. They have never taken these cars into account. '-
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t 17- They used to say there were 150,000 people on 18 the beach on a Sunday.
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d 21 MS. FALLON: 150,000, and now they are telling i
.r 22 us 36,000. I have the video tapes. The Governor said he 23 didn't want to see the pictures and he didn't want to 24 see the proof.
25 But you are kind of our last hope. An Assistant l
95 Sim 6-15 1 Attorney General is sitting back here, and he has never f"'y 2 even questioned the plans, and he represents the people i
3 of the State.
4 (Applause.)
5 Our Governor has never questioned the plans, 6 and it just seems to me that somebody has got to question 7 these plans. It is impossible, sir. We can't go out of 8 our house on the weekends.
9 You cannot possibly evacuate that beach in u) the time prescribed or in any time prescribed. And I 11 hope that you will consider the things that I have mentioned 12 today. They are only a few of the things that I would 13 like to mention, but at least I have gotten a chance.
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16 JUDGE WOLFE: Harry Leno.
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Thank you, Honorable Board, and thank you for 23 the floor time. I would like to must make a very brief
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3 I do hope, Honorable Board, the Public Service 4; Company,.the Nuclear Regulatory Commission members and l 5 also-the service community members here, hear the heart 6 ~ beat of-the people in this room, and when you pack up your-7 brief cases, Honorable Board, and the NRC packs their 8 brief cases and you all head back to your destinations in 9 Maryland and Washington, that you will listen to the heart 10 beats, record the heart. beat that^is in this_ room and out 11 in the streets, and the power is here in the. room to the
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13 Thank you, Your Honors.
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15 JUDGE WOLFE: Joan Bigler.
16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 17 OF 18 JOAN BIGLER j ig MS. BIGLER: Thank you.
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22 23 About four years ago I moved away from the nuke.
24 I am a health professional who has seen 25 radiation work to cure people. The people we thought
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1 cy 2 In my hospital we used radiation for acne, and Q ,)
3 I took people to the X-ray to X-ray their faces for 4 acne. Thirty years later we are now looking for those 5 folks. They have cancer of the thyroid.
6 Perhaps maybe you remember in the 50's when 7 you went to buy a pair of shoes that they had a nice 8 little machine that you could put your foot in it. It g was called a -- I am not sure, a fluoroscope or something to like that.
33 And millions of children and people throughout 12 the United States put their shoes were going to last them 13 for a while., Those were highly radioactive I guess as you
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16 In 1980 I became the Civil Defense Director j j7 for the Town of Kensington, which is two and a half 18 miles from the nuclear power plant. I was appalled to go s
39 to one of my first meetings and have the Director of 3
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d hand out these tiny little plans and say could you look 21 l ir these over and sign them and bring them back next week.
22 l And do you know what, we might not have been 23 here today because they almost did that, except for 24 i
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with any kind of a plan. And it really didn't matter 5
anyway. It was and is a sham. I mean you guys know as much as I do about it, and you know -- I don't know what y u tell your families you do for a living, but you know 8
g how some of these things are working and are supposed to work.
10 People are not hoodwinked. We are not stupid any more. As far as Public Service Company, they always wanted a one-mile evacuation circle around the plant. They
( _s' just wanted just the area that they -- they didn't even want Hampton or Seabrook Beach.
15 So all I see is that coming around full circle 16
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j 19 y (Chorus of Noes from the audience.)
j 20 g If I could, if I have the rest of my time, I l 21 l wondered if I could give it to the person who succeeded me 22 and who is now the Civil Deefense Director in my town, 23 Sandra Mitchell.
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25 JUDGE WOLFE: Have you finished?
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: You have a minute and a half left.
4 MS. MITCilELL: Will you stop the clock until 5
I get to the microphone.
6 MS. FALLON: Those are really fast clocks.
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OF 10 SANDRA MITCIIELL 11 MS. MITCHELL: It is good to see David 12 Bisbee and Mr. Dignan.
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15 As Joan stated, back a long time ago we didn't 16 sign the plans, and at this state we still haven't and 17 we don't intend to ever sign the evacuation plans for the g
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23 We were served of course the plans for the 24 service list from Ropes and Gray which is understandable.
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5 Enough'for'that. I have an onsite problem that l e I hope you will address. It has to do with the operations T 7 center.
8 I had been on an NRC tour on June 26th and 27th 9 and had noted that there was no telephone system being to used in the simulator room that was identical -- which l t i 11 should be identical to the phone system being used in 12 the exact control room.
-13 I asked when that phone system was going to O 14 be installed in the simulator so the operators would be 15 trained to alert the public, and my answer is we are working 16 on it.
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STEVE COMLEY' 8 My last name is spelled MR. COMLEY:. Yes.
8 C o-m-1-e-y, and I live at Archard Drive, Rowley',
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15 I am not going to'tEll you, you know, go 16 through a-lot of rigamarole and tell you how I feel. I j' 17 will just tell you'that I am mad. \
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4 they are in a. sheltered position, the way I understand 5 it is there is no evacuation plan for them, and in this 6
country that is discrimination.
7 I don't think as it pertains to any industry-8 that if'they cannot provide an evacuation plan for every-g_ body, then we should not have that industry.
10 (Applause.)
As'far as the people of Rowley are concerned, 12 I really believe that-they should have some say in the 13 evacuation planning where are children are separated if O 14 we do have a disaster.
The way I understand it right now is that 15 we have to look for them in a shopping center in Peabody 16 g about 10 miles away. .
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6 Now that is now coming from me. That is coming 7 from NRC officials, and that is not Jim. That is others.
8 I asked Jim, do you feel that the people of g Rowley should have a voice in the evacuation planning 10 as it pertains to the Seabrook Power Plant. He couldn't ij specifically come out, but he did say the Commission's 12 regulations are flexible and they allow expansion of
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9 JUDGE WOLFE: You have about 15 seconds left.
10 MR. CONLEY: Will, I'll be'back at 7 o' clock 11 then.
12 I have some recommendations -- well, let's stick 13 to the statements from the NRC personnel.
14 JUDGE WOLFE: Your five-minutes are up. That 15 you are taking longer now means that somebody later on
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18 MR. CONLEY: Thank you.
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- 20 are going to give me their time, because I think it is d Y"EY - important, sir, and I am trying to limit it to just 21 ir 22 the NRC staff, and-I don't know why you think this is 23 unny.
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105 1-SueW l JUDGE WOLFE: Mr. Comley, I don't know who in the 2 back there said that they concede to you their time.
3 MR. COMLEY: Okay. Who was giving their time?
1 4 FROM THE FLOOR: I will four minutes.
5 MR. COMLEY: You will have to say your name.
6 MS. DOUGLAS: Sandra Douglas of Gloucester.
7 MR. KITE: John Kite of Hampden gives his five 4
8 minutes.
9 JUDGE WOLFE: Did both of you sign the list?
10 Ms. Douglas?
11 MS. DOUGLAS: Yes, I did.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: Was that for today?
13 MS. DOUGLAS: Yes.
14 (Disturbance from the audience.)
15 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. Go ahead.
16 FROM THE FLOOR: This is a meaningless exercise.
17 You have more than a hundred requests in your office which 18 you have denied. Let one of those hundred that you have denied ,
19 by letter, say --
r l 20 JUDGE WOLFE: You are taking up our time now.
21 Please be seated.
22 Go ahead, Mr. Comley.
23 MR. COMLEY: Should I continue?
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25 JUDGE WOLFE: Go right ahead. They can make
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2 FROM THE FLOOR: When?
3 JUDGE WOLFE: Any time.
4 FROM THE FLOOR: I will make one right now.
5 JUDGE WOLFE: Any time, they can make written 6 limited appearance statements.
7 FROM THE FLOOR: You must know that.we are not 8 going to accept the decision on your part to put Seabrook into 9 action. You try it, and then you will see what you get.
10 (Applause.)
11 MR. COMLEY: Is the five minutes starting now?
12 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
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14 Do you feel that the public would be justified in believing 15 that the NRC is not acting in the public's best interest?
16 Answer: As I note in my response to Question 6, 17 I believe there are some significant Commission decisions 18 in recent years in which the Commission has acted more as 19 the protector of the industry than the protector of the 20 public.
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3 Now, he is talking about the people at the top.
4 Evidently, he's not getting the direction. And, I'm not 5 saying that -- you know, a lot of you people -- I hope he's 6 talking about you people. I presume he is. But, he's also --
7 I've also talked to other people, not Jim, and it's verified 8
that there is people in there that are working for the 9
industry. And I'm not talking out of my hat, all right.
10 This is going to come up. I've asked for a hear-11 ing from Senator Symms, Simpson, Laxault's office, Markey's 12 ffice, and Udall's office, too. And, they have told me this, 13 because a lot of them have been working for a long, long time, 14 you know, trying to get the safety information and whatnot 15 out. And, they told me that it has been suppressed. All 16 right. For one reason.
j7 The mission is to get these plants contaminated 18 at five percent. And, once they are contaminated at five 19 percent, the ball game is over, because then we arrange for 20 a brown-out in the area. In New York, sure, Asselstine 21 voted against Shoreham getting their five percent license.
22 They got it, didn't they. Four to one, they got it.
23 And, he voted against it for one specific reason.
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before a low level license is granted to any'new plant?
9 And he says his decision on Shoreham, because he 10 v ted against it, was: But, in my decision on Shoreham 11 turned on the wisdom of contaminating a plant that might not 12 never receive a full power operating license and not on the 13 risks to the public of low power operation. ~
14 In my opinion, he answered Seabrook when he 15 answered that, all right. Because I've been told by NRC 16 Staff members that Seabrook is in the wrong location, and 17 they think so. All right.
18 (AFplause.)
19 MR. COMLEY: All right. It's your Staff that is 20 telling me. And, you may think that I'm blowing out of a 21 hat but you are going to find out.
22 And, all I can say to all of you is, start 23 jumping on the cart and representing your kids and represent-24 ing your families.
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109 SueW I MR. COMLEY: And, I tell you, when you go home 2 to your table and look across, look at your kids, look at 3 your grandmother and grandfather. They say this is an 4 emotional issue. They are damn right it's an emotional 5 issue.
6 JUDGE WOLFE: Your time is up.
7 MR. COMLEY: I get another five minutes.
8 That's what they said.
9 (Disruption from the audience.)
10 FROM THE FLOOR: Others want to speak.
11 MR. COMLEY: I get five more minutes. I've got 12 some recommendations. That's all, and I will be done.
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13 JUDGE WOLFE: You can furnish that in a written 14 statement.if you wish to do so. We have other people that 15 we want to hear from, and you are monopolizing the time, 16 Mr. Comley . And that apparently is democratic?
I'7 (Disruption from the audience.)
18 MR. COMLEY: All right. Can I submit this?
19 Can I submit thic as evidence?
20 JUDGE WOLFE: You can hand it up, and it will be 21 lodged with the docket in Washington, D. C. as a limited 22 appearance statement.
23 MR. COMLEY: I do think that the case on the man
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25 of '85 should be reopened, okay? Because the safety of the
110 I American was plea-bargained, plea-bargained, sir. And, it 0\~),.6-S ueW 2 should be opened up again. And, it will be.
3 (Applause.)
4 MR. COMLEY: This is the indictment against the 5 person. I've only got one copy right now. I will get you 6 a copy before I leave. And, this is kind of a little background 7 information. And, Ehere is evidence in there, too.
8 And, this is Mr. Asselstine's questions and 9 answers. I would like those to be reviewed.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: Wes Crocheron.
11 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 12 OF G
V 13 WES CROCHERON I4 MR. CROCHERON: My name is Wes Crocheron.
15 JUDGE WOLFE: Spell it, please..
16 MR. CROCHERON: C-r-o-c-h-e-r-o-n. I live in 17 l the Town of Pamworth on Route 16. And my mailing address 18 is in Chocorua, New Hampshire, up in the white -- beautiful 19 white mountain area.
20 I am here to represent -- unofficially to Il represent -- many, many people in the county in which I 22 live, in which are definitely opposed to any nuclear dumps 23 and opposed to Seabrook, which there will be coming many, 4
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25 I became involved in this when I heard our Governor, 4
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. 3 . And, I've-had many people tell me the same thing in high 4 places.
5 I'm here to see that Seabrook does not go on-l 6 line. We've had 40 years of how to contain our nuclear 7 ' energy, and we need 40 years of a moratorium to find out if 8 we really know how.
9 (Applause.)
10 MR. CROCHERON: We don't need any more plants II on the line. What we need is to take all the rest of the
, 12 plants off the-line.
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14 MR. CROCHERON: They say that it's 99.9 percent 15 safe. That's not good enough. One hundred percent might 16 be good enough, but it's not possible. One-tenth of one 17 percent radiation escaping from wherever it comes from, 18 which will be from where it's mined right on through 19 transportation to the nuc plants to where it's going to be 4
20 disposed of, that one-tenth of one percent that escapes is 21 going to kill forever.
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4 MR. CROCHERON: I'm sure that everybody here 5 knows our U. S. Representative, Bob Smith, who I have talked 6 to many times. He will say -- and, he is a pro-nucer. He f 7 will say that Seabrook should not have been built where it'
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10 gave up in our area, that he believes in a 10'to:12-mile Il limit.
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13 don't.often tell people, because it causes problems. But, 14 this is to establish my credibility on evacuation. I told 15 these people out here today what I used to do. I spent 25 16 years on the California Highway Patrol.- I was involved in 17 the-evacuation procedures in the State of California when t
18 your good boss, Ron Reagan, was-our Governor,'which I have 19 personally driven him around. And, I may have to go see him j 20 before this is over.
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23 MR. CROCHERON: One minute. I'm just about
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2 3 I'm just about through. One question I would like 4 to know is how is our testimony being considered, our verbal 5 testimony?
6 JUDGE WOLFE: I advised you of that this morning.
7 MR. CROCHERON: I beg your pardon?
8 JUDGE WOLFE: I advised you of that this morning.
9 MR. CROCHERON: I couldn't hear you, sir.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: I think rather than take up the ij time, you may ask one of the attorneys for the Staff.
12 MR. CROCHERON: I thank you very much.
13 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes, sir.
14 (Disruption from the audience.)
15 FROM THE FLOOR: Why don't you answer him?
16 JUDGE WOLFE: I'm going to answer this one more j7 time, and that's it. Limited appearance statements are not 18 evidence. They are not taken as evidence. The Board does 19 not weigh the comments in the determination and looking at 20 the evidence of this case.
21 We look at the evidence that is presented by the 22 Parties' witnesses, who are under oath. Your comments, as I 23 say, are not sworn --
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3 JUDGE WOLFE: If I'm interrupted again, I won't 4 proceed to try to answer.
5 FROM THE FLOOR: You are. You are in New 6 Hampshire.
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8 Allison Childs. The next limited appearance person, 9 rather.
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11 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 12 OF G 13 ALLISON CHILDS 1-4 MS. CHILDS: My name is Allie Childs. This is my 15 daughter, Sadie. We live in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
16 I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and 17 nothing but the truth.
18 (Applause.)
19 MS. CHILDS: We are here today to tell you that 20 this plant must never go on line. We have put -- both of 21 us have put our bodies in front of production of the plant 22 more than once. We have been arrested and taken to jail.
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entire world. I am here to tell you that nuclear power is 25 an unacceptable risk for all the people in the world, for my
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3 Sadie cannot talk, so I have to talk for her. She 4 would like to grow up. She would like to grow up without 5 this threat that hangs over all of our heads.every single 6 minute that we breathe. It is a threat of destruction.
7 We feel tnat we have no control. That's why we 8 had to take -- that's why we implored you to hear our words 9 today. We want to be in control. We don't want nucs. We 10 don't want any nucs.
11 (Applause.)
12 MS. CHILDS: I don't -- I also am very tired of
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17 I implore you to please search inside of yourself 18 for the love that you have for all people in the world and 19 all children. Stop Seabrook now before it's too late.
20 (Applause.)
21 JUDGE WOLFE: We will have a ten-minute recess.
22 (Whereupon, the session is recessed at 2:55 p.m.,
23 to reconvene at 3:10 p.m., this same day.)
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3 We will now proceed to hear from Ingrid Sanborn.
4 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 5 OF 6 INGRID SANBORN 7 MS. SANBORN: My name is Ingrid Sanborn, S-a-n-b-o-r- n.
8 I'm a resident of West Newbury, Massachusetts. I am a member 9 of the Citizens Within the 10-Mile Radius and head of the 10 Education Committee for that group.
11 I thank you for your willingness to hear the 12 people, and I hope that this is a step positive for us in t ,
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15 In April of this year, our Town of West Newbury 16 was dealing with this evacuation plan, and I began attending 17 meetings. At one point, the consultants that were being 18 used in this process, the KALB Associates, came to speak with 19 us. And, in this particular hearing, Mr. Leiberman, who I 20 questioned, talked about the process and the time frame and j 21 about the possib.lity under severe weather conditions of 22 evacuating West Newbury.
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2 In all of life we have to play the odds.
3 In other words, it would be impossible'to 4 evacuate West Newbury and the entire zone in any kind of 5 adverse weather conditions. On that basis, I began to become 6 involved and get informed on this issue.
7 What I would like to ask you people today is that 8 you not grant a low power license, that you hear the concerns 9 of the people in this matter. I'm sure you are all aware 10 of the reasoning for not running at low power, five percent, 11 one of them being many of the radionuclides reach their full 12 power in only a few months, operators would be working with en new equipment, unfamiliar with the process, and all of these
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15 We are asking you to reconsider all this. We i 16 are asking you to turn around, and we are asking Public l 17 Service in particular to get down from their arrogant position, 18 to talk with us, Massachusetts' Governor Dukakis, who is 19 willing to work on conversion, something that ought to be 20 acceptable to all of the people concerned in this area, a t
21 viable option that nobody is taking seriously.
22 They are bent on an arrogant course, unwilling to 23 listen to the voice of the people, which is the reason we
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2 I would like to call on this group and the NRC to 3 have an independent study of the construction of the Seabrook 4 Nuclear Power Plant.
5 (Applause.)
6 MS. SANBORN: You can do no less for the safety 7 of the people than this.
8 I would also like to briefly mention two new 9 proposed rule changes that the NRC has coming up. OneLis on 10 their proposed changes in radiation standards. Those changes 11 would increase radiation allowable to the public, in some 12 cases 10 times greater than what is allowable now. They
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15 These are some of the reasons that the people 16 lose any trust they have of this Commission. So, I urge 17 them to begin to listen to the people and take a new stand 18 on this whole matter, and all of you begin to think about 19 the idea of conversion.
20 Thank you.
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2 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 3 OF 4 JOYCE ZAFRIS 5 MS. ZAFRIS: My name is Joyce Zafris, that's 6 Z, as in zebra, a-f-r-i-s, from Newburyport, Massassachusetts. ,
7 And, I'm speaking both as a parent and as a member of the 8 teaching profession.
- 9 If nuclear plants in the United States were as 10 safe as the nuclear industry proclaims, the industry would 11 not need to limit its liability. By so doing, the industry 12 is admitting plants are not safe.
13 Seabrook claims it is safer than most because of 14 its concrete containment shell. Yet, a few weeks ago a 15 Plane crashed on Route I-95 not far from the Seabrook plant.
16 If a plane crashed on seabrook's containment shell, would 17 the concrete hold? Particularly since that concrete is 1
18 alleged to contain air pockets created by beer cans being 19 thrown into the mix, and to have cracks caused by pouring at 20 low temperatures that have been superficially patched?
i 21 Further, the safety systems at Seabrook, like 22 those at Chernobyl, are dependent on human vigilence and 23 emergency power sources. No difference in design compensates i
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5 As a teacher at.Newburyport High School, when a 6 directive was received.last year that in the event of an 7 emergency all students and teachers would board buses and 8 head for Peabody, which is not far enough away anyway, I 9 know from conversations with other teachers and with students 10 that even if'uncontracted~for bus drivers were brave enough Il to drive'towards radiation to rescue us, no students nor 12 teachers would abandon their families to board those buses.
O 13 The Student Council took a survey of the students.
14 They so responded. Many members of the faculty have young 15 children in nursery schools, elementary schools. Do you 16 reall think they are going to get on a bus and not go to 17 their own children?
18 No emergency response plan is valid unless the 19 owners of the plant have' signed contracts with all individuals 20 therein indicated, teachers, nurses, doctors, and most 21 importantly, bus drivers.
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2 JUDGE WOLFE: Mr. Cyshing.
3 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 4 OF S ROBERT REYNOLDS CYSHING, JR.
6 MR. CYSHING: My name is Robert Reynolds Cyshing, 7 Jr., C-y-s-h-i-n-g. And, I live at 416 New Zealand Road in 8 Seabrook.
9 And, I want to thank the judges for granting me 10 and the other people here the right to speak. I also was 11 one of the people who was informed last week that I wouldn't 12 be allowed to speak so I didn't prepare a written testimony.
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17 I have talked with a number of individuals who 18 have worked out there. And there are seemingly horror 19 stories coming out that relate to the quality of the contain-20 ment, the quality of the piping, and the quality of inspections .
21 I am also, in particular, concerned that the 22 actions of this Board may lead to the granting of a low 23 power testing for Seabrook. And, yet the question of the
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122 SueW 3 that. I'm sure you all are aware of the accident -- the fire 2 that took place in the Perry Nuclear Plant in OF.o when that 3 was operating at low power. I think the system in Seabrook, 4 the filtration system from the containment, is a twin to that.
5 I was on a tour with the NRC and we noticed that 6 in that room, which I consider rather critical, that there 7 was no sprinkler system. I know it's only a minor thing, 8 having a sprinkler system. But I would like this Board to 9 give some thought to investigating that before you proceed.
10 I also am concerned on just the basic human level.
11 I think the history -- I've been attending these hearings 12 for 12 years that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and its D\l 13 predecessor, the AEC, have held -cn1 Seabrook. And from what 14 I've seen, it has been a systematic denial of due process to 15 the people who are opposed to Seabrook. And I think you have 16 the opportunity now to correct the errors of your predecessors 17 and to say that a number of mistakes have been made over the 18 past 18 years, that it was a mistake to proceed with the 19 construction of'that piant, it's a mistake to continue with 20 the construction, and an even graver mistake to permit the 21 plant to go on line.
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6 Waste Policy Act,' told the people of New Hampshire where the 7 waste would be. And that is,the projected half million cubic 8 feet of radioactive -- low level radioactive waste would become 9 the responsibility of the citizens of the State of New 10 Hampshire.
II I can assure you that it is neither the will of-12 the people, the wish of the people in New Hampshire to have O 13 Seabrook go on line and produce that waste, nor is it any 14 inclination for the people to accept that.
15 In dealing with due process, I would like to point 16 out that 10 years ago before a spade.of dirt was. turned at 17 Seabrook Station, the citizens of the Town of Seabrook, at a 18 town meeting, voted against having an atomic plant in their 19 town. It was --
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21 MR. CYSHING: Yeah. It was the decision of the 22 federal regulatory authorities at that time to ignore the 23 New England tradition of home rules, to ignore our very basic 24 tradition of home rule and to proceed with the plant.
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5 We are coming down to a choice between a nuclear 6 industry and democracy. And, I call on you as individuals 7 to say no to the nuclear industry, say no to the Seabrook 8 Nuclear Plant, and say yes to democracy and the people of 9 the New Hampshire seacoast.
10 Thank you.
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2 LIMITED APPERANCE STATEMENT 3 OF 4 SID MADORE 5 MR. MADORE : My name is Sid Madore, that is 6 M-a-d-o-r-e , and I live in Raymond, New Hampshire, about 7 twenty miles inland from Seabrook.
8 I am the father of three children, and I am here 9 today on behalf of my wife and children and friends who 10 aren't able to be here today, to let you folks know that 11 we are scared. We are scared of this nuclear power plant 12 that you are proposing to license in Seabrook, New Hampshire.
13 We don't want this plant. We don't want the risks 14 that come with it, nor do we want to be forced to live with 15 the waste that will be produced at this power plant if it 16 does go on line.
17 We don't want these wastes to end up in our food 18 chain, because they will be used to preserve our food. I am 19 told that is the latest idea of what we are going to do 20 with our nuclear waste.
21 I don't want them to go on to be used to produce 22 nuclear weapons. I think we have a problem today, we have 23 too many nuclear weapons. We don't need to produce any 1
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3 are working very hard to shut that plant down, although 4 it has already lived half of it's projected life span, and 5 I believe we may see than happen this coming -- next year, 6 excuse me, next November.
7 They are going to vote on that issue. You should 8 give that some thought.
9 Those people have lived with a threat of an 10 operating nuclear power plant in their backyards for ten 11 years or so now, and they have had enough.
12 They don't want to live with that threat any 13 longer, and I don't want to see myself in the same boat.
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15 be. The industry keeps telling me that what happened in 16 Chernobyl cannot happen in Seabrook. I am sorry, I cannot l'7 accept that. I do not believe that, I don't have the 18 facts to substantiate that statement.
19 I have not seen any facts to substantiate that 20 s tatement .
21 I have heard stories, some of them you have heard 22 here today, they are not too detailed, but you have heard 23 them, and I am sure it is not the first time you have heard I
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3 Their jobs are jeopardized, or they actually lost 4 their job because they spoke up, because they were concerned 5 that the safety and integrity of the plant was not being 6 followed as should in the construction process.
7 That concerns me, gentlemen, and ladies.
8 Then there is the whole question of evacuation.
9 I don't believe it when I am told that drivers will 'ima 10 recruited from Manchester and points afar to drive into 11 the accident area, the seacoast area, to bus people out.
12 I don't believe that you are going to find people, O 13 even if you contact these people, when the time actually 14 comes I would like to see proof that people would actually 15 hop behind the wheel and drive into an accident area to 16 help the poor victims out.
17 I think they are going to hop behind the wheel 18 and drive in the opposite direction.
19 And I find it totally inrresponsible of the 20 Public Service Company of New Hampshire to consider reducing 21 the evacuation limit area, the radius of the area. We all 22 know that ten railes is not enough, and now they are talking 23 about reducing that. That is totally irresponsible.
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4 God Bless you.
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6 JUDGE WOLFE Asimo Sandra Stollman?
l 7 LIMITED APPERANCE STAEMENT 8 OF 9 ASIMO SANDRA STOLLMAN 10 JUDGE WOLFE: Would you spell your name, please?
' 11 MS. STOLLMAN: Which name?
12 JUDGE WOLFE: All of them. A-s-i-m-o O 13 S-a-n-d-r-a S-t-o-1-1-m-a-n.
i 14 JUDGE WOLFE: And you are from Newburyport, 15 Massachusetts?
16 MS. STOLLMAN: Correct. I have never spoken at 17 a hearing like this before, so I am kind of nervous.
18 I was in a meeting near Newburyport a few months 19 ago. Secretary of the Department of Safety from the 20 State of Massachusetts was there, and he made some 21 opening remarks that stayed with me.
22 One in particular. He talked about how -- he 23 kind of tossed this into his speech. It was about a half
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8-5-gjw- 129 em I built at that site, but he said, now that it is there, and 2 I found myself stopped in my tracks mentally and emotionally, 3 because it said to me that what you are dealing with was 4 a fact once established, a mistake, that now that it has 5 been established, can be validated. Can be allowed to 6 continue, even though it is a mistake, need not be questioned ,
7 At that meeting, I wondered how can you do that?
8 How can a man of conscience and a man of integrity, say --
9 well, we made a mistake there, but now that it is done, let's 10 let it be the way it is and plan around it.
11 And I thought plan around it. Well, we are 12 planning around a mistake that has an extraordinary -- it 13 is a mistake of an extraordinary scale. It is not an 14 error in an accountant's balance sheet; it is about life 15 we are talking about.
16 And then money was mentioned very periphically 17 at this meeting, something around three or four billion 18 dollars, or millions, I get mixed up in zeroes, but a lot 19 of money was invested.
20 Just -- I just want to share with you a few 21 things that have come my way that have made me thing about 22 this whole thing. t 23 I talked to a friend of mine who is a field
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6 SlopP i ness, greed, exploitation, and theft. Human 7 error. Human fallibility.
8 The measurement in the containment vessel was 9 six inches off. I don't know what that means in terms of 10 plans. What is six inches when you are talking about 11 something on that scale, and then again, what is six inches 12 .when you are talking about the cost of one error? One i /~T k/ 13 malfunction?
14 Well, these horror stories got to me too, and I 15 started thinking about what the process is that we have 16 got going here, and I thought about a movie that I and most 17 People of my generation saw when we were kids, put out by 18 Disney, called, 'The Sorcerer's Apprentice,' in which Mickey 19 Mouse, who was the apprentice to the sorcerer, gets his 20 hands on the masters spell book, and gets powers that 21 he didn't know too much about to help him clean up the 22 sorcerer's lab; that is his job.
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6 They produced a lot of brooms and water, and 7 practically ruined the lab. Practically wreched it.
8 Just at the last moment, the sorcerer comes back 9 in and says the right words. Mickey, meanwhile, was 10 frantically thumbing through the spell book, and he doesn't 1
11 know what to do, because he is too young. He is just 12 an apprentice, and the sorcerer comes back and he says the O' 13 right words and everything is magically just cleaned up and 14 it is okay.
15 We don't have a sorcerer like that, and I think l 16 we have a sorcerer apprentice situation happening with 17 nuclear power. We are dealing with forces that we don' t 18 know enough about, and that we can't control once they get 19 into production and out of the hands of sensible people.
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21 MS. S TOLLMAN : There are people who we have heard 22 say: Chernobyl can't happen here. There are people who i
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3 I don't think humans are ready to take on something 4 as potentially devastating as nuclear power and make it work 5 without having it destroy them.
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8 JUDGE WOLFE: Harold Cleary?
9 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 10 OF 11 HAROLD CLEARY 12 MR. CLEARY: Harold Cleary, C-1-e-a-r-y. From 13 Portland. You opened today by making a statement saying 14 that we are not persuaded by anything other than the 15 merits of the evidence presented to us, and I challenge 16 you to stand behind that statement.
17 Prove to the people that his hearing isn't a 18 joke. Listen to the merit of the evidence being presented.
19 Review the reams of paperwork being presented to you by 20 the Nuclear industry, and see how many paragaphs and 21 subsections it takes them to say absolutely nothing.
22 All we are asking you to do, the Board, is to 23 recognize the truth, and acknowledge the facts .that are
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U' 2 Our job as rabble rousers will be over, because
-3 you will close these power plants yourself, without any 4 impetus from us whatsoever.
5 Because the whole nuclear industry is an abortion 6 of man's intelligence.
7 Radioactive elements cannot be isolated, nor can 8 they be contained. Every single nuclear power plant on 9 line is living testimony to this fact. Not one plant has 10 complied with the nuclear industry's own lax standards.
11 Don't believe me. Check this out. Check their 12 re cords .
13 Radioactive waste is deadly toxic. Send one of 4
14 your aides to the DOE's bookstore, and pick up a copy of, 15 ' Transuranic Elements in the Environment, ' and verify this 16 fact with the nuclear industry's own literature.
l 17 This waste cannot be contained, and it is deadly 18 toxic. These are documented f acts, i
19 We are asking you today to help end this nuclear 20 madness by denying Public Service Company an operating 21 license.
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i 3 We are sitting here asking you today to just 4 recognize what yo are doing, and don't wait for us to 5 organize and hunt you down and try you for crimes against 6 humanity .
7 Thank you.
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9 JUDGE WOLFE: Brenda Luczko?
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13 MS. LUCZKO: My name is Brenda Murray Luczo, 14 L-u-c-z-k-o, from Cantabury,New Hampshire. I bring with 15 me the voice of a hundred forty-one other residents of 16 Cantebury, New Hampshire . I think you have a copy of I-7 the signatures that was signed at the polls on our primary 18 day on September 9th, 19 These voices may not mean as much as they are 4
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U 2 I did some bit of work on here against the power 3 plant, but I was busy, I was involved with other things, as 4 a lot of other people are, and was not paying too much 5 attention.
6 What really has come to light is that this hearing 7 right here is where it is all -- this is the most critical 8 time.
9 We have all got our work. We have been here. We 10 have petitioned. We stood in front of the Seabrook gates, 11 and been arrested.
12 And yet the evacuation plan that is talked about, 13 there are no evacuation plans at Shoreham. My ex-husband and 14 son live one mile away from the Shoreham plant. My ex-15 husband is a teacher in a town one mile away from the 16 Shoreham plant.
17 Nobody has signed an emergency agreement statement.
18 No teacher. A friend of mine once said to me: When you 19 point your finger at someone, there are four fingers pointing 20 back at you. I can assure you I am not here to point any 21 fingers of guilt.
22 Because three weeks ago a friend of mine from 23 Long Island whose husband works in the reactor room at
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d 2 is living one mile away from that plant. And it never 3 occurred to me if I am standing in front of Seabrook being 4 arrested, it never occurred to me they are not open. They 5 have had no evacuation plan.
6 But they have a low level license.
7 That is why to me this is the most important' place 8 that I can be today. I am not in Shoreham, and .trying to 9 get my son away from a very dangerous situation as far as 10 I am concerned, but I am sitting here asking you please, 11 please listen and as I said, I am not pointing a finger, 12 because I, myself, was amiss.
13 I wasn' t listening to all the signals either. I 14 can only say I pray to God that something will go off 15 in your mind that will make the connection. Not out of 16 guilt.
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2 OF 3 SUSAN BRUCE 4 MS. BRUCE: Hi, my nane is Susan Bruce. B-r-u-c-e .
5 I live on Route 16, in North Conway, New Hampshire. Could 6 I approach you for a minute?
7 JUDGE WOLFE: Do you have something you want to 8 give us?
- 9 MS. BRUCE: Just want to show you shomething.
10 Nice looking child?
11 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
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J 13 that, that was a picture of my eleven year old daughter, 14 Jessica, who couldn't be here with me today. She is in 15 school.
16 But I am here for my daughter, and all of your 17 daughters, and our decendents to come, to just plead to 18 your conscience a little bit, and maybe you will listen 3
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20 I mean if there is this many of us, we can't all 21 be wrong.
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0 2 I mean, think about it. The stone age generation 3 -- if the stone age generation had generated nuclear waste, 4 we would still be dealing with the afteraffects of it.
5 That is kind of an awesome thought.
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7 I am a pretty busy person. I work at least-8 sixty hours a week up in North Conway. I manage a busy
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16 Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant. With my daughter twice, who 17 has learned a lot about this issue on her own, and she 18 believes as I do that we are in grave danger from this 19 threat.
20 So it is just -- I am not going to take up a lot 21 of your time. Just think. Please think and do some l
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7 I am not used to --
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10 MR. McCORMICK: It is M-c-C-o-r-m-i-c-k, and I am 11 from Newburyport, Massachusetts.
12 I am not used to public speaking. I work with O 13 my hands. I have worked with my hands for the last twenty 14 years in this area.
15 I am concerned about Seabrook for three reasons.
16 First of all, I am a parent. I have three children, and 17 I think that nuclear power is dangerous.
18 .I think that you gentlemen and I disagree about 19 that. So I will pass on that point.
20 ButLI want to address the other two points. I 21 have always worked in construction. I work hard every 22 day. I get paid well for what I do. I would like to say 23 that I know people who have worked at that plant, and I
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5 I want to be able to live here with my family 6 in safety. These concerns that I hav'e I feel are justified 7 and I question the safety of that proposed power plant, the 8 construction of that power plant.
9 I think it is a human thing that we tend to 10 cover up our mistakes. There is something about this 11 species that we don't like to get caught with our pants 12 down.
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20 I plead with you gentlemen to look at this issue 21 from your heart.
22 You may feel that nuclear power is safe. But it 23 is not safe at Seabrook. The plant is faulty. And there
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6 JUDGE WOLFE: Catherine DeMore?
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9 CATHERINE DeMORE 10 MS. DeMORE: Hello. My name is Catherine DeMore, 11 and I am seventeen.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: How do you spelli.that, please/
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13 14 JUDGE WOLFE: And you are from Portsmouth?
15 MS. DeMORE: Portsmouth, New Hampshire. 140 16 Woodlawn Circle.
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20 Can I live? Can any of us live if you put 21 Seabrook on line? Do you know that I am afraid to bear 22 children and many of my friends are. How can we do such 23 thing?
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8 Do you have children? Do you realize if Seabrook 9
9 88 ^ li"*' if you approve this license that you are 10 11 handing over your children's lives, my life, your own life, everybody's life to the merciless killer called 12 radiation, and you cannot escape radiation.
13 You can't even see radiation. But it will kill 14 y u. And you can ' t s top it. It is not humanly possible.
15 16 What is more important, human life or money?
What importance will money have if there are no 37 People. It won't have any importance at all. And I am 18 19 begging you, don't murder me and don't murder your child.
Don't give Seabrook a license. Please, please 20 don't.
21 And there is one other thing I would like to 22 say. Ig to school here , and the kids in my school, 23 24 including myself, can't even go to an assembly without it t Asofederal Reporters, Inc.
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%J 2 that there is a nuclear cloud coming towards us, very 3 calmly file out of the school, say goodby to our parents 4 and our friends and our homes, because we can't go back 5 there if there is radiation in our back yard, and all our 6 pets will be dead because they will be at home.
7 Theitrees will die. Everything will die. It is 8 just not worth it. It is really not worth it. I really 9 hope that you can find it somewhere in your heart, and I 10 know everyone has the capacity to realize that Seabrook --
11 it is not more important than human life.
12 Thank you.
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14 JUDGE WOLFE: Doug Richardson?
15 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 16 OF 17 DOUG RICHARDSON 18 MR. RICHARDSON : My name is Douglas Richardson.
19 I am a resident of Barrington. And the number of people 20 who have spoken before have put me in kind of a spot.
21 There has been a lot of references to construction 22 workers at the plant who have complained about the quality 23 of the work.
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2 This is the stage in'which I am also a little 3 nervous about this, so please excuse me. I am beginning to 4 understand why so few people have said anything that have 5 worked there.
6 This is the stage 'at which the most important 7 piping and control system, 1982 to '84, were being i
8 substantially completed.
! 9 I worked for Pullman-Higgins, which was . the 10 piping contractor at the plant, and subsequently for 4
11 United Engineers, which is the general contractor, in the capacity of as-built inspector.
) 12 13 It was my responsibility to record piping 14 - as it was completed, and to identify and report any i
15 nonconformances to the design and to monitor corrective 16 work that was done to bring them back into conformance.
17 I went into Seabrook Station with grave doubts f
18 concerning the safety of nuclear power in general, and 19 one of the reasons I went there was to find out for myself 20 what the truth really was.
21 Unfortunately, the things I saw at Seabrook 1
22 forced me to conclude that this plant in particular is 23 deficient in several critical areas. Some of them are
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3 First off, you have agreed, if I understand 4 correctly, to consider the environmental qualifications 5
of the control system; that is, to say whether the control 6 systems of the plant will work in desperate circumstances.
7 To me, . that doesn' t appear to be guaranteed at 8 all.
9 Most of the automated control systems on the 10 plant function out of the control room, and they are 11 electrically powered, and they have as I understand it 12 a computer system that runs the thing.
t 13 The major threat to the control room is likely 14 to be fire , and most likely of electrical origin. The 15 plant, Seabrook Station itself, is protected, according to 16 Seabrook's building code, and the National Fire Code, with 17 automatically operated water sprinklers.
18 You don't put water on an electrical fire, or 19 on electrical equipment. What happens when you do.that, is 20 the water conducts the electricity that is being used to 21 run the equipment in any haphazard direction, and you stand 22 a very good risk of shorting out your system.
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vulnerable to disruption if the sprinklers were to be 3 activated for any reason.
4 The second oversight has occurred can be very 5 probable. But in normal operating conditions, the control 6
room would not be considered a wet or an exposed environ-7 ment, and a typical standard for electrical equipment in 8
a protected area do not require water tight.
9 As a matter of fact, most computers require a 10 large amount of constant ventilation in order to keep them 11 from overheating, which in itself is a major cause of 12 disruption of computer services, i
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18 An ther thing that I would also look into, and 19 I would urge you very strongly, is whether there is 20 provision for any fire suppression other than water 21 actuated in areas where you have electrical equipment, j 22 like the control room.
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4 There was no indication at that time that any 5 other system was planned, and none was installed, aside 6 from a few hand-held fire extinguishers and fire hoses which, 7 again, use water.
8 If a fire does occur in the control room, it is 9 very likely that the sprinklers will be triggered, as that to is after all what is supposed to happen. Fire systems 11 work fairly well. I think we can depend on it that the 12 control room will be flooded.
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3 far'have been generally due to a series of by themselves 4 relatively insignificantly occurrences.
5 If a major loss of information and control 6 systems were to occur during an emergency at the Seabrook 7 Station the results could well be disastrous. You can 8 figure that out as well as'I can. The last thing you.can g afford to lose when you have an emergency system is even- l 10 more control. ,
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4 JUDGE WOLFE: Once again. Besides you, I have 5 heard perhaps two or three or more people suggest.that 6 there might be some deficiency or deficiencies at the 7 Seabrook plant.
8' MR. RICHARDSON: I am not suggesting it. I g am getting you. I was there.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: And, further, they don't speak 11 from their own knowledge. Now apparently you do or at.
12 least, as I gather, you are telling us that at some time 13 there were certain deficiencies, but you don't know whether b they have been corrected. Am I right?
14 15 MR. RICHARDSON: That may be considered 16 correct. I would like to point out that when we inspected 37 a system and turned it over, that system was considered 18 completed and that'no further work would be done except I
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d to other' people whoE think or do know that there are i deficiencies at the plant over and beyond the ones that are alledge to exist and that we are hearing testimony on, my suggestion to you and to those other people is first to to the Director of Inspection and Enforcement in Washington, 5
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'Q 3 These matters are not before this Board, and' 4 I. tried to make that clear to you earlier, but.apparently 5 I failed miserably. But I would suggest that you do write' 6 to them. And there is.Mr. Turk, who is the staff counsel..
7 He can give you even more information. I believe the 8 Director of Inspection and Enforcement, Mr. Turk, is who, g Mr. Taylor?-
10 I had occasion to in receiving a written ij limited appearance statement from some gentlemen,'and'I 12 _ have forgotten who it was,'in the past week, to alert.
13 him that if indeed he knew of any-deficiencies at that b
14 plant to write to Mr. Taylor, and I have forgotten his 15 first name.
16 Can you ---
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18 JUDGE WOLFE: James Taylor.
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4 (Applause.)
5 MR. RICHARDSON: Well, you leave me with a 6 little bit of a misunderstanding I guess as to why we are 7 here. It was my understanding that you were taking relevant 8 information to the low-power licensing of the Seabrook 9 Station. And I came here to present information that I 10 considered to be relevant, and on the surface it very well 11 may be.
12 JUDGE WOLFE: I told everyone here before that 13 we are trying certain issues that have been brought to our A1 t
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20 a letter to Mr. Taylor in Washington, D.C.
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5 JUDGE WOLFE: All right.
6 Ms. Amanda McDonough.
7 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 8 OF g AMANDA McDONOUGH 10 MS. McDONOUGH: Ili . Amanda McDonough, 33 M-c-d-o-n-o-u-g-h. I live in Portsmouth.
12 I have to say something. I can't just not 13 say anything. I don't know what I am going to say. Maybe O 34 I can just kind.of project my feeling towards you.
15 Ig to school with Katy. She is good with 16 words. I am not sure, but is it you three men here that 37 are from the NRC? Am I right?
18 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
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4 didn't destroy after they landed. Once they were down 5 they destroyed what they hit and that was it.
6 With nuclear it destroys a long time after, 7 a long, long time.
l l s I am very frightened for my children. I don't 9 know what kind of world they are going to come into. This
! 10 is it. It is right now that we have to decide what we I
11 going to do with our lives.
12 And I am going to fight. I am going to fight 13 you until I can't fight any more, and I am going to teach O
r 14 my children to fight you and they are going to teach their 15 children to fight you until you are not around any more 16 so we don't have to fight you.
17 (Applause.)
18 I want to say that I hate you, but I am not j ig going to. I love you because you are human. But there J
i3 20 is something wrong if you can't see what is real. I would d like to help you. Maybe you could come over for dinner 21 I
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24 JUDGE WOLFE Larry Folloni.
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5 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 6 OF 7 HELEN AND LARRY.FOLLONI 8 MR. FOLLONI: We are ---
9 JUDGE WOLFE: And you are from Hampon Ecach?
10 MR. FOLLONI: Hampton Beach. We reside at ij 13 Ross Avenue, Hampton Beach.
12 I am a retired athletic director, teacher and 13 coach, 39 years of it, and then we decided to retire up
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16 Unforatuntely, for 39 years I was too busy a
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23 I am awestruck, and I can't believe that anyone f0 t ,/ uld even foresee or how anyone could approve an evacuation 25
155 Sim 9-8 y from Hampton 3sach becauce:that in where I am from.
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s m thing that happened on an ideal -- on a normal Saturday afternoon during the summer.
4 I Was just returning from a round of golf at the Portsmouth County Club and was heading for my home down at the beach.
7 I arrived at Landing Road Lights, I don't know if you people are familiar with that area, but you are probably not, but just let me describe it briefly.
This was approximately 12:30 or a quarter to one, and there was a line of cars backed up heading from Manchester towards the beach from the Lights at least three 13 O(_- 14 miles or perhaps more or probably all the way to the expressway.
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22 Leaving the landing area about 12:30 or a quarter 23 to one, I got to that Church Street area about 1:30, and 24
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4 Now am I to understand that these people that 5 drew up this evacuation plan are going to say, and by the 6 way, just to bring you up to date, you know, from May 1st 7 or Memorial Day, May 30th to Labor Day the population of 8 that area in Hampton Beach goes from probably a thousand g residents in the winter to probably 100,000 to 200,000 to during the busy beach season.
11 Now am I to understand that anyone would be 12 so naieve to think that the good Lord above -- and probably 13 the good Lord wouldn't do it, but the devil himself probably O) 14 -- w uld ask that this nuclear emergency would only happen 15 during the wintertime when there is 1,000 people to evacuate.
16 (Applause.)
- j7 Now all I can say to anyone who would recommend
$ 18 acceptance of that ovacuation plan in plain simple words 39 is they are dumb, dumb, dumb and stupid, stupid, stupid.
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21 FROM Tile FLOOR: That's telling them.
I r MR. FOLLONI My lovely wife just suffered 22 23 a stroke within the past year. So please bear with her as she tries to convey a few of her thoughts relative to 24 O
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4 Helen, go ahead.
5 MRS. FOLLONI: I want to thank you people for 6 listening to me. .
7 I want to tell you something.out of the. ordinary.
8 We have been talking about. nuclear, nuclear, nuclear.
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9 I want to say this much.
10 First of all, my speech may not be perfect, it but my intellect is okay.
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13 First of all, I am going to tell you people, O~ 14 and I think that maybe when you go back to Washington you 15 will think of what I am saying.
16 First of all, we have a wealth of engineers 17 and scientists, the finest in the world and we must use 18 their talents to find new source of energy as opposed to i
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r meaning more possible jobs, and that is important for the I 22 23 economy. So let's find these engineers and scientists and 24 put them to work to find new sources of energy and America-25 will be a safe place to live for you just as for me.
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'8 services are needed here in America to solve the energy g problem here.
10 I would rather pay money on extra oil at least.
j3 if it is' safe, and I am asking you please to think about 12 it.
13 I know you probably have wonderful families.
O 34 I.have had six beautiful children, beautiful children. I 15 have.two graduated from Stanford University with top honors, 16 the third one graduated also with top honors, my other son s
37 is a graduate of Worster.Polytech and he is a scientist 18 at Digital and my daughter is a lawyer in Washington, D.C.,
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24 I wan 11 you, please, thank you.
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159 SIm 9-12 3 MR. FOLLONI Will you'please convey our message back to'whoever the body in that is responsible
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The people of Cape Anri have overwhelmingly 14 stated during the course of.the year by participation and 15 by resolutions passed by the Towns of Manchester, Essex,
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$ evaucation from our cape is an absurdity based on geographica L I i i
160 Sim'9-13 1 limits unique to our area. There are only two roads
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3 with'a situation of more t an 100,'000 tourists.
4 - In' addition,;the people of Cape Ann are cate-
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'6 wrought on Ipswich ' Bay by the ' add'ition of 6.5 million 7 gallons of chlorine per year, a process designed to clense 8 the outfall cooling pipe from the danger facility.
g- We stand against this threat to our health 10 and safety and that of future generations. We stand in 33 opposition to the corruption of the principles.of this 12 nation. We exercise our right to speak out against an
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34 15 In 1776 the byword was taxation without 16 representation is tyranny. In 1986 radiation without s
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3 ,tIMITED, APPEARANCE' STATEMENT 4 'OF' 5 . THOMAS MOUGHAN 6 MR. MOUGH N: My name is" Thomas Moughan.
7 JUDGE WOLFE: Spell your name, please.
8 .MR. MOUGHAN: M-o-u-g-h-a-n, from Amesbury, 9 Mass.
10 I would like to use my time to. read a section 11 from the draft Emergency Response Plans that were proposed 12 for the State of Massachusetts which the Governor has
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16 Nonetheless, I think this phrase typifies 17 the type of thinking and the type of morality that has 18 gone into this planning process.
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2 It goes on to explain that in sheltering these 3 People in place that the staff of the hospitals and nursing 4 homes shall close windows, they shall turn off the ventila-5 tion systems, the'y shall provide food and water for an unspecified period.
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7 It, requires!34000: civilian personnel, ;which 8 the planners of this absurd document refer to as emergency 9 workers. Those,are the same people that had guns at to their backs at Chernobyl.
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5 It cannot work, and this Board cannot. isolate 6 itself from the entire process by saying we don't have 7 to address this issue. You are no't'an island in this 8 process. ,You are an integral part of it.
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13 As much as I appreciate the opportunity to f~3 L) 34 speak here, my cynical nature says that what we probably 15 have here is a judicial hand ball court. My hopeful side 16 is that you will hear us.
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4 MR. MOUGHAN: This'is the implementation plan for 5 the. City of Newburyport, which was drafted in large part by 6 consultants hired by the utility. But, it is also the plan --
7 JUDGE LUEBKE: We have never seen nor heard of it.
8 MR. MOUGHAN: I'm sorry?
'9 ' JUDGE LUEBKE: I ask, because we have never seen 10 or heard of it.
II MR. MOUGHAN: And that, I guess, is probably the
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A V 13 JUDGE LUEBKE: But it's a communitybplan?
Id MR. MOUGHAN: This is a plan: drafted. It's 15 Draft 9 for the City of Newburyport, Massassachusetts. And, 16 it's the same phrasing in each of the Massachusetts, and I 17 would suspect for the New Hampshire communities that have 18 medical facilities.
I9 JUDGE LUEBKE: Thank you.
20 MR. MOUGHAN: You are welcome.
2I JUDGE WOLFE: Jeanine Burns.
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4 I'm here to testify for Gloucester, that we are 5 opposed to the danger of the Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant 6 that is proposed. Our City Council is unanimous on this and 7 voted so recently in a special hearing at City Hall, 8 We are opposed to a nuclear power plant jeopardizing 9 our lives. I'm here to ask the NRC what kind of government 10 can allow a potential Chernobyl to happen here? In Russia 11 maybe, where a democracy doesn't exist, but I thought our 12 government is for the people, of the people and by the Ii' People.
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15 MS. BURNS: That's what I was taught in grammer 16 school.
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18 MS. BURNS: You know, every day I watch people 19 die in pain and hopelessness with cancer, which Seabrook 20 would only increase if it was allowed to operate. Proven 21 fact. Plutonium, the by-product of nuclear power, is cancer-22 causing.
23 I recently read our hospital evacuation plan, which
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11 Don't sentence these children to die. Prove to 12 me that we live in a democracy.
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15 JUDGE WOLFE: Mark Knapp.
16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 17 OF 18 MARK KNAPP 19 MR. KNAPP: Hello. My name is Mark Knapp. That's 20 Mark, and then the last name is K-n-a-p-p.
21 JUDGE WOLFE: And, you are from Portland?
22 MR. KNAPP: Portland, Maine. Yes.
23 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
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4 To convey what I think about the safety of 5 nuclear power, let me tell you that I consider myself a 6 member of Citizens Within the 60-Mile Radius.
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8 MR. KNAPP: Let us consider how seriously the 9 NRC is -- how serious the NRC is about safety. Let's think 10 back to the Karen Silkwood trial and the sworn testimony II that was given there. During the Karen Silkwood trial, Dr.
12 Carl Morgan testified that emissions from the Kerr-McGee i,
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Id could give leukemia to half the children within a 25-mile 15 radius of the plant.
16 Now, Dr. Carl Morgan is the doctor who ran the 17 health physics team at Oakridge National Laboratories at 18 Tennessee, and Dr. Carl Morgan is the one who established 19 the guidelines currently being used by the NRC for radioactive 20 emissions.
21 Now, as to this testimony, later on during the 22 trial the NRC Manager for District 3, James Kepler, was 23 cross-examined by the lawyers for Karen Silkwood. And, the
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3 Now, to me this is absolutely crazy, because what 4 is more important, life or the profits of the company? I 5 would like to know if the members here have children, and I 6 would like to know if you would consider that you would 7 sacrifice your child so that you could make a higher salary?
8 Because that is, in effect, what is being done at a place 9 like Kerr-McGee.
10 There are many other things to be considered II when deciding not to give a license to the Seabrook Nuclear 12 Power Plant. The one that really stands out is nuclear waste.
13 There is no solution for nuclear waste.
Id The Atomic Energy Commission, the Department of 15 Energy have been looking for a solution for nuclear waste 16 for 30 to 40 years; and, gentlemen, you know this -- there is 17 no solution. Burying it in somebody's back yard is not a i
18 solution, whether it be 2,000 feet or 3,000 feet deep, because I9 the stuff laste for hundreds of thousands of years. And, 20 the DOE has admitted that when ground water seeps in there 21 that the ultimate containment is not going to be the actual 22 containers that hold the nuclear waste but it's supposed to 23 be the salt or the granite or something else.
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4 The other very key thing that jumps out to me is 5 the problem of 0-rings. We all know what happened to the 6 space shuttle. And, Seabrook Nuclear Power Plant is full of 7 these 0-rings that's failed. Now, you talk about how safe 8 our containments are in this country and Chernobyl can't 9 happen here, well, that's ridiculous. If there are hundreds 10 and thousands of 0-rings in a nuclear power plant, they are 11 all going to fail because they all cost about 19 cents each, 12 the small ones.
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14 MR. KNAPP: Then, how the hell can you convince 15 me that that thing is safe?
16 One last thing that I would like to mention is 17 that I'm in the middle of conducting a study on the value of 18 all the land around Seabrook. And, the preliminary results 19 of that study show that if you take a 20-mile radius around 20 Seabrook you come up with a figure of approximately 15 billion 21 dollars. And, that's just the cost of land that will be lost 22 in an accident. It does not include the cost of deaths and 23 injuries and hospital care and genetic effects and the cost 24 of evacuating everybody.
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4 JUDGE WOLFE: Jim Demers.
5 FROM THE FLOOR: He's coming tomorrow night.
6 JUDGE WOLFE: Thank you.
7 FROM THE FLOOR: Excuse me. Could I use his 8 time? I have to feed my children at 5 o' clock. My name is 9 on the list.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: What is your name?
11 FROM THE FLOOR: Michaela Richmond. My name was 12 on the list -- I was with the first group of people that 4
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14 JUDGE WOLFE: Well, come forward and give us your 15 name.
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17 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 18 OF 19 MICHAELA RICHMOND 20 MS. RICHMOND: Thank you. My name is Michaela 21 Richmond. You spell the first name, M-i-c-h-a-e-1-a.
22 Richmond, R-i-c-h-m-o-n-d. And, I'm from Union, New 23 Hampshire.
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- 5 -would sterilize myself, because how could I bring anymore 6 children into the world?
7 I feel like Seabrook is a gun to my childrens' i-8 heads. And, you can pull the trigger if you want. It's a
- 9 threat to our life. I moved to New Hampshire-because it was 1
10 so beautiful. We have a gorgeous place to live. I love my 11 life in the country. And, all of'that is in vain, because.
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15 than just' die of sickness from radiation. I have so much i.
16 to say, and I'm very confused, and I don't know what to tell 17 you.
18 I just - -I love my children so much. And, I want 19 them to live. I want to be a great-grandmother. I want my 20 children to be grandparents.
j 21 My relatives all live in eastern Europe in Lithuania ,.
j 22 That country is very near to Chernobyl. All of them have been
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2 I'm glad that I was born. I'm glad that I brought children 3 into the world. Please don't kill us.
4 Thank you.
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6 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. We have exhausted the 7 list of people that signed up. Are there any other members 8 in the audience who wish to speak?
9 MS, DOUGLAS: I have one minute left.
10 JUDGE WOLFE: Could I have your name again, 11 please?
12 MS. DOUGLAS: Sandra Douglas.
' 13 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
14 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 15 OF 16 SANDRA DOUGLAS 17 MS. DOUGLAS: I also live in Gloucester, 18 Massachusetts, across the Bay from Seabrook, 13 miles away, 19 just in the path of the prevailing wind.
20 I speak to you as an artist and a teacher and 21 also as a grandmother. And, I'm not going to talk about 22 facts, but my feelings about the earth. Somehow you and I 23 evolved as a species. We landed on this planet, were born
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4 Polluting the plant, as we have done, is bad 5 enough but to take the risk of destroying huge areas of this 6 earth for hundreds of years, hundreds of thousands of years, 7 it is a death wish, ultimate pollution. And, that risk can 8 become reality, as Chernobyl has proved.
9 So, I ask these questions. Who are we to take 10 this risk and destroy what has been given us, all this 11 beauty? And, secondly, why should certain groups of people, 12 posturing that their scheme is for the good of all, have the 13 right to put generations of people in danger?
14 One minute? Okay. I don't have much -- I have 15 one more sentence. Having chosen to exploit nature rather 16 than to marry her, we can still consider the degree that we l'7 will allow this to happen before we ourselves become an 18 extinct species.
19 Thank you.
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21 JUDGE WOLFE: As I say, anyone else to speak?
22 MS. HART: I signed up previously, but I guess 23 my name was lost. It's Marsha Hart.
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O 2 JUDGE WOLFE: Okay. Marsha Hart, you are from 3 Gloucester?
4 MS. HART: That's right.
5 JUDGE WOLFE: All right.
6 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 7 OF 8 MARSHA HART 9 MS. HART: I am a registered nurse and a mother of 10 two children who are 12 and 14. I've been involved in the 11 anti-nuclear movement for 10 years. Over these 10 years, 12 my conviction has only deepened, that nuclear power is 13 dangerously polluting, expensive and unnecessary. It's not 14 safe, clean, efficient. It's insane.
15 When I first became involved, I hoped that the 16 issue of waste disposal would be solved. What I've learned 17 instead is that a lot of sloppy handling of waste has 18 occurred. It has been spilled, leaked, lost and dumped into
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20 optimum management, the wastes we are creating today will 21 need to be contained for many thousands of years.
22 I don't want to live near one of these dumps. I 23 don't want to pay the staff of a disposal site to stand guard (l 24 for those years, and I don't want my children and grandchildren Aco-Federal Reporters, Inc.
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3 -There are conservation methods and viable alterna-4 tives which could be further developed to sensibly meet our 5 future needs. Uranium, which fuels nuclear power,.is a 6 limited resource just like oil and coal. It's not the energy 7 panacea of the future that will fuel our dreams and our varied 8 and collective destinies.
9 Nuclear power is a weapons-related technology. The 10 plants have a shelf-life of about 35 years and produce tons 11 of non-disposable waste that causes cancers and birth defects.
l 12 Anyone reading the newspaper in the last few months since the
'- 13 Chernobyl disaster has read about shut-downs of plants around 14 this country because of malfunctions of equipment and potential ly 15 dangerous operating conditions.
16 We have all read the predictions of increased 17 cancer rates and of the possible end to the whole Lap culture.
18 Does any of this sound like a potentially viable technology?
i 19 What are our priorities as a country?
20 As a nurse, I've been involved in disaster drills 21 at my local community hospital. We do things like pretend 22 that there was an ammonia spill at a fish plant. We aren't 23 prepared for a nuclear disaster. The idea of evacuation is
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3 Rockport is also a part of the same cape and uses-4 .the same roads in and out. I look across Switch' Bay and I'm i
5 terrified that you are seriously thinking of. firing this 6 plant up. There is no way out if there is a disaster.
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10 nurse, I've cared for many cancer patients. Most of us have 11 known at least one. person close to us who has died from 12 cancer. We know the devastating effects it has on the
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14 How can an educated people support an industry 15 that promotes this public health nightmare?- Ten years ago, 16 the public wasn't educated. Now,-the public is really J
17 awakening. And, already the voice, if you listen for it, i
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,g OF 5 REVERAND BILL CARTER 6 MR. CARTER: My name is Reverand Bill Carter. I 7 live in Newbury, Massachusetts. I am within a 10-mile radius.
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9 I have lived in'New Castle, Maine for 12 years 10 near the operation of Wiscasset Power Plant. I have been ij in the formation of a hospice organization in the Damariscotta 12 area. We had an incredible amount of cancer, a lot of
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15 Very little have we touched people with cancer in terms of 16 leukemia down here.
17 I can only draw a conclusion that there is some 18 connection between the operation of Wiscasset Power Plant 39 and the health problems that exist on the Maine coast. I 20 don't think we need that here.
21 I am also a part-time chaplain at the Anajaks 22 Hospital in Newburyport. To-evacuate that particular 23 institution, the intensive care unit, and other parts of
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$ 3 this plant, and I urge you to cancel this license. Help 4 these folks find an alternative way to create electricity and 5 just say no to the licensing of this plant.
6 Thank you.
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8 JUDGE WOLFE: Anyone else?
9 MR. CYSHING: Your Honor, I just have a procedural 10 question. I know that your office has received scores, if 11 not hundreds, of requests for limited appearance testimony 12 that was previously denied.
13 JUDGE WOLFE: I have already stated that.these 14 people may come in today, tomorrow night, Friday night. In 15 the event they cannot come in and make an oral appearance 16 they may submit, at any time, written limited appearance 17 statements.
18 And that's my answer.
19 MR. CYSHING: I just have a clarifying question.
l 20 And that is, will your staff now contact those individuals 21 to inform them that the hearings are open and they will be 1 22 allowed to --
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4 JUDGE WOLFE: I'm certain that many of the people 5 that wrote to me were members of the Clamshell Alliance and/or 6 the citizens within a 20-mile radius of Amesbury.
7 MR. CYSHING: It's not a 20-mile radius --
8 JUDGE WOLFE: Whatever it is. And, I'm sure 9 that --
10 (Disturbance from the audience.)
11 JUDGE WOLFE: And, I'm sure that those organiza-12 tions -- and I've asked them --
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14 JUDGE WOLFE: I would assume that these organiza-15 tions will contact their members.
16 MR. CYSHING: But, you don't think that the Staff 17 even wants to consider doing that?
18 JUDGE HARBOUR: We don't have a Staff.
t 19 MR. CYSHING: Well, what are you gentlemen doing 20 between, you know, now and 7?
21 You can get a local phone book and --
1 22 JUDGE LUEBKE: We are not in the mood for jokes, 23 sir.
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4 JUDGE WOLFE: All right. Who else would like 5 to make a limited appearance statement?
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7 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT 8 OF 9 SALLY BARROWS 10 MS. BARROWS: My name is Sally Barrows, B-a-r-r-o-w- s.
11 And, I'm from Falmouth, Maine. And, I'm reading a prepared 12 statement written by Bonnie Titcomb, T-i-t-c-o-m-b, who is 13 Co-Chairman, Chairperson of the Citizens Against Nuclear 14 Trash from the Sebago Lake in Maine.
15 JUDGE WOLFE: And, what was her full name again, 16 please?
I'7 MS. BARROWS: Bonnie Titcomb, T-i-t-c-o-m-b.
18 JUDGE WOLFE: And, where does she reside, 19 please?
20 MS. BARROWS: In South Casco, Maine.
21 JUDGE WOLFE: And,your name again?
22 MS. BARROWS: Sally Barrows.
23 JUDGE WOLFE: And, you are from where, please?
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25 JUDGE WOLFE: All right.
182 0-18-SueW1 MS. BARROWS: Seabrook, as an operating nuclear 2 facility, is a serious threat to the people of Maine and 3 New Hampshire. As we are all probably aware, Maine and 4 New Hampshire have been, and continue to be, on the list 5 of proposed dump sites for a national nuclear waste repository.
6 In 1982, the Nuclear Waste Policy Act clearly 7 states that in selecting a dump site one consideration will 8 be the site's proximity to nuclear waste generation.
9 The people of Maine have chosen to reconsider 10 the generation of nuclear power. Fifty-two thousand signa-11 tures forced the issue onto the ballots for November 1987, and 12 we believe that Maine Yankee will ultimately be closed down, f.
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14 MS. BARROWS: If Seabrook goes on line, the 15 efforts of at least 52,000 citizens of Maine to cease 16 nuclear waste production and eliminate a local source of 17 this waste will be seriously damaged. If Seabrook does not 18 go on line, there is a strong possibility that neither of 19 the two proposed dump sites in the DOE's northeast region 20 will be a waste producer, thus lessening our chance and 21 New Hampshire's of being selected as one of the nation's 22 radioactive dumping grounds.
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4 Tell the people in Lapland.
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6 MS. BARROWS: Tell the people in Lapland that 7 since they are outside the Chernobyl 10-mile zone their 3 herds of reindeer are not destroyed. Tell the wildlife and 9 the people who face death and sickness and the consequences 10 of gene mutation later down the road the theory that 11 radiation is told to become non-existent at the 10-mile 12 limit.
'- This line of demarkation is a figment of someone's 13 14 imagination. And the public should be told the truth again 15 and again until they all understand so they can make wise 16 decisions.
17 If there is a nuclear accident or disaster, we 18 will not rest in Maine because we live there. We will check 19 the wind directions but we must not fool ourselves. Radiation 20 is secret, for you cannot see it or smell it. But, it 21 travelled around the world from Russia, and it can surely 22 do it again.
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3 We appeal to all concerned citizens to stand 4 strong and demand a voice in the decision-making process, 5
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I 6 It is our right and our responsibility to be part of that 7
democratic process.
8 Thank you.
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10 JUDGE WOLFE: Anyone else to make a limited jj appearance statement?
12 FROM THE FLOOR: May I ask a question, sir?
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j4 FROM THE FLOOR: I am sorry to show my ignorance 15 in all of this.
16 JUDGE WOLFE: You are Mr. --
j7 MR. FOLLONI: Larry Folloni from Hampton Beach, 18 sir. Just a stone's throw, a 9-iron shot from the cape.
19 Really, my wife got me to come up here today in
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21 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes. Well, I've said before, if 22 you are going to ask the Board a question --
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6 What is your duty? What is the purpose of you 7 people being here to go back to wherever you are going, to 8 the licensing group, or whatever it is?
9 Can you bring us up-to-date with that?
10 JUDGE WOLFE: Were you here this morning when I 11 attempted to --
12 MR. FOLLONI: I can't hear you, I'm sorry, sir.
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16 MR. FOLLONI: I'm sorry. I missed most of that.
17 JUDGE WOLFE: I will repeat it once again.
18 Limited appearance statements --
19 MR. FOLLONI: If you could talk louder, please?
20 I -- from flying in the service, I'm a little bit deaf now and 21 I would like to hear this, please.
22 JUDGE WOLFE: Limited appearance statements are 23 statements not made under oath, and they are not considered i
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5 Now, beyond that it is not evidence and --
6 MR. FOLLONI: Sir --
7 JUDGE WOLFE: -- to alert --
8 MR. FOLLONI: Sir, how can I go about getting 9 .on this list to be heard, and being sworn as an active 10 personthat'sgonethroughwhatI'veexplainedbeforeak'd 11 not being able to get an evacuation plan?
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13 gent 3 aman that spoke to you earlier --
14 JUDGE WOLFE: As I explained earlier, and once 15 again I'm sorry you weren't here, this Board is not looking 16 into off-site emergency evacuation. There is another Board 17 that is looking into that.
18 MR. FOLLONI: But, what are you people doing 19 here? We have spent all day. What are you people doing 20 here if you are not going to convey our message back to 21 these people that are going to grant this license?
22 Can't you at least --
23 JUDGE WOLFE: That's what I have tried to
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3 Maybe I'm stupid. I've only had six years of j
- 4 college,-been a teacher for 39 years. I can't.be that 5 stupid, but I still don't get the follow-up on this.
5 6 Where is this all going to lead to?
7 JUDGE LUEBKE: Sir, why don't you join one'of 8 these organizations that are represented here?
9 MR. FOLLONI:. I'm not a rebel rouser normally,.
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12 But,-this is a matter of-life and death. I'm O-
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14 JUDGE WOLFE: All I can do -- I've told everyone 15 this morning that much of what would be heard would be on 16 Chernobyl, I thought, would be on off-site emergency 17 evacuation or would be with radiation. And, those issues --
18 I told everyone this morning when I explained our ruling as 19 to why we weren' t taking - limitt i appearance statements --
20 that this was not withiu cgc 3 - s .isdiction.
21 Now, your question goes a step farther. Now that 22 we've heard it, what are we going to do about it?
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MR. FOLLONI: What right do you people have in the granting of this license? This is my point.
7 There must be some reason for you people to come 8
9 all the way from Washington to find out the feelings of the 10 people up in this area. Is that not so?
, jj JUDGE WOLFE: Your messages will be printed in i
12 the transcript, the official transcript of this hearing.
13 (Disturbances from the audience.)
j4 MR. FOLLONI: I don't want to be ludicrous about 15 this. -I'm serious about this. I just don't know what --
16 JUDGE WOLFE: And, I was very serious this morning, too. And, all I can say is that I will alert Mrs.
37 18 II yt, who is the Chairman of the off-site --
j9 (Disturbances from the audience.)
20 FROM THE FLOOR: Answer his question.
JUDGE WOLFE: Why don't you listen to what I'm 21 telling you? That I will alert her as to what is in the 22 23 transcript and then she is a separate and independent Chair-person of her Board. And that's up to her.
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2 JUDGE WOLFE: That's the best I can do for you, 3 and that's my answer to you.
4 MR. FOLLONI: I think it's asinine. If we have 5 spent all of our time and you people have diligently sat 6 through all of this and listened to it -- and-I appreciate 7 that really. I want to thank you for it.
8 JUDGE WOLFE: Yes.
. _9 MR. FOLLONI: But, the next step is: What good is 10 all of this going to be if it doesn't get back to the powers 11 that.be that are going to sign this okay for this licensing?
12 This is my point. Now, somewhere -- one hundred O
k- 13 percent of the people that I have heard today are opposed 14 to this nuclear plant. One hundred percent. I haven't heard 15 a single person --
16 JUDGE WOLFE: Then write directly to the Regulatory 17 Commission, Mr. Folloni. Write to Mr. Asselstine.
18 MR. FOLLONI: Then, what are you people here for, 19 then? I just---
20 JUDGE WOLFE: We are to try issues that have ;
21 been admitted as issues in controversy. That's all we are 22 going to try.
23 MR. FOLLONI: Well, this is issue in controversy.
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25 MR. FOLLONI: Why not? I'm swearing. I will
4 190 0-26-SueWI swear -- I will given an oath.
2 (Disturbances from the audience.)
3 MR. FOLLONI: .I will give an oath, if that's what 4 you want. I mean, I've gone through this and the people 4
5 that --
6 JUDGE WOLFE: We have heard enough. Are there 7 any other limited appearance statements?
8 (Disturbances from the audience.)
9 JUDGE WOLFE: Are there any other limited .
10 appearance statements?
11 I have answered you to the best of my ability.
12 MR. FOLLONI: I know no more now than I did when O 13 I came here first.
14 JUDGE WOLFE: Well, I'm sorry.
15 FROM THE FLOOR: When are you coming back here?
16 JUDGE WOLFE: Tonight from 7 o' clock to 10 o' clock 17 tonight. Are there any other limited appearance statements?
18 (Disturbance from the audience.)
19 JUDGE WOLFE: I don't want to get into this.
20 I'm not going to answer any --
21 FROM THE FLOOR: The question we want to ask of you 22 is, do you have the power, the sole power, to grant the low 23 power license?
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24 FROM THE FLOOR: Well, just you better not.
25 JUDGE WOLFE: We hear the evidence that is
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3 will also be part of the decision --
4 JUDGE WOLFE: Now, what low power license are you 5 talking about?
6 (Disturbance from the audience.)
7 FROM THE FLOOR: For Seabrook.
8 JUDGE WOLFE: Well, I mean, we will be considering 9 it. We make a recommendation.--
10 FROM THE FLOOR: Okay. Is .there another --
11 JUDGE WOLFE: -- in our partial initial decision.
12 FROM THE FLOOR: Is there another branch of the 13 NRC which does consider Chernobyl, nuclear waste and other 14 things that will also be part of that decision-making 15 Process?
i 16 JUDGE WOLFE: Chernobyl does not enter into the 17 five Percent low power license.
18 FROM THE FLOOR: Chernobyl was running at five 19 percent.
20 (Disturbance from the audience.)
21 JUDGE WOLFE: Well, I'm not going to explain this, 22 because I'm not going to get into thic.
23 We will now recess until 7 o' clock this evening.
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and #10 25 to reconvene at 7:10 p.m., this same day.)
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This is to certify that the attached proceedings before !
l the UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION in the i matter of:
NAME OF PROCEEDING: PUBLIC SERVICE COMPANY OF NEW HAMPSHIRE, et al.
(Seabrook Station, Units 1 and 2)
DOCKET NO.: 50-443-OL-1, 50-444-OL-1 PLACE: PORTSMOUTH, NEW HAMPSHIRE DATE: MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 29, 1986 were held as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript thereof for the file of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
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