ML20148H145
| ML20148H145 | |
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| Site: | Trojan File:Portland General Electric icon.png |
| Issue date: | 11/03/1978 |
| From: | Mccollom K, Mark Miller, Paxton H Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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| NUDOCS 7811130380 | |
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2300 e 'I i CR 9928 'j t f UNITED STATES O? A!GRICA . i -.. 9 2 I f g NUCLEAR REGULATORY CO CIISSICU j e 3 ,, . _ __________________ 4 In the matter of: ; t '
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S PORTLAUD CENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY, ~
- Doc':et No. 50-344
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10 Friday, Never.bar 3, 1978. 11 The hecring in the abcve-entitled matter was ! i l I 12 ! j reconvened, pursuant to adjcurnment, at 8:30 a.m. 'j .
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, MARSHALL E. MILLER, E3q. , Clu.irman, 15j Atomic Safety and Licensing Bocrd. ,
I i 1 g , DR. KENNETH A. ti-COLLCM,Z:2cher. DR. HUGH C. PA: CON, Henber.
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20 ROLAND F. BANKS, Esq., Souther S,caulding, Kin.1oy, g 1 Williamson & Schwabe, Standard Pla::n, Portland, Oregon 97204.
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.o MAURICE A CL2AD, E:q. , LO*.tenstain,. ;ft.;.Tt1. , ;
Reis and A::alrad,1025 Connecticut Ave.'.tc, I g-) "-all1 Washington,-D.C. 30036. f l .{
, . . 1 ROWALD JOIciSON,. Esq. , Iortland Gansrr.1 E12ctric
) Company, 121 S .W. Salmon Street . Po-' 1 ='d , ;
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WILLIAf! KINSEY, Esq., 1002 1:.E. ECLLADAY, 1 I Portland, Oregen. ,
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5 - JOHN H. SOCOLOFEKY, Esq. ,' Capartnent of Justics,
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'4 - On' behalf _of the Nuclear Reguletory Ccmmission: i 7 ,
JOSEPH CRAY, Esq. , Office of; E::acutive Legal 0 Director, United States Nuclecr Regulatory - I' Commissien,11ashingten, D. C;
. 9) on behdif of Columbia Envizcamental Ccuncil, 10 Intervenor:
1 11 GREGORY .V. POUR 7, Esq. , Xafcury & Hagen, 202'Oregen Pioneer 3uilding, 320 S.W. Stark
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k 14 l EUGENE ROSOLIE, 3926 N.E. 12th Street, i 15 Portir.ad, Oregen. , l 16 . on behalf of Censolidated Intervenors, and =ro se,: 17 NI:A BELL, 2018 N.W. Ivaratt, Pertinnd, Oragen. l
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M.DELON/ 1l P 3 0,,C,E E E 1 E g E i c mpb1 t 3 E! CHAIR!GM MILLER: Good morning.. l' n 1 ' ' 3 MR. KAFOURY: Good , morning,Ilr. Chairman.
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4 CHAIR! CUT MILLER: Any preliminary matters er are
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6 ~ MR. BANKS: Ua11, I supposs there's still a j m t I 7 preliminary matter of this -- if !!s. Dall utill wishes' to !
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10 i MS. DELL: I cm withdrr. wing the section 7 which a; *
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! 12 taking official notics of Section G en earthquakan.
.. 1 The name of ' tha document frem v/nich Section 6
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Cct:miscien, NU3?:3 Cn-0400 10 fact that I'm int;..estad essentially in having the Ecard taka I
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23 ' "r. Chaircr.n, ths:.:a ara a couplo of t't.tm. d, , number one, under the official Echico secticn 5: it uculd be our pcsition that the enly thing chat could be l 'm \ f 4
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t 23j CHAIRMtJ7 MILLER: Uhat is this section, part 2, j i L 22 l that refers to officici noti:27 :o you h:vo th207 g
) 3j MR. BEIKS: - I think it's 2.7C.
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'4 CILURMAli ItILLER What are the facts, Ms.'3 ell,.
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64 that you're proceeding under the official ~notics section? 91 . . 7 MS. BELL: Well,. essentially it's the; fact that !* 5 5.- P 8 . this paper exists within the URC, has been produced by people 1. 1 , 9 who have been working for the liRC...It was prepared for the to .NRC. And it's the fact that they are taking snception to Ei 1 11 the way earthquahe risk has been uced in the past in dater-I' . . i mining the earthquake. risk of nuclear pcwar plants'.
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i 15l CIIAIR!m!I MILLER: staff, uhat's your position 16 on this?
"l l 17 ' MR. GFXI: Mr. Chai man, we besically have the is same. position as the Licensee., that official notica must be 19 taken of facts, not opinions. Wa.can cite --
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m < CHAITdimi MILLER: *'a' ra not talking about - j i ) .:. ;d . .
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j' 13 g-that the Staff did.put en direct-writtan testi=cny which I ; 14 i went into sema aapacts of seicrJ.c, even prebability. Now ; I . . 15 ; the fact that it was supposed to be based ganeral knowledge (. d 5 1G - I supposa if you got'into a nataoxological.rp;estion that '
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la ' something; it wecid have to be a littla more solid than that. 4
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~so you understand the ruling, Mr. Denks?
# J !!R. BA!!KS: I think I understand -- well, let 3 me see if I understand.
fir. Chairunn? ' G MR. SOCOLOFSft il CHAIMM MII.IZR ' I'll racegni::e you.
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i 0 te. SCCOLOFSK7 Lo you mean that this type cf fl 9 material is scrathing that may or may not have actually . 1 10 resulted in changing the regulations? ' jj !G.. GRAY: . Ultimately I supposa that that's 12 possible. J
, g3 !G. SCCCLOFSK7 And if thcy were to puopose a ,
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, 15 given in the other preposed regulatiens and opportunities for 16 ccmmants?
I j7 !a. GRM.'s In accordanca vil:h rulemckings, yes. 2 gg That's not to say, of ccurce, that every liURIG 1 1
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20 CHAIRMAN !! ILLER: Ycs. Some do; they cover a *
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22 , ti n; OL;.:ining and disper sing by tha staff, the Recu.*.atory i e.).
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any facts in this case. . i 5l Im. BA!mS: That's kind of what -- 6 CHAIR!Wi ICLLI:n: As far as establj.shment of . I I
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8Ii . information that the Staff used in the direct test % ny of I 1 9: . one of its witnocces, it wculd be ccmparable; no greater, no - 2 less. That's the basis, i 10l h 11I t tm. BJdinS: 'Jec. 1 , 11 I I understocd the Chairman to scy the Board was ta' 1 . 11 l ,- x '13 !I ing notice of the* fact that the document 2:i:43, and that it i i ! , 14 4 might have differing opinions in it, but was not taking j .- 15 notice of the actual materici in the e::hibit or uhatwer it i 16 : is she's handad you ac actual evidence, is tist cor:20t? 1 i 17{ CHAIm!A!T :CLI2R: Pall, it's ccrrect in a ucnse.
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't 0 3 CIIAIIC4Alf !! ILLER: And we fesi it's a fair 4 counterpart and it will stcnd on the semo basis.
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1 : . 1 3 Im. KAFOUR'l: It might as troll be raised at this f 4 3.5 point. 1 m i 4 CIIAIR!!A!1 !! ILLER: All right. . i 5
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i would like to point it cut to da Ucard, that' being in the is !. i Licensen's tastimeny of ths Dechtel witnesces. Appendix A,
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, 17 ' citAIRI!AN MII.L2R: t@.ich issue is this, new.
I The issue is tho ficer :ssponse 16 MR. IG* JOUR *?: 19 spectra with regard to the containment building. 20 CILUR!WT MILLER: Hell, why would -- unicss that i 4 is related to the issue of safe operation, aterim or other-21 l
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/ 23 liR. X.UCUR'i: It's r21avant to safa cparation of the plant, would be my fir:t 4.rgument.
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16 Semo of thesa matters may have a littia nore t 17 I bcdy for us to connidar as wa gat into thic tsctineny tec. 13 I think they would be a littia nora con rate.
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G. Say this covers two-thirds of tha evidence in s T ' the conclusions of law that ycu want; you will still have an ! P. 3< , additional opportunity. i I, r, , l 9'li 12. 3AliKS: But that would he en the other' ,, i i 10 evidence, I assums.- i l CHAIR!Gli MILLER: Yos. 11l', 12 or insofar as this wculd be m:dified -- we don't
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5 C11AIRMAI! 14 ILLER: Certainly you may. 34 6 l,, J h Very well, anything furtner? 7 l 14R. GluY:* Mr. Chair:aan, tnere was una additional i S L 9 W Yesterday, Dr. Pay. ten request 3d.a'rsfarence. I 10 i' This was to the Trifunce and urady study en the correlation 11 of Modified 4eren111 intensity with peak grottad e.cceleration. li 12 . l l , And we do have that rsferenca. !- f- ! q 13 j j ./ CImIRI!AN MILLERS Very wall. You taay supp1v it. ( 14 !
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l '. . even to talk about - - [ ] 13- MR. IIAH1(S: I undarstand that. . 14 And that's why I jrafarred to bring this Op 15 after wa mde our presentction today and after you had had ' 16 - a chanca to talk to thess gentleman. Eacause.I taink every : 17 body, aftsr die scard has had an opportunity to question 13 those gentism:n, will havs in mora perspectiva exactly what d 19 we'ra talking about, in tha w.ly of whatsver problem - might'
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W ' meetings that are imperative Mat we attend with the Co:.u.tission,
- so that's pretty important to us.
. What's the ma::imum guaranteed it.ngth o$ tine it c would tz.he to go into these additienal 11.atter.s cf uh 22vs.r
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/4 Staff, Intervencrs -1..d whr.t .ct - ,r.d ha Licenses, s..- That r.ini:aum is it, one day, is it t.ic days?
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requirs 15 days advance filing cs dirset writtan testiuony?
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sp of ovants, I'm afraid. i 4 You say one to thrsa dr.ys.
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_. ; in agreement. Short of that, then, we will reconvene our 6 evidentiary hearing on Monday, Decetabar lith. L1 7 ~ n I-ut. KAFOURY: Thank you, Mr. Canir* tan. l C11AIItiAN s1 ILLER: Don't forget tus 15-day rule, i 0 ' if it should apply to any of your tactiuony, cir. 1:afotcy. MR. ICAI'OURY: Yes, sir. 4, e
" C1IAIluMN MILLER: And all parties.
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U ~ 0 'BY MR. BANXS- '; Do .you have before you, 2:r. Anderson and Dr. Whita,. I 10 i O a j 11 t the materials submitted with the letter of PGE cf October ; i .
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6 A (Chorus of Yes.) i b I 3 7 0 could you just briefly describe to what extent? es 8 A (Witness Anderson) We had a team of people in , I a 9 San Francisco working on this: a stress analyst, st.uc- ,, i j-10 tural engineers, equipment specialists, peopis reviewing ; <
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8 - previously qualified equipment, piping, and elsetrical systems . l 9 s Late in Augunt, as you know,.we ecmpisted the ;
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10 Now if that happens than the natural fraquencles 8 11 cf the building shift to the right, er to the higher side 12 , cid they becoms higher.
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5 Now when we did this we found that this had very 6 little effact on equipment and we would expect that this kind H f ; 7 of a frequency shift wculd have very littlo offect on equip-I
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9 it's qualified to very high frequencies. Equipment generally 10' has very high natural fraquencies, and usually equipment is 11 qualified to accom=cdate many different plants and many l 12 different seicnic conditions. So it's generally quclified 13 above the response spectra that wo are investigating'hers 14 and that we have here. I' 15 We have gono back and reviewed each'picco of ll 16 equipment, including alactrical equipment e.nd tvachanieni l a 'l 17 i equipment, in these three buildings above alavation 45, shove 18 the ground level where these changes tcke placa, and we find 19 that the equip = ant still remains qualified, bcond en 2e a 20 original qualification of the equipment.
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.2 .overstressed under these very conservativs conditions. And l . i 3 the conservatism is in a way ecmpounded in the piping systems a
-' because wa are dealing not only with the building cnd tha - !
I j 5 conservative factors that have been built'into the building . j 6 analysis involving the damping valuas and the'moro sophisti-
- 7 cated STARDYNE analysis and the widening of thass response 8 _ spectra curves, but we also hcve a requiramont in the FS!d i
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16 very icu damping valuce for the piping systens. 19 1 We have completed now thic re-ovaluation for the 20 piping systems and that is all piping that is shove eleva-
. 21 tion 45 in this three-building cc:Lplan, and uo h:vs found, ;
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23 i 20, that 10 additicnal restrainta nead to ho added to 'ia MP piping cystems as listaf. La thch r3 spence. k .l 25 il Now wo airsady hava soms 772 supports cnd restraint l i
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'3 be added to these systems.
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) 4 Now in addition to that we have re-evaluated the 5 loads on axisting restraints and we find that soma 65 of the E
1 6 existing restraints need to have so=a minor modifications. 7 These modifications would involve maybe stiffening of the r i 8 support with a steel picts or an additional anchor bolt, or___. _ p ., a . g something of that nature, to strengthen.the onisting sup- i l 10 ports in the case of these 65 supports. t l i 11 We have evaluated small piping, thct is, 2 inches I and under, and we have determined th:t no cdditional wo4 - l 12 l 13 needs to be dono t:o the safo shutdown systems and the emer- !
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I!cwevar, there ars soma peri-i I 15 pheral systems, these room'ccolers that have been discussed, g that have copper pips. They cre hind'of secondary. systems 37 and we have to add some additienal holddown cicmps on that small cepper piping. I think it's in the rnnge of 15 addi-13 39 tienal holddown clamps. 20 So these are the results of these cdditionci
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studies and we are proceeding to install these additional 11 22 rsstraints and to ma' e thena mciifications. g3 At'this point think I uculd lihe to c:11 on p Dr. Whits to enple.in seme of the precas.ses uced in dater-mining the neu response :pectra, and see if us can devslop 3 A . V ; _, 1 __ _. . _ _ _ . . . _ . ._ . . _
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4 .you be'sure and. carry us through step-by-stop from back'in 1 m ! 5- the very beginning and show what each one of those.respcase 6 spectra is?.
< i 7 WITNESS WHITE: ; That's exactly what .I have in mind, ,
lG .to start from the very.beginning and progress all the way g throutJh to the point whers wa have assentially dsts:mtinad ' .l 4
-10 the breadened-response-spectra that is shown.in the report.
t1 okay. Along with that there are savarcl figuras j .. 12 'and that kind of information that is presa.ntad in these- -l [ , O m 13 tus dccuments, Number 19 and Munbar 20,.'t.nd I:think that
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4 of strong motion. l 5 Now the reason it's necessary in the synthetic I 6 time history'is to develop a response spectra frem this time 7 history which envelopes the ground response spectra. ' 4 . ;
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. i n ;; frequancies. This is where enr et uctural fucqusncias nra, e g and the portien of tha cur'73 be".r3 tha structurni frequencies ;
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7 WITNESS FdITE: Not of frequencies associated.with-8 ,the_ structural frequency arean. In other words,..if you go 9 >from 4 cps into higher frequencies, there is no place where 10 it drops below the ground response spectra. . (
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i s i 15 } The important part is the portion of.the response ] , 16 ' spectra associatad with the structural responses which is in i 37 the 4' cps and higher. area. l gg Okay. So I've gona through the nececsary staps to" l* 39 generate the synthetic time history whcse respense.spectrn-u
., 20 envelopes the ground response spectra. That tekss us through :
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22 How we subject the finita elatant =cial to this 3.240 ;3 tins history, sticking -it at the betten of the building and 24 j this thing shakos. Ucu what ue've done from thct peint,, l n ..
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5 ings, but just to narrcw cur attention a little bit here, a' ! 6* When the building is cubjected.to the ground 4 7 acceleration time history, the motion of the pointa in the
.4 0 control building are d,eterminud. The five points that were
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to one in the middle, 174. So while the building is shahing, ? l
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'7 response spectra model for this particular ficor for this 6 particular building, which envelcpes all five'of these points, ']
4 the fear corners- The four corners ware chosen so as to- I 9 10 include any offect of torsion, and then you threw in a point y ., 1 11 in t'ae middle, just. to pick up r.nother point the.t may show
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9i Now as I r.cationed c:.rlier, tha sclid line is i U tne respcuse spectra e.ssocie.ted uith clastic bel.p. vier, i . g.* <' assuming that the thing remains uncrackad. This gives us nn 1 12 l upper-bound en the frequency. Tha structure can't got any i .
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of curves or a third line. And this is a dot-dacn lina. And this is a further widaning of the curyn to include 11 possible non-11naar behavior.
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16 Now, the final curve'that we used for evaluatica U of the equipment and the 'like f.s tse solid line on the 18 ~ high frequancy side, the dahsud lins for that pernion, and II then going to the dot-dash lino. So tnis is what was used for 20 the equipment evaluanics, piping evaluation and everything o
, 21 eise, a very conservative curva.
22 i New the o%er locatienc in . structura, tas
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S! CHAIRMAN HILLE2: Thank you, you may continue.
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j f' e' DR. W11ITE: That'c all I hc.vs at this time. t* I t 10 Ec BY MR. HAIES:- i i 11l Q' Tha culy thing furths: I wanted to csh - and I 1 1' *' , think you'va covered this, but I just wanted to be cu Ja: I
) In doing this, you assumed and used the 0.5 de.mping requirement of tne FSAR, is that corrsct?.
l 15 A (Witness Andarson) Yec, we did. . 10 Q But the'prssant Ro,caGuiv.s:s wou".4. have clicwed ] ja+i a damping factor of, wha.t, thras? i a 18 A Thras for the large piping and tic for tha j 1
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-a .l, 7 EXAMInTICII aY THE DOMtD I
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3# spectra r. ads to investigate equipmcat behavier frca the vary _ 15 first of the design of this huilding until the present? 10 How many times, and on what bases vera responsa spectra 17 created and then equipaant invsstigated? I presums tant
.s 18 taa first one is the STIC; Ocdal?
- 19 i A (Witness b'hite) Right. The STICC Ocdel was tne
. F5 l 20 ' first set of respense spectra that were used. And, in the 21 , error of May 5, May 24 aubmittala, the ct:.agno that vere M E censiderad at that 6'- ? usrs ths charges f.us tc u_c changea
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24 And tness ch::.yes did n:P,. causa any chann of tna a . 15 ; respenso spectra 4. hat would be cutside the brordaned respence ,i m l lt
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ItR. EAliKS: May I ask a question on this while 5i we are en it?- T i 6L Before 2.aking this study for the new response 7: 1 spectra, you did talk to the Staff about it in ordar to 8' determine whether they thought this would be approprieta, ,. 9i did you not? 10 , ;TI':"JZSS hi1II":: Devtioping these tima histories,
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i :: 12 'fi BY DP.. MC COI.LOM: 4 . I C 3- 10.; f Q I presur.c' they encouraged you to de it? (' l d 1 A l{1 A (Witness Whits) Yes.
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is l C Was your sr.ste=ent abcut ?iguro 4 saying that 4 j t 16 g -;ne 1:gortant part is abcVe four cycles par sacend, do you 17! have sicita.r stnter.ents on ths etner impoPsnt die.grts.c ) 1 0 13 3 previces to that, Figures 2 and 37 -; 19 I h A These response spectra hora are for da::! ping 20 .I, values othsr the.n SSE cend.iticas. In other words, one percent - ; Jl h !
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parcent damping, a very conservative envelope.- Q And, again, ~ you coulb say on this chart for tas t 6 ' OBE, that the pertinent frequencies are those at four cycles I per second and greater? 8 A Yes,-on-ell-of these. --. 3 Because of the building charactsristics, the. Q [ 10 ' modal charactaristics. II I A Hight. 12 on Page Five of your tastimony, Licenssa's-
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' 13 Exhibit Number 19, you indicate that in the STARDD!E spectrum,
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) 4 the three-building complen is a *.ary difficult building 5 to modial with 'a stick type medel, and the finits element-6 systen is a better representation of this ever-all behavior.
p 7 And I think that this particular frequency was one that the 8 stick model was not capable of picking up. i , 3 ;- 0 Did the change in tho tir.e history input have any- ?
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11 ' A It wou'.d be very doubtful. 12 O Do you have the Tourier amplitudo cpect um of G 1- 't che original timo histcry? k'-- j 'i - A I don't. 14 I Wouldn't that shew you if it were a peccihie 35 , O L 1 1G y pr'oduct of the time histcry if you icched at the amplitudes 17 f. present in the Fcurier spectrum and compared the tfo? l gg A It might chew sc=ething. t t, I.have seen the response spectra f cm ths cricfinal s time history and I'm trying to remember if there was a peak 1
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- .I! Q Ynan you say that the changas tchs placs abe's g[ :.he ground level due to the brcadaned respon:2 spectra, are
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8 . _ . if you ':. ave a. piece of equipment-- And these differeness are g viewed as structural amplification. If you had a piece of i 10 equipnant that was supportad on the base sich elevation 45 L
. 11 which is at' reek level', then the structural amplification i 12 dtie to the building dcas not.' influence the equipment attached ,
l diractly to the base sich at c11. r 13 14 You can' think.cf the building as a filter. You have the time history ecming in and the building filters 15 l 1G sud amplifies scr.s fraquencies, decreases others, and at the 37 ground level, the building is not between the tima-history 18 lj and the piece of equipment that you're looking ct. Go this
! l 1 gg is the reason that it dcasn't raflect everything at ground 1 g level or balow ground level.
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,,3 Q It's independent of whether the building ic 22 there or not?
4.230 23 A Dcactly. ! g i l y .A (Witness Anderson)- I might e.df, Dr. Mccc11cm, j that mest of the cafety systen equipmant in this thras-buildin. 25 o
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2 he . of tha varistiens that eculd cccur? f n i 4 yf A Chcy. "I'll go building by building or et larst' f I
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l 15 responss spectra where the point at the middle centro 11ed. 1 16 any frequency-range ia developing tha cvar-all onvalopa.- It J l 17 may hcie, but by and large ths-cornors are ths enes that j j 10 centrol. c gg O. I think that we can go to E:2ibit :!u:6er 20 shcrtly, ; 1 yt ~ 2C and look at the individual nodas. Didn't you put them in a i I
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5 i are even thicker there. They are 2-1/2 to 3 feet thich, so 6 again the points on this ficer you can break dsm into
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{ 10 .two columns for each direction, the first one being the ; 6 ti.' acceleration associatsd with the time history :tethod of 1 12 analysis and the cacond one, an accloration associated with
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! 15 Sc thct's how theae various numbars wera deter- ,
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;8 point 189 in this case is the highest of the five, being j, 1 3' .
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12 that you suggssted- a while ago, that-the highest peint is 13 on the outside corners. ,
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16 Q Now I think you're getting to my point. If that ). 17 one is higher, hcw de I knew one halfway in between the two 18 might not even be higher?
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'. 21 above the points that have haen selected. But let's go back n to the over-all process that tre use in orde.: to gsnsrate de j
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- Now accepting that fact, let's compara Table 3-11 a .
D[ that we're herring to here with Table 5 in 2::hibit Number to'.i 19. I'm not sure that this has any.particular validity to 1 l
; 11 Table Number 5. Can you tell me? I see the ccmpariscas of
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1 1 15 take a maximum, or what? How did you get frem the tabis
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'.i l toj Q What doas this table then tell you? 'That am I ,
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-A Let me go back to why it was avan put in at all.-
( 21 . 1 i a- , When you mako a tir.e history analysia and responsa !' ,
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'8 0 As a matter of,informatien, ara you. surprised or l 1
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.4 A If you use -- I'm not really clear. Do you want 5 to give me the question again?
6 Q I think I'm trying to mix two things together . ry - 7 that shouldn't be, and that's what I'm trying to get you to G tell me.
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;I O Uhat relationship d:es this have?
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1 i 15 , A None. I thought that's whara ws wore. I Q okay. 16 l
;7 ! CUAIRMAN MILLER: Me'll have a recess at this point.
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y 7 The synthetic time-history is definsd as accel- ! 8 eration *rersus titte at discrete points. These diderste points l 4 9 are 1/100dth of a second apart, .01 sacends apart. So' in 10' the process of detsr=ining the response spectrc for this
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19 ! but that's =cre in quotes than anything else. 5.010 m 0 treuld you explain the stiffness reductica factors
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.; i 3l MR. BA!UCS: I'm not sure the record is scing to m 1
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1 5 You're comparing Figura 11 in 20 stith 4-1 in 19- ! 1 4 I rean Figure 11 in 19 with 4-1 in 207
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, m 3 A (iiitness Whits) Let me om lain how we go about 4 doing this.
5 The frequency that gets multiplied by the re-6 ductioa factor, that would be the frequency at the upper
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8 5, it,'s like 4.9. i 9 Q Now, I'm sorry -- where ara you now? i 10 A This is on Figure 11, Document 19. I 11 Q Now would you go over that again? i
' 12 A The frequency that is used as part of the 2
l 13 frequency reduction factor -- in order to u:;e these frequency L 14 reduction facters you have to hcve some frequency to multiply i [ by, okay? That frequency is the upper left-hand corner of 15l , 16 the dashed line, whi:h is -- reading from the chart - about l 17 4.9 cps, okay? 13 O All right. 19 A So'how that's the frequency that we will use 20 as the starting point.
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't ' is - I den't know -- maybe 9.7, sc=ething like that, multi-1 i ply that by .91. It gives us ancther point.
A 3k soyou3ustkeepplottingthosepoints,andthat u d . 4 t will take you from the upper left-hand corner cf the dashed S[ g . line to the upper left-hand cornar of the dot-acshed lina. 5i Q But you always use the frequency of 4.3 cycles 5 7 per second for each one of thane cultiplications, though? 3 .) A-__, Right.
.i I D Q But that ssults in another frequency, and that's 1-
.l 1 10 i . fhe one you plot?
I ' I A 11 That's cc :act. 1 12, : Q And that gives you the slanted line.
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A l ,u . 1/, If we wanted to chew the actual coordinates, g; so to speak, of each of the additional points, us would nsed is the frequancy, the new frequency and the now crectral acceler-
;7 i ation to hnve the ccordinates of each of theze points. But
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A Showing the results from 1.5 enly, hors we're 21 !{ h ; 3 d, charactericing the e.-tre=2 ccca, and perhcps f : c =pisteness
! the transition to closa eff that little pcckat in thero, it's
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- 4 A Right. l 5 And even if it did the systems.we'ra talking 6 about are not that sensitive; but we knew of nothing that l 1
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- 8. --~0 'I believe .that this is the time for you to tela !
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*l 3 me, now that I know that - Figure 11, I' presem3, is the one to that you hava.used in your actuni analyses of the equipment,
, 11 or did you use tha.one.that has been modifica, like Figura 1
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- 13 I don't guess it matters, but I would like to b i 14 know which one you used to 1cok at your equipment cEpability. 9 l
i i s 15 Both of them? l 16 A I said earlier that we used Figura 11. For all I ., 1 l .l 17 of them, I'm not sure what we did. Ua did uss with ons with ' [ !
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0 So that is the one you used to make ycur final-19 f i 71 : 'l 20 investigation? ;
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22 0 Should we have'scasons sice up hers who % news a g
/ 23 .littic coro detail about this? Uculd this ba helpfu:.?
I 24 A I can confer with him, if that would help. 25 0 All right. Why 'on't you? ' And maka surs of the 4;
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! II l cable trains arc in the sans cituatica as piping.- l I. p" ,i There asn't anything that falls in that particular pochat. l l
s C U Q All right. N ' New I'll go back to Figure 11. That is ths 1" curve the dusdida cnvelope of which was used to icok at the 1 - 16 qualificatdr.no of the equipsc.nt? I' ij
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18 Nould you describe for us in a qualitative way Q 18 how you ge fro:a this to a valuatics of the equipmant under d 3 the staps tat ara undergone, we have now gensrr. tad thic El i responso turve? 2E jii A Okay. As far as tha aquipment is cene.rned, tse o C responc s spectra that tras used for qualifict.ti:n cf tr_t n F 24 I equip :v2 c, is ccmpared uith this curvs. I 13'h '
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l many cases that you have this.
. a 5 -A I think for all the aquipment supplied by
' O Westing':ouse, wo do have that hind of response spectra.
n _ l A (Witness Anderson) There are other pieces of '
.q 4 8 equipmsnt that vers qualified maybe on a generic basis for I
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,.- l IO chseked against tais hind of acceleration, the forcas that I v - l] 14 t usuld result from this kind of acceleration at thess .,
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16 Q And whenover equipasnt is generict.11y approved, 17 if 'you wish, for certain ma::imt= acccleraticna, dcce frequency l 10 l enter into that same generic evaluatien? 19 ' l A It can if it was approved based en a response i 1 27 3 spectra. If it was approved based on just a ma::inum 21 acceleratics, taan the fraquency doesn't. u 12 Q Ecw does that fit, thcugh?
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essentially a hori=ontal line right across ct all frequencies, 6 at 20 g's.
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. that it has to survivo..in. order.to behave prcperly _in_the.
a 0 Trojan complex, that's the requirement. And as'long as this 10 th*.ng is below that, no probl6m. 11 Q I was just trying to mcha sure that the'line II vas flat, and in the frequency varsus accoloration plot As j
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l - 12 ' that the qualifications of equipuant has been done generically 14 as being a straight lins - l 15 I A A13 ' generic qualification is not for a horizontal 16- response spectra. They have a responso spectra.which 1.: a i *' function of frequency.- ! I i 10 Q They can have that?
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the piping here on this. l: j 10 A Okay. , Il . 11 . I' ' I think the simpleat is to talk in terms of tue 12 l big pipes. And in the big pips category is 2.5 inchas or i
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J 14 : 1 A full-bicwn dynamic analysic is made of the - J . I 15 1 i piping system. In other words, it's the identical process .
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2 ,. This, I believe, is the only one of these J 3 figuras where you placed and compared the original and the 4 STARDYME spectra on any of these curves. .
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;6 Look at page 6 of Licencee's E:chibit nur.ber 19,. !
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.l 18 "The STARDYNE spectrum in Fig. 31 also l q I 19 shows a third spectral paa's at about 13 cycles
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- 12. ou run down the stoop side, you find a littia plateau 'l C i 13 , centered about.10 cps. 'Okay. You keep going and there's
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15 that. Okay. That's tha third peck. It's net much of a peak, 16.; .but that's the paah. Q - And it comparas to the second peck --
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- 12 Now if we were tc take the tall building all'.
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a 21 ., 22 l 0 .in Onble 1 of 7.:iihit 19,1 where nnd when are - y q _-gq j thass .73 frac.nsncias used in thic calculction?
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S thing I~.want t,o no into. 6 DY. DR. ftC COLLO!! -
..y y 0 I wonder, on page 6, under- (f) in Exhibit 10-8 A (tTitnes a . tThite) Page.5, under....?
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12 13 "cw tell un.a littia hit in cenaral chout ,this .
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,34 vertieni snectra and tin 5r it van usad as connared'to naking
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#urther channen in that as compared to the horizontal spectra 15 l which you did nahe channes in?. :
16 , 1.,, A Theverticalspectra,ifycucrocoingtoidentifk 18 flexibility of the ficers. This would he a drunning hind
* *i-of behavior. That aspect was included in tha developnent-20 0
( 2,a of the original response spectra. And thera is'nothing that we have cena across that vould ::hanga - ncna of ' the 1 22 l , deficiencias or anything siss affect the behavior of tha g. i
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wb2 1{ includad the single nest important'effect, the drunning. l H "' 2 0 !!ow. dous that effect. cenpare to the effect of
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. s d 4 what is the order of inportance as far'as puttinn stresnes 3 '
on the ecptipment and the pipino? t 3 6 A - So'far as the vertical response on equipnsnt is w ' y concerned, nest thinna - it's under 14 already vertically. 3 So normally thinns are built to handle dead load, so normally :) gf vertical is not a.real najor problen with equipnent. 1
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, 1C ' In terns of piping, the vertical accaleration i and the horicontal acceleration are.sonauhat similar, and
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- '2 0 'I do understand that the aquipnant and piping and 3 components in all three buildings hava he a rechacked by
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( , . 8 CHAIR"Ni ?tII.T.nRt . I halieve that's it at this - L ;1 9 tina, ' than, unless there in further e:>anination by you, ; I L L 10 r. Danks. [',. y9 ?Dt. TWTKS: Stone. , CITAIRfW1 MITJZR:
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!!It. ROSOLID: Itv. Chairman, I van wondering about-e the possibiliti2s of-discovery on this issus. Is the 11oard coing to. allow discovery?
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# D, CitAIMW7 ftITJ.ER: .I would doubt it. You're in 20
' '. 'N hearina now. IF vou neod infomation I think you can probably )
21 i ohtain it hv regnact. ' n:t vour opnertunity 'is hsre neu, you u.
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3 peart ashing right now. It's your opcion. r, I suppoce, sinca you raisad the question, you
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should indicate for the racord whether or not you wish to 7 I ask questions of thesa witnesses. g! _ gl !!R. ROSOLIEr !?o, not at this tina. Il
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there wau one natter intich unf'ortunately I nn-lacted to brino 11 1, un while itr. Kafoury was hero.
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! hearine; ccmienced racsivnd frc 1 the Colunbia Environnental v 14 I
Counc!.1 n. set of .intsrroqctories. U2 have attenptad to in. 16 gi asse.'ble ansvar to thosa while tra have bean out here at the e hearing but have been unsucccssful in catting cenpic :a ensw2r. 17 l to all the intarrog' atories hrscause of the frct that ecmc of 13
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,/k , .H J 33 ( 20th of Octobar. I beliavn they we'rs filed by nail on the tb') 14 18th.
I 15 CIIAIRl!Ati IIIIJIR: All right. The Staff is given , 16 an extension of tina to and including Friday, Movanber loth, i to respond to those interrocctorias. 37 gg Are thers any othcr intorrogatorias outstanding
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.1 3 fin. RAtMS: 17e not the sane intarrecratories, but 21 we have responded.
1 g !tn. MCOLTS:"l: Ite. not tr.1s quartiens 8:= t -ia n g Envis on~.tntal Council that .m hr.vc yet to snau .r. The 1 y, r: aron that we didn't :ncune them scrlice i.1 ba;nts: upotrant1; s:: they used thasp2n. fuel ar"ien list c.nd ch:y wen: to the , I
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thing that<somshedy has raised. I g I think it is clear, but , l-g I thought if.somebody-- tiell, my people had a question about a t , to it and I thourtht I had bettsr e:: plain it again. That is - i g3 tiat we do intend to procaed with these cedifications that 12 have been discussad hora, and we expect to have them done l (~ j. s . 4 within three or four wacks. I'm talking aheut the improve- i y (. )' d -' g mants in the piping supports. 1 i GAITtMNT MIT.T.T.R: The imprevs=ent.in the piping -
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g3 So you are new requestad.- Chers will cens a f 3) - i) Qb - "~ i 34 time, howsvar, when there will be an order, at thm conclusion, w re a np ance. si 1 tU to tamer h to
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desires. But you will have s::plained to you at that tima . l t ,,o by ftr. dray the implications in tsrns of tha appt.sichility of 1 g issues of that hind. And you can confer with hi= in the nean-
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5 Anything further that we need to considor at 6 this time? g.. l 7 Ufo response) 4; 3 We wish to thank all counssi and all parties. i _ s.
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;y all counsel and the intervening parties. Ma appreciata your cooperation. Ma think ve'ra crotting a racord from which a i 12 6'
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from you or seeing you on Decamber lith. 97 13 i gg GThereupon, at 11:':0 a.m., the ho: ring in tha N' above entitled mattar was adjournod.)
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