ML20150C018
| ML20150C018 | |
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| Site: | Trojan File:Portland General Electric icon.png |
| Issue date: | 10/26/1978 |
| From: | Mccollom K, Mark Miller, Paxton H Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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| NUDOCS 7811100050 | |
| Download: ML20150C018 (185) | |
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( co n t ro l. B ul.t d.,ang o~ .(Trojan fluclear Plant) Proc: : ling s. 't 7 8 Donneville Pot ar A:lainistratier, 1002 n.E. Ho' lad: _ 9 tract, Portla:v:1, Oregon, iti Thurnday, Oct.ohc.r :
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reconvened, purauont to adjournmntr 30 9:00 .d-13 i EEFORE: id I4ARSHnLL E. IIILLE R,. M r. q., Chain m7 is Atonic SnNty and fiicancing Bo/rd. DR. EEUNH'l H Ti. IIcCOMoib P:m b c. W M PW3 Cont-) 16 l r DR. HUGH C. PAXToti, t !:rr thm:.
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1p On behnif: of I,icencaes: 20 EOLAND F. EADHS, Eq., southor, Acf Omt, Kinu.* Uilla armon & Schwabe, STmula r r 21 Portlana Oregon 9720:1. r e 4 ,a 10 0 D 1 .s y l, oo j [b ?k Ib_,b I 51
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UILLIAM I"IlfSEY, Ecq., 1002 N.E. Holladay, w Portland,, Oregon. l 3' on behalf of State of Oregon Department of Energy, 4 - Oregon;Public Utility Colmiccioner: JOHN 11. DOCOLOFSIT, Esq., Departmant of Juutice,- f' 4 l State Office Building, Salem, Oregon. 6 On behalf of the 11uclear Regulatory 'Commiabien:' y JOSEPli GPAY, Esq. and' JANE AXELRAD, Esq., Office of Executive Lc' gal Director, j-g United Statoc Huclear Regulatory Commiasion, o j Wachington, D. C. 9 '10 on behalf of Coalition for Safe Power, Intervenor, and pro so: 11 EUGENE ROSOLIE,-3926 N.E. 12th Street, l Portland, OREG011. 12 g is 14. 15 l 16 17 i 18 4 19 9 - 21 22 e 23 d-
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_. - - - - ~. i. 1049 l j' wb. 1 C,O,N T E 11 T'S 1 2 Limited Appearanco Statemento: i 3 Patricia Sexton 1055 4-' Dainy! Clark 1063 5-Brady Shooto 1069 i 1072 6' Norman Solomon y Catherino Margaret Downey 1094 I Melvin U. London 1096 a 9 Casey'Burna 1116 10 Chrin IIoogendijk 1122 11 Greg Flakus-1124 12 Roger Herner (by Eli::abeth Scott) 1129 g3-William F. Williams 1150 1Cenneth Williams 1133 i 34 ' Martha Mc!! car 1154 gg Crag rarby 1158 gg c Ann Dorfman. 1162 k _l 4 Loclie Whtit 1165 gg 1 Jonathan Waldron 1160 39 I Bob Maginnis 1172 l '20 i Daniel Platt 1173 g Mark Albaneco 1178 l g Caroline Parks 1181 r L Cameron IIubba-1188 3,, 'I Dorothy Lundahl 1191 . a,, l -. ~. -......,, -. - -. _. ,-.-....,,..--.--,--,.J
4 10 4 9 -A' i~ l wb 1 C O !! T E N T S (Cont'd) 1-a Limited Appearance fatatemento: {g 3 Valentine Homcch 1194 i 4 George Pltumsr 1224 c Beverly Stein 1228 5 6 l i
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n I i. II loSC i L . ebl-1- P'.R 0. C.E.'E D I li G S j ~ i-2' l Ont.InnM hTLI,E u - The hearing vill ccac to c;dar, I l 3 planso. 4 Ac Eyou. k.now, this in the opportunity whi.ch hai: 1 l -5 been. net:aside..both today and tomorrow for limited appcarance t l 6 statement, either oral or vritten, by thone perncnr uno i 7 desire - to acquaint-the Daard early in the procu er:inc.n.eith - l 8 their. views, raisa-questions, and to be honr0. i Pursuant - to notico,- this hearing ana been schedulej.1 9 [ l 10. for 9.:00 a.m., anci it being now 9:07, we wil) now open up i 11 the limited appearance portion of the public hcarinn-d 12 I will ask for the record if councel and. parties i 13 who are here will identify then.celver for the record, please, i 14 .MR. BANHS-Roland Banka, on Lobali of PCE, 4 ) l 15 MR. KINSEY:. Dill Kinsey, Bemuev111e rover 16. Administrction. 4 17 MR. SOCOLOFSI'.Y: John .lofsky, Statt of jg Oregon. 'L s jg MR., C RM's Joseph L the blRC Staff, 20 MR. ROSOLIE-Eugene .it. Coa 11tio for sn.. 4 21 Power. J 22 CH7kIPJibNi MILLCR: %y Other pernias or counsel? h 24 ' VC f Y WU11 ~ lie will pr ceed then to ho w fran 2W those who'wish ta make limited' appearance otatenants. i 1
, - - -. - -. -. ~ - - _ _.. - _ - __ _ - _ ~ _ _ i 1051 Cnarles Andercon i. eb2 1-In Charlec AnCorson present? F l 2 of Centralia, Oregon? l.. 3. . (No response.) '4' Jeannic Bellavita, from Door Island, Oregon? l-5 I may say these are persons:who, in co.muliance i 6-with our nctice, have signified their desira to make limited l-7 appearan'ces,'and we are according the first opportunity to j 8 those persons who, in advance,'have signified in writing i-their desire so to do. 10 (no response.) 11 Mr. Peter Borgel? 1 l 12 (No.responso.) I Estelle Brotherton, Grants Pass, Oregon? g3 (UU f"3PODE0*) 14 Robin Boyce, Portland, Oregon? p., (Ho response.)' e If any of thece persons are here, just. indicate y u r prenonce and we'll give you the opportunity to proceed - jg to make; whatever/ G ta bement you desire. gg. 4 l . 20 Lynda Byers, of Portland? L r 21 ' {n
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. 23 Phyll.is Cribby,Grante Pass, Oregon. 24 (No' response.)~ f 1 i,...w.U..-.-.-. ___..,-m., ,).. m. m._,..... .U
? 1052 eb 3 '- 1-Dorothy Cutler, Portland? i. f.. 2 - (No responce. ) - l 3 Virginia Domfarocki, Portland? 4 (tfo response. )' ). 5 11argaret Downey, Portland?- j-l 6 (No response.) !i I ~ f,- 7 Malcolm Drake, Grants Pass? ji O (No response.) 9 Kenneth Duko, Eugeno, Oregon? 10 (lio response.) i 11 Poster Fell', Portland? l 12. (No response.) 13 Gregg.Flakua, Eugene? 14 (No renponse. ) 1 itj Joel Friday, Corvallis? 16 (No response.) i ) 17 S. M. Garrott, Portland? 1 1 j. 18 (No responne.) 19-Tiraathy Gillraan,Corvallin? 20 -(No recponse. ) 21 Robert Gould, Portland? L 22 (No responso.) j_ _. 23, . Eleanor Gunn, Grand-Rondo? i l 24 (No response.)- 25' Douglas Hensler, Portland? i i n: )> 1
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eb4' 1 (No response.)- i -2' Dennic Hicke:/, Portliind? h 1 j 3 (No. response.) 4 Mark 11111, of St. Helens? t 5 .(No responce. ) i
- 6' Eric Isernan, Corvallis?
s l 7 (No response.). O Charles Johncon, Salen? j ?. ~~( 11 0 response.) 10 ,Margorie-Kund&ger,St. Helenu?' 4 11-(No responr.e.) 12-Melvin London, Lincoln City? 13 (No response.) 14 Tom Lynch, Eugene? a. i i 15 (IJo responce.) a { 16 Totry McAuliff, Dear Island? 9 17 (No response.) a gg_ !! artha McNear, Portland? j.' i .10 (No response. ) l 20 Doreen Nepom, Milwaukie? 21 (No response.) 22 i,arry - Nielsen, Cervallis? 23 -(Ho response.) 24 Caroline Parks, Portland? , 25 '. -(N retponse.) p o u _._ g - . -_.,_ L...
1054 e-i eb5- ~l Charle:? Partch, Sunn?/ Valley? 2-(no response.) 3 Sandford Pitler, Eugene? l -(No'responce.) 6 David Pollack, ' Eugeno? 0 j (No response. ). ) p 1 7 Andrew Prichard,.orvallis? i ,i - B (No response 4 ) I j-9
- Dean Priddy, Port 1cnd?
10 (No response.) 1 11 Dienno Quayle, Columbia City? 12 -(No response,) 13 Robert Richardson, Portland? 14 (No response.) 15 Thomas Roun, Eugene? 16' (No response.) 17 Eli::abeth Scott, St. Helens? l 10 (No response.) 19 Fatricia Sexton, Portland. ! You're first. You win. If you wish, you may be F } 21 seated at the table and use the microphone. 1 l' 22 MR. HANC11ETT : Mr. Chairman, becauce of the pcor 1.. 23 lighting in liere, one of the TV crews him anb>d ii tney ecn ~ p-24 use some artificial lights of their own, which in ordinaril.' -h 25 contrary co commission policy. 3 m I t ,.4...e.._4....__,.__,_md.
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p, 10 F& J i 4 i j obE 1 CHAIRMAN MILLER: If they are no t exceedingli l' ~2 . bright, in viou of the fact that we have the (e.cilitiuc, 3 You are Patricia Sexton, 2027 M.E.
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Portland, Or'egon. l ~S MS. SEXTON: That's correct. i 1 6 - CIIAIRMAN. MILLER: Thank you. And you have indi-l 7 cated your desire ~to make a limited appearance statament'. 1 4 i 8 We are happy to have you do so. ) J l 9 LIfi1TED APPUT*.RANCE STATEMENT Oi' PATRICIA SEXTO i, 4 i 10 2827.M E. IRVING, PO RTL7d?D, OP.EGON. 3 I 11 MS. SEXTON: Defore I star ted I uunted to loins. 1 3 J 12~ out that a lot of people.may be under the minconception that 13 the hdaring ctarted at - 9 :30. _I,1.'ycelf, vaa under that mire 14 conception until last night, so that may be- 'he :cason for t 15 a lot of. people not being here already. So I nunpect we 4 j 16-see some people showing up late. I 17 CHAIRMAM MILLER: Well, we wil] cortainly be glad i 18 to, accommodate them. 19 MS. SEXTON: I.'am just going to read this as I 1 h 20 have it written here, and t. hen hcnd a copy of it to the 21 recorder. 4 22 Today.I would'like to briefly address the isouc L23 of whetho3: or.not;to allow PGE to remy"e opern. tion of the i i 24 Trojan 11uclear Power Plnnt, in spite of certain serious I design deficiencies in the walls of its control room, 25 h\\ d' 1 n
!j. ,. I ' ' ~ -logg l i 4 s- 'I } 1: ] i l- ~ af f acting ita-over-all ' integrity and sbili by ' to d thatand. eb7 2-moderate to sorouia earthquake. l l (, Thia is not my first tima to corao before thia i 3 g
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i I 6 nuclear physica but an a citauen concernad with taking; rac-i 7 ponoibil3 ty in the decinionc which affect ny life. l. i j l 0 I hope that you.nlao will lic/c no ao / cm ^ csp an - i I O sibility to liuten to my questione, cue t?.m serion:dy, m 10 . integrate them into your decinion -m'i:ing proc 2cc f d t 11 I This time I would like to haar cu mon P 1.r.' i I '12 questionn also. A vritten reply will be acceptchle. rai m i h. 4 l ' h i3 point o'ut that I never rcccived enawarn to any of tho quet-s 14~ tions tJiat 'I raibed at tho apent f ucl modiF.< ::ation hea:-inga a \\ l 15 in January, 1978, either written or verbal. 16 The f act:., that e have to war' w.th in thic r 17 issue arn, as you know, of a twofold nature. iihile ec iplyiag 18 with a new tinc security regulation,-Bechtal e.fncovered in y 19 rebruary that (1) tho minforced cLa ?1 in the control roc, i i .wa.ls was not.. continuous, as requirca,ay tne m.g;n a t nuaer b i .s.0 l 25 and'(2~),.the quantity of reinforced creal in the - il s u.r t o j l 22' drsfi'cient. 23-Both of those. discover! > r::.i. 1 ac.r: ~.: a d."; uhich 24 about'the control recm'- ear tkn-.ake in tag.. city, d ouh.r. 25' cannot be taken ' lightly. n- .if
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.about by carthquake activity could d a nge thc. Ielicat^ circuitry without which the safe chutdoun of-the plant could 3 .. h. 4 become difficult and perhaps itgossible. The implications I d(. J .5 -of'this are, of course, disastrous. '6 In May, the. I!RC found and stated that the Trojaa i 7. plant did not meet ita CBE of.15g nor its SSE of.252g. At ) 8 this time Troj an ' a OBE was shown to be, I. balieve, .1]g. Bechtel did-another study and in August, PGZ' told the URC F -S 10 that the study chowed that the ODE and SSE were in f act ahtut t -\\ 11 20 percent.below what was originally stated. This put.the 12 ODE at.08g an opposed to the required.159 i In addit-ion, one part of the control building 13 i was found to be about 20 percent weaker than the rent. t 14 i My understanding in that two computer modela a a .15 16 ,five studina have been done, and that all have com up tith 17 different figuren. The imC is now relying calely upon J Bechtel's analysis, the same company respannible for the a:.s-- 33 i, 19
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i 11ere.are my first two queations : 20 Why have no independent studies been done? An.1 1 21 why is this hearing being conducted without the input of sach n 23 independent studies? 1 Apparently PGE in now doing acre altering of ita 24 original ~ design figures, showing;the control building to
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I j. 4 find many 'issuen t!uit muut be dealt with. First,c uhat effoci 4 B could an earthquakti have upon tha deficient control roon' end ~ l G subacquently, the control of the plant itself? 1i 1 7 Cocond, what effect vould'auch damage ea the 8 control room might austain have upon the. nlant cooling 9 cya tom? Couldit lead to the failure of the synouu and addi-t l i 10 tionallv,, to the f ailuy:e ' of the as yet untee ted-r rceac.e, 11
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l .12 dont? I IIg 13 Third,. in light of the pov.ibility of control 14 room. f ailure in an es1 thquake dua no design 6;ficiency, we d t i 13 must again raisc the issue of carthquaka pat:ntial at the i 10 Trojna nito. Duc to the alleged coverup of the lE 70 cenc - 17 randum of Oregon stato governrcent geologist naymond E. 1 in Corcoran, c.vprei:ning hiu concern for the lack of geolcgical 19 studies on the thenr cones bancath the Trojun containir.ent rna 20 fuel :ouildings,,md the possibility of right la tera.1 trano-l p.1 form f aults at the Trojan site, obviously the ImC nhould nct 22' rest casy until more entensive independer L studien are under-23 taken,a0 to Trojan'a earthquake potential. a geologics foi Dm.--tal j p4 Why did. tierlyn ( Adair, , W 25: Otato,that no " boomer'rurvey0" of the Columbia River bed 21 1 t --wwe-* s.,-ee-er,E+,-y-.r+,-3,,,-, _.,,,%,_,$m_...d._, .,,,,m _,,,,,,,, _ j
1059 1 I . ebl0 '. I. the nite had ;been s tchen, when EGAG In terr ational said that 2 - they had in fact done a b uomer -survey for PC1: ;.n a u ya of 3 l. 1967,.and'why was'PGE u: aole.to produce copies of'this dctc? i 4 Furthermore, why is no one in the least upact S .'about thece discrepancica? c. 6 .The Pacific Horthwest is a region of intance 4 ) 7 geological' activity, both seismic and volcanic, past and 8 'procent. One~han only to witness the 1872 carthqucke in 9 southern Washington, the 1965 carthquake in Portland, and the l 10 very recent Mount !!ood sorice of four earthquakes in Septemkr 11 the largest measuring 3.5 on the Richter scale, and the i 12 Beaverton carthquake in ' February, raensuring 2.0 Richter. y 1 ' g 13. Recent-ceismic atudica of the St. Helens volcana I a! 14 show its seicmic activity to be up 200 riarcant in two venro. ] 15 Why bann't more attention been given to St. Helens, which han 13 been dubbed as the Cacewle volcano most 2i.hely to erupt in 17 ten years? 18 It behooves us all to chow raore concern ' about tan -10 carthquake potential of the Trojan cite, capecially now that 20 thene control defects have been discovered. W should take 21
- a. lesson from the Humboldt plant in California, Located up>n 22' earthquake fault zones which were diaminned ac no ' threat,
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k' = I i - {- 1 1 M6C ebll 1 .r.o. radiological disaster. Would we be as lucky under cimilar i 1 2 ,0.i y cumt.i: tancoc ? f. 3' Fourthly,-we must now alco, unfortunately, i l-4 question the over-all design integrity of the entire plant t- ,j; .5 .ac-a result of this new situation. During itc construction, l 6 the. Trojan-plant had a bitter history of labor clienation and 4 l 7 discontent,-wildcat atrikes, and rumora of purnnnoful 4 i G sabotage of the plant'n cooling pipec. How can wo ever knw 1 9 for nure now, particularly now, that the plant uon't fail hc 10 meet up to docign standards in other aspecta of it ope.ratior ? g i i 11-Anot.her queation: Why.in the world did T E l i i. I l 12 contract with Dechtr.:1 in auch a way that Bechtel now has ca L g 13 lichility for this defect other than the cut and out coct of i 14 repairs? They cannot be hold liable for the coat of replace-13 ment power.which PGE claims it will have to buy, duo to the 4 is chutdown, and then charge to the ratepayers. Perhaps PGE:'r ) ly entire cystem of management should be looked into further. 4 18 As to PGE's clain for the nee 6 for replacemant } t i gg powor, that being the rencon for urging that the plant recena 4 i l 20 operation in spite'of thic new danger, there.now neen:s to Pc 1 no validity to it in light of the fact that all through the 2; g L. 22 summer.and fall they have been abic to buy cheep hydro pcwor !~:g 23 from BPA. 4 ii And now, raen.bora of. the Board, I murc e a b g l l 2 questi 7n':that is directed specifically to you and your i ( '_ _ _ _ - - - - -. _ _. -..,. _,... - -...... ~ ~.. ~ . --~ N r
1061 eb12 1> function. Tho : oinple fact is that NRC.regula bioric rcquirc '2 that the OBE must -be at least half oE the ESI: of.252g, in ' other worda,.15g, in order to oparate. It has now boon. .3. 4 shown that the Trojan plantodoeu not meet its raquired.'15g 5 - OBE G Why in this' hearing happening? I'he NRC's func-7 tion is to mako cure that its regulations are being upheld. l' 0 Why cet regulations at all if they can.bo modified on a 1 9 ' whim?- Therc should be no question as to whether or not thi 10 Trojan plant can operate during ropaira. It doec not meet gj up to NRC regulations. It should not be alloued to nparato 12 until it'does. 1 13 These are my concerns and I hope I have presentud lg 14 them clearly. I alco hope that you will giva them your fuli. l l 15 attention, an becoman your duty as memborn of thin Board, 1G and that I will receive answers to all of my questiona. l 17 Thank you. CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you. If you vich, jou 10 l 39 may lodge the written statement with ua. MS. S$XTON: Okay. Should I cive it to the j.. .20. l 21 Reporter? C H A I IU M N M I L LI.s R : Yes. Mr. Biccm will takt it.
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l [ 1063 c. f.' i in r 19Pn/rtuhl I LIttr"rD APPEA1T.X2 ATimitilN'" OF nr1Inny CLATIR l',g 2 gg,,.. CLMin : ' To bocin with, I'd like to say the 3' . location of the. hearings caenc to ne, and a great m ny others 4 I've talked to, to be a. deliberate ef!!crt on the pare of the i j l l; 5 !Utc, possibly by requact of PGn, to hold them as far away [, i from the point of interest an paccible, or es: 1eentfarenoughh 'G i p -7L to discourano, if not prevent ontricht, the p:rticipad on of h ) 8 many interonted partion. 9 It scann ridiculoun.that wa are only alimmd to 10 discuss the condition of the control roca wall. How can any-i j 11 .one feel safe when that defect vos only diccovered bv acci-j. 12 dent?' '1'hore must ha sona.wav the antire inctallation can be i 13 checked for ponnible flaws, g i 14-If I, nynelf, am totally. unable to trust tecta 4 4 i 15 made by' Pcrc,- I feel all such tests or chech-ups nuct be nace i 10 by OY.pSrts, not GO-Called inSp0Ctors trained by PGE, For this 17 plant to run in its precent condition in nuainst the laus 18 au set down by the HRC. What good in tha law if rou'm 1 10 going to ch'ange it whenaver it fails to r"at the needs of .20
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inn in the recent and upconing tiuclear Regulatory Comianion 5 hearings on the defective control roen building at the Trojr.n j l 8 0 plant. 7 My decicion to nove to thin area uno part of my 8 struggle to curviva. I fled from en aren ovarrun with pollu-9 tion. My air wan poisoned. My water was poiconud. Finding to food that vac not chemicalized, hornonized, proccasad, and I 11 ' devitalized beyond recognition van nearly an impossibility. 12 The crowded living conditions an wall an tha g congested transportation nystenn made life unboarable. Orecen 13 14 appeared to ha a drean to ne. l 15 7 cano to find a new land and a new life. Blue j 16-skien, creen mountaina, flowinc rivers, and abundance of 17 cpace and wildlife, land to build and arcu en. I cane in l 18 nearch of these things. 19 And what did I find? The Trojan Nuclear Pouer i 20' Plant poisoning the air, poinoning the wator, poiconing tha 21 food chain, causing radioactivo lovels in the milk, beef, p i i 22 fish and produca of the area to rice vall bayond the levels - g' I i 23 of human safety. Thu harnful, catastrophic effects of radit -- t i ! A j 24 tion on the human beino, capacially to fetusos, infants, ? - 25 and children'has been docunented tinn and time aaain. Moct I ja l, 2 i..L......~--.
l -2065 l I mnb3 of-this'information-can be found in the deap, dark receanen of:the.beaurocrat'ic filing cyctems. 2-3 l'. IIow did I feel finding r.his oituation? I was -h 4 . totally frustrated. After ~ rejecting other areas to live in 5 l due to the single' fact of the presence of a nuclear power i 6-plant, which in the greatent throat to our axistence today, i 1 7-I have now found one.in my backyard. i O Uhat can I do? I have decided to fight, [ 0 Uhat appeared to'ne to be the heat way c'o deal t i i 10 with this problon una to turn to the leon 1 system which wac { i 1I set up for the protection of the public'c health and voll-- 12 being. Ilow pluased I was to find that public hearings were ] h 13 being conducted in Portland by the fluclear nagulatory i 14 Commission from Maahington, D.C. I looked upon this an an i 15 opportunity, if not to close the plant completely, to et leant ~16 present my cane against nuclear power hneed upon docunented 17 facts and in progresa studies ctating the dangers of radio-4 A j 18 activity on all living thinga. 19 I worked. I recearched I prepared lengthy 20 written statenenta on both My knowledere of the human body l 21 and my experience.in being a human bainq; in. conjunction 22' with reports based upon research done by qcvernmental agen- !,g i-23 cion, the nedical'profennion, induntry, nutritionalists, c d .24 spiritual. leaders, scienticta, environnantn ista, and individ- !h t 25 ualc. r l i i '-
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1066 I Inpb4L I was' prepared.to' intelligently ctate a case for \\ a non-nuc' lear futuro at the special prehearing confet"ence l. 1 hold on' July 24, 1970 My petition to tha'URC to be allouad 4 to participate and speak at thin heariner had haan accepted. 6 I had never observed the workings of the governmental process j 4 'beforo, por buon involved in any public hearingc. 7 , Howevor, I nado certain banic aaminptiona on how ( 8 the hearings would ho conducted. I capected a public hearing l ^ 9 to include the public, tobeconduce_edinaraythatwasfairf e 10 juot, honest, and open. What I found uas a public hearin T in 3 f i-11 which the public had no place. The public had no voice. Ths I 1 +; { 12 public had no opportunity to prenent the inforriation it had i I I 5 12 to painctakingly assenbled. 1 i 14 Unlike PGE, who uns allowed to apcah, raha notions,! l 15 and qcnorally participate in a way that was in direct viola-t h l 1(i tion of the rules governing the MRC,, S'ha public was denied 17 every right ctranted thnm.by these caso rules. 1 I j 10 The 7mC Roard openly viewed the public participantJ. ~ I 10 ao being layman', therefore inferior. The phoplo that had beaa! l i i .I 20 granted parmission to participate were arbitrarily ichreatened ! i [ ' 21.' with phycical removal.by a Federal Marshal. They wam denied -[ 2 - i 22 the right to speak. They were repeatedly insulted and { t I. 23 interrupted;by Mr.. Marshall Miller, acting' Chairperson of t 24( 'the'URC Board. t i-It..Wa9 obviouG t}H1t the 1MC Board felt the public 23. i t. I x s I. M.., mb. 4 ~...------ '.. - - - - - - - - ~ ~ " - ~ " ' - ' - ' ' ~ " ' ~ ' ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ^ ~ ' ~ - ' - - - - ~ ~
i 1067 ? l ~ a { mpb5 had no right and no businens at chece hearingc, avan though p' it wac the Public'a health, safety, and interest being o 3 j. decided upon. 4 At the'next prehearing a few weeks Interj a ~0 motion wan-nada'hy Stovo Willinghan, an Intervenor, to post-f l 0 pone-the hearinnn schedulod for Septonber 6 for the purpoct 7 of allowing more tino to do further ' rocaarch and independent 0 j studies on the information supplieci by PGH on the safety and a. 'O 'conutruction of Trojan. Thin notion wac denied by the Board, 10-who.were of the opinion that enoutih tima had already been 11 allowed and that in the intercat of c::pediting_ the prococaings 12 no further delays would be conside. red, 4 t 13 How the Septemiser 6 hearings have been delayed. I 14 Why? PGE nada an' error and because of this error they 1 15 havo been granted nore tino to compose their late.at inform:-- a l 16-tion. The information originally supplied to the liRC by 17 PGE van incorrect, and nou we are dealing with more in-18 - correct infornittion., 4 1-19 To not ausstion avory single tont, documentation, l r i. . 20 unalycin, report, recarmendation, et cetera, that is .l 21 distributed by PGn as tho truth in viou of their history of ~ 2P. mintake and cover-up upon mistake and cover-up in foolich - G 23 and gambling-with the public's enfety. o 24' I find it appa? 'iner that special privilegas havs i g-5 ~ 25 ' bean granted to PGE and yet.not evan the basic rights have h! a-t ( 1 yl v j s 4 ~.-...
l 105U 4 mpb6 I b6cn pernitted to the Intervenora, 1 i 2 IThy waa a delay denied to uorking pbeple who haw i 3 had to compile their caso in their aparc eine and at =oir d own expense while it van apparently crrantcd by ' n m requert ~ 1 5 of pcia? O When PGil spo%capaople nero quastic:-d.000t deln.yn 5 7 in rectarting the plant by knowleage tble citizeno, thcir min i I j O train of thought ceamed to bn the cost to tha rt.ta-payer of [ l ! O having the plant chut down. Nou that PGE by its own errara 10 is responsible for the delay in rectarting, they m m to hase i 11 for40tton about the rate--payer they Vara no concerned with 12 previously, a I 13 tiow we are involved in tho bs arinqn in 9eln j 14 My feeling at thia point ic one o' Nhy b._9m:?" Af m: tha i 13 frustrationa of the prehearingc and tho haav!adge "ht' thr: 4 16 buronueracy governing the nuclear induatry in lanu:.'em t1bli i 4 i 't 17 my feelingo of impotence han vc.ry nonrly paraly:. 0 rr,y /ill :o j i 18 survive. l 19 So I ank mysclf, Uhy bother?" I even decidcfi tn.: j t i P3 to bothar, to turn my back on the problert of thn t'orld 2h n i f 21 I have no control over. Then a3 I ra drivina along thu bigh-i a g 7 ,a 4 h .4 6 f A = 0 m gre dem end 1 m, z _ it s eun, eh m, zon, -_. i i 2el cecming to be proud of its dacaitful purpoce., cynbolizing b::e h nuclear industry uhich in running rarapant en its race to nice 25 E, 9 p+es-- g w q. w s,ges..g---gg w g-a,-w99 g ,,_g. ,.,.,w ,,----,-n.,a
4.- 1069 T l ~ mpb7.- profito while' destroying the entire earth with its irreverc-2- g ible and unimaginable catastrophic pollution. {! '3 l' I know why I bother. 'As long as there io one 4 ' chance:of. succeeding'at stopping the nuclear menace, or one 5 . hope of giving the generation to come a future, Imustbother,f .I h&ve at least one more thing that needs to 10 3 6 l 7 said to the. bureaucracy: "You're not fooling me; and you're } I 8 'not'getting rid of ma.' I'n hero to say and I will fight at 9 ovary opportunity to bring the nuclear industry to'a halt j .l 10 until the tima comon when ue may live on thic carth in harmoay 11 with nature and hope'for the future. l l 12 Thank you,, l g. 13 (Applauce.) 14 . CIIAIRMi\\N MILLER: Thank you, Mo., Scott. We're 15-glad you're here. { 16 MS. SCOTT: Thank you; I'm glad to be here. 1 1 17 CITAIRMAN MILLER: Richard Sharplous, Portland? I 10 (tio renponse.) i 10: Drady Shcots, fialino? 1 l 20; . (tio responso.). 21 tiorman Solomon, Portland?- 4 22 MR, SOLOMON: Here. ~ j .\\ - f 9 23 ' LIMITED APPEAR RCE STATEMENT OF BPADY Si1EETS l s 24 RESIDE 11T, RT 1, BOX S0, MLIMO, ORECOM 9 1 26.. MR. SitEETS-My nc.mo in Brady Sheets, and I liva 4 ) i ).;
) 37 1070 o j 1mpb8 at Route 1, Bok 5fi, Malino, Oregon. j k To ulion it may concern: nach succocaive study hao chown the control rocm . 'h-4 L wall weaker. tiow recently new defects in the cooling' system, U s Why ) the most essential safety cyntem, has been disclosed., I hacBochtelCorporation,docigner, builder,and-comptinywhosef' i 7-j. reputation in on the line, been the only one to have Otndiec done on the plant? Clearly a totally indepandent analynic of the l to 1 plant chould be performed to actermino, firct, the actual -1 J extent,of known defectsj and secondly, naybo the moat inpert.-- j 12 ant, to diccover any or all-defecto which might crict. All s g it would take is one nictake, one overlocked crack, one 13 14. error in ca'1culation, to have a catactropho co big as to naka 15 thic whole region uninhabitable for over 40 timca the length 16 of recorded hictory. i a l 17 You, the NRC, the only agency who han the authority). J l-10 - and most important, the responsibility to protect un, have nat' W-even dono your oun analycia. . hat assurances can you give 637 W L 40 Tho' people'of thic region are growin! more and. i-i. 21 moro-aware that nuclesr energy -ia being puched on na by the f J. 22' - Federal Governmsnt and PGE. 'More people are asking what-kind bh i V - of protection can' you get fro'n governmant a:Tenaicc Who :puch i 24 high-level wasto storage upon uc when even a ma-)ority of tha-I L 25 pe.ople don'ts want it, and'when even the utato government g f l .__________..._..._.__._,__,....,..._,_._,_,..,__L.44.D_-
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}. 2' g Mou that namo agency.is tryint; to rhilroad these' l ~ 3 hearings. They havo to suppresa-the.' truth by even going no 4 fatias to.diaregard their own rulea. I 5 Dut the truth will not.bolcupprocacd. We will [ 6 opposo you in the hearinga; we~ uill oppoco you on th6 balloi.:. j i l 7. Wo will oppose you in-the icgialature. Ua will confront you I l 0 at your doorstep. And we will opread the truth until nuclot.r ! c i' O powar is banished forcvar,. t li 10 Thank you. I ij 11 CHAImtAN MILLER: Thank you j i 12 Morman Solomon? gend1B 13 14 15 1G i } 17 l3 1 18 1 10 ) '20 I i 21 ^ l '23 - r f I . jg. t s'}' ~
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~ . LIMITED APPEARAdCE STAT 1G'EdT OF dOElid SOLOi10J - l A RESIDENT OF POP.TtJtuo, OREGON 3 l i MP.. GOLOMon: My name is gorman'Golomon, and I-4' E ~ live in Portland,.oragon.. I've livoa in Oregon for eight 5 years. 4 6 I must confena rhat I'm increasingly viewing NRC 7 .l hearings as comei-hing of' a death ritual, part of a larga t U 1 tradition which we scern to be developing. And on that note, i o I would -like to make a couple. of brief comacutu about the ~ 2.- a 10 context of this particular hearing and then uova on to more 11 long-term substantive matters. l 12 I think.the timo of day, and the fact that thio N is on a weekday is very unfortuncte. Host people in this j 14 cociety, of coursc need to work to carn a living. And '. mat e 4 / I "c. the NRC implicitly-is acking of then in tha'> they take tinn i M off from work at come expanco, particularly if they don't i t l U happen to be in very high-paying executive jona, to coue i E to this hearihg. I think it's Very unfortunata that ua U - 1 cannot have c +1(c statements invited on weekday evenings i, l 20 ' or weckends. l 21 I'think, nimilarly, the locationu are unfortunate t u 22 Ideally, there would be hearings all over the'ntate, includQg, l ra 24 of cource, right in tbc area of the nuclear plant iteclf 9' 4 2- - Columbia County. 1 g h la. But perhapo it'a an expr.cssion of the recognition 2. 4 } ...-~-.--.x.-.=-
1 l< t 1073 1-4 agb2 from th'ose who are sympathetic to the l nuclear industry that h Colulabia County's support for Trojan is rapidly dilainishing, ~ 3 thatithe hearings are not ncheduled for Columbia County, f l -4 Another factor to note is that those who take 5 part in these hearings advocating the startup of Trojan 1 G are fundad by the nuclear-industry,with a few exceptions, I 7 but generally they're on a payroll to say-what they're saying. i '( j In contrast, those who are. working against nucl<sar; [ f 9 j power in thoce hearings and elsewhere, with virtually no 10 exceptions in Oregon that I know of, are not on the payroll f Il to do so. I think that raises a question of vested intarcst., 12
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13 { 14 place in these hearings and elsewherre. 1 I l IS That said I'd like to got into more of tue long-t t 3 I 16 range suustance of the matter. f I j 17 Soraething that immediately comes to mind whc.n ( I 18 we look at the history of this latest fiasco with Trojan,. l l 19 over the past seven taonths or so, has to do with the credi-- l 1 20 bility of the Licensco. l j' 21 I don't think thora's enough tilac schaduled to a 1 l 22 give :any kind of comprehensivo litany of the problems which e { 23-PGE bacLcreated through its own mondacity and its own 1, [ j .24 only passing acquaintance with the truth, l d5 I think for all tho' things they've done right'-- i ii i ______..._-~.______.____._____-,_...__..____,_,._..__.___.--__._i,
1 I 1,. l. -1074 } I, e i 1 'agb3 .and'I'nocico that their -Pub 3ic Relations Department is runnincj .i . fairly well -- they've done a lot of thingn wrong, and the a 3 margin of error for nuclear industry in not suppoacd to bo 4 [ terribly tolerant. The tolornnce level is not supposed to a i 5 l be real largo. 1 6 PGE'u 'c' edibility has been particularly called r i '7 - into question in relation to specific nuclear incidents at i 0 l - Trojan of an accident and taichap cort of natura. I'd like to c" j' run into a couple of thoac triefly becaunc I think it anyc f N a whole lot about the.nituation that we're procently facing. l II I think in a court of. law, the credibility of the wic ences i t ..12 are very much at iscuo in terms of gauging the tone and tenoi g and reliability of their tontimony, 13 i l'I ) There is a proccac known as impenching the witnens. 15- 'I think in this case a full airing of the record will shcw l 1 10 [ that PG12 is very much ready to be impeached on the record of 1 l 17 their own conduct in tuo past. 1 IG One'of thoso questions has to do with the ir-l J j 10 radiation on April 5 of two workern at Trojan. Initially' ] j 20 the. readings which wara given ucro l'7 and 14 retna full-body j t P.1 .doso for thoco two workers. l l l 1 1 92 During the refueling, later 1charatory readinga ): j l 23 found the full-body doce re.diation. to bc 27 retas and l'7 retau ) 3 '24 for those workers.: 4 25 Now on top of that,,the coquence of events'was F 1 l '. 1 ' =E se,+emw N +. w o vm-w ,--.. e. . h > =wo-. --, e-- = = __ - - - - - - - - - - - - + ~ - - - -.
4 i. 1073 3 l1 p .agb4-comethingLwhich would very much call into question tuo credibility, oponness and dircat honesty of Portland General 3-j. Electric Company as Licencee of that plant. l 4-For onecthing, PGI!: naturally was very proud of 5 their.first refueling of Trojan, and they invited tha newa G Unfortunately, with the reflectica c f me.lia. in on-guided tours. \\ 7 the fact that things don't clwaya go ao pinnned, the.radia-0 tion accident took place only hours before the scheduled 9 i tour of a lot of. the regioin by the. media. 4 10 This was nomathing of a public relationd night-11' mara for enterprising promoters of nuclear energy in the ^ 12' 2 Pacific Northwest or anywhere., . h So naturally what they did was atoneraall it, ) 14 . guided the reporters through the reactor building within l not many yards'of uhore the irradiation hed happaned earlier I in the day. I7 I think thcir conduct of this in n nicroccam of IU what we've acen in the laat cavon months relating to the ~ .w progrencion of lack of information, partial iMormation and a n'o 4 - lator-to be revised informatio'n having to do with tue 1 0 "9 -carthquake problems with-the-ualla nud with the cafety-22 related,eIuipment;ao well. 'j~ 1 ' And that in that when th6y were confronted with. l ). 23 l-2i an,.uncomfortabic situation, they> proceeded.oh.a' course that-Y .wouldclater on allow them to racoup their lossos.as quickly. i' ) l/ w w.-en .e.. -..--..-~.~.-_,.-...-.-_.---________m__- _____-,-----e---. ".,.-o--.=.---,e*
...g. L l' 1076 'l agb5-as possible,.cuen if that maant that they would cut a lot. 2 of cornera.in terms of candor c'r openness o'f inforcantion. C' 'In this case,~they withheld inforantion about 4 that accident from Eho newar medic, even though thay were I j right on-site, I think very c1ctrly becaunc they '.!cre hoping i G that tho-initial laboratory reports would show the accident l L7 to be not very sorious, of courso, the oppouito teak place, i i G It turned-out to ho the largoch irradiation of workera.in D. the hinieory of cc:mtercial nuclear power planta. IO I would footnote that I think - to hedge on.r.au l' l I l'1 total of the truthfulness of that statement by caying 12 .the largent reported radiation at a cor=arcial nuclear l 1 I 'I g-13 reactor. l _1.500 M i I have. spoken to workcrc who cucar to me they i i is would never got a job in the nuclear or countruction industry i ii: 1 16 if they were to go public with their cun involvement a.n 1 i l 17 problema at Trojan of a radiation or conctruction nature. { l i to Nevertholoca, it was the largest reported i; i 10 incident. i l l 20 'The next day after the irradiation, va had I) I l 21 articles in the newspaper and on masa medin -.clochronic l [ i mass media -- quotin'-Mr. Ron Kathryn, who, at that time, } j n g l c g3-yas. health l physicist'for Porbland General Electric Co:apany, l 2f whoL has since moved on to. Other ' ventures with other interests. =. to thw e a y([ p 9 e fe y4 e l p o Y' 1' / '
__~ e 1077 1 'I' agb6 he did not think it was a' serious. radiation problem.at all. 2 And.with people's indulgence for j ust a second, 3 I would like about'one uinute or 30 seconds to got that 4 document, bef.catme I think thah'll be helpful. 5 CHAIRMi\\N MILLER: Very well. l 6 (Pause.) 7 MR. SOLOMON: .'I think this is a microcosm, a l l 0 raflection of a pattern wa've had and I think it is worth i 9 it to go into'it in uomo detail. 10 On April 6, Ron Kathryn, from Portland Gencral 11 Electric Company, issued a statement in which he said, 12 and I quoto - opeaking for the company: 13 "The exposure that theno men rc-14 ceived is about the sa'mc an a person could 15 expect to get from an upper and louer gastro-i ( l [ 10 intestinal tract X-ray examination. A.nd it J 17 is belou the level where biological effects 18 can'be' detected." 1 19 This, of course, was for consumption of the medic l l j' 20 and tho general public in tho immediato after: cath of that 5 21 particular incident.at Trojan with the radiaticu of those 22 workers. 4-I 23 Now, the ' IIcalth Roscarch Group, located in -j4 - . Washington,'D.C., contacted John Bailar, Editor of the Journal 1 h 33 of the National Cancer Institute, who's an crport on the f r 1-i -, - _. ~. -. ~. - - - - - - - ^
l r 1-1078 j i g L l - agb7. advarse effects of radiation. j g They relayed Ron Katluryn's statement to Dr. l ' 3 l l' Dallar and asked for his -connenta. Dr. Bailar'c responco I'h. 4 i Wac as follows: Ill ' Radiation doces that brackot the range i i G j of 14.to 17 rema, quite clearly cause-cancor.of i the-breast and cancer of the thyroid glEnd in d i 8 [ human beings. It is very likely that such docca 9' cauno cancer of many other organa as well, i l "Further, it is difficult to undcr-( } l stand why a responsiblo official vould aturaupt U 'N -to equato uhole-body radiation expocurea wauch 4 h I3 as those workers received to radiation doses I I4 largely confined to a few abdominal organs." 4 C Now, ac Dr. Dailar says, it'a difficult to under , i i 4 N' stand why a responsible official vould maho such statementc. }! s i 17 Dut.'on-the other hand, it's not ve.,ry difficult to understand p [ -f0 -why.a nuclear industry of ficial would make such statemento. 19 .And I think it's part of a pattern, which is to j t l l try to cut all tho' cornera poscible in trying to reprocent l1 }' ] 2.1 -.,:what is, in fact, going on in this cituation.- An'd the time r .e. .2 ij has'como where the public is more and more diccatisfied i 23 -with being fed what la,.in nany cases, outright distortion I 24 of. fact relating to thece incues. 1 25l Now the whole question of radioactive-9aute s l .v' h t'
1079 9 1 1 agb8 ntorage in not wf. thin the particular limits of these hearinric, 2 but 7. would like..to notu for the record that, in utny reapacts, I 3 l Portland Gonaral Electric Company's entire precentation to 'h 4 the people of this region for the past 10 years over the S 6 question of nuclear waste storage hac been one of continually ( ) roscrved information sharing. In other words, they do not tell the truth, D or they are very sparing with'information that they do provide.; 9 They release it at their convenience, And I would like to l 10 very briefly summariac a couple of those points. l 11 When they built that nuclear plant, they told ? ?" the people of Coltrabia County and thic region thGt ::. hey voulc 13 h be no long-term radioactive vaste storags in Grecom They f i 14 talked about from four to six months in the cpent fuel pool '{ l i F3 at Trojan, 16 In 1976, when they were confronted with the f 1 17 Safeguards canpaign, which even then got 42 parcent of tha N vote even though it was outspent more than five to ono k l O even though, according to PGE, in th ir advertising e 'O literature it amounted-to an outright ban of nuclear power 21-in the stato -- they said that there would bc no long-torn .22 radioactive waste storage in thic chate, that it.would bo 4 23-chipped and stored in safe conditionc out of tha stata. l 24 That document was entered into the imC record in January 23 at the spent fuel
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m_ .a ( 4 i ,,J. try.tng co take care or~ t.acir 2. maga proclcm u m. una.:.enm i i i EG q amount oi' damaga ar pocsible. Thcy'ra trying to trca.seda, I ( 'J ac nuch ac pcanible, having r.o p:ty " mot ry dar ', z..o PG.L. i i 11 I o 22 !! They're not a dicinte::estad party. 1 ( u, u.dyoe.uhae erm com hcm _ m. ncchea i -l } 2', d, in baing asked to provide the d, _a > n schi;h W i: d;aision i I i ) i i } 3 0 ng to bc Rado. '!C X'.h i njr that's recrehencii.jlt M 4i 4 i a f 1 4 h i 3
i T l i 1081- '1 j-agb10 I think that for Portland General Electric Com-h .pany and Bechtel to be providing, in effect, the only data 3 upon which thin.dociaion'is. going to be based, is a travcat,y. O a It's. kind of liko nsking to fo:t to check the mechanisma-
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I don',t tMink At8 s 6 viable, I don't think that it would hold water in other 7 contexto, but I think uo are -in dangor of cecing thio. happen. O In addition, the credibility of the Regulatory 9 ' Commission-itself is in queation hero. There are a number of 10 instances where nuc1 car plants have been decignated aa safe 11 and fino and dandy,'and lator on we find out that there are 12 . prob 1 cms, cerious probinms. .h The predecescor to the NRC, the Atomic Energy 3 14 Commicsion, of course, approved tha Enrico Fermi Muclear 6 -Plant. And I think the statement that we almost lost Detroit, j N which was the title of a. book published by neaders DijLgpji - l 17 not a wildly envirqmnental institution -- is accurate, if ) IU we look at the hiotory of uhat happened at Enrico Fermi.' 'Il But it speaks very-much to the regulatory'procesa as.well. 30 Humboldt has been mentioned. I think the curren: l 21 prolonged fianco with the Skagit.licanaing and noi Okagit, 22 ' t, appears,. will never be buil't, 'is another indication of hour. i .g 231 it takes Intervonora, often operating'on a choactring, to 24 bring out facta that the uncicar Regulatory Commission,' with 25 all its highly-paid.' Staff'and large budget and the utility,
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~.. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _. _ _ _ _. _ _ _.. _ _ _. _ _. _ _ l- '083 ' i - 1D 0 1 j-URD/mpbl Tha imC's credibility. is in' question hora, and.I i i L 'O think that la accentuated 'by the way that thcoa. hn:tringo base 3 .been conducted thus far; although I uould like to.believe h 4 .that the Board uill.give a full airing to all' the issues in-U volved. 1 6 I think it alao speaks to the c::troms roticanca -7 ao'ifar of bhis Atomic Safety and Licencing Board to insist 6 on independent data. Tho longer' that thic (Jocc on, the more 9-the credibility that ramains for the nuclear Regulatory 10 Contninaion in going to be further weakened. 11 Onc' of the contentions which has been enthusiastic ~ 12 ally embraced uith comothing bordering on the obscene by the 13 NRC Staff had to do with the concept of connervativo standards, 15 and that in that, Well, ua've had these aMndardo for the i j 15 nuclear plant and this van tho' uay that uc were going to be i l-16 ensuring that this. in a safe way to operate a nuclear fissicn 17. process; but.cince no couldn't-nanage to havn eny kind of I [ 18 docent chred of quality control at thic plant at the most i 19 embarraccing times it comen out that the plant in all acrcucd i t 20 up;in the control building'we're going to change our standtrda. t [. 21 Hell, this is a real interesting concept of quality n ( 22- ' control, it's an.interonting concept of standards and of i 23-licensing. il i 24' That. nuclear pinnt han'an operating' licence. Nov gk 25 .I parsonally don't think that it'should.have nn operating m-'e t :=mmu-m+ m a "N'" NM ..hhhmww erF emi-um.t ae rwta = e e-en ' ww e sw up-emw=weemse - wiu uma w=. e 1$ d'-P'-FwwwM w W r+'w 7 v eI
l 1034 l f-t i i mpbh2 'I. 'liconse on any hacis. Eut the fact in that if wo're going to 2 go with the fiction,that we have a Regulatory Com inaion that [' -operaten to see that nuclear plats thencolven operata cafely, 3 I I[;$ then at leaat we ought to take the HRC at'ite word. It hac 4- { 5' ctandards because thone standarda are needed. It han a regula-l I 6-tory prococa because that's needed. And it has en operating 7 licenso which it is willing to issno pursuant to certain i f I complianco by the company. The company bec not complied with E' the terms.of that licencc. c 10 Nou what we'ra having is a virtually unprecedentea j 11 process of saying, Well, actually tho Muclear Regulatory 1 12 Commission Staff la going to recomtend that uo go ahead and 13 let the plant operate on an interim basin, in violation of 14 its operating licence, i 15 How if they'ro able to rapair the plant so that in j 16 meota the termc of the operating licenso under -shich ih van 17 allcuod to go online in the first place, then that's fina. I 1. L 18 But why are they haing - uhy is PGE haing encouraged by the [ 19 NRC Staff's advocacy, boing told that it 'is going to be allouct. [ 20 to operate on an interim bacin'in violation of its own lican s j 21-i 'That really stinks. I t j 22 I.mann, a' lot of people are amalling a rat. It Ik ! 23 doesn't ring true in'terma'of any kind of orderly process. [.. 24- 'I think they chould concider the qucation of-p. quality control in the Trojan Huclear P6wer Plant. Ordinartly ig V
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i 1035 I mpb3 1 you manufacture, say, como tiren,'and it' turns out that they I { 2-aro not cafe, and no you recall them; and that's what's been [g 3 h'ppaning with Firestono in the last few weeks. a Or-you build 4 [. g come kind of building and you find out it's not structurally -- 5 sound,.maybe because it falls down, maybe becauce you choch t G the blueprinto after it'n built; and maybe there's a loss of i 7 a'few livea. '8 1 What we're talking about here is a rick of dimon- ~ ~G sions which are unparallelod in hurtan history. And even these i 10 who advocate development of nuclear power acknowledge that. 11 They -just say that the risks are so small that it 10 not an t 12 appreciable problem. }' 13' i $ .But we're talking about extremely grave risks, I j 1.. 14 think, by any account. i 15 What.we have haro is a nuclear plant which has 16 demonstrated time and time again that it has only a passing l 4 acquaintance with the concept of quality control or quality .17 4 18 annurance. About the only thing we can count on is that thcy 19-don't have significant quality control at that nuclear plert. ; i 20-If we look at the record 'of what's happened in the I 3 last coven months in relation to theco particular icsues of I 21 22' the1 carthquake stanciards not being met at 'tha plant, we find i 'g 23 L that the Applicant, in:this caca the Licenoca, PGE, can't 24 even keop ita story atraight. It's kind of liko'trying to if shoot _a drunken quail or sonothing, you know, overy time you 25-i o l' l 4
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.i I 1086 I mpb4 try to draw a head on him - Toll, what is, going on here, O- - 'E -according to your story,~then thby're bobbing and wanving 3 and they're changing their otory and suggocting that they 4 I g. don't know what their tentimony io going to bo. Ent they're A i 4 5-cure that.poople.uill be able to deel uith it-when it e 6 - finally comes along, ac coon :c-it.docc, or hopafully as scoa 7 as possible, and co on and so. forth. j 6 So-we've had'a number of ctudica cince the initial 9 announced diocovery that the control walls wora nah up to i 10 carthquake ctandards. We've had that story changed coveral 11 times. We've had some of the fi::ed camponents of the analysis 12 rearranged ac though those annlyzing the data, nachtel and 1 13 d-PGE, started from their'concluciona and then worked backwarda 14-and nade adiustnents in their calculations in order to come 15 up with the desired result, i '1G - And now we find thoro'aro problems with safety-I i 17 related equipment ac well. And it sccmn to ha this kind of 18 mysterioun problem which we'ra starting to hear about but 19 noone acens to have a firm handle on, and.ws're going to ace 20 . what.comen out of the computor, and co on and n fakth. ?,1_ This again geta back to thn innua of independent 22 . data. 1-think it's-totally. unacceptable on any seinntific e Ip else h b h 724 On DOChtel'S data. And thc. Problem iG aC00ntuated UhOn US'V9 g. 25 got"a: nituation where the-data caems to change from ucek to e i ~%'^ _,Y T Y*** W? YW*M -- - " * " " '~
i. l-l: 1007 i i I mpb5' week. i 2 Nou I think aleo'wa should look at~theco questions I 3 that I've raised in the context of the urgency for startup I. 4 of the plant. I think.davalopments have shown that it is net-t 5' l. urgent to start up the Trojan nuclear Power Plant. I I 6 There have boon two najor rencono advanced,public r ly for-the supposed urgency to start Trojan. One hau hoen 7 l I O that the rat 9payoro of Portland Conoral Electric company arc 9 going to suffer if the plant is not started. The othar ic j 10 that there in a need for Trojan's power, i 11 Deginning with the first oM: l c2 12 When the governor of thic stata wrote to the HRC g and also the Chairpercon -- rather, the Commissioner of the 13 14 State Public Utility Commission alco wrote to the NRC, they 15 both used as their arqunant for swift startup of Trojan that 16 ratepayern waro going to ha stuck uith an incroacc in the 17 costo on their bills for clectricity if Trojan wasn't started 10 up. 19 Wall, Trojan has been shutdown cince the middle. 1 20 of March of this year, and the ratna have not gone up. Whot'c i 21 more, Portland General Electric' Company'c attempt to got a 22 surcharge becauca of Trojan'a chutdown condition haa baan 23 formally rejected by the State Public-Utility commission. 24 PGE'first went for a 33 percent surcharge during shutdown of l 25. the plant, then they-reviced it to 20 percent, and not onc f i
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I think it's significant that the initiala for an invector; 6 owned utility ic IOU. 7 But,. at any: rate, the stockholdars are auppoca.6 6 l to be able to take the loss, and in effcot that'c directly e I i O what PUC Commincioner Charlos Dnvin told to tho' company, t i 10 They anid, "We're not going to give you a curcharga at all 11 to tho ratepayers, lot the stockholdora take care .f it." i 12 I think that takos care of that argument, unlena g 13 it's the duty of the HRC to protect the investmente of car - i l 14 tain' stockholders.' l 15 The cocond point on need for power in also evident: i .16 Wa don't know of any examplec of any lightbulbs that have gone t l 17 out in thin region nu a recult of the fact that Trojan hac l t 18 not generated a kilowatt of olectricity since the niadle of 19 March of thic year. Of cource, the ctorica have chddWdd au. 30 - many;timan-from'PGR about.thc.poner cituation in terma of ~ 21 - cnorgy raplaccmont costo that it'c hard to koop treck. 1 22 But tho atory this wech bainti put out to the modia lg L 23 in that. POE has been able to buy replacement pcar # rom an [ {
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i 1089 L I .that the nuclear program in the Udrthwcat is donigned to kaap I I' mpb7-i 2 g-the lights on in Phoenix and Los Angelec. 3-So I think on both thoco counta it's pretty cicar 1 4 .that there is nc urgency for startup:other than for the i I S stockholdern of the company and for public relationn for i \\ 6' ll the nuclear industry. i 7' l I would cubmit, though, although-I don't claim to 0 have'any regard for the long term wall being of the nuclear 9 industry,-that it's going to harm the nuclear inductry in the i 10 long run, and particularly the Nuclear Regulatory Commission 11 if your credibility la no damaged by a curcory henring procarc l l 12' on these iacuos. ) 13 I think if the Licenceo can't even get itc own 14 analysis otraight, it's going to look pretty poor if you 15 railroad this interin licensing through. 16 About ten days ago Ralph Mador wrote a column in 17 .which ha quoted from a new book which has just been titled ~- 18 I think it's vory significant as an overvicti with what has 19 bcon happening.with Trojan and around the country - the tit]c 20 ~ of!the book is' Licht Water: How the Nuclear Dream Dinsolves. 21 -It's by Irvin nepp, who'n an economist, and John Claud Dariar;, f22 who.is a physicist'and angineer. 'O1D 23 24 1
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.. ~ _ _ _ _ 10 E l le abl' 'l They spent about 15 ye'trs working with nuclear '2.045 2 power.programa in Franco and the Unitad Statea. I'd lika j .3 to briefly quoto from what they've written, 4 "For nearly a quarter'of a century, t i i l '5-the theology of nuclear power, unchallenged and 6 unchallengeable, was accepted by a variety of i I 7 diverse interests. Rarely did those who seized 1 0 on nuclear power as a means to their own ends know 9 its actual economic and technical statua.
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.1 P. fidels and suatain the faith of the converhod. 13 "The result, a circular flou of calf-14 congratulatory claims, precorved the discropancy i IS between pronico and performance." 16 There has been somo.mantion today al. ready of tho 17 f act that the original findings on the geologia.11 stability 10 .of Trojan have boon called into question. I think it's an 19 arguabic. point : about whother there is a more. carious ear th-P.0 quake problem in terms of the geology-seianology at the site i 21-than had been thought during the licensing:by those who 22 approved the licence. d ' There ware also arguable insuca at liumboldt and 23 Dialblo Canyon, at Skagit, at' Indian Point, and elsewhere,
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1031 L ob2 -1 Now this becomas particularly acute when you l 2' g talk about interim. operation of a nuclear plant where we l. 3 are going to significantly lower the standards for purportoi 4 j ' safety at the same time that those iacuas have been raiced i i. S about the seismic atohility. Those two factors in combina-6- tion I think make it untenable to grant interim operation Ie '7 permission for this' nuclear plant. 8 I think what we have acen at the bane of what's l 9 beon happening with Trojan over the past several yearn is f 10 an expression of adminictrative arrogance by those in high i 11 level executive positions, and that has involved a situation J 12 in which those who administor believe that they can changa g 13 reality by what they put in their files, unut they duplicato l 14 .on their xerox machine, what they pronounce through their i j 15 public relations efforta, i l 16 The ecosystem is not oc ranpoctful of the power 17 of public.rclationc nor of administrativo double-talk nor 18 of insufficient scientific research, and we're finding in y 19 radiation standards that have been continually reviacd down- [ 20 ward'that what is changing in not the offects of radiation, l' 21 what in changing is the administrative perception of those 22 effects. ig [ '23 It's a very important distinction. Another way 24 to Gay it' is that the map is not the terrain. And if you're ~ 25 . flying,according to a map that says there is no mountain at. t 4 + .-.~
!.l l'092 l eb3 1 a certain clovation in a cortain space and it turno out tihere ' 2 is a mountain' thero, once your aircraft hao crashed into 4 3 the mountain it doesn't help you at all to reflect that 4 af ter all, the map aai.d" there was no mountain thoro, 1 5 I think the f act that the radiation standards 1 '6 continuo.to come down and that'Dr. Thomas Radford of the [ 7 DEIR Commiasion has gone ahead and caid that they chould be i 0 reduced by'a factor to.1 of the current leveln i;c very 9 significant. 'Dr.11adford alco has endorced the methodology i l -10 of the Mancuoo study and the covarup by Dr. James Liverman i 11 of the ERDA has been exposed in Congresaional Ccamittee by 12 the Subcommittec chai2:ed by Representativo Paul Rogers, 'in 13 which he was found in an out-and-out lie. Thic is documented g; 14 by Science News magazine, which I-think is a very reputable 15 sourco from any standpoint. i 16 I would like to wind up'my presentation by caying 17 that 'I think we need to extrapolate and 4 r torpolato from onr ll ja .' experience, both with the' nuclear industry in general and c i to with Portland' General-Elcatric Company and Trojan in parti-- i L 20 cular, and'what uo find is a lack of competency and a laci L - l' 21 of direct honesty ' to an extreme. 3, lL f[ ij 22 We have a situation where the thresholds keep 23 rising of what we find acceptable, and o'ur standardq koop p n 24-falling. We can't allow this to happen. g If-the interimLlicense takes place, we are going .- ll l. . - - =... - -..
E d' r I' 1093 eb4'. 1 to be stuck with a oituation where the standards have been 2 porvorted and undercut. i l 3 At the came time thorc'c another exmaple of our h 4 threshold rising. According'to the Orogon Health Division, i l-5 radioactive cobalt-58 isotopes have been found in river i G' bottom algae right outside the plant in the river. No are j 7 told that there were three picoeurie readings about a year 8 and a-half ago, and then a couple of months later there vera, ] i I' 9 01 picocuric readings, and we were told that.Woll, it wasn't 4 i j 10 too-bad, it wouldn't got worse, the first time. And then 11 the accond timo we were told it wasn't too bad, but it got 1 12 worse the second time. I think that speakc to the threshold 13 problem we have. g 14 I would like to briefly mention a couple of mora 1 15 pointo before I'm done. One is the fact that according to i PGE the Trojan reactor uns subject to 600 percent over-16 l: 17 pressurization. This is a documented fact, 600 percent over-i 10 prosaurization of the reactor vessel at Trojan before it went ^ 119 on line. c I {. 20 I will'be entering i'nto the record with the i .21 . recorder here a document which shows that to be a fact. !D 22 I also would like to'offor into the recard.an a ~ =23 affidavit filed by Dr. Jolin U. Goffman, who has a Ph.D. de y: ce i s i-24_ iin-nuclear' physical-chemistry from.the University of l j. !25 ICalifornia at Berkeley. I'm curo the.Lican'aing Board here io-e ili -
1 i l 1094 l I ob5 '- 'I aware of his background, that ho accisted with diccovery of f 2 uranium-232, that he discovered the ficsionability of uraniati-j 3 233 with the slow and fast noutrons, a discovery which in 1 4' fact made uranium-233.poonible for.use in nuclear power 5-planto asid. nuclear weapons. i' 6 I would like' at this timo to submit the affidavit 7 by Dr. Goffman.which refers to tho operation of a. nuclear 1 0 power plant'as'logalized, random murdor, ~D (Applause.) -10 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you. 11 MR. LONDON: I'm Mr. London from Lincoln City l 12 and I wondored if my name in on there to be called. 13-CHAIRMAll MILLER: What is your name again, sir? ) 14 MR.. LONDON: Melvin London. 15 CHAIRMAN MILLER: I think it 10. Let me ust j 1 10 check. 17 Yes, your name is on here. We'll give'you an 10 . opportunity to.be heard, sir. 19-MR. LONDON: Thank you. 20 -CHAIRMAM MILLER: Margeret Downey I.believe had - 21 anked to bo recognicod, her name'having been called earlier 22 13ut' nho-vann 't available at' the moment. 23 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF CATHERIME 24 MARGERET DOWNEY l' 25 MS. DOWNEY: My name is Catherine Margeret Downey - u e-v ,,,.,3w..e-r.--,w===~ew.+-eee i - -as. nw e-aw -mem o w. -wern a-me - ee a e--wm esw 2 w w-s' wr w-
i 1095 1 eb6 1' and I'm here as a concerned citiden. L 2. CHhIRMN MILLER: We'will be glad to hear your~ !O i 3 views. 1 l 1 h 4-MS. DOW:EY: Thank you.. 5 I am a conior student in laedical school and.in G' .my clasceu on X-ray I becamo-avaro of-the dangora of radia-1 ) 7 tion poisoning. My concarn, therefore, ic for the health 8 of the poopic of.this area and that in why I'm hora. 9 It seems to me that the earthquake regulaticac 10 as.they stand are ao low as they possibly could be and there-11 foro, they.should not'bo loworod. If the control room is not 12 cafe at Trojan, then Trojan is not safe and the plant should 13 not be run until it is safe. It seemn a cimple issue to ma i 14 but unfortunately, the issue has been confused. 15 Above all,'we should not allou monetary gaina 16 to be not above the safety of the peop1n. E 17 I would liho to requeat that a more thorough I 10 inspection of Trojan Nuclear, Power Plant by acccone who is c l f' 10 'not paid:by Dochtcl-or.PGE should be run. Originally Eachtel 20 found.thel faulty construction, and they'rc the buildora of 21 this plant.; lI ' feel that the study chould be donc by nemeona 22 . whoso main concern is public. safety rather than corporate ( h-23-profits. ' 24 ' Nationly does PGli Want us to allod them to operate. 'h 'nn unsafe nuclear power plant but wo are :oxpected.to truct r e + s.,, . h. u ~- =E
1096- '1 I eb; I their ability to manage the highly toxic materials and wastac i l 2 that' arc an integral part of nuclear power. The fe.ct that 0 i 3 they signed a contract absolving Bechtel from liability for h 4 negligent dcaign is like absolving Ford for explosive Pintos. 5 Finally, I would like to appeal to you the NRC, r G to please make the decision to not allow Trojan to reopen l 7 until it la cafe beyond a doubt. Just as I would pray that S the FDA would protect my family and myself from painonc in 9 food, I expect the NRC to have the couraga to protact no 10 from the dangers of nuclear disastor duo to an earthque':o. l l 11 F7hy have a regulatory body at all if they de not - I 12 otand by the regulations they have cet? 13 PGE has many tince stopped the protectora ficom 14 troccpancing on the Trojan cito, and they have gotten suppo-15 from the government. It is my contention chat if PGU dcas 1G not abide by the rulen, they should not he allotted to proece<t, a 17 If the regulations are changed 30cause PGF cannot meet thm 18 then the IIRC is not living up to its responsibilities co E. I 19 public regulatory body. I EO (Applauce.) 21 CHAIRMAN MILLEn: Thank you. { i l 22 Mr. London. i h 23 LIMITED hPPEARhNCE STATEWGT OF MELVIN M. LONDET 1 i 24_ RESIDENT, LINCOLN CITY, OPEGOli 23 MR. LONDOM: My name is M0lvin N. London. ?_ 1: W 4 e i f ~. -. - - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ - = -
II j 1097 ob8 1 in Lincoln City, Crogon. I'm retired, and becaune of my 2 concern for the futtiro of mankind, my grandchildren and yea: 3 grandchildren, our children actually, I'm here to testify 4 because I think that nuclear power is a perversion of all l 5 the benign technologica of nankind. 1 6 i (Applance.) s l 7 I'm opposed to the Nuclear Regulatory Com:nissian i O granting permission to the Portland General Electric Compaay, j 9 PGE, to operate tho Trojan Nuclear Plant before the design i 10 errors built into the walla of che control building have 1 l 11 been corrected to meet the intended captbility to racist the 12 operating basic earthquake, ODE, and the nafo ahutdoim ear 5L-i 13 quake, SSE, O e 14 The fact that the rainforcing attel and tha ra - inforced concrete core of the control building walls in 15 i 16 generally discontinuouc is a serious construct?on Llunder I because it reducen the capability of the walls to eithataal 17 a 4 l 18 the shearing force of carthquakes to the level of its 4 10 weakoot parts. The structural integrity of the control i building is important at all times, but especially 30 a 20 durint 21 SSE or any other omorgency. 22 The Nuclear Regulatory Comaission'c Staff han found that the ODE capability for the control building in 23 it c 24 present state has been reduced to 0.llg but things are movirg 25 so fast I notico now it is down to 0.0g, below the value of i
1098 eb9 1 0.15g establiched for'the facility. 2 The Staff has determined alco that there has 3 .been a reduction.in conservatism and design margins with 4-respect'to the control building coicmic capability below. 5 the: level intended and desired for the 33 yearn remaining G. in ~ tho e::pected plant life. 7 Because thd c reduction in margin is significant,. O and-these are their cwn words, your Staff's wordo, the Staff 9 has determined that the margins should be restored by appro-10 priate modificationc to the control building. PGE has'~indi-11 cated its intent to implement auch modifications by June 1, { 12 1979. 13. Based on the,NRC Staff'c recommendations, the 14 Acting Director, Offico of Nuclear Reactor Regulation, has determined that tho' design margins originally provided in 15 the Final Safety Analysis Report and approved by the commia-16 i nion should be restored by appropriate modifications.to the 17 ~18 control-building. 19 . The Acting Director has further determined that operation of the facility prior to the implementation of the 20 21-design modificationa on Juno lot, 1979, will not poco an 22 undue risk to'tho; health and safety 'of the public, providad the following conditions are imposed to insure the control p 23 V 24. building's~ integrity: 25 First, no modi.fication which may in any. way b. I i bc
t 1099 ebl0 1 reduco.the otrength of the existin'g chear walls shall be 2 made without prior'nRC approval.. They cannot be strengthened O 3 without reducing that at como point in that construction. h 4 I've worked in the industry all my' life and I know that, i 5 Second,'.in the event that an carthquake' occurs G .that c::ccede the facility criteria for a 0.11g peak, -- now 7 you're going to have to meet 0.0 peak ground acceleration at 8 the plant site,.the facility shall be brought to'a cold shut-O down. condition and inspected to deterriine the effects of the 10 earthquake on the facility. Operation cannot resume under 11 these ci7:cumstancos without prior NRC approval. 2.240 12 I do not di'apute the technical evaluationc raado 1.3 by the Licensee and.the HRC Staff. They did their work well 14 as far,as the went, but they didn't go far enough. There-1 15 fore, I question the wisdom of the decision to permit PGE IS to operate Trojan during the entire period of. modifications 17 to the control building. i 18 There has boon no evidence that the Licensee or 19 the NRC Staff has given.co'rious. consideration to one of the 20 most vulnerable parts'.of tho. Trojan plant, the possibility 21 of an.carthquake rupturing important cooling piping which. 22 could load to a-lous-of-coolant accident with disastrous 23 .conceguences. 24 The' fact is that the failure to build into the ) 25 shear walla of the control building the specified safety L 2m
l b I l 1100 ?; obil-1 margins for the withstanding of moderately violent' earth- - r 2 gnake movements is an inexcusabic blunder by the only one l. l 3 . ho had the complete authority and the cole responsibility w 4 for it, Bachtel Power Corporation, DPC. p l 5 In 'the construction of the Trojan facility tho-L '6 architect-engineer, DPC, bears the final responsibility for 7- ' any failure to irnplement the design criteria set forth in - ,( O the Final Safety Analysis Report. t O In thic case of the control building, the decicn l 10 errors were discovered quite unexpectedly by worhrnen on l 11 April 13, 1976, almost two years after the plant operation 12 was; declared commercial. This probably has alerted PGE and l 13 the NRC Staff to the' possibility of'other design errors of j .14-the'name classification involving earthquake tremors. But i 15 their concern should not be limited to tho'soinnic problon [ 16 because the known record of nuclear plant construction by 1 4 17 Dechtel is'such that it does not instill confidence in any of F-l' 18 tScir work. 1 1: 19 They have now left nuclear plant construction c P 20: year or'ao ago'because they had done faulty work.. They~hti 21 been~ sued by half a.docen other companico. 4. - Trojan'c comparatively chort operational'ex-22-23 perience-han been plagued by repeated failures of pumps, [ = 24' valves,: switches and other faulty equipment, reculting in [$ 25'- ' numerous costly shutdouns. There have been real frightening e [ it j~
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L t 1101 i I I eb12 I incidents when the emergency core cooling systems failed-l g and huge valves didn't reapond easily to manual control, an1 2 l 3 the threat of meltdown was too close for comfort. 4 I remsmber that day. That was February 29th,-- 5 that was Leap Year -- in 1976. They scrammed the plant and G' when the plant is acraatmed the feedpumps are automatically l 7 chut off that' normally feed the primary cooling systen, and 0 at that moment, automatically, the auxiliary feedptmps are D supposed to take over. They didn't. They tried again. They 1 10 didn't. Finally they ch::,cd 1.he valves manually and it toch I 1 i 11 them 'five minutes before they could do that. They vare very, i 12 very near to a meltdown situation. The temperature had riaen , g 13 tremendously in the core by that time. >t i 14 i Workmen have been exposed to ionizing radiation 1 13 ) in excess of the allouable fivo roms. The proof of this 16 poor performanco is the leu capacity factor of the Trojan l 17 nuclear plant to dato, 30.5' percent, the lowest in the 10 ontiro electric utility inductry in the United States. j 19 If further proof of the financial cost to the i 1. 20-peoplo.who are forced to support PGE and Trojan's shutdoun i I ( 21 syndromo is necessary, one has only to look at the record of . 22 rate increases of the electric utility industry in the U. S., b hJ - 23 1973 to 1977. PGE's captive customers arc paying the higheit s 24 - rato increase,125.7 percent, in the entire electric utility 25 industry. The average rate increase for all utilities in the t y gyg p-y p+w., wp 4g-ggy W*r'ktW --W4' ? y'r-G'rT"r+-n'-- tW8 r'" 'w-v w v' w-e---we euMWe w mr ww- -w'- =+ --=-*--wwvk-wet *vu w wr e
7, - 1 1102 eb13 1 i name period, including nuclear, is only' 47 percent. 2 It is truly remarkable how this nucicar power [. 3. plant, which by come Freudian slip of the tongue was ncmad 4 .after the Trojan Horse, has been trancauted by the fics4.cn l 5N procesa into auch a big, unmistakably White Elephant. .6 7.- G l sure that the PGE's customera will bo the first to testify 7 'that this romarkable tranamutation is real because they have l 0 - cupplied the funda to feed thic capacious, celdom-working 0 White Elephant. 1 10 How I'm going to close with a few remarks about l 11 nuclear fission because that's what we.'re really concerned i 12 about here. That's what you gentlemen should be concerned i l 13 about. 14 11uclear ficcion, I told you, is a perveraion of 4 the benign technology that mankind has developed, and I'd 15 16 like to quota just for a moment here what I say about that. j 101 17 i 18 I 19 f f 20 g - 21 22. t - 24 f(] 25 d _l
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(---.-- .i s r l. i + .g. 1103' 1 1E2 agbl First and nc. _mportant is.the fact that the nuclear-isoion process ia' inherently malevolont' and deadly I i-3 g' .to all life on the planet earth. .W-4 The use of nuclear ficuion to generate electricity 5 inevitably createc au by-products enormous ainounts of plutonium F 6 and = raany other dangerous radioactive isotopos, come of which 7' persiat'for thoucands of years. [ 0 For the protection of all life on carth, these ,i 9-i deadly, poisonous long -lived radionuclides must be cmmpletely 10 isolated and confincd from the biosphere for 10,000 generations, 11 i That's an impossibility. And.the nuclear power industry has j very wall demonstrated that fact, not only iti the United . h 13 Staten but all over the world, whorevor they have built N nuclear power plantn. 15 This 'io a requirencat which the nuclear powcr .q - i 16 inciustry toid the public 'it would maet. Not one of the 67 - 17 . nuclear power planto now in operation ~ including PGE's I9 Tro-}an -- has como even close to meating this requiremer;t. .'IU . Even the spread of low-loval radioactive wastos - l Got thic -- Even the.apread -- And I'm quoting from an 20 21 meditorial, I.might as wel"' read the editorial. It's from. 22 Lthe Oregon Statoaman,:'a Salem papar..And it's dated 23r -Saturday,' September 23, 1970. 24; "Radiction serica e cates critical ( y: 25' mass of concern. L I
l l i L 1104 i I' agb2 "The apread of low-level radioactive 2 wastos throughout our environmout has escaped l-the efforts of governmental regulatory agencios O to anticipato it, to appraine it and to control i t 5 it. l 6 "As evidence mounts...." -- it amounto 7 overy night. .I listen to my T.V. -- primarily my-T.V., 8 sometimes the radio ~~ but there is not one single day that 9 I don't discover either in the newspepor or T.V. or on 10 tho' radio,.whero there has not been a very bad accident j-11 involving cither the chemical - the patrochemical industry 12 or the nuclear power induntry. h 13 "Au evidence mounts that utended 14 low-level exposure 10 more hazardous than had 15 been expected, this contamination already has 10 gotten beyond our economic capacity to deal 17 with it. 18 "Hundrada of millions of tons have been 19 diopersed throughout_the country. Even here in -20 Orogon, with our vaunted environmental controls, s 21 we don't know where all'of it in or the extent \\ 22-of the problems.it has the potential of ) j 23. creating."' 24-One of the thingo that's very important is the l l - $' 25-exposure of workers by Trojan--to-ionizing radiation. l t i i I' I( L
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I. 1105-l 1q agb3 I tantified before this body against the une of q' ?. 'O Trojan's cooling pool as a ocmi-permanent ctorage for the 3 spent fuel. At that tina, I pointed out that it was the 4 j mocb un11:cly, uccb danjaraua placo bhat you coulu store j 5 it, which wac' recognized originally by the Nuclear Regulatory 6 Commission in making the rules that they impocod on,all tha 7 power plants at that timo. -8 Dut because of the fact that when I tell you 9 that nuclear ficsion is a.n ill-fated une by anyone who useu 10 it, there is no we.y now to store it. There never han been 11 anyplace to store it. 12 There are juch two uaya you can store dangerous radioactive waste. Ono in on the surface of the carth, 14 whero you've got to koep an cyc on it constantly, and the 15 samo thing applien to any heat-seeking miasile, it can pic:t 10 it out and drop a nuc1 car warhoad on it; or you're going to 17 bury it ' deep in the bouclu of the aarth and relinquish con 6::ol 18 of it forcycr. 19 L on Woldridge told us that, no ue know j there'n no way wo're going to store it, we've been'looking 21' for 25 to 30 yearn for a place to store it. We've done t'to 22 most unbelievable thinga:- wo'va dumped it in'the Atlantic A e U 2@ Ocean, we've dunped it into the Pacific Ocsan, uo've dtuupad i '4 it into trenches. A M The thing that I mentioned, I think, onca beforo 4
i: 1103 agb4~ - was that in Rusaia, they had a tremandonc explosion there a . g few yearn ago -- a book has just come out nou which reveala i. 3 l the truth about that. It's been covered up.in this country, l 4 l' it'was covered up in Russia and it was covered up in moat, 5~ l of,the' countries that are using nuclear power. 6 l Dut Ruccia throw away her wastes in a storage l 7 j. trench near the Ural Mountains, between two Russian cities. ~ l l An area 1000 square miles has been completely devastated. i They killod hundreds of people and thousande more died. It made - the explocion toch place probably II as a result of plutonium-240, which hac the quality - the 12 charactoriatic of spontaneouc fission. But whatever startml 13 g it, it made a big mudball which thrust up into the air I4 coveral thousand feet, millions of tons of doadly radicactive L j 15 productc. Jind the vind took it and swept it around for i IO dozens of miles. 17 It's completely isolated noa, fenced off and ( 18 no one can go in But the scientinta have bocn studying in e 19 l for yearn, Ruscian acientists, and they know how dangerouc 20 it is. . 21 And that book you gentlanen should got to road ) j. 22 because if we're trying to outdo Russia, ucll, they've 2 just outdone.us in'one of those. That's an unthinkable p L [ 24-accident, and.it occurred there. 4 e e en I l l t 4 1,. ~----ww v --~.-.~-.-,W..,.,,-,,,,..w..--.,-,,...--.~......_---.,- .m-, _ - -.,. -
4 1107' 4 1, agb5-. 'They-wore: putting the plutonium in trenches..And they put. in so much they thought' the plutonium wculd gradually disparte J - >3-Ja'little bit, because;that has been their general theorp ce about ' any ' poicon, just put. it out in the world someplaco - o 5 in the air or in the ocean -- and it'll disperco. 6 .But it_docan't, you can't (Jet rid of poisons. l The forolaws of ecology are very real, and we're right up j. d 'O' againct them now. o' ]~ And if you think.the nuclear :tecnnology is 10 an' exacting and unforgiving science, you'd botter believe I R that these ecological laws, they're just ao unforgiving and 12-exacting. !k But to get back to Uhat I'm caying: I3 M Nuclear power. plants are economically unfeasibin 15-In tha past few yearc, construction costs have more than 16 doubled for the nuclear planta; the price of uranium fuel 17 has tripled; repair and design altoration costa have more 18 than doubled and financing costs have rican to a new 19 .high. n 1 p 20 An oxcellent examplo of the~ financial davoc of 21 ' thew.s.. akyrocketing' coats have created - is PGE's distressini
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ii.' l l t: '1103' h -agb6, for either.the short-or the long-term storage of high-level ,h-radioactive wantes. And there ia no place, no cafe storage t 3 L.. for the low-level wastes, becauce plutonium-239 when it's l ~ 4 prococaed in'a proccasing plant, five-tenths.of one percent i-E of 1!t goes~into.the high-level wasto and five-tenths of onc O j parcent goes into tho lou-1cvel wasta. l 7 And the plutonium, wo'think ~~ well, that's O a very cmall amount. Ac I heard one man tcctify,. he said, ~ 1 9 why 99 and 9/10ths percent of all the' radioactivity at.a ] 10 nuclear power. plant dissipates in just 10 years. That wasn't II [ lquite. accurate, but it was fairly accurate. i. 12 But the point is therc'c 12 billion -- tho . h. 13- ' inventory of_an ordinary power plant has 12 billion curies, i l -14 more than-12 billion curica of' radioactivity. 4 1 15. I mentionod, in Trojan an archtypo of the i i 16 gigantic reactors PGB is requesting for a license up at- [ .17 Pebbic Springs? The reason I say that is because you 1 i' 18 gentlemen know and I know that all the plants that have 19 onceeded,__ cay, 800 megawattu are now producing just about 50 20 - porcent capacity. F '21I -The' capacity factor is -- Trojan's, I mentioned, L: is just 38.5:today. It'n the lowcat of all of then. But 22 [h ' r [. I ~ 23-the point 'io the bigger thono pitu,tn becomo, the more dangerous -1.b 24. .thpy become.- i 25 'I was in-Toledo,.. Ohio, when^Densic Davic, one of Le lf U .-.-.-_:..a_..~.=-.._.-.-.;
11C9: agb7 the newest nuclear plants, went on-stream. And I was surpriced h to see that the control rodc there were 85 porcent silver, 3 I and tho'other 15 percent indium and cadmium. e I just got a report back, oh, a couple of months i 5 ago - that the rods are junt completely disintograting, they [. had to replace them and co on, uhatever the reason is. j But this is true, that the bigger these plants, 0 the greater the dangor, the tougher it is for it, and it l 0 almost looks as if the fission proccas itnolf, it'c like 10 opening Pandora's Box, f II We never.should have used the finnion process, 1 { 12 it han a symbiotic relationship alwayo with death. It waa 'g devised and created in the necrocy of war, with no one knowing '13 14 what was going on except a very fcw mon - not e; vdry feu, 15 but a number of scienticta in the hnhattan Project. 10 And we coc uhat that brought ur to. It's brought 17 us to practically nuclear suicide. And, really, it'a a 10 ouicidal uco of this nuclear finnion that's done that. ID We hava been creating ever since World War II 20 at least threc nuclear bombs a day. He've got so much poirecn 21 .'storod'up - you road the other day about the nerve gas, 22 it's unbelievable. 23-If we do not develop the collectivo intelligencc i 24 to stop.thic mad'ruch to dcstruction, tho whole human family o 25 and the world will bo destroyed. O
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'3 method or location for either the chort.or the long-term 4-storage of high-1cyc1 radioactive wantoc. There are only l 5 . two posciblo locations.where thosa deadly high-level unstes O can be atored: on the surface of the carth where we and all 7 future generationo can koop an cyc on them -- and I maan .0 . that's futuro generations clear up for 500,000 years, 9 oven more. We've got como of those that have a half--life . o -- radioactivo icotopen that have a half-life of over 10 f .11 a million yearc. ) 12 ~~ an can any passing airplane pilot, targot-13 cocking heat-guided missile, terrorist or blackmailer; or g I 14 in the bowela of the earth where we rolinquish forever our i 2.450 15 control of tha deadly radioactive wastca, some of which will i 16 remain lethally active for hundreds of thousando of year:3. z j. i ). 17 Neither method is safe. Both involve una.:ceptable 18 ricks which chould'nover have been impoacd upon mankdnd. 1 19 Since the. United States government 'cral -iti 20 retinue of acienticts.cannot demonstrate beyond a reasonab2e .j 21 doubt a safe method and location for the containment and J 22 safe storage of these deadly radioactive poisons, all nuclear O' 23 _ power plants'should be.chut doun immediately and permanently. 24 The piddling not-acount of electricity contributed) 4 .251 by the malovolent nucicar-fiscion proccus to the nation's L + \\; .i i: o
( -- -1111 l-1 agb9' electricity needs is n' paltry honofit as coupansation'for thu 9-h irrevorsible damage now being inflicted on humanity and the i 3 fragilo ecocystems of thic beautiful'plunet carth. (Applause.) S' Ono more thing: Tha granting of licenses to [ l ' g PGE to construct and operata thcoo plants will continue to l 7 j. the present unwise, dangerous policy of crecting so-called J 0 l' " nuclear energy farms" near the more densely-populated areas 9 of the United States. l 10 The placement of clustars.of huge nuclear power 11 planto near our biggest cition and our largest centarc of 12 industry provides the ideal atationary, moat vitally vulnerabla' h targets for'any nation which has the capability to initiate 14 1 1-an attack with.long-range targot-sceking missilco with 15 i nuclear warheada. Cuch an attcek on the caGeorn part of f 1 16 'hhe LTnited States would generata tremendous firo storms which 3 L 17 l would incinerate millions of American citizens. l' 10 [ Let ma quote from a recent article by a phyciaist i 19 l and nuclear engineer on tha ataff of the Argonne 11ational 20 l. . Laboratory. 4 8-21 j "The enormouc tamperaturca...." -- And liste: 1 '"p n to this carefully, because those of-you who are not
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i familiar with nuclear powor, you should. know what tchoc place. 24 ) - ' "The enormous temperaturoc' associated 2k 'with all' nuclear weaponc, regardless of yield,
1112 I agb10. result from fission -- the procesa in which certain g atomic nuclei becomo unstable and disintegrate. 2 3 13ven a fusion bomb like the one here described Ig 4 gaina about half its energy from fission. S "As the nuclei break up and form new G - atoms, they yield neutrono and immence em.ounts 7 ' of enorgy. The'atoma created by fission are so -8 radioactiva'that if one could collcat two ouncea D of them one minuto after their creation, they 10 would match the activity of 30,000 tona'of 11 radium and-ita decay productc. 12- "When a 20-mogaton bomb goes off, it g 13. producca more than half a_ ton of this material. 14-One minute after detonation, ic is as radioactivo-15 ac 30 million tons of radium. 10 "Though thic radioactivity dcolines 17 within one day by a factor of 3000, the material 18 - atill has the radioactivity of 10,000 tono of i - 19 radium....The antronomically hot fireball 20 indiscriininatoly incorporatou all thoco ma-
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22 with_ millions of tonc of earth and dobris. The \\- J23 mixture condennec.into droplats of' liquid and a ' thel solidifies intalparticien rancling in diametsr 24 25 from one-thousandth to one-fiftlath of an inch." t a
- u W a' ? e 1113 agb11: They could all go intoJyour lunga very easily. "The particles incorporato all the II 3 l extremoly dangerous radiological residuen, i ,h 4 and aro borne aloft to deliver daath hundreda l i i I 5 li .of milou.from the targot. l i "In addition, many neutrona escape the l 7' exploding weapon, to be abcorbod by the earth 6 and air in the immediate blast area. This i o '1cada to the production of a wido variety of f. neutron-activated radios,ctivo dsotopes of~such-. 10 11 l cicments as sodium, chlorine, manganese, nino, 12 copper _and silicon, as_well as radioactive carbon i 13 l'g transmuted in the air. I4 f "All of these substances, dangerous-i IU to varying extents, remain-activo in the blant 16 . area to jeopardizo survivors and would-be i 17 rescuers." L 18 It is horrible to contemplate that it would ta}.e. f. 19 only about 250 long-range heat-seeking nicsiles with ten-i i l 20 to twenty-megaton warheads accurately targoted on these l 2 .) I' ' 21 ' casily idontifiable nuclear energy farms and the large. cities 22.~ nearby to convert almost all of the eastern part of the 23 l 'Jnited Staten -- from the Mississippi River to the Atlantic j 1 I 1 l l-K ocican - into a vast tract of ruined, radioactive wasteland, ~ i. L - 25 largely uninhabitable and with only scattered remnants of I s
_ _.. _ _ _. ~. _ _. _ _ _ _.. 1114 I ~ agbl2' human life. h Thoso of us who live west'of the Mississippi 3 River to the Pacific Ocean, would not encapo the deadly fallout of such a massive nuclear attack. Neither would the a rest of the inhabitants of the northern hemiaphare, bconuna l, l 1 6 j j the jetstream' would carry the 250 death-laden mushi:oom 7 ) l clouds constantly around the carth, gradually releasing their 8 lethal radioactivity to fall out on the land, rivers, lakes 1 9 t and. oceans where nea).? j all of the people' of the world livo. 10 The foregoing is only a briof scenario of what the future inevitable holds in store for all of us.if we 12 fail to stop this suicidal use of nuclear fission. F r ,h What a price to pay -- the irreversibic poiaoning of 'our only home and the extinction of the. human raca -- t U just to placate the blind grood and lust for.powar by a few 4 ucalthy misanthropas and their hiralings. O And'I will close with this more optimistic h O statomont. 4 (Laughter. ) ~0 9 'No license to build and operato these nuclear 21 plantti should be given to PGE because of all the options I 1 ' 2 ~0 ,available to moet the energy needs of the Pacific Iiorthwest. I g 4 D Nuclear power,is the most coatly, the most inefficient, the D [$ most hasardous, the most unnecessary and the lo,ast desirable. I 25 ' The use of the malevolent nuclear fission process -s .. -..-.. e .= -- = - ~
L: 1115 lo e 1 l' - agb13 ' Lin.a perversion of man's benign technologics. Benign technc-l.
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iner.haustible energy of the sun, the wind, the carth and l- ' h j' [ l the ocean. j 'O You know, and all informed peoplc know, that if l 6' the United States government were to spend ac much' money in 7 the next ten-years on the development of these benign, I Y natural sources of 'cnergy as it has spent in the past 10 t 9 years on. nuclear power, our energy problems would be solved L l 10 practically _ forever. 11 Thank you. 15 (Applause.) !jg 13: CHAIRMAM MILLER: Thank'you, Mr.. London. I*1 We'ro going to take our morning roccan at this 1. 15 timo. i' IS. I left off with Mr. Solomon. I realize there I L r 1 ~' are people who were highor.alphabotically.on the list who 10 are hero and we'll cndeavor to hear fron all of you. ] ]: . We'll reccas for 10 or 15 minutes, comething 19 20 like that. 3. 21' (necoco.) I 22-O l ~.. 24 d5 3
1116 F r [ t 2a-i WRB/mpbl l' CIIAIRMAN MILLER': The limited appearance hearing. { 2 will' resume. . g' l .3 I'm going to apologize for being a little late, I gW
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.bitt our elevator got stuck betwoon floora, i -5 (Laughter.) l k 6-Happily for us, modern technology caved us, 1 7 I think we'll recognize now Cacey Burns. In 'l I, 8 Casey Burns ird 9 Plence come forward. 10 LIMITED APPEARAUCE STATEMENT OF CASEY DURNS i l l 11 RESIDENT, PORTLAND, OREGON i 12 11R. BURNS:- I'm Cacoy Burns, I've livGd in Portland,i 1 13 Oregon all my life, and I hava roots in Oregon that go back . g l 14 about 100 years, to cort of dispall the myth that all the i 15 people objecting against nuclear powar are not from Oregon. i i i 16 That's not true. 1 l 17 I just have a few comments to make about thoca I i 18 hearings that I would like to say. I don't really have any j 1 19 f acta and figuros on ' the procent icauen ~at etake as far an,. I ( t 20 you know,. cpocific carthquake standards and stuff, although c 21 ao far as general things about carthquakes, I know'quita a i' ' 22 lot, having been a geology student for soveral years of my g, i 23: life.. t I'know for.sure that there is no way thaO we can 24 :- 251 ' cay that there io not going to be an earthquaha tomorrou L i: l 4 ..-._,,,,-,,....,U.,_h
.111*/. l' mpb2- .anywhero, you know.- You can onthuate that sometinos carth-i ~2- .g ' quakes can happen,7 1iketheyarenorefrequentwhenthemoon'[ 3' isJfull or when the moon in in front-of the sun. 'That'a [O ~ 4 aimply because of the tidal forcan being great. But,there's + U ron11y.no way that you can say that an carthquake is not-l G going to. happen during the period of tins that PGE is planning <7 on reinforcing the control room building. It's just an '8 impossibility. 0 Scientints have boon trying to do it, but they i ) 10 havo less ways of doing that than they do with dealing with 1 11 nuclear. waste. And a lot of people here know that the 12 Nuclear Regulatory Commission han baen caying overy ten yeara 4 p 13 . that 'wa're going to have the answer in ten years,. and ten 14 years later they're saying the sama thing. 15 Anyway, I ace that you man are in a very high 1-16 position'of responsibility, and I hopo vary much from the ( 17 depths of my soul that you nahe a decision that - vall, the 15 decisions that you make are ones that you can livo with L l 19. parconally, I maan,'the ones that you won't regret ever l 20 making ~in your life. -And really that you morally and spirit-1- 21 ually base those kind of.sclutions that you will stand by 22 no matter what. O I 23 -As for~the main issues at stake hore, all parties ,i 24-I'balievo are in some cort of consensus that the control rcom 23j Lbuilding needs work,.although I hear this norning that the i h ... u. n.. ...2.
'1118 I' mpb31 NRC is.Saying that Go ahead and operate'it the way it isLane-2 ~ don't bother'haanling with it. I cort of wonder about the 3-respectability of that kind of.a decision. O 4. O'no of the main questions is whether or not the i 5 plant'can be safely operated while this construction work ir 6 in progress. Sinco I do have a background in geology, I've 7 been asked to cort of bring up the issues about the whole O geological safety. of Trojan, and nt this point.I don ' t war.t { } 9 to bring up any of those incues, { 10 -I might submit nonething in writing an far as 11 thosar but I feel liko just the fact that it'c a nucicar pir.nt l-12 is enough to close it down from my own standpoint, i 1 ! g -13 There's a certain story of an iciand in the i l 14 West Indies known ac'Hartiniquo. In 1902 Mount St. pierre, 15 a volcano which looms above the city of Finrtinique was i 10 rt.uabling and steaming and it was threatening an eruption and 17 peoplo were very nervous about it. 18 Horn we're very nervous about a nuclear. plant 19 that's only 30 milen by air away. People were aus:ious to ( '20 evacuate,'obviously becauce they didn't want to stick around 21 , while.' thia-volcano was ateaming. The governnent was 22 interacted in other ends, cince thore were elections for a j 23 now. mayor coming up, and since the present mayor was tho only1 person running ~, the peopic were required to stay in the '24 }: 25 - town in' order so that he'could be elected. You know, he me...r.,-w ..v.s. ...d.d-A +Ju swe,m +-w .e
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l 1119 I- -mpb4I wouldn't get elected.if everybody fled the totm and there 2 g would be nobody to elect him. [ 3 So what ho did is he impoced martial law and '4 refused to let anyone evacuate the city. However, his I goverrmmnt, with all their scientists and geologista, weren't 6 - really as competent as they are today. But they had the sarte 7 surenosa. They caid, "Oh, it's not going to crupt; it's not 8 going to cauce any trouble." They were cure that St. Pierre 9 was not thrcatening. And about a week Inter from tha time l. 10. that decision wan mado, a kind'of eruption known as the II' milian danto - literally firey cloud in Spanish, I believo - 12 erupted from the volcano. 13 This kind of'cruption has not occurred in Oregon 14 'for 20 million years or so. It's the kind of eruption where j 15 you have a whole bunch of mud and water and gan superheated, 16 and it juct nort of crupta-out of pressure from the incide L 17 of the volcano, an/ it goea down the volcano at the spead of 1 16-a landslido. And this thing hit the Town of Martinique going ) l 19 70 miles an hour. And although Martinique was about a mile l 20-away from this volcano, this eruption van hot enough to malt l 21 glasu. They found goblets and stuff that just molted onto L. 22 the. floor. bh l 23 One pornon::out of several thousand -- I'm not sura L 24 what number - survived. And this one' person was - this 25 one lucky person himself nuffered second and third degree
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4 these people had no choice in the mattar, Martial law was 3 imposed upon them. l By nahing the deciaion to lot PGE oparate the i 1 i Trojan Muclear Plant you gentlemen would impose a similar but G .bvious situation upon us. And of course, you know, it's yggg o O really unlikely that an earthquake is going to happan, you N know, in, cay, tlm next six months or a year that it taken II them to build this. But I can't be cure; I don't think any i i I2 geologist would any, "On, we're not going to have an carth-13 quake." 14 And should an carthquako occur, whichever ASLB 1 15 Doardo have decided bafore occur when - I guean a legal M sized earthquaho, or the donign carthquake, chould something 17 like that occur uhile the plant in operating and uhilo tho M plant in under design for it, who knous uhat could happen, M I think it's really obvious what's at stake her3, .1 4 20 and the kind of decision that you need to make. l 1 21 The point I would like to make here in that the I 4 22-citizenry wouldn't have any choice in the matter. And I wonder at the-logistics of trying to evacuate tuo million l 4 24- . people in the area within 50 milec of the plant, or maybe 4 , :g .25 100' miles; more if you consider the Seattle area. I wondar k l 1 i
j .1121 I l ^ mpb6, 'what'the logintics would be in trying to, evacuate the poople, .2 h'g I think it 3iould be a-dicacter similar to the one at I 3 Martinique. i I'd like to sit down and-mcet with you people 6 personally and talk about thin.- And. I really have nothing i. 5 against you. 'And I racognize that being on Eoards like this 7 and.doing work with the nuclear-Regulatory Commiscion la hcw G. .you make your living. But frankly, I've seen Boards like ~9 you before. I've acen how you operate. And I juct really j 10. have very little faith that you're going to make a decision. 11 that I think is really the kind of decicion that can' bo trado; 12 I think you're going to stick to PGE'a will and j g 13 not to'the public vill. And it would be ron11y impressive r 14 'I really would just love it if you for' onco, chuck to your I r 15 guns and decided to make a responsible decision, 16 And'no apparently we juat really have no choice, i 17 But I found in doing cocial work in Portland and l 18 in the southeast area where I've always lived that there era i i 19 ways'of getting around this kind of dociaion...rmd I'd like 20 to proposo now to everybody lictoning, even those lichenin7 i l 21' over.the radio that'we all gch together and fight nuclear r i Y. 22 power. And1specifically, let's show PGE that we're not more -l l"h' 23. puppets and that we donEt want them to operate the plant whilo
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1122 I I I mpb7 i electric billa indefinitely, and do it en nescoo And I'm 2 just asking everybody who paya PGE ovary month to stop nond-3 ing their checks to PetE, and mayba start cending their checkc 4 to more rocponsible organit:ations, auch as the Trojan 3 Decommissioning Alliance, Coalition For Safe Power, Foralawa 6 .On Board, and there are many other social organitations doing I l 7 other work on other iacuas, 8 And I'll be trying to organize thic and making D statements to tha preso about it. And if people arc interest ~ 10 ed in contacting me, they can do it right afher this atatem3nt 11 I really wich thera was some way that you folka 12 from PGE and un folks from TDA could sit down and just havn 13 it out for once and all, and make a decision that ue could 14 all stand by. 15 But I feel liko you men are so -- just so perverse-16 ly greedy that it'c co nuch to you to operate this plant for 17 a few more wooks and a feu noro tr.onths and stuff co that i 1 18 your stockholders don't got Disned off, I jut';. think it is 19 really fucked. 20 Thank youe 21 (Applause,) 22 CIIAIPl!AN MILLER: Thank you. 23 Chris Hoogendijk? I i 3 24 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATE!ENT OF CHRIS HOOGEliDI~iK 25 - MR. HOOGENDIJK: I just came here to speak about i J j Li
l. 1123 mpb8' l~ como rencona'for not starting the Trojan Plant, i 2-My name'is..Chria Hoogondijk. I live in Oregon City I 3 and I'm a business manager. h l 4 L Mo one' group can guarantee safety for an accident 5 at Trojan. You know, it's that kind of.cituation. If it l. O goon, thero'c nobody that can contain it in their hands or .7' .anything like that. You know, they can probably show the O world, but,if it goes, there's really nothing they can do, } 9 not only in'the futura, but, ac wcll documented, in the past. 10 [ One is-the present otructure of the control room 11 wall and those thinga that are not yet found. The zapping _ j' 12 .of PGE cmploycas at Trojan, the dry wall cover up, the' bombing j g '. 13-of the Visitors Infornuttion Center, the geologic or-the 1 l 14 earthquako. coverup, the hydrogen tanh leaks, and the many l 1 i 15 chutdowns_for plant reacona. It'a co blatantly ebvious 16 that it's just a picco of junk. S l 17 Contract this with the current developmant of j 18 altornative forma of safe energy, like colar, vind, or oven l r s 19-fusion. 4 3-20 The problem of operating Trojan with this major I 21 deficiency-is not in a vacuum. The problem of energy-is i 22 overyone's responsibility. Energy, or tha' capacity to do i 23 . work,JicLa necessity, and not a capitalistic lunury. We'ra 24 all:accounta.ble'in how.wa use the linited racources. The
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i l 1124 1 mpb9 what the bumper stickers nay, are not static. And'for the l 1 2 g most part,-not renewable. 'They are in fact decreasing. 3 The age of anxiety is mon and uomen not facing 4 up to the truth of personal responcibility and creating a 5 holistic flow within their wholo environment and thencalves. 6 The control room is probably the brain of the i 7 - or at least an extremely important part. So far it's
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the weakest link in the chain so far. It is totally irrespon-9 sible for the NRC'or PGE or anyonc in an accountable pocition to to run comething as dangerous an a fianion plant in an un-11 cound. manner. Such is the status of Trojan. I2 Thank you. g 13 (Applauce.) 14 CHAIRMAU MILLER: Thank you. IS Greg Flahus, ploaneo ~ i 16 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEIiENT OF GREG FLAKUS,, 17 RESIDENT, PORTLAND, OREGON IS PtR. FLAKUS: My nama 10 Greg Plakus, and I liva 10 in portlando 20 And there's just a couple of inaues that I want 21 to addross-briefly. 22 The first. issue that I want to addrons is the e 23 capacity factor of not only the Trojan Nuclear Plant, but 'i 24 nuclear plants around the country. The first year that Trojan 25 wac in operation they operated at a'22 percent capacity rate,.
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4 j mpblO-Lact year I believo it was jdst over a'50 percent ' capacity rate. And thislycar, due to various mistakes and 3-errora'in' construction contracts, it's going to be much loss 4 i than that, u 5 If I operated a privato bucincen of my own and I i 6 was operating at only 50 percent capacity because of an error i j 7 made by a constru,: tion company, I'd be out of business roul 0 fast. a -9 Portland General Electric is not going to be out 10 { of businaan bacanno they're going to pasa thase costa, in ) - 1I my opinion, in one way 'or another,:onto their ratepayerc, 12' and that's what I'n concerned about. -l g' I'm concerned that Bechtel did make the error, 13 14 and that they are not going to be held accountable for it, at 1 15 least not at this point. They should be held accountablo { 16 for it, no matter what their previous contract said, because i I[ 17 they did make the mistako. Portland General Electric mado a E 16 ' the mistake; the two of them together nado a mistake. They 19 j did not carefully monitor.What wac going on wimn the controi 20 building was built. And I th.tak that this is comething that 21' the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has to take.into considera-22 tion. 23 I am-not,.por se, against startup of Trojan. I i 24l - am, per se, ngninst the cost overruns, the continued increas.e- [ -g T-PS in-rate.to theLaustomers because of mistakes that are made of l l 2 ,b.., A A u~.+ ___.-.,_.-.--._.#_~~-____ _. _ _., _. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _- _.. - -.... ~
h [ F f 1126 3 i .mpbil - I this type,. And I: think ' that the NRC neo/!s to take into consideration in their determination of startup or not 's startup the.cffect on the ratopayer, because I am currently hh 4 .in a position where I'm not of an incoma level that these j i U constant increases in rates are easy to adjust to. 0 l-I. read.in the Donnevilla Power Adminictration 5 i ./ Dreft Environmental Impact Statement that a person with an ( I 0 l income of-03000.or less devotes ainoct ton percent of their i I - 9 incomo yearly to power costa, whether they be for oil heat, 10 olectric heat, or whatever. A parson of an inecue of '$25,000 11 or above devoton laca than one parcent of their income to i 12 olectrical costa and paymonts and bills. -g 13 So I feel as though we nood to tako a look at in 14 thic case who in the end is going to pay for the mistako. Is l 15 it going to be-Dechtol? Io it going to be Portland General j 16 EI.ectric? Or ic it going to be myself and othar ratepayers? 17 In the pact it hac boon myself and other ratepayers, and I 18 believe that in-thic case it should not be the ratepayer. L [ 19 Ac I told you carlior, if I una in private busi-l l P.0 ness -- for inctanco, if I had contracted to maybo add on to l l 21 .my. -- wall, lot's use as nn o:: ample, off the. bop of my head, 22 imaybe add on to my baan plant with some equipment, and tho O 23 company that I contracted with made a mistake and that cquip-24-mantLoperated at only 50 percent capacity when it was supposed 25- .to operato at 100 percent capacity, that would coct me, as a 4 i
j ~ l l-1127 -i-I mpb12 person,~as an owner.of that corporation, a heck of a lot of 2 money.- -And I would definitely be accountable for it as c.n ! indivi' dual. - 4 Portland General Electric and Dechtel, no-hugo-1 [ S - corporations'-- ualli. not Portland Goneral Electric, but 6 Bechtel:is'a. huge corporation, they're not accountable for !~ '7 it. I believe they should be made accountable for it. And i ~8 ~ Decauco if they aren't made accotnrtable' for it, then now. l 9 it's going'to. continua to be passed on to the ratepayer. And i 10 this in something'that you nced to consider'in your decision, f l 11 a very important decision.- i j. 12 And:I thank_you for-your-time. l ' g 13 (Applausc.) 2 14-CHAIRMAN MILLER: -Thank you. 15 Doverly. Stein? 16 (No responce.) r l' 17-Jane Sununern? 18 (No responso.) 4 19 Dennia Tollicon? [" 20
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' 21 - ploace.- 22 '(No responso.) .Ig - 23 iTchnson Waldron? l: l '24 ..(No' orcsponse.). 23 . Linda Ucrnor? L
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_. _ _ _ _ _.. _.. _ _ _ ~.. _. _ _ _. _. 1130 t. i wb 2 - 1 inspcotion be done by an independent agency appointed i 2 by the NRC. "I can understand'how PGE-and Ecchtel 3 might shado the truth or present half trutho to 4/ protect their reputations and profits, but if you 5 3 weight their reputations and profits cgainst the 6 safety of thousands of people I'm sure you will 7 come to the decision to keep the plant shut down O I f until absoluto safety can be assured." 9 \\ l 10 (Applause) CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you. 11 LeRoy Wence. l 12 !fg 7 (No resporine) Leolic What. 34 1 (" ""8P " I l 15 1 M idred White. 16 1 i (No. raaponn'e) i t _e, Dianne "Willard, j 18 ) (No racponco) g William Williams, c3 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF WILLIAM F.WILLIAIG 21 '830 S.E..DOUGLTtS STcf ROSEBDRG,.OREGOH 97470 l .,22 ' l MR. WILLIAMS: My name in William Willa.ams rrem i ?- 23 Roseburg, Oregon.. 1*n a dental laboratory technician. My ) ,u mailing addreca ic 030 S.Ee Douglas in.Roceblirg, s l l M - = w v - +-, -e ,.--e,.--, ..-w,s_
l. 1 p [. 1131 I think first I'd'like to say'that I think that i . wb 3. j 2 tho public input for-thene hearings is scheduled.at an in~
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I' g 4 have already boon hold, and.co that' thoro's'not'really suf-i- lS: ficient'tima'for rebuttal.to public input or attention to 6 what the public can bring out at these hearings. The public input 10 after tho hearings. 7 1 CHAIRMAN MILLER: For the-record -~ and I don t a g mean to interrupt; but wa've'had three daya of evidentiary g l.- 10 hearinga, Monday, Tuesday and Wednecday in salem. We-have two dayo hero for the limited appearances. Then we racume for l 3; the entire week. So'you are sandwiched in between.. And your g F views will be concidered, h ) MR. WILLIAMS: Thatl brings up another point; that the public input han bcon moved from whero the hearings are i 15, : in Salem, to' Portland,'which makes it a'little more difficult 1G I for people to get here. Myself, I had to work a full-day WednoaJay, and than until five in tha morning no that I could-i take' the time off to got up hore. A lot cf people don t havo 19 l pp r y w a g s a y can anh a j "cO ' + - public appearanco at somothing like this. ,,.1 .To ' get on with the main issues: I don't think that g. Bcchtel. Corporation should be the person, or the entity thr.t 'is tting all. the 'information and giving it to you. on the-1: iM > control. room walls, when there would be-- It-socms to ne W._ 25_ j: 3 ,t {.' y r bi i, ',.fm - _bo.,,,,_. L.~..,~._ _..;-.L,_..-.-,.-- - - - - - - - - ~ -
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j4 been stated. But if the walls aren't cafe it shouldn't be 1 1. .I jg operated.. That's primarily what I hava to cay. 16 Thank you. j j7 (Applacne) 10 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you, i 39 Kenneth Williams. 20 MR. WILLIAMS: I nood a littic more time. 21 CHAIRMAN MILLER: This afterncon?. 22 NN* WILLIM40 UO' junt about ari hour. Because h 23 I had.to work thic morning. y CHAIRMAN ' MILLER: No. problem. Would'this aftar- ' noon he convenient _? 4 _ ___ _ _ = -n.- m -,- _ _._...._ _ _ _ _. -. _ _ _.... _
5 t s 1133 e wb5 1: MR. WILLIAMS: No. About noonior so. l' E 2. CHAIRMAU MILLER: We're going.to. recess at noon. ll 3 It's about 11:35)now.- I want to accommodate you. So if you g g could indicate what would be your convenience. i _gf MR.. WILLIAMS: Well I'll go ahead and do it nou.- L 16 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Well you can have n'. ore tima if 7 you wish. i i 6: MR, WILLIAMS: No. I have to work this afternoon. i I'll do it now. g a 10 CIIAIRMAN MILLER: All right. C-4 L111ITED APPEADANCE STATEMENT OP hENNETH WILLIAMS, g; f [2, 2304 TAYLOR' STREET, PORTLAND, OREGON. ^ MR. WILLIAMS: My name in Kenneth Williams - I I h-live at'2304 Taylor Street in Portland. g 1 L. I wanted to start off by pointing out some of the' material that Roger Wernor alco mentoned. And that g isto emphasize tho difference betucen engincaring and p 17 1 j 1g technology. j g Basically what I was going to explain van thdt when an engincor designs a plant theydesign it with cartain c0 capacitics in mind, they decign it with all the criteria '~ that they necd.. j 22 i \\ then the' j , g. But when these plans are given out, technology.- well, the construction firma, first of all, .24 order the' inaterials' and everything like thst. But when they n a 1.
1134 wb6 3 get down to tho actual, work, you can't supervice every single 2 worker, you can't tell overy single worker what they're geing O 3 to da when they build. h 4-And ac far an:the construction goes, it'c'just .5 common knowlodge among people who in an industry like this 6 that they don't foi ow all the critoria and all the designo. 7 So when you go back to the Stardyne analysic, g and I'm trying'to.make my way through this report. It's a rather technical and long report about ahear forces'and g stuff like that. But basically the report. is just an analysic g j; on a computer model, and computer models do not reflect . g what's actually gone into the construction of a plant. An example:-- I was talking to comebody who .O does welding, and he explained.that, well, wolders work for g thirty years and they have a lot of pride in their work. And-if comebody tells them that their work isn't good.they get upcet. Butmeanwhilethey'realwaystakindc'ortcuts. h h Everybody takes a chortcut when they ~do a. job. -. 1 j So you tell comebody who's doing uclding at a' nuclear.. plant that their weld isn't going to hold up, and they say "Noncense.' But then you ack them '"Tihat does neutron. <.2 Q ' bombardment do to your veld?" And they say "I don't know, but I've been welding for thirty years and I know how to uald. 24 This in just an example of the kind of' work you 1 (. ___._.a.
t i 1135- ' j' p wb7 1 e can expect at a nuclear plant. It's not that the plant isn't ' i .2 [ well built; it's that the plant ic not perfect. And that's
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the wholo probleza.with the technology. You're not going to ..! g-4 get a plant that's perfectly built. So when people criticize the construction of the plant it's not like they're saying 5. it was put together with -- you know, with pacte or comething C 7i like that; it's wall built. But ydu just can't engineer a c t ,, 0 ' plant to the capacity that,you have to build it'to. 9 .And:we're talking about perfect, we're not even 10 talking about 99 percent. l i-., But let's back off a bit and. talk about if it 12 - was well built. 13 I have an article here from the paper, it's a l recent article. And I'll try to draw the connection, co you ja 15 just don't think I'm reading articles to you, t It'a from The Oregonian, and it was a couple of 16-1 'y weeks ago, and it-says: j gg "Quoctiona-Remain Along Canal After i gg Fainilies Have Fled. " 20 It shows.a canal catastrophe. It says-Therc'c l 21 the Lovo Canal at Ulagara Falls, New York. And the familien have flod from the area because, it says 22 h 23 ....f rmerly a chemical dump. Chemicale L uy, percolated to the surface, endangaring han1th." g 25_ Well here it goes on to explain how these l ' j$ - l i . =.. - -
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0' The thrust of thin story in' about a yeman uho A j 9 just had a. child and che's really J:elievod that her baby -was' i 10: not deformed. Because a lot of people in the area woro I i 11 expecting their children to be def'ormed. 1 j 12 .And it goes on to explain how all these chemicals 13 leaked 'out of thic wasto disposal site for chemicals. [e 14 How the State is.in'a mess. They're trying to 1 15 buy a couple of hundred homen. And everybody is moving frcm the ' area. ' They!re dentroying those perfectly good homes, .16 I j just burying them, because all these chemicals are in the
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l {. ill38 3 ' wbl0 1 .There. might'be an carthquake. l 2 .If you allow thic' plant to operate-- Just loch at ee p 3 _it.. The plant wac.chut down in March. As soon na they shut j '4 -it down for refueling-two uorkers were irradiated.. Why? 5 Because PGE'.s management was totally mocned up: they couldn't i-L 6. figure out whero - they didn't even know there wero. workers 7l in the area where they. were transfe-ant fuel, i 8 Wall a few wocka 'later _ sere checking;out the g control. room, they were installing a small thing in the i- [. 'go control room. And' they found out that there was a bit hole in _ the-You' know, that the control rost was underdeaigned. 11 L 02 .So they shut it__down. i .l' I g o-So then a few wacks'later, toward the end of the g su.nmor, they find out that the -pipen in the elevations above 45 feet are not up to design. And so, you know, now they t 93 s-want:to start it up again. g . oll I'd be willing to bot that if youkept that W g . plant-chut down for a year and when through it with a fine 4
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-tooth comb you'd' find everything, you'd find dodens of things 'g wrong with it that wouldn't allow it to operato. j So'that's the thing: you either have to decide, 1 that you're going to go through-~ First of all'I don't think -- 2L h' You know,-the whole question of economics, the need for g t TrojanLand the alternatives is something I'm going.to come 1 -,4_ s e L to. ; Dut"if'you-just assume _.that the nuclear power plant'he.s l
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l [ 1139 l l l 1 L agbl to moot your regulations, you'd have to koon it shut down j g flwnwbl0 2 i W. for a much' longer period of timo and assume that, counting l 3-all the errors that you found in the past couple of years .4 I on Trojan, you would havo to go through the design incredibly i 5 and tost out each fauct Of the design to coe whet!her, number 6 one,.the actual conntruction~that went into the plant was .7 what was designed for and rhat han changed since the con-4 8 struction. 4 4 You'd have to do a complete analysis all the time f 10 i to see the effects of radiation on the countruction. You'd 3 11: I havo to analyze the effect on the spent fue.. pool under I Youknow,what'n*l 12 construction in relation to overything else. 13 the offect of the apent fuel pool now on thn radiation 14 ) design. I mean, you're going to have to go through overy-10' thing. itnd if you think that -~ Itow, how much would a atudy A 17 3 like that' cost?. Why don't you do a study like that? j i 10 Well maybo it's economica, naybo you figuro that l 1, i 10 i ( it's choaper not to cloce the plant and to do thic whole 20-l study. P' And the renult is, well, you sava the tarpnyors 22 f .of Oregon $40.million, was it? The first fig ure' I. he ard I i 23 was $40 millioN l M That was -- In fact, I have a lettar from I e .,0 Governor Straub who is, you know -- ue all know, is highly 2 1 j. i ) i u __, .c
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4 So,-actually what he docs, ho calls up PGE 5 and askc them how he chould ancwor this letter-and they give G him the answer. And he says, oh well, toll them it's $40 7 million that the consumars are going to have to pay. O Well I saw a thing in the pa}cr today. It said D if Trojan is chut doun until January, it locks lika they're 10 only going to havo to spend $20 million on entra fuel. 11 Okay. So, you know, it's only en entra 020 millioni, 12 So than you go back and you look ct thic uhole thing. Why g 13 don't you do this study? Well, it's going to cost you a 14 lot of money. 15 And the rationale is that you don't want to opend 16 a lot of money because you have to operate the plant. But 17 you have the cafety regulations, ao you have to cover up. ID And you're always forced into theno continual lies. You alwaysl -l ' 19 have to force yournolf to do those thinga that you don't waa h 29 to becsuso you have to cover up your oun rulca. P.1 Wall you come back to the wholo thing and it all 22 comes back to nuclear power. And the question is, why do 23 you' have nuclear po#cr? Well, it's, you know, you're there TA to regulato it. But it's been thero for 20 yeara and it'n 25 .comething we got-started on in the'50a. 1
I ] 1141 i 1 agb3 Wall overyone had good - a lot of people had i i good intentions. So what you're doing io, you're just l '3 i 1 perpetuating the oitue. tion which was initiated by somebody l h. i 4 clae.and that you're cupposed to regulate. 5 1 So sure, you knoa, you get insulted when i s ~ comebody cays to you that you're liars and that you peoplo 7 are covering up. chuff and that you juct want to open tho 8 plant to protect PGE and to protect yourcolves, because. i 9 you're just part of a achemo,, you knqw, you'ro just doing 4 1 IO something the.t you're supposed to be doing and you don't want II to havo to initiato a costly study, so you' re all part 'of M thic hig thing. 4 And PGB, wall, PGE was told by Westinghousa and 13 14 a' bunch of construction companien, and they really had vicicna IU of having, you know, a lot of conntraction no that they j l 16 could bava.a high rato baso. 17 'Well PGE is stuck with this nuc1 car power plant. 10 Now what are they going to do? Arc-they s!oing to chut it 4 i 19 off completely and, you know, all the inve,3 tors are going l 2 i M to 'get upact, or arc tlicy going to just kcup running it? 1 } 21 Well obviously they'ra caught in a big thing. ,l J P2 PG3 uould like-to be popular with the p4blic. I'm sure the h.. individuals in PGE are not bad people. I mean, I've talked 1 I 1 i
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j l {' 1142 agb4 13ut they're all caught in this bureaucracy. And no, when'it comes down to allegiance to the bureaucracy or 3 i . allegiance to what the people need, you know, they're going 9 4 to go for what la cheaper for them. 5 I Okay. So this all works into this big scheue. G You know, you look at the engineering and you look at the 7 1 pricos -- you comparo prices of whether you need to shut the 6 plant down or not and whether the plant in cheaper, and you l 9 have this whole big thing. 10 But somebody along the lino has gotta make a 11 dccision, and it could be you, and you may or may not make I 12 the decision and I'm sure that what I'm anying is not going .to be the thing that's going to affect you bacauco you're 14 heord thic all over the country. You've heard it all over 15 the country because_there's a growing movement against 16 nuclear power. ) 17 So, I'm aure you're realiuod that uhother or noa 18 you open the plant, we're still going to be here and we'ra 19 atill going to get stronger. And the next hima you come 20 back,-thero'n going to be more of un. ,1 ' l And you 1:now, you know our tactica, you kncu the I22-non-violence in the movement and you know that we're just g W !lg going to keep coming back. 24 And eventually there's going to be a point where - 25 i the system, the United States capitalist sy.; tem 10 going to
1143( l _. t ~ realize that it's not worth it to operato nuclear power plants, agb5' 2 anym re becauco the social utress in going to ba too much ~ 3 and that's when the economic cost ic going to be worth it. 4 This is, you.know, a possibility. j i 5-l l Another possibility'is that there will be an 4 6 carthquako and then thoro's going to be a disanter. And f then nomebody along the linc in going to have to blame somebody i ' 8 l
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0 But you know, you look at this article here and l .it says, well, they're going to try to figure out who's going-11 to be held liable for the poisoned neighborhood. Okay. I'm sorry I'm disorganined, I ron11y I h. needed more time. But I have to work this afternoon. 14 Okay. Now you go on to some of the other questions here. N Incidentally, I'd like to mention that I got a U j card-from the NRC caying that there would be hearings IO and that I was accepted for this hearing. -And than it said j _ at the bothom that 15d be notified about the time and placc. i. l 'Ucll I road it in the paper sonoplaca and I 4 2F found out from friends who road in the paper, but' I was 22 never notified. 1 .n3-CHAIRMAN MILLER: Courtesy of the U.S. mail the i' u notices did go oue. end2D D MR.: WILLIAMS: I don't know why I never got it. p e !.i.. k..
__..___..e.____._____...- 't ~ i j l-1144 i i: h 2c obl l' Let's go back to the $20 million cost because g 2' that seema.'to be the heart of' this matter an f ar as moct of 3 ~ the. people are concerned. You know, the Governor of the l 9'- 4 state 'in concerned about the extra coat that the ratopayers I 5 of PGE are-going'to havo to opond, and PGE nays, "Well, you 6 ' know, we just want to protect our.ratepayers. We've got to j '7.' get them the. cheapest electricity we can got." i q '8L Well, let's look at thic $20 million and I want 1' 9-to give-you an analogy. f 10-Chay, you're driving down a freoway in the 11 ! - middle of the night and you'ra low on gas, end the firct gas 12 station you ace.is thia icland gas station in the middle cf h 13 the freeway and gas is 75 c2nts a gallon becauce it's the i 14 -only gas station for 30 miles around. I i 15 Do you get the gas, and what have you done? 1G -You'va. paid more money for gasoline because you needed it. i .17 ~ When you shut down Trojan in March, the first 18 thing PGE goes around doing is saying, "Well, it's going to i~ its cost un $40. million more by the end of 'the year becanae wo l-20 ' heed to roplace.this power," wall, it's the same situ'ation. l-2( .Of course they 'didn't expect to have that power iaradiately.
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b l l 1145 l l eb2 1 Second of all, ac far an I know, PGE ic still a-l 2 private company.- So they built the plant, they stuck the O'. T-3 plant with us, and. they have to pay for their pistake. The ll 4-fact that the money is there should not influence your deci-i 5' 'sion in any'way, j G-So you go on next year and you look at the prico I l 7 for the power and you think they're going to pay $20 million o 0
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No, becau.ve than you've I i 9 had this year of planning so you're looking at what you're 10 going to do next year and decide that Well, it looks like l 11 we're going to have to build some noro low-head hydro dams l 12 becauce, you know, that's comething that can be donc in the i g 13 Northwest. i IT 14 So, you know, you look around and you say Well, 1 15 there are a few more cites where we can put a few more 16 ' generators and take up the extra capacity. 1 17 Dut, you know, assuming the load growth is wha <c y to .they cay and ascuming they're not selling a fairly good 19 percentngo, at least 30 percent, to California of'the Trojan i 4 1 'I ) 23 capacity,.then you go back and say, "Well, uo still need i l ~ 2! _more power.. .) 22: Well, what if we build solar water henters? l a3 What 1f we had this thing where we helped people finance ~ 24 all.the water heaters in their homes, and maybe by two yeara 33 from nos they'd.have them all built. L l.. [. y
p j .1146 i eb3 i So figure the current' price is $1500 right'now i 2 for an installed, union-made, union-installed solar water
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of-a_ domestic houac in Oregon. That's S0 parcant in Oregon. 1[ 5 Okay? You'notico it rains a lot around here. It hash't i 6. been raining this week but it rains a lot, so that's 50 1-7 percent with this climato, with this overcast climate. 8 'Okay, so'you figure how many water heaters can i l 9 you install for a million dollars. Well, you also have to 4. 10 figure that if you start installing a lot of them the l 11 prico is going to go down. Prices alwaya go down when you 3 12 mass produce, and solar water heaters are not being mass 13 produced now. g 14' So you figure, well, $1,000, cay, so 01,000 into. i 15 a million, you have 1,000 water heaters.- Start figuring out 1 l 16 the average electricity you're saving, so by no::t year your ] 17 costs are not going to be as much, and they are going to to continually. decrease. I 19 How what's happoning is you're finding out Enat I 20-you're changing your power, you're changing into this: i j 21 niternative' scenario which is not really alternative tc i ' 22 begin with. It's the only logical power to begin with. You g - 23' know, you're taking something that-~ I mean nuclear power l 24 is considered a power source, and others are called e:cotic 25 sources,;but solar power has been here since 1900. I
= ! i i i l' 1147 e , 1 So let'a face thin a little hit. Let's go bac:t. eb4 4 2 g In 1900 most of the water heaters in Los P.ngeles were [ .3 operated by solar watar heat, solar power. Okay? D.nd then 4 in the next couple of ' decades ' fonsil fucis beenma very I L 5 abundant. By 1930 there wero hardly any solar water heaterr. 6 and all.the water heators were powered by oil. Hell, why l 7 18 that? 'that's because the oil c!ompaniec had an excess l 0 and they were just dumping it on the market. Of cource they I 'i j 9 had all those subsidiec for the oil companies. ~ 10 So eventually it's going to run out, and it is i 5 11 running out. So what? You know, I mean it's there and, you l l i 12 know, there's other sources of power. i I g 13 So you como back to it and you realize that colar j 14 water heatera are not something that you have to experiment 13 with and do all these grand design calculations. You don'E I I l f l1 16 need to start an analysis to analyze a solar water heater, 17 so you have proved that you can get alternative energy. l ta -So what'c'the total cost? It's $20 million for l 19 a certain period of months, plus a decreasing amount each 7,0. - year. 'Bigideal. -So PGE is going to have to pay becauce I 21 that's. uhat they toch a gamble on. p 22 That's asuming that PGE is, you know, a private I. j 23' company that has to pay for whatever they did in mistakes. 24 W0lle Parsonally I don't approva of, you knew, large privatt 25-companiec 'like PGE, - but that's a whole other cituation. I r L ' - -I
_ _ _ _ _ _ _. _ _ _.. _ _ _ _ _. _ _ _ _. _ _ _ _.. _ _ _ _ _.., _.. _ _. _ _ _. _ _ _ _ _. _. _ _ _ _. _ _ _ _ ~ !i 1148 i 'I I I ob5 'l mean we've'got' lots'of PUDc here, but the point is we are + g:- still _ going to be going toward those energy sourceo. 2 3 Okay.- ~ Go you're looking at the economic aido 4 .of it and, you know, I'm juct pointing out that your deci- + 5 cion should not ~ be made at all on this projected cost that j-6! PGE is making because that's an unrealistic - that's an j l 7 cmergency. cost. 8 Now you know you get back to it and PGE is getting ~ 0 power from all sorta of sources-outside but they are paying l 10 more because when you cign a long-term contract you always 4 11 get a cheaper price, and when you plan a year or two in 12 advance you're going to get a cheaper price. ' g 13 So now what's going to happon? We're finding 14 out that we really don't need Trojan. What's all the scare 15 story about the lights going out, we're going to freeze in 16 the dark, and stuff like that? Well, Trojan hasn't bocn 17 operating since March, and it was operating - it wan packing 18 down sinco February of last year. 19 So what did happen is the people of Oregon 20 . realized,-let it go-for another couple of wontha and see, What's 21 and well, let it'.go until Februtiry of this year, l 22 going.to happen? People are going to roaline that they can 23-go for-a whole year without Trojan, and then what? What's ~ 24 The acxt time that L PGE saya - we're going to freeze without 25 Trojan, who's going to listen? i .,, ~,,..
i i .1149 L n b ebG I-So I thin);. there's ;a credibility problem in- !r 2 volved here,'too', you k.now, and PCE: is going.to have to 3 start thic plant up'to prove that they're using it. L4 Let's.go on to another economic question. If you .5 don't operate this' plant, well, you're still paying for it 6 anyway, so it'c not only the replacement power.that you're i 7 talking about, but it's-- Well, when they talk about re-F 8 placement power they're talking about the difference botvcen -0 the power that they're getting and the total coat of Trojan but we're actually paying for something that we're not using 10 i l' 11 and that's where the differenca comes. l 12 So that's part of the problem, that the rate-i I 13 payers are being forced to pay for the construction and the . g 14 operation of Trojan, even though it is not being used. 15 I think I'm correct on that fact. I would have i 16 to chock that. I'm not curo if it's included in the rate i 17 base while it's not being used, but I think the interact is la probably included no I want to. make sure I'm right on that. 1D I could go on and on with the whole thing. I 're .i - 20 I" suro you've heard it overy time you come to a different t l l-t 21 place where there are poople against nuclear power: the l l- ' 22 economics, tho appropriate technology. There's the health g '23 squestion. Do'you want to hear about low-level radiat.!.on 24 or have you heard it? Have you heard it all over? I'm sura u 25 you must'have. l l'
_ _ _ ~. _ _. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.. _ I l 1150 L I l ob7 idaybe you've been back to Seabrook. Maybe you've l l ._ 2 heard'it there, too. I'm sure so:tebody else can talk chout ( 3 low-level radiation or, you know, I could do it. It doesn't I:& V g make much difference.to me. 5 y,m not really addressing this to you boccuse I 6 - kind of - figure that it'n just going past you. I' don't really 7 = expect you to chango that' much because you've been in the 0 system:too'long. 9 Have you boon-- 1 10 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Let'n not get personal. 1 \\ II-de want to hear your views, and we'll honr them. 12 MR. WILLIAMS: Well, it is personal because h I3 - every one of us'is affected by what you do. That'c exactly 14 it. If you don't get personal you can hide-behind the 15 title of an NRC percon and you can maho your decisions as 16 NRC people. But when you come here and you make a decision 17 . fou're affecting each one of us, so it is personal. 18. It's personal to the people in Columbic County, 10 Linda _.and Roger Warner and those people up there, but it in M* ' also.porsonal hore, too, bocarac Trojan is only 30 r. tiles aucy. 23 So here right away you react as if you just hava to back off 22-because.wa're saying it in you. But comewhere along'tha O
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L 1151 \\ I eb8. 1 CIIAImmN MILLElb I vacn't awara I had been in-i 2 culted. I just didn't want to get into porcenalitics..Go , g 3 right ahead. 4' MR. WILLIAMS: Well, it is a matter of integrity, 5- ' to o'. ] 6-Well, I think I mado my point in general, and au p t l 7: 'far ao this.analysin goes, you know, I've been trying to l- [ D . read this analysis'and the whole thing doea. admit that there ~9 ' aro problems with' the plant. It doeu admit that there aro l-l 10 certain things liko.above the 45-foot olevation that there 1 l. 11 are problema, you know. And acne of it I understand and I 12 some of it-I'm not familiar with. l g 13 But again, this paper it, ao good as the design 1 l 14 of Trojan, which is only as good ac it was built. And quite t 15 honestly, do you knou how it van built? Did you go out e 16 there and inspect the welda? Did you inspect the construc~ a l 1) tion? Did you inspect the coment? Or did you take the wo.d i Did they givo you word that it wac done L 10 of the contractorn? 1 j' to~ right? i 20. .I would really like to understand this right l-21 now, if.I can ask a qucution and find out. Who does %9 i l 22 inspection work at.n nuclear plant? Who inspects the actui ~ 4-23 construction? ,qa CHAIMinN MILLER: Our function"in to have you 25 exprosa your views. By the way, if you.vanted.to submit
t 4 1152 i, j' eb9~ 1 'something additions 1, we.'d be glad to have it. We can see l ll g you've given it a lot of study. 2 3 But it in not our function-- It vould be wholly '4 . Improper for un to engage in debato because this ic you 1. l 4 5~ opportunity, i l 6 MR. WILLIM4S: Can I get this in writing possi-i i i . -Can I ack the NRC and gat it in writing? Can I have 7. bly? i 0 this in the record that I would like to have this response D in writing? Who did the design? Who did the inspection of 10 the construction cite at Trojan, the actual construction i 11 site? Who did the inspection of the Bechtel plans? Who did .12 the analysis right now? 13 This la what I'd like to got in writing, and thia g l 14 .is what I would like to be accured of, that independent 15 people -- and-that doenn't mean the NRC, to na -- independent 10 people did the inspection of the plant. And of courco they ) 17 didn't, because it costs more money to do two studies so you 18 might as well take the study that the contractor did.
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i. 19 the statement in worthlesc. H 20 You know, the STARDYNE report is as good as thE-I i 21 Titanic. l L 22 Well, I'll sco you lator. 23 (Applauce.)
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'1154 1 2D-j 9 MADELor1/ AFTEntK)ON SESSIOIT - i I mpbl h (1-30 p.m.) CITAIRMAM IiILLER: All right, we'll resume the 4 1inited' appearance hearing. O I believe Hartha McHear appears on our achedule,. O LIMI'"ED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF MARTHA MC NEAR - 7. RESIDEtFP, PORTLMID, OREGOIT 8 MS. MC IEAR: My name is Martha McNear; I live in 9 Portland.: 10 I just uant to read a little hit from this. 11 (Indicating.) 12 CHAIRMAM MILLER: Go right ahead, g 13 MS. MC MEAR: Okay. 14 " Karen Silkwood was a plutonium vorker and 15 a spokesperson for the oil, Chemical and Atomic IG iTorkers Union at the Kerr-McGee Plant in Sinilon, 17 Oklahoma. On November 13, 1974, she was killed i 18 under cuspicious circunctances en route to deliver 19 ovidence of health and quality control violationu E0- .to a Eew York Tineo reporter. Her death remainc l 21 unsolved, although a Congroscional Committee and 22 ' .other investigators have turned up evidence to e 23 warrant a full-acale investigation." 24 They at111 haven't done that. 25 You've heard'this before, I'n'sure, but I thought 4 ^E_.u___.___ ._i..__
1155 I nrah? I'd mention it. CJIAInflAM MILLER: I renomber readinct at the tina; 3 I think there was an automobile accident but there was nona I O a cuention as to the manner of death, an I recal], e
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MS. f1C ?! EAR: E::actly. 6 i' " Plutonium is the byproduct of nuclear pouar 7 and in the essential ingredient in nucicer bonha. G ' Plutonium caunas cancer and is lethal to humtns 0 in incredibly anall unounts." 10 Can I read that again? 11 " Plutonium is the byproduct of nuclear powar to and in the cocentini ingredient in nuclear bombs. O 'a n1ueonium cauoea canc-and io 1cehe1 to humna 14 in incredibly anall amounto." l 15 Okay. 16 "Among other safety concerns, Silhwood was 17 concerned with several pounds of plutonium which IB Korr-McGeo could not account for. The l' air ~ 19 McGee Plant in not the only nuclear facility 20 Vith larga amounta of plutonion missing fran in-i 21 ventory. At the ifanford I!uclear Renervation in l 4 i U Eastern Uachinciten" - which is only nbaut 300 milen 8 O 23 from here -- "2500 poundo of plutonium ic unaccounted 24 for now. O "flationally 'he nuclear industry is tryiner 2S c
i. i 1156 L i-l l' 1 mpb3 to explain the-whereabouts.of over 16 tons of j l lh 'plutoniumd' 3 i A d that's quito a hit. 4 "The Itanford Ranctor producta plutonium for 5 the breeder reactor program and soon will~be making ~ i 6 l ' plutonium for weaponn. Plutonium in any form in j l 4 7 a threat to.the health and cafety of our connunity." 0 Wo all know that the Trojan Plant produces plutoning. I 9 -I didn't. receive a notice of these hearings, I 10 'just happened to hear about from fr,..snda. I wrote in and I l l 1I got a card back -- l l-12 CHAIRfiA11 f1 ILLER: You're on our list and should 4 g 13 have received it. j 14 MR. MC 11 EAR: I didn't. l 15 CHAIRFWI MILLT:R:- You'll probably get one next inzch t 16 (Laughter.) j -17' MS. MC tmAR: Mall, it seema a lot of people who 18 were going to opeak didn't get noticos. It's kind of inter-10 esting. l 1 j -20 okay. [ 21 I find it difficult to believe that you or anyone I n r 1 i 22 ' is - even considering etcrting up the Trojan Plant again be-t h' l4 23-cauco of the condition of the control Building. It doesn't l 24-mest youristandards;.and if it doesn't meet your standards 0-25' -it nhouldn't be operating. And,.of course, it's not now, bt.t'; i i \\ I = ._,_,,..s
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it up now. 3 Trojan shouldn't.be operating.in the first placo, 4.g j 4 let alone.when the control building doesn't ovcn meet your earthquake standarda.. I mean, it'c interecting that the URC 6 and PGR can't otick to thei.r own rulen; and when they break them, they mako now ones as'they go along. That's not fair j i J 8 l ulay. 9 I wonder about the special status of the.HRC'and n 10 Why are they allowed to have so much control over so i PGn. 11 many people's liven and deaths. l I2 I read in the newnpaper this morning about the 30 iO 13 day warranty that Bechtel gave tha Trojan Plant, and I 14 realized then that the Bechtel corporation ceos that nuclear l-15 power is not no safe. New cars have a longer guarantee ~ i 16- .than that. !!y brother's blender has a longe.r guarantee. 30 17-days, Janus. I8 The long term offects of that Trojan Plant is 10 going.to be around a hell of a lot iclgor than that. ] 20. Back to the special'ntatus of PGn and Bechtcl.- i 2b I get the inpression that it'c the amount of money they 22 g control that makes-them have thic power. I. don't have any 23 money, but I think I'm special too. 24 Unliko the non-people of this country's largest '20
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l 6 CHAIR!!Ali 11 ILLER: Thank you, va appreciate it, i [ I. e 7 f tS, MC ITEAR: And I don't halieve c.ny of us are f t 8 j going'to do that unlenn we put a stop to this nuelcar nononow 9
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Ue don't need nuclear powar in Oregon; we don't f 10 ,l - i 11 want nuclear power in Oregon. Wo don't vant the radioactiva } l l. 12 wastes produced by nuclear powar plants. And we ran11y g 13 don't want the nuclear weapoac produced from the wasten of 14 nuclear plants. 1 i i 13 And it's your duty, as officiala of tia NRC, to i 1 16 otop it beforo it goon any further; an6 tho shoddy construc - 17 . tion of the control building at 6.'ro. inn in your oppartunity i } 10 to do.co.. And I sincoroly nope you will do it i t I 19 C11 AID:mti 11 ILLER: Thank you. l l i l 20 (Applause.)' 1 l l l 21 CHAIP111.H IIILLER: Ir Craig Darl>y hercY i 1 e r i
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.22 LIMITED APPEARAITCF.~STATEfENT OF CREG DARBY j i: 23 . RESIDENT, PORTLAND OREGO!; i l. 24 . MR. DARDY :' My n-ime in Creg Darby, and I live in 9.. 1 25. Portland. i i' Y L -3
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sophy, and I would like to charo come observations I'vo had i-9 Le in particular.in the field of the philosophy of acience, i a It in commonplaco in the philonophy of science i 5 l .that scientific knowledge is neconsurily relative, fallible,, 4 G {- and incomplete. 'Thaco licitationc in the past have been 7 partially overcone through a narrowing of the caope of in-O quiry-This cort of methodology achieven notable and partial 9 cuccosaan an in evident all around un in our technological 1 j i 'O society. l 11' Itowever the chartcominga of the narrowing of 12 3c entific inquiry are alco clearly evident in the multi-4 h 13 faceted environnental crison which our world nou faces, i 14 Dolatedly aciontists are learning that it is no easy matter 1 15 to consider all relovant facetc in a complex highly inter-i 16 active cyatem. 1-17 Here the incompleteness of our knouledge is ob-1 IU vious. And the means to ascens the total inpact on the 19 environment of anything an complex ac the nuclear powar i 20 industry simply'do nob exist. In recognition of this, much l 2 21 of today's previous testimony hac gone beyond the ctatad a 22 purpose of this hearing: namely to hear tactimony na to l [h [ whether Trojan shall operate while its control building ic 23 I ( 24 modified. O 25. Given the general interconnectednaso of things and ________..__.-.__..____;c.___..______._
1160) I 'I' npb7 tho'dangera of considering too narrow a question, thic h broadening: of scope is entirely' proper. I urgo the ITRC 3 to weigh heavily'all of today's testimony regardicca of. O whether it applice directly to the control building at isano. ~ U Unfortunately many scientists have yet to fully 6 understand the norts of limitationa on their work to which 7 I am rafarring. Thore in a pornistent belief, at timas 0 hordering.on hubrio, which insista that rick analysis, 9 modeling, projectiono, and the like, can hear the atamp of 10 . certainty. II As I have pointed out, all of thaca modela used 12 are nocoscarily uncertuin and incomplete. It ic not possible g 13 to conuider overy factor, allow for overy possible sat of 14 circumstancob, or to acsign reliablo probabilities to all 15 possible.evento. 16 n11 og theco. aspects of acientific nothodology 17 involvo the fallible judgmant of the scientists, and this i-IS-judgment cannot'be elininated from the decisionmaking pro-l 19 cess. A brief example may serve to illustrate my point. 20
- Suppose an omalyst intendc.to study the W sks of 21 a nuclear' plant.
Tiis analycio munt-include potential human 22 error, and included in that category of humsn error are e. 23 errors of omission. Tha analyst, being human, can himaald L l.. 24' crr by' omission, and thereforo caught in the paradox of try-25= ing to account for-the very things he has' loft unaccounted, 6g
I i l 1161 l '; mpb8-Since the univorce contains an infinity of l' 2 poscibilition, thoro is. no way out of thin parado::,, In tho 3 debate over nuclear power too-little attention has bean paid !h 4 to these sorte of linitationc. In part they have baan oh-i i l coured by the technologisto penchant for quantification. f 5 l 1 6
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l l 15. Given that nuclear powar threatenc no leaa than i 16 the entire life'of the carth, and given that our knowledge 17 Lis.neceanarily incomplete, and our scientista neceasarily. IG fallible, it follows that wa must abandon nuclear technology. ] '19 Whilo doing co requires that our scientific and technologies 1 ~ 20 ostablichments adopt a mantic of increased hunility, may I L 21 remind'them that this humbic' attitude was nowhere more ovi-t f 22 dent ~than'in our Einatdin, whose theoretical' work unfortunato3y > y j 23 led to some of today's nuclear moss. I-I l 24' It was Einstein'G belief that, God doce not play 25 dico with'the.univerna. Imd if God does not, ' humanity should 6
f 1162 i I I mpb9 not. 2 Thank you. 3 CliAIR!mM MILLER: Thank you. /^ 4 (Applauco.) O CHAIRI1AU MILLER: IIelen Vozen.dek? Y (No responce.) j 7 Ann Dorfman? 8 ' LIMITED APPEARAUCE STATEMENT OF AMN DOPPMAN 9 MS. DORFMAM: liy name is Ann Dorfman. 10 I guess I'd like to start out by caying if I 11 could I would cay the whole last thing all over again., I la thought it was really beautiful. 13 I didn't come prepared with anything to say, but 14 I was really inopired licteninc to overybody also, and getting 15 idcac from the thinga they were caying, and realizing thorc 16 woro thingc I would really want to elaborate on. And I 17 thought it might ba helpful if I waro to have something to 10 say 10 So anyway, I guess onn of tho things I una most 20 impressed with wac the ctrong lack of truct among the peop3e i 21 here and the sinceroty of PGE and Dechtel in their desire to 22 protect the people and the environment. It's hard for me to O 23 believe that anyone would concciously place economic gain in j 24 front of the safety of ournolves and our world.
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1 + r ' y: 1163 el '. ) .I. mpbl0 would consciously ignore any significant evidenco being i 1 presented to you hare today in support of keeping Trojan chut down. a , k 4 And I may be foolish, but.I trust that you will do ' i t i S I what.you feel is'approprinto and make a wice decision. 3, 6 l I holieve it geoc unsaid that many of us~have l l 7 aircady made our decision, and I can only hopa that you'ra i =i E going at this with an open mind. In trying to understand f 9 how it's possible that peopic like mycelf and peoplo repr:2 - i 10 senting PCF, and 113chtel can possibly hold auch different i li n notions about tN.Onafety of Trojan, I realized it das actunlli- . ( 4 12 being debatw.d as if the possible rich to life was ucrth into g monetary losc that would be necescary to cu_cet it. 13 i 14 I believe I ~ un correct in assuming that if the i 15 corrections could bo done by nomo form of magin involving 16 no losa of tima and no loca of money, the corrections would
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17 be done forthwith without any questionn. ~1 18-You're bajng confronted with the doci.sion of 4 17 whether or nou thic risk'is emnll enough or insignificant 20 enough.amon'g the already. numerous hazards of nuclear power .21 industry for it to'be worth _the nonotary losc that would bn
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..y. f l 4 1164 l1 (' i I mpbil I of'the generations'beyond uc. But the representatives of -. ] 2' PGE and Bochtel have.baan carefully celected, probably to I l como extent for.the dedication and faith in their own cow-L.q [D porations. And they are primarily here because PGE will 4 i 1 0 lose money' and that Bechtel will loco none of its.reputatior. 6; .of the NRC decides'that Trojan must remain chut down until j 7 the repairri are completo. 8 It is because of thic pocsible loss that they want l' 9 'to convinco you that Trojan ic cafe. The reprecontativen of j j t-10 Beclitel and PGH will probably_give you very ntrong evidenca l J i 11 that Trojan ic safe in its precent condition, and no doubt ) 4 1 i' i2 they believe that it.in. And in many respects it is. But. ! { 13l it 10 my contention that no nuclear power plant should be-l 14 considered safe as long as it can be made cufor. And it in 1 l 15 clear that at thia. point much can be done to increase the 16 safety of Trojan. 1 ) i 17 .I think it'c'important to remember that you're 18 dealing with the lives of thousando and thoucanda of peoplo. 19 And.in your hando is pinced the responcibility that if sone-20 . thing might happen and comething should go wrong, that's 4 i-21- . what;the decision you'ro making.ia, in peopic'n lives. 22 Thank you. O I 23' .CHAITUtAM MIILLER:, Thank you, I-24 (Applause.)-' ?. l l ,~ ~ CHAIRMAN MILLER: Daniel Platt? l 25-i l-l l. \\ l- }
I 1105 i 1 rapb12 (17o response.) l i-2 -p Bob fIaginnic? 3t i j (ITo response.) 'I Helen Vonenilek? i i S -(No recponne.) O I may ha micprchwuncing the name. [ i f. 7 VOICEt She's not here. i O CITAIn?W1 11 ILLER: Thank you,, 9 All right. [ -Is there anyono who had uritten in and requestu6 10 l 11-an opportunity who has not been heard, camcone who van non 12 ~ j here perhaps this morning when I went through the list cf 60 1 6 } 13 people? j 1 l 14 Yes, your namn, pleano? { ) l l 15 MS. UUAT: Laclie What. 1G CIIAIRMAli MILLER: U-a-t-t? i 1 i 17 MS. WIlhT: U-h-a-t, i I f8 CHAIRMAN IIILLER: Would you like to be hearci? I 19 MS. WHAT: Ycs. c i i' 20 LIMITED APPEAIW7CE STATEME!TT OF LESLIE WiiAT l .PI MS% WITAT: There wa0 a man named Charlie Hendricks i i 22 who called himself an carthquaho czpart. IIe made himself a l 23 lot of money by nelling swampland cost of Portland to spect- ,i I s j .M. Intors.who were hooduinked into believing they would samed y i 25c cwn beachfront.proparty, after "The Big Earthquake.' t-1 i i ,4....,
4 I. j' 116G e l-t l' b .mpbl3-Charlic'had' access to information nono of'the r2st ! l. 2' of us-do.. We cannot predict when "The nig Earthquake" will 3 occur,-or even if it will occur. All we can do is utiliceL our good judgment in the construction of our manmade world 5 on an unpredictable but beautiful earth, f .It is not good judgment to construct a thermal 6 7 plant on geologically unsound land., I am awaro that Trojan 8 l would not be granted its procent site if it were being built I 9' today. 10 It is not good judgment to construct a thermal i Il plant which does not moet federal carthquake unfety standards. l 12 These standards Woro designed to protect the public wolfare g 13 'agains.t folks who, because of their perspective, care more i 14 abott their.oun perconal welfaro than the well-being=of the i i 15 public. 10 It'is not good judgment to allow a tharmal plant 17 l ~the right to remain open until all repairs on the control 1 i I j 10 room and the possibly unsound coolant pipes are completad. l l 19 True,-there has been no carthquake yet, and the plant has 20 existed with.these faults.since opening. But. geologic tima 4. 21-does not rt.6gnise the myth of "it can't happen here". It j P . 22 is simply poor judgment to. Play a slot machine game with l J .,0- . 2._> nuclear power. 1 gc 24
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N i 1 t n. 1 1 J- .mpbl4 .I Orogon so that.the public could reasonably expect me-tu i 2 g a standardized ~degroo'of' competency and so that I would 3 held accountabic for any actions I do which would have harm 1 h on peop1in my care, 4 e t i { S Profoccionalswhoseactionnmayhaveeffectconthe[ l l G' public must be hold accountablo for those actionc. i 5 7 Surely, accountability uould be in question if a l t ( l 8 health care facility, a known fire trap was allowad to 9 remain'opon until it was repaired. Thore have been many j 10 incidents whore scores of residents have periched in flanca 11' becauco the ownern of health care facilitica utilized poor 12 judgment in the operation of their facility., i' 13 I have made life or death decisions. Theco timen ) f t 14 always floor me. It'a quite a realination to knou that poor i i 15 judgment on my-part could maan the death of another human 4 16 being. I I k 17 You are potentially making a life or death deci-l } 18 aion. If you allow the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant to remain 19 open.While cafety repairs are being completed,.you will be i 20 exorcicing-very poor judgment which may have a devastating 'I 21 effect on tlio liven of Inunan beings I -I am a ned Cross disaster worker. Most disastoro 22 ..we deal with involve ningle' families with occasional flooda 24 involving?perhapa 50 to.100 people. .I parsenally do not 25 - 1selieve that the energency health care providers are trained L j l i
c ll 1168 l mpbl5~ ortequipped to deal ~with a disaster of the magnitudo of a' ( 2 structurally threatening earthquake on'or near the Trojan 3 facility. But that's a bit off the subject. 4 When and if the earthquake happens is not the issua 5 The issue ~is whether a known hazardous facility should bo '6 allowed to operato until repaira are completed,. 7 We can prevent the tragedy. Un can uso proventc~ 8 tivo' carc 'instead of waiting until after it happens, and .j 9 utilize good judgment and heap the plant closed. -] .10 Thank you, j 11 CitAIRMAN MILLER: Thcnk you. 12 .(Applause.) '13 CITAIRMAM MILLER: Is thero anyone'clse who has g 14 requested leave to make a limited appearance statement, oral 15 or written, that has not boon heard? '16 Yes, sir, your namo? 17 IIR. WALDROM: Joh Waldrono 18 CIIAIRMAN 11 ILLER: IInd you written in before? 19 fin. WALDROM: Yes, I did. 20 CIIAIRMAN MILLER: Come forward. You may make 21 -your statement. 22 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF JONATIIAM UALDROM i ~ 23 IIR. WALDRON: It seems to me that the nuclear 24 industry has a lot of inertia, and that the history of the 25 nucient industry has been to get' things done'quickly, t e
11Gt - I: I npbl6 e:cpediently, ~ and; that this unfortunately hac ' resulted in h repeated ignoring lboth of experto and of people like the 2 '3 people who' ara coming up to say comething today; From-( g 4 professors or engineers who. lost their jobs because at the 5 vary start they thought that nuclear power might not he cafe, { 6' -to people liko myself, who are not affected by the ccanomier I .of nuclear power'at all. The agencies, the MRC and the pot.Tr 1 0 corporations thomccivos have taken the attitude that if you l-O let us take care of power, if you let us tako caro of the 10 politics, we will ces to it that everything comss out all 11 .right. '12 And it's very distressing to sit in the audience h 13 and watch people come up and talk, and then sit down again, { 14 becauco I cannot help but holieve that very few people aro l 15 lichening. And it's hard for mo to believe that the NRC i {' 16 is listening. 1;- 17-As regaron what you're trying to decido now, it 10 seema clear to mo that the atudico hava not been done that i L 19 would ahow that the Trojan cite is geologically cafo. Thoao 20 independent studico have not bacn done which would show j i It's I '21 that the control room'or the Trojcn building ic eafe. l-221 been the corporations, it's been Bechtel, it's been PGE .O 23' who's been in-charge of this,'and they have a vected interant 24 .in whether Trojan will stay open, in whether nuclear powcr .O 23 will continue to be their means'of nroviding energy. l ..-..~.:.--.- -- i -.
1170 I I mpbl7 What can na say? We're not experta. And even if 2 (j^ we were c::perta, we can't argue with the fact that an expert can come up here and truthfully nay there is no evidence that G 4 we are incurring has:ard becauco tho evidence has not bctn e sought, and it's nevar been sought. 6 The nuclear industry repeatedly ignoroc HRC regula-7 tions, as in the case of the geologic citing of the Trojan U Plant, repsatedly ignoren voicca of scientista and c::perts 9 who are in a position to ha concerned. The c: ports that 3 10 you will hear are people working for the corporationa uho 11 are monetarily interosted in thic proemding. 12 Why are there NRC regulationa? Uhy is there a
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13 possibility for me to como up here and nay comething about 14 them? I don't know. 15 I'm going to sit down very coon, and the day will 16 he over very soon,, And it's going to be very quiet in this 17 auditorium,, And you're going to make a decision. I don't 18 nee how you could w.4th nuy faith at all decido that tha evi-19 dcnco is nubatantial enough to warrant reopaning the Trojan 20 Plant. 21 I don't ceo how you can think that it'n worthwhile 22 .avidence to say that the dangers haven't bcon found when 23 the dangers haven't been looked for. I realice that I can't 24 ack nembers of a Nuclear Regulatory Agency to come out P 25 against nuclear power, and I'm not asking that. But I'm e
l lJ j s 1171 l l I 'I mpbl8 asking that in this caco, in this particular hearing, you o g follow your own regulations. You look for the evidence. 3 You commission an independent study. You find out for sura 4 and.for certain'whether or not there are prob 1cus with the f i 5, Trojan Nuclear Power Plant, and find out now, and not reopen i 6 the plant. 7 l Thank you. 4 { E q CUAIR!iAN 1:1 ILLER: Thank you. j 9 'L (Applause.) l l 10 CHAIR 11Au MILLER: Anyone uho has requented to ba { i 13 heard who hasn't had the opportunity yet? I 4 1 i 12 !!R. MAGIITNIS: Bob Maginnia, f I 13 CIIAIRMAM !! ILLER: Your nano, sir? g 1 l 14 MR. ?!AGIfnIIS: Dob Maginnis j I i5 CHAIRMAM MILLER: Yed. l end i IW)ELON 16 e i EDLOOM '1ws 17 f 18 19 i 20 I l 22 23 .24
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WRBloon 1172 i; fIs'MADELON I .2e obl; 1 ' LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF ROBISRT MC GUINDI S, 1-2 RESIDEliT, CONDON, GRECO:1 3 MR. MC'CUINESS: My name 13 Dob McGuinces._ I
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live in Condon, Oregon, which in near the site of the pro-- 5 .poced Pebble Springs plant. ) J I have been-against nuclear power for several 7 years, and I'vc bocn apending most of my time trying to stop l 0 the Pebble Springs plant from being built. After reading ti;c 4 0 newspaper accounts and auch about this control building 10 problem, I've kind of gotten tc. wonder about a feu things. l 11 I mycolf have done a lot of work in heavy con- ) J l 12. struction and I know that uuually if somebody is losing tho 13 alleged $200,000 a day that PG! is cuppocedly locing by no,. 14 having the power plant operating, that they would certainly~ 15 have repaired the problem by now. Apparently they haven't 16 been doing this work becauce they have to go through tho l 17 hearingu procesa. 18 I have also noticed that PGi0 has usually gone 10 ahead and done what they wanted to, and then lot people l -20 shout about it later. I'm surpriced they haven ' t done thia i i' '21 co far. 22 I havo looked at the plans for the control buil6-23 ing and just from a coat-of-the-pants engineering standpoint, 24 -I think that putting three quarter inch rebar on two-fcot h 25 centers is'maybe about_ half as much stool as they abould hrxe 1 l - r; r
1173 eb2 1 put in the building. P. It looks like the building was built in about the 3 same standards, that is, uith respect to stool reinforcing 4 bar, and the ratio of that to the concrete that they put in ) 5 the building, and presuntably we need that steel to hold the j I G concreto together while an earthquaho ic happening. 7 So my uneducated guess would be tlwro'n only half 8 as much steel, reinforcing stacl, in the building as there 9 ought to be to make a really bombproof building. 10 But what really amazca me, and if I was pro-j) nuclear and if I was a ratepayer of PGE, which I'm not - I 12 get the cheaper PUD power,. If I were a ratepayar and if I 13 were pro-nuclear, I would be amazed that PGE has not already 14 done the work. They've had four or five months or comething. i 15 I.'ve been around construction cites enough to nnow that if i ] 16 you're losing money, you don't wnate any timo getting the 37 engineering done, and you go ahead and start uork tonorror. 18 It just seems rather odd, and I kind of get the 19 feeling that PGE might bo making fools out of both the URC P.0 and the Intervenors. They can get a lot oZ presa otating taat 21 the NRC is nit-picking, and they also get to cay that the -22 Trojan Decommissioning Allianco in costing the connuner a lot i 23 of money, and this sort of thing. pj But I would think if they were really worried ab ut their 1 suec that they would have already finiched 25 k' 4
1171 eb3 1 their work by now, and they could have done ib when tbo plent 2 .uas chut down. 3 I kind of wonder if there might be come other O 4 prob 1em gerhege with their eteem eemerator or so=cehing 1ixe 5 that. I understand that they've had some problems in othe2 6 nuclear plants with corronion and denting and leaks and whet-7 not in the Uectinghouco atoam generator which I also under-8 ctand they have at Trojan. 9 It also secmo kind of odd to solve this prob 1 cit, l 10 that is, the lack of earthquake resistance of the building, j i 1 11 by building an addition onto it. I'd think that they would, 12 if necessary, plate the walls that are in question. They 13 could just plate them on both sidea with an inch of steal rnd 14 lots of bolts and what-not, and this job could have already 15 been done. 16 Dut I am antinuclear and I am delighted to neo 17 that the plant ia shut down. I hope it stays chut down for - 18 ever. Dut whatever my percussion ac tar as my feelinge e. tout 19 nuclear pouer, I simply can't underntand why PGE hann't dor.a 20 it already. They can go ahead and scy that, llall, uo can't l 21 do it because the NRC won't let ua but as I naid, they hcwe 1 22 usually done things before, without permission, and I would .I 23 think that they would have done - if they're really locirs v 1 24 thin kind of money, th at they would have already finished 1 25 the repairs and this meeting wouldn't even be nocacsary. l i Il
4 l 1175 '~ l eb4 11 Thank'you. 2' CHAIRMAU MILLER: Thank you. L 3 (Applance.) I i l 4 CHAIRMAN' MILLER: Ic there anyone else Uho has 5 requested leave to make a limited statement?- l j 6 IG' Daniel Platt here? [ 7 LIMITED APPEAiWICE STATEMENT OF DANIEL PLATT, l I i HAIG, PORTLAND, OREGON i 0 1194 S.E. 9 MR PLATT: My name is Daniel Platt. I'm a j 10 Portland resident, and I greu up here in Oregon. I was l 11' raised out' in remote ranger stations and I'm not oblivious j 1 l 12 to the eternal mysterics of nature, but I'm not here to re- ,;g '13 . iterate the' views of.the Trojan Daccinnianioning Alliance. I 14 I cuppoce I'm one cf those c:<ceptions that :Jornen 15 - Soloman 1:cferred to earlier I havo no connection with i i Iti PGE other than that I pay a substantial portion of my pay-i 17 check-to them, and I'm self-employed an a musician. L ja Gentleman of the NRC, you are chcrged with the 10 responsibility of regulating the nuclear inductry on -issuen l ofi safety, and I'have much confidence in your ability to do 20 i l 21 so. There is no shortage of competent data and opinion on l 22 the whole spectrbm of nuclear-related issues. p2 I'would like to parenthetically refer to.an 24 earlier speaker who pointed out a correlation between lou-2g level radiation and incidence of' leukemia, to the etudy by r (M r =gwgisieyveretp ry w.y see---rtutw vywisy--y =yw' w wwee tq=ry w ets y .w 'y + r ww=
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117J l eb5 1 LDr. Norman Frigerio of the Argonne' National Labs, a nation-l 2 wide study'looking 'for relationships botveen low-level f '3 ' radiation'and incidesce of leukemia and a'l forma of cancer l {- 4 that competently dicpela the myth: generated by the Mancuso I 5. study and the unsciantific musings of Dr. Rosalic. Bertoll. 5 That study found that the Rocky Mountain chates i {' 7 have the highest background radiation and the lowest inci-O donce of leukemia and all forms of cancer, and if no were I 9 to believe ' Mancuso and nortell, everybody in colorado ought I i 10
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11 I would like to remind you however, gentlemen r 12 of-the NRC, that your. task is not an cacy one, for you must 13 take into account'a complen balanca of cocial foreca. As you 14 are well aware, there's an antinuclear movement in the U.'S-, 15 composed primarily of alienated sectors of thic country's 16 middle class. At the came time, blacks and other minoritica } 17 are living under depression levolc of unemployment, and the 10 National Association for the Advancement of Colored Poople 19 made clear 'in its energy <::tatemant at the beginning of this t l 20 year that any energy program that hold. any hope of rectifT-21 'ing thin ' cituation must emphatically 3 nclude the further 3 h-22 . development of nuclear technology,' including the breeder. l ~ 23: Our vestern European and Jaoanece allies, who 24 are concerned about our doteriorating economy, urged us at l 25 this summer's' Bonn cunnit to make nuclear energy a priority, i l i 1 c;... _ _. _. u _: b J- -i----------------------------
l 1177 ob6 1 yet the leadership of the-U._S. Dcpartment of Energy has 2 chonen to give precedence to other, less viable technologies. 3 The authors of the U. S. Constitution foresaw 4 complex icsues of'thic nature, and attempted to incorporate 5 in that document ins ~urance that, no mattor how incompetent any i 6 given Administration, Congresa or Suprorne Court might be, the 1 / power of reason might have an opportunity to prevail. 8 Earlier this week you uitneaaca an attempt by at i 9 umall group of individuals, who are largely ignm ant of the 10 . technical questiona being diccussed, wholly ambivalent toward 11-the plight of the poor in this country and clsouhare, and IP. outspokenly. hostile to the humanist outlook embodied by the '13 U. S. Constitution, you sau this group of individuals. attempt g to subordinato the rule of reason to the rule of the mob. 15 This cituation una analogouc to the various mob 16 actions that have taken place at plant citos around tho 37 country and reficcts the frtwtration on the part of those who 19 are unable to substantiate their claims before legal bodies 39 auch as this one. That the cituation was allowed to deterior-20 ate as far as it did Monday bodes ill for the future of thio i .cruc al debate on energy. 21 22 _ In conclucion, I truct that the ultimate decician 23 oflthe NRC will rest on hard evidence and will be made in thc 2<1 best long-term interests of all the people in thic ragion. l I would like to ask the TDA contingent to pleasa 25 l 1 ~ 1
l 1173 l I ob7 1 hold its applause. I 2 (Applause.) 3 CIIAI1UiAN MILLER: Thank you. I 4 Mark Albanese. 5 LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEIGNT OF MARi' ALDLUESE, 6 1734 S.E. LADD, PORTLANDr ORECOM 7 !!R. ALDANESE: ity name is Mark Albanese. I have r G lived most of my life in California. I'va been an Oregon 0 resident for about a.vecr. I fac1 mect like a. citizen of tha : 10 world. i 11 During the period of my educatien for a career 12. as a clincial psycho 3.ogist I had the experience of working in 13 a state hospital for 2,000 genetically defective human 14 beings. These were, for the most part, corapletely unablo 15 to care for themselvos. Their problems ranged from cimply 1 16 not having the intelloct to cope with an increasingly com-1 17 plicated world to the r.out tragic and heartbreaking physical ) to anomanlies: hondo threa, four, or five times regular aize, 1 i 19 blindness, dysfunctional, non~cxistent or twisted limbs or l 20 genitalia, and so on. 21 Man of those people, no mattar hou old, were un-I 22 able to co:itrol even their most basic excretory functions. I 23 I don't think thoro is much ques tion that the i 1 a 24 possibility of genetic damage to all species from nuclear i 25 radiation in real and growing ever more prevalent, a danger l l t-i i
l 1173 obD 1 that will reach all nogmonta of our population, even the mest 2-g alienated or the most privileged. l. 3 Giving birth to a genetically damaged child ic 4 auch a personal disaster for people that some parents never 1 4 1 s 5 complotoly outgrow the pain, the guilt, andthedespair,cvan{ 6 .if that tragedy was in no way their own fault. 7 Uhat I want to say to you in thic: O Society no it nou exista in complotoly unable to o properly carc for the developmentally disabicd citizenn tre to already have. Care facilities in the United Staten are 11 abysmally poor. They are centorc of mismanagement,' neglect, Ii 12 and real brutality. i i g 13 Despite a legion of dediccted workers, facilities I 14 operate with such small recources that society's children, l 13 whatever their own individual potential, are only warehoused i 16 and face what can truly be called a lifetima centence of i 17
- death, g3 I ask you, what are wo to do when the 2,000 19 recidenta of tho'hopsital where I worked hc.ve grown to 4,000, 20 or 8,000 or 10,000?
What are we going to do when it becomes 1 21 likely that any child born in Portland, Oregon, vill auffer i 22 genetic'anomanlies? i 23 I would like you to consider rhother the produc-24 tion of ' dubiously needed quantutaa of cicatricity is storth h the coct in human pain a d cuffering. 33 i l 1 a ,,m.....,-._-..., - ~
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1130: 1 j-4- i eb9-1 ~ That'c'all I have. 1 !'o: 2 (Applause.) n . 3 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you. l 4- ) .h 4 Does anyone cloc wish to be heard? i-2e 5- .6 7 i i 0 l l h l l l l 10 1 11 I2'
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I-i lla1 4 1 9 L LIMITED APPEMUdiCE - STATEMENT OF CAROLIlic PARKS 2F agbl 4 n L A RESIDENT OI' 'PORTLP.ND, OREGOR l l 3' MS. PMGS: My name in Carolino Parke, and I'm .e. a a Portland resident. l I s i The first thing I would like to say is to echo i I g what a few peopic have said today, and that is that I'm sure Y I j there are a whole lot laore people who uould have things to t 0 l say to you cxcept that not very many people have the oppor-3 i 9' tunity to make the choice in their livcc not to uork cight i o 10 hours a day, five days a wook juct to support themselvoa, 1 or to happen to have a job which pays them to bc hora, 1 l 12 c cither participating from the inductry point of view or ac t I h citizen. 14 I'd like to know if there han bocn any provisicn 1 O made to allow thoce'pcoplo to have input into this prococc. , i U Ilave you planned any evening sessionc? l U CHAIRMAli MILLER: No. 1 l i U We'ref It's possible in the future. I don't know. D very busy now uith the evidentiary hearing. We do wish to i ) 20 schedulo - I don't know, ua'll try, j 20 j. HowcVer, I point out that writton statements cc.n be made and will be considered by the Board. We've han f ..!h i 23 l only a few from people who-have difficulty getting here. I t f 3 l-Et t 'e It can certainly be vary helpful in achieving input. If 1 4 p 25 - 3 there's anything you can do to encourage that on the part } U ~ I 'l -,,.,,,,.--...-,,.oe.4,....-._g...-..~.-.- -..-.----c.---..-------------
1182 1 !I agb2 -of thoco who can't be hero today or tomorrow, for example, t ) they'll be given full consideration. The opportunity in-3 there right now and henceforth. 14S. PARKS: I'm also real curious as to exactly 5-i what our input will maan to these proceedings, how much = 6 consideration will be given, what it means to the dcciaio.n 7 that you make. t 0 CIMIR!IAN MILLER: In there anybody else who 9 t unnts to be heard? 1 10 VOICE: I have a feeling that - 11 CIIAIIGIAN 14 ILLER: I'm not cutting you off, 12' ' l'm just trying to find out where uo utand, h It might be helpful if we deccribed, cinea this I i 1/" cecms to be an opportune moment - I think as mont of you :n;cw, this is a Iiuclear Regulatory Licensing Board which was octablished to hold ovidentiary hearingo on the issmo con-k; IO 17 corning both interin operation and the adequacy and auffi-18 ciency, from a safety standpoint, of uhatever modification 19 l may-be involved. 1 i +10 Since that's an on-going hoaring, I won't, of .nj p course, go into the evidenca which wa're henring in Salem, I t ,A, which we heard Monday, Tuesday and Waducsdcy He thought it .O. .23 well to provide input, limited appearanccc carly in the lli 24. z proceeding, so the fourth and fifth day are devoted to that. 25 He reaumn the evidentiary hearing next week. i 'i i
l i 1183 4 1 I agb3 no doubt it's frustrating to souc of the parti-2 cipanto becauso the evidentiary hearing is a trial-type j proceeding, wo didn't ectablich the rules but that's the why it is. I 5 And I know there are some folks here who've been 4 l 6 in attendance at the hearings in Salem. So the opportunity i '7 horo is to have input. 4 Now the statementa are not evidenca. It's obvious l 8 + f f 1 l. i 9 that you don't have sworn testimony, e:: pert or non-expert l 4 to documenta. But on the other handtids doa not mean that it i 11 does not.have input, becaus6 it do w. j i 12 Wo probably linten more than coaa of you realize. l 1 13' We road whatcyor ic submitted. linfortunately, at the noment, g 14 it's pratty aparse. I' IS It's obvious alco that, as an adjudicstory board ) i ) 16 hearing evidence, applying the rulac of ovidence,that our 17 function is not that of come of the overall qucationa that 10 you and others may addreau to us. Thia docan't nnan that l 19 we're not' interested. It docan't maan, also, that there 20 may not be applications ao the hearing goen on' by none of fi 1 21 the partica, the Intervonors or the Board. ( l 22 So the input is nomathing that's both desired I l' . r23 an'd - significant. { 24 Now that, I think, is an c::planation of the funchich i y .Of limited appearancas and of two degree of input. I j. y i J.,;L...-...-,_. ~.,-..-,-,._e._ 24v - -. C - __,,~__-___m_ -_______._____m..---..-_,___-.m._~..-,.---,,-.m -e.
I I 1134 . l i g -agb4-And I think that the Suprema Court recently, 2 l in the Vermont Yankee case, pointed out that. the decision i i. j as to the. commercial.uco of nuclear facilities for the production 'of electricity and other mattero in a decision madd,.not by the Supreme Court, not by the_ Huclear Regulatory i G l-Commission but by the Congreso.. We, in an administrative wa:(, are regulating an i industry in accordance with the decision of Congress, the 9 statutes and our own regulations, that'a our function. j So we want you to realido how-we fit into the 4 !~ U picture. No want to assure.you and everyone here that your p 12-input _ic both important and, insofar as it pertains to the i. 13 -lar,ucc which we have jurisdiction over, will be. concidered. I4 In soma respects, it already han had a contain M ' mpact. But we won't gofinto that more, since we are i .M adjudicatory, it would not be proper for me to talk about j '17 the ovidence obvioucly nor would you want it. But we'ra 0 l M 'hore to get the input now. l 4 E I don't want'to engage in discussion because, I
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.once again, we arc deciding -- wo haven't made up our minds i a i i 121 e about'anything. It's going' to be made up frota the record 2i2 and that.ovidenco isn't in. Wu don't know right now, [ I there ara.many,'many.icsues and nubicsue- 'M t For that reason,.it-would not be oroper for un l-i 4 g tio engago even in discuccion as to evidence. You wouldn't .25 t j c l- ,.4 l i j ,,..u,-,....,,,,n, ?..,-, - - - - - - - - - - - - ~ ~ ~ ~ ' ~ ~ ~ ~ ^ ~ ~ ~ ^ ^ ^ ^ ~ ^
l! R 1185' I l 1 1 agb 5 want a case you were intercated in to be prejudgod or pre-I deto'rmined', I don't believe. 3 Now you asked rne for the. frcmework, I'm trying i g '4 l-to. describe it.. If you have any -quections that dcri't invclve 5 us acting-in an adjudicatory capacity, gonting into mattern 6 that we chouldn't, uc'll bo glad to try, cince uc have a little i ~( F. time, anything that you uould like to ask. f U MS. PARKS: That's fine for no. 9 I'm just thinking of the spent f~uel hearings in 10 l January, when wo wero. told by whoever was the Chairperson of l U 'that hearing that public input really didn't mean a >7 hole ) 12 lot to the procaodingc. We ucren't experts, we had no, 1 13 you know, basis for our remark. So it was ocsentially -- I '14 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Well, it was another.isHue 1 l iS and another Board. Hemayhavebeenspeakingoftheeviden1:iary) t ., G. f i' aspcota and, of course, statements unsvorn and the like i 17 ahouldn't be regarded as evidence by anyone. But that 10 doesn't say that.they don't have a very useful and important 19 function. That's the distinction I'm trying to make - tho l 20 fact that they're not evidentiary, which it correct, the [ 21 'way the_ regulations are set up.. l-j L 22 g
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and in come casen more cignificant probeJaly than the individuaN 3-realize., That's why we want to give you full opportunity. l. 4 MS. PAIU{S : Thank you. i 5 I-don't have a whole' lot to say. I'm not very 6 . good at this. But a couple of questions I want to bring up. 7 .First of all, thinking of the way that PGE dealt 0 l-with tho spent fual question and the fact that it was alreaciy 9 decided before the NRC mada their decicion - I maan, the 10 racks wore built, it was already castracd that it was going to go ahead - I question the - I'm not cure, I'm not sure f 11 1 } i 12' how much truct I have in the corporation that, if they"re g-givon the go-ahead on starting the plant up while they do the 13 14 construction, while they do the repairo, that the repairs i 15 will actually get built. l 16 Their main J.ntereGt right nou is to get tho l !I 17 plant, started up. And onca that happena it'a very cacy for [ 18 them to slide things by and not take the responsibility to 10 j do those things, especially once it has been admitted or l I t <:0 i.tecepted that the plant can function at lower atandards that - il n l 21 it has bean, than it is liconacd for,, i-22 Also, it's been brought up coveral timea, the lh i 23 " question.of, you know, overy time do turn around we're finding) 4 1 24 .out something new'that's wrong. And there just isn't any i,I L25
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] having all the energy no want, it just isn't -- none of 9-l those coma close to kooping thinga alive. l 10 As far as the need for power, there have been j U l several studica done that show that conservation in a way 12 that would not drasti~cally change our lifestylcs could provido, g 13 a substantial amount of the energy that we necd for other 14 things, just being more officient about the thingo we have j 15 and that that's also something that overyone has to share in. i i 16 And then the aspect that someone cice mentioned I ,j j. 17 of committing a uhole lot noro of our recources in recearch 4 l 18 to learning how to uso the cun and the vind in a real l i 19-effective way. l 20 As far ac the cost to the ratepayern: It isn't l' l 21-our problem that PGE signed this contract with Bechtel that j i i 22' puts PGE in a position:of liability. 8 And I don t fecl that ' O. 23 I should have to pay for it. 24 I-just ' hope that you will' rcalize that the rickc.- - 25; that wd'ro talking about here,.you~can't predict an earthquake,l U *sv e w e wv e-r-, w '-n e* v ** -r -~
? 1103 i agb8 you cauPt predict that it's going to happan, you know, at a 2 certain level when all the evidence as to carthquaka incidents 3 around. Trojan 'was not brought out in the original bearings, there just icn't any excusa to continue to operate it when 's we don't know what kind of ricks we're running up against. 6 (Applauso.) .7 CHAIRMAN 11 ILLER: Thank you, D Anyone elce who has acked to be heard? I think 0 I have only one nama on the supplemental list, Helen Vosoudelch 10 is she here? II (No responce.) 12 In there anyonc from my original liat of re-13 questing percons which I read this morning, and a nutrher of M whom have been heard, ic there anyone from that liat who 15 wasn't here thic morning who wishen to be heard? 16 (No rocpouac.) 17 Is there anyone who just wiches to bo heard? 10 LIIIITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF CAMEROI! IIUBBE IO-A RESIDENT OF OREGON 20 MS. HUBDE: I'm nowhere close to being as wall 21 'inforrnod as I would like to be, but I'm not really ignorant ( - ?.2 cither. The'information that I've read about the dangers .23 of nuclear power aren't covered usually in the mass media. 24" But really the sourco I'u most concerned about -- - 25 ignorant, too, though -- is the small but very powerful voice kl ____-_______n--;.
) -1109 l 6 agb9 insideLme, that's the guidance of God that I feel. l' 2
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3a l f wrong to. endanger the future of this planet and all'tne I$ 4 -people who come for our chort-term necdc for energy. 5 ~And even if nuclear power was the moat economic and plentiful and reliabic cource of power, which it isn't, .l' 7 still it would be wrong to' permanently endanger the lives a.. and future of all people to'come. E.o the operation of Trojan 0 deeply concerns me, because I care no much about thic life. 10 My passion is really arouced at this. I am horror-stricken enough by the operation of any nuclear planc, I P^ no matter how up to. standards it may be, for there are still 4 U g large risks involved and unsolved questions in operation M and transportation and.atorage. E 15-But sinc 2 the incue here being discuoced ic. M its safety ~and not the need for power or the costa involved, )A then I think certainly you chould chcoco tha safest option, 4 18 - which in to keep'it clocad until all the investigation ic M j .made. 20 And for the investigation and repair, I think a 'd,,' non-biased party should be chosen to do that who hac no R ' monetary'or agotistioni investuent in the matter, when lives l23 are dependent upon this. I think it is the only thing that M t makes cense and it is the only just approach. i U In addition to - that, I think that instead of l s 5,
7-1190 1 agb10 looking~at it as an isolated issue, I think we need to look 2 g. at it as part.of a' pattern that in recurring,that we do 3 keep accing things that are wrong -- that arc wrong in the construction and everything else. And we should try to 5 catch it before nonething worso happens. G' CIIAIMUni MILLER: - Thank you. 7 (Applauce.) 0 Doon anyone elco wish to be Cl! AIM 1AN MILLER: 9 heard? 10 VOICE: My name was not on the lict, but I would 11 like to make a ntatement. 12 CIIAIlUiAN MILLER: Very well. Come forward, g please. cnd2P 15 l 16 s i 18 i i 10 i 20 21-22-23 u j. g-
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1191 i 2g obl 'l LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF1 DOROTHY LUNDAHL, 2 RESIDENT, PORTLAND, OREGON 3 MS. LUNDAHL My nama.is Dorothy Lundahl. I 'in a 4 . citizen of Gresham, a nuburb of Portland,. Oregon. 5-I also. feel strongly that the possible dangers G that'aro evident from wh'at wo read in the newa media, frcm 7 what we hear, plua the rumors of the other discoveries of G. possible design and construction errora in the control build-9 . ing cannot but give all of un cause for great concern. 10 Dangers arc there not only in pipec that may be leaking, 11 lowering of pool water leveln or rupture of the waste tank, 12 loss,of water in the cooling system, besides exposure of g 13 personnel to higher radiation levcis. 14~ Decause of the frailty of our human condition I 15 and that un do not know what to expect, what's going to happen 10 around the cornor, I do feel very strongly that these matters ( 17 have.to be taken care of first. 18 I do receive noticca now and then from other 19 people who aro'intercated in nuclear matters around the 20 country. And-I underctand that the HRC admits that they did 21- ' have a gross-underestimate of health conseguances from, for j i 22 inctance, radon-222, the cmissions from thoriam-230 and 1 ..9-.~ 23 uranium-238 in the mill tailings. When using reasonabic 1 1 21 assumptions theco emissiona can lead to some 500,000 dea @s 25' by cancer as-a result of' fueling'a single 1,000-megawatt ~ i .A
1192 A l. eb2 1 reactor for a 30'-year cporating life. 2 Now this effect la projected. Say, for inctan=2, l. 3 the nwnbar of years a coal--fired plant -- what you would ca.ll .h 4 maybe the'cancor offects of a coal-fired plant, the deaths 5 would amount to 70 over against 90',000 from this report. Andl i 6 I quoto from-- This'is a Sierra Club printing. I 7 "The Environmontal Impact Statomont 0 which have permitted licences today are defectiva 9 and the NRC now recognizes the enormoun error in 10 Table S-3 in regard to radon-222 releaces." 11 This is just one area which might not cound like 1 12 it is related to the control room case, but theco kind of 13 things do bother me. ja For instanco, the plutonium nov from the nuclear 15 plants around Lake Michigan, they say that the concentretion 4, 1 16 of plutonitra in the sediments of Lako Michigan near the I 97 nuclear power plants were negligible, but 50 miles across ti.e 19 Lake where currents have carried the offluent and the sodi-l Ig mentation rate is high, the concentration of plutoniu:n was
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) 21 weapons.. I 22 I!cre is another area that we juct did not realire h what wac going to be happening until it's too late. 23 24 Having grown up around the chcres of Lako Michiran, h I cannot. help but. feel a'terribic, terrible loss thinking tlat -25 p
7_._..___._____-.-- k. 1193 u p ob3 l' not.only are people's lives, health and safety endangered, 2 but all kinds of life. .- 3 I also understand.that Wisconsin has vetoed new-1l,'h', 4 nuclear plants becauce of 78. days 'of hearings, over two j ~ i.
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.l.f ~0 The nuclear. plants woro likely'to be more costly than coal f l-7. planto, considering-the uncertainty of nuclear fuel prices, 8 'the' problem of' disposing of radioactive'vanton safely', and 9 the cost of decommictioning the plant when it was no longer i .j 10 ~ producing. i 11 Thic was from the Chicago Sun-Times newspaper, 4 12 August 19, 1970. i 13 I congratulate Uisconcin,.that they did voto any
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i f 15 cafety hazards that they do realine. is And I just wonder why it is people cannot une a } 17L their imagi I believe that mayho lay imagination is s j ta more acuto.than some peopic's. T 2 19; I'really feel that we should imagine uhat the 20' future generationn have to live with, and that their health and safety in: ust na important as ours. j 21 ,? 22 Thank you. pa (Applause.)' 4 1 24 CHAIPJIAM MILLER: Thank'you. -g AnyCne GlSe CarG to DO ho3rd? r, F,) ^ y .2 -%--~..-.~~-------i- ~ ~ - - - - - - - - -
i i 1194 i l' il j eb4 I LIMITED: APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF VALENTINE NEMCEK 2 MR. HEMCEK: I would like to mention that the 3 lady who occupied thic chair previously displayed somo ~ 4 cmotion, that perhaps if more of us could cry about this i j 5 situation: which is developing in this country due to the [ ~6 short-sightedness of nuclear regulatory officials, this f f 7 country may have an opportunity to turn back from the road { U on which'it'is embarked. i ) 0 'I would like to take this opportunity to give ! seven reasons to eliminato nuclear power.' During the cours a 11 of these reasons, direct tie-ino to the Trojan plant will b2 i. 12 made '. i g The first reason I would like to cite is the. ease 13 14 of bomb' construction once nuclear material is availabic fro:a i 15 power plants. The London DailyiExpress racontly reported ) -that an employec~ assembled all the parts of an atom bomb. I 10 i 17 orcopt for the plutonium explosivoc in a demonstration that [ 18 terrorists could do the same. 19 In this ~ country I-believe we observed on a i 20 . television' program as well as nouspaper reports that a coll 2ge student proved that$ conctruction is possible by many peopla l 21 r 22 -in many countries with a basic education in physics. l~ 23 REauon' number tuo is the dangerous spreading-of i L 24 nuclear technology to volatile areas of the uorld. According 25 to ublished repci ts' in the Washington Post, 220 tons of l^ l t 1. ~*
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eb5 1 uranium vanished from a West, German ocean liner ten years i 2 ago and onded up in _ a nuclear plant in Israel in the liegev 9-3 Desert. This plant produces enough plutonium to build ono h 4 bomb per year. 5 Ot.har countrica that were montioned na poscibly 0 being involved in this "now you see it now you don't" 7 manouvor Wero Italy, Franco, West G1hnnany, and Fauth Africa. ] 8 It in public knowledge that Israel's government l 9 is-currently headed by a former terrorict, Nemache.T Begin. 10 Iran, currently a rcpraaniva military regime, haa announced 11 plana to construch 20 nuclear plants. A United Pross report i 12 from Moscow ctates that the USSR will begin construction of r 13 a nuclear plant in Cuba. 14 My third reason is the potential for the catablish - 15 mont of a virtual polico stato in the United States in the il 16 name of nuclear plant cecurity. Lnnt year the buclear l 17 Regulatory Commission and ERDA, the Energy Research and ta Davolopment Administration, released a joint eatimate 19 advising of a loss of four tons of uranium and plutonium, 20 approximately enough for 500 bomba. 21 Insisting there was no sign of thoft, these cama 23 cfficials conceded that on seven occasions, employees and/or 23 visitora had.. somehow taken small quantities of thin material 24-ac-couvenirs. p 7,5 The State of Virginia's Attorney General, Anthoay s 2 t a. - _. - -.. ~ - - -.,.... -.. -. -. - - - - - - - - _ _ - - - - - - - -=
119E eb6 1 Troy, has noted that the Nuclear Regulatory Corcminnien has 2 said nuclear plants must be protected against attack by 3 people who might uso automatic weapons. Thereforo, ha has !h 4 instructed that guards at the Curry and North Anna plants 5 will be allowod to carry machinegunu. 6 Power companies throughout the United States are 7 hiring covert, undercover, non-official, privato polico 8 forces to investigate antinuclear plant groups, f i 9 It in obvious that citizens' rights may have to i 10 be reatricted to safeguard theca power plants, i 11 My fpurth rearon is the continual reporta of 12 accidents involving nuclear plants and radiation leatage } 13 throughout the United Statea. In a town called Shippingport, 14 Pennsylvania, in 1953, the Atomic Energy Commincion built 15 the United States' or the nation'a first preusurized water ) 4 4 16 teactor. Property valuca there have p1rnmated 40 percont. 17 No one will touch the land near those plante - near thin 18 plant. t o, A profencor at the University of Pittsburgh, 20 Dr. Ernent Stornglass, has documented an unexplained rise 21 in' infant mortality and cancor raten in Boaver Valley, 22 adjoining this plant. 23 A report from the Associated Presa last year 24' advised that a private consultant had found 50 reported h '25 incidents of. f ailure in battery systemn in half of the 67
i 1197 ) l eb7 1 nuclear plants that were operating at that time. These .2 g batterien aro uced to power the enorgency core cooling cycham. l 3 Two years ago, two valves-in the Trojan Nuclear '~ 4 Power Plant in its emergency cora cooling system failed to 5 operate. l 6 The emergency core cooling system has never bean 7 fully tected in any plant in the United Staton. Thic syctra 0 is'installel to provant tho worst type of accident, a core 0 meltdown and the nuhaequent relcace of enormouc, deadly l 10 energy - deadly radiation causing the death of untold peep te. 11 The Trojan Uuclear Plant sufforced a relcase of 12 radioactivity in May, actually on May 1st, 1977. The news-g 13 papers account of this release, based on the power conpany'a 14 figuros, was reported as small. Two months later this raport i 13 was updated to-triple the initial amount. 16 Scientista have stated over and over, no amount 1 17 of radiation has been proven safe. 10 My fifth reason revolveu around the unavailability 19 of safe waste. material storage. 20 An Isocociated Press report in 1977 indicated 21-400,000 gallons of high-level vaste locked from 20 storage 4 22 tanko over~the past' years at 3anford Huclear Facility. ERDA 23 atated Icaka of up to 30,000 gallona additional would be-24 possible until repaira could be effected. 25 Unitod Press reported in September of: '77 that the e
i j'- Id8 p-l' eb8 1 ' General Accounting Office submitted a 73-page report to.the i f ?- oponing neccion of a Houco Governnont Operations Subcommitteo 0,. 1 3 hearing on nuclear enorgy costa. The Chairman of this [' 4 Committee wac' Leo J.. Ryan, a Democrat from California.who i. B caid: l. O "Thoucands of tonc of wanto, nost of 7 'it toxic for ac long as a quarter of a million i O years, has been.put in temporary storage facilitics i i =9 over the last 30 yearc." i 10 Facilitica which are admittedly capable of con-It' taining this material only for a few years. 12 . A nuclear waste burial ground in Itaxey Plats, i. 13 Kentucky. leaked radioactive wante into groundwater. This g i W l 14 10 according to a Washington Accociated Presa report. j. 15 A local newspaper, an Oregon newspapor, The i- ) 1G Statesmg Journal in Salem, reported thic year in April tint a ty the problem of whnt~to do.with the nation's nuclear junk i 10-yard which concists of tons of radioactive tools, clothing. 19 wornout machinery, upont fuel rods and liquido, is not a 1 20 simpic one to solve, l-i. -21_ The Honorable Senator Jay Dennett Jolinson, Jr., p,a a Democrat.from Louisiana, was aeked recently where he thought 23' nuclear vastco should bo put. He anOworod quickly, "Some-24 where other than the salt domes of Louiciana." i 25 The Staten of California and Ehino have laws e l
l. i l' 1193 [ l eb9; 1 . requiring wasto disposal technology to be available before 2 nuclear plants can be conntructed. The States of New York, 3 '. Ohio, Now Jersey, and Wisconsin and Washington are or were 4 considoring auch an approach. E 5
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.6 a Republican from New Mexico, would prohibit the dumping of i. i 7 nuclear wasto in any state that does not give-its consont. i 8 This apparently.is a back-handed way of saying the citizens t l j. 9. of Oregon do not have' that right. Each of the nation's 10 The problem in onormous. 11 68 nuclear power plants has the capacity for producing 30 l 12 tons of spent fuel per year, each of them. There are current 1r) i '13 somo'5,000 tons in tempoary storago, with that amount expected l g 14 to double within the 'noxt five years. 15 In addition to spent fuel,-there in currently l 16 nomo 70 million gallons of toxic liquid wastes from the i l l 17 nation'a nuclear weapons prcgram. Unfortunatoly for us in l 18 the tiorthwest, most of it.is stored at P,1chland, Wachington, i i l-19 with another large storing depot in Savannah River, !j. 20 South Carolina. -. 21 Thero are also some 50 million cubic-feet:of 22 radioactive toola, clothing and worn-out ranchinery now ntored 23 .at six low-level nuclear burial grounds. In addition, there 24 are 140 million tons :-- these figuros are mind-beggling --- jfe 23 of radioactive tailings from uranium mining, much of it 1cie ) p j. i l l ............m...__ ..~.a..e~.i,-
t I. J' l' I 1200-l- .cbl0- '1 exposed above ground at abandonod cites throughout the r ' 2' wootorn part of thic country. 3 Recently it cost the federal government - thab . e 1 4 noans all'of-un a-millions 6f dollars to remove radioactin 5 . uranium tailings that were imp jerly naed to construct i i O homon and.'achools-in Grand' Junction, Colorado. ~ 'l To undcratato how the Administration la fumbling l i 0 for solutions to what are proving to be incoluable problems, i D a plan was put forward-by James Schlossinger, who I think - t i 10 needs no further introduction. This laughable plan was a ~ 11 rocommendation'to put the waste in rockets and shoot it into ,c j i 12 the aun. Required would ba thousands of rocheta costing I 13 millions'and millions of dollars and perfect liftoff. For-1 I 14 tunatoly thic plan has been abandoned. 15 Just prior to Christraan lact year n. report l 16 apponred in the Washington Post cut of the AP service, stating i 17 that the Havy is shipping 12,000 tons of crushed rock from I i - 18 Antarctica to California, paccing I imagine thrcugh Gregon, L i - 19, becauco it is radioactive and could creato a diplomatic 3 6 20 problem, diplomat;lc in that nations throughout the world 1 1 21 have signed treaties raaking Antarctica off limita to any 1 22 nuclear ~ developments. k /
- 23 This cruched rock is coming from the cito of a 24 diamantl$d nuclear power plant that was closed five years ago, 2
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1203 obil. 1. reactor's cooling cystem. 2 g The'same probic".is ever and over. The epa recently coupleted a deep coa e::peditiori -3 4 to. study the environmental impact of leaking drums of radio-S. active Lwaste in a dump cite off the coast of San Francisco, O California. This' was an c:<pedition involving a cubmarine 7 and very'high-technological machinery to recover como of 6 these. barrels which had been dumped years ago onto the sea 9 floor. 10 This type of dinposal was approved by those l 11 agencios that now ack un to ontinuo tructing their judgment. l l. .12 The expedition unc 35 miloc off the northwast 1 g 13 coant of San Francisco, and the cito contained 50,000 con-14 tainers of low-level radioactive waste that had boon dumped is' there over a 20-year period, beginning two yeara af ter the 16 Second World War in 1946. -Underwater photographs have rchzealed that one-17 18
- quarter of those containera had ruptured by deep uater 19 pressure and they were shown to be leaking radiation.- Un-20 fortunatoly I never saw an analysic of what the report on 21 the one drum they recovered'showed, and to my knowledge thot-e 22 drums are still' sitting thero, still leaking.
23 In March of laat year a report out of Vermont, 24 which I think han:been touched on previously, reported that 25 nuclear power interects in Vermont received a actback when p
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l eb12 1 31 separate communitioc, on their tra itional' Town Meeting a 2 day,.which in still done back there, rejected future nuclear 3 construction within their borders. Unforttr ately, officials h 4 began immediately stating that these voton were not binding i 5 and that the~citi=ena of Vermont had nothing to say about l 6 nuclear construction within their borders. 7 The inductry officials said that a court toct I { i 8 was likely. Their concern was that while come of the propesals l 9 were not legally binding at.the time, they feared future t l 10 events might make them no. I I l 1 11 The cricia there occurred becauce of the cafety t i l 12 of the Vermont Yankee Muclear Power Plant. It had been shut I l 13 down Itore than a dozon timos by malfunctions. Again, the 14 old familiar repoet. Each facility examined, the same story: 15 ahutdowns, ahutdowns, accidents, accidenta. d 16 At the Yankco plant the moat recent accident f l 17 was in July of '76 that I knou of, when 83,000 gallons of ja liquid waato containing a radioactive cubstance, tritium, 3 19 cpilled into the Connecticut River. 20 Additional public concern was caused when i e t i 21 plant' officials applied to the NRC to expand tho facility's 1 h 22 storage site for wasta natorials. 1 '23 Again, the familiar refrain. c 2g u l@. as i w'1g#MIW @ D* D"$*F*T9V'D9 P4 PET WWWF*kMPW WWITGO O N N" ^
i L 1203 L i 'l l 3A agb1 C11 AIRMAN MILLER: I belicVe we'll take a rcccus at this point, unicas you are within fivo minutes of completiot.
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MR. NEMCEK: A reccca will be finc. h 4 CilAIRMAN MILLER: Very well. We'll tche a i 5 l. recess at'thic time. a (Recesc.) 7 CIIAIlu1MI MILLER: You may proceed. I L 0 i MR. HEMCEK: Juut prior to our recene, wo were 4 j i going"on a tour which had taken us from 1-he occan floor off l I j the coact of San Francisco clear up to the sun. And I'd like f i 11 ] to return now to a littic town called Vernon, Vermont. ) i 12 Shortly after the report we had previously dio-cussed about Vermont, further information uns released D I M indicating that co:nc time later, the Vermont General Asnembly h 'E panced a bill on the atorage of atomic wactoc which is believeck i I M j to bo the strongest of its hind in the countryo j 1 j 17 The maccure was basically doaigned to block any M attempt by the Federal Government to locato a nuclear wanto M storage facility in thic state, the State of Vermont which, , 20 i at that tima, was one of the 30 bhat wore undar close f 21 ccrutiny by ERDA ao potential waste disposal siten. Vermor.t 1j22 f all under thic group of 30 a list -- somothing they would not i 0-j23 vant to be on becauce of their massive granite formations. 24 The' Governor signed the bill that gave tho W-25 General Assembly control over any construction of atomic' I s 1 ~
1204 L o i '1 p - agb2 wante storage facilitics. Two other states have taken action concerning tha i 3 storage of nuclear waste material, South Dakota recently 4 j pacced a resolution asking the federal agency to remove that j l i 5 f nt' ate off the.lict. ,3 .G l New Maxico alno hac requented being rs.noved. 4 -7 Clouer to home, in a periptoral nuclear arca, i i c. the Telodyno Wahchang facility, located in Millorcburg, o uhich is actually next to Albany was cited for literally 1 J I 10 throwing wastos around - dangerous radioactive wastc0 U apread all over the countrysida in that area, wastes that 12 l were placed there without notifying any officialc. i h I1 A Ghatc'reprc3cntativo reprocenting that arca M was Mrs. Yi, spelled Y~i. IIor husband, coincidentally, was IU the president and founder of the Toledync-Mahchang facility, j 1 16= which happens to be the singic'and only zirconium procesoing l 17-plant operating in the United States, an a matter of fact, IB I believo in the free world --' quote -- free world. 19 Sith no regard for human lives, they had purchasad 20 farm land -.in the surrounding arca and, w,< hhout allowing 21 information to-reach any officialc as all as anyono of 1 i l ' l 22 public, they began' dumping their circonium wasta materialc _G. i 23' there..Somotincs in the lato evening as duck settled, 24~ ' truckloads ucro.trundlod out there. 25. -Unfortunately, I forgot exactly what point'I was s. l c 1 4 n.-n---,,n..,_,,,, _,,, - - -,,,, -
t I 1205 j l agb3' aiming'for in bringing this to your attention It cocm3 like nearly everywhero or c.nywhere that i i 3 l you go today you will find the problem of radiation and v l 4 nuclear plants touching everyone. I r, i-In an effort .o procure good, untainted foods I l 6 1 i I do noat of our shopping in an excellent health food store I 7 at Salem. This in what is known an a purist store. O And there I find - what? ~~ raw milk fron 9 Albany, a place ~that is loaded with radiation problema in 10 groundwater and in the river which flows through the area, 1 l U oventually emptying into the Willanette. 12 Oh, it's como back.to no: h 13 Finally, comehow those vasten werc discovernd. 14 Now, what to do.uith them, since Oregon has a Inw which cays I 15 you can't store.wastos here beyond temporary ctorago 16-facilities that are at the plant, the nuclear plant, i l 17' Zirconium is a product that's necea for tha 10 construction of nuclear corca. In any case, the naaract 19 storage facility to here in in IIanford in the State of 20 Washington,.which is governed by probably the most hard-cora 21-nuclear supporter, our daar friend, Dixy Leo Ray, a former l-i 22. - member of the Atomic Ihlorgy Commiacion, e 23 Under pressure, the Talodync Corporation who 24 ownn'Wahchang was rcquested to remove theac radioactive 25 - materials, scoop them up and get them out of the otate. l l g I.
j. [ i t 1206 agb4 After many, many delays -~~during which the 'h -Environmental Protcotion Commiocion and other officials, 3 uho, sadly shaking their head to indicate that they had no 4 authority 'over this problon, et cotera, et catcra -- finally l S i requested them to removu the material. G l Ms. Ray anid, "You can't bring it to Hoshingten; ) l. l l , Wo have our own problcus." And they do. And, '"Oc don't wex2h 8' your dirty 2fadioactivo unste." 0 ^ I'm suro a lot of moatings were hold in a lot j a of smoke-filled rooms, and eventually, she backed down on l 10 I I 11 this. And, as I undarotand it, this material ic now being, l ( or han been or will ao ~~ it'a hard to get thic information l 1 trundled up to Hanfcrd and stored there. However, I belicve M-l Y M Ms. Ray stated sho ' tanto no moro. U Of. courno, that brings the question'to mind, i ; ' 1 M what are we going to do with the Trojan wasten? How many ( ' IT ~j times are they going to expand that temporary - repeat'-- M " temporary storage facility?" I i In October of this year, The Wanhington Post I I E i l I l @0 indicated that two memborn of Congresa went on record as j f M atating the.American peoplo no longer trust the government to l I E2-t deal with the hazardo of nuclear energy. It'n not hard to f l I 23 see uhy. i. 4 They introduced legislation to give the statas I O-125 some veto. power over construction of futuro nuclear power i-i l 6 ?
.1 1207 -l j - I ab5 plants and nuclear waste facilitica. l-h Reprecantative Jamns E Joffera, a Republican 3 { from Vermont,' stated: is I. don't trust the nuclear Regulatory 0 . Commission.-.I don't truct the Defenco Depart-6 ment in thin arca, and I think lots of Americant I 7 feel the same way." 0 He continued that: 9' "The time has coma uhan we cimply cannot to continun to license nore and more nuclettr-plunts 1 11 i without finding an effectivo colution to the 12 ) waste problem." i U g I'd like to't.cuch, then, on le sixth reason for M the climination of nuclcar power. It's based on the inter-15 national public opponition to thic form of energy. M i Bafore. going on to that, I would like to communh j U .on the fact that the figuro 250,000 years continuaa to E revolve in my brain. It's almont impossihin to imagine a j l M' figura liko-that. nc. - r" Pick up a history book, or,reen11 your own higt lesnona in grace school witen it was pointed out to you of tM 22- # immense atability of the United States government, hou stron J i g 23 and stable we scre,.And.then think that we're only.200 j i g 24' years old. i PA compare that uith 250,000 yeara, during uhich -l
1208 i li agb 6 I wantos will have to be maaaged. Hot just wastes, but thint \\l 2 g of the plants themselvou, estimated lifetime of 25 or 30 y(ars,, 3 l the whole plant and the whole currounding area is a nuclea2' 4 radiation problem. ) s 5 What happens to those facilities when they no [ 6 longer operatef when they'ro just no longer safe,~ac they [ f 7 are now? l 1 0 Combino this with the knouledge that uranium 9 in a very limited product or material, it'n not in unlimitcd 10 supply, just nok Westinghouse who can't meet their contract s 11 to supply uranium. What a surprico that must have bacn to 12 their Board of Directors. g 13 It's beyond imagination that we can continue 14 down this road. 15 The oil nituation that our country han dependd i 10 on for coma yeara, is basically the came. Onca again, it's 17 a non-renewable resource, only thin tima it's a very short 18 period of usage. 10 Back to the sixth rencon: international protecting 20 Last year, at Granday, Wcnt Germany, 3000 21 policcmon, helmated and with largo trunchcona, clubs, sterp ad 22 in and started swinging and boating upon the heads and ~ 23' bodios of 10,000 protectora. They were trying to ntop con + 24 ntruction of a nuclear power plant in their area. h -Just prior to that demonstration, there was a 23
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i agb7 court decision in Schleswig-ltolatein, which is ono of Ucst l Germany's-10 statca. Thc court ruled that conchruction Woch could not continuo on a new pouer plant at Brockdorf until it was cicarly decided what would be donc with the radioacti.va i U waste. Thic court decicion was a direct result of penceful, G non-violent direct action against nuclear pro-nuclear P 7 i forcco. O That court decicion alno followed a decree from 0 the previous month from North Rhine /Westphalia -- of the { 10 Horth Rhine /Wectphalia, which is Most Germany'o most populoun 4 Il state, whero they, too, had barred any further nuclear con-12 struction until the waste problem is solved. 13 Not too long ago, I recall reading about the 14 , resignation of the, I believe, Prine Minister of Sweden. 15 Sweden in an interesting country, longer life expectancy 4 i-16 than the United States, better health care, largar per capita 17 income. The Prime Minister was forced to resign because he j .10 did not follow through on his catapaign promices to halt 1G nuclear construction. "" '20 } As I recall, after campaigning throughout 21 -Sweden on the basia of stopping nuclear power construction 22 30' days after taking office, ho helped break ground on a 23 new plant.,I!a's no longer a government official there. 24 Somcuhat over 40,000 nuclear protestora, peaceful 1 .. h 25 and non~ violent, demonstrated recently in the City of o w,w - Th am esenw eeve we e. wi =.-.r. A-
l 3 1210j agb8 ~ 'Amatordam. ' People all over the world are 'becoming awaite, i j They'rol beginning to see that they have bocn lied to, 3 deceived, and puched into a situation which is intolerablo. l 4 We are asking our children, and our children's 2 5 childron, and.our children's children's children and on and on,i G to pay for and guard against the nintakes wo are naking r today. 0 The moment that Trojan Plant otarta up it will i 9 begin omitting radiation. It's probably omitting radiation 10 now, if the fuel rods are therc. Starting it will moraly II increase that danger. E M A 200-year old country. Can you imagine 10,000 ) I g 13 years from now? It'a pretty hard, but even that small period,! j 14 an againct the quarter of a million yeara that'.the radiation I. l 15 will be dangerous, can you imagino just ovan 10,000 years I l: 16 from now that thic country will be the came as it io now, j l J f If~ that there will be no civil disturbances or succcasions or l ly wars or anyth'ing?- p }9 Can'you imagine the bureauctacy that's going to 1 .have to'be cet up, that already is-cet up, but which will I a1 .havo to grow enormously, paid for with tar dollars, to l l h2 facilitato the guarding of placen like Trojan which, prior h 'h I'. } 23-to the Year 2000, will be an abandoned junk heap and from il' .RI 'which the great corporations who have fointed this on ths l. ND. public.will have long since pulled up stakos and loft? .c
_ _._. _ _.____ _ _ _ _ _.___. _....___.__ _ _.___~ __. _. _ _. _ _. i 1211 1 l 1~ agb9 Uhcro will Bechtel be then? Where will PGE be l 2 1 then? Who's going to take care of this facility after it's 3 l uselecc? The taxpayors. The government. ~ 4 l The nuclear industry now is pleading and twisting i i '9 arma and putting pressure on Congresa and Mr. Carter to bail 1 9. them out of this problcn. I 7 It's a matter of public record that no one has any ; i 8 responsibility for worn-out nuclear reactors. It's in the i 9 contract. i { When they're uselena but continue to cait the 10 i II dangerous radiation, accuming there's no coro meltdown 12 j during ita operation, it's going to be up to the citizens to 13 determine what to do with this corpac, a corpac which continues I4 to send fingers of death throughout the area. end3A 15 1 l6 4 -l t l 17 18 1 19 20 l 21 22 23 24 Y eve m er emm-.m-w,.
N 121?. 3B I' WTtB/mpbl In France, in July'of 1977, one protester wac-Ii 2 .O killed, and 105 parnonc injured, as the government attenpted [ 3 to put down a demonotration there. 4 It wan pouring rain-and it was cold, and there U wore.25,000 peoplo 'in Franco protecting against a plutonium-l l .6-based reactor which was boing built by neveral western nations l 7 including France and West Germany and Italy.
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"Disperce those people"'was the order of the de.y, l 9 and a demonstrator's arm wac torn off by a tear gas grenada. 1 I, Machines of death and injury cuch as tear gaa 'l 10 i 11 grenades can harm both sides, and a policenan also'loat a j 1% hand., i 13
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15 . radiation and this wanto can he hoph under control for the i 16 onormoua longth of:timo. required? It'n not possible. l j 17 Anyone who in not tainted by a commercial aspect 10 of thin grotesque powar cource which originated with'an j } i 10 explosion of a' bomb in thic country, no one'can'look at the 20 facts and figures and-see what's happening and not be fearful. I 21 - Hy neventhiraason for pancafully opposing construc- [ 22 tion, operation,-and all' peripheral arnas of nuclear power, !.' h - ine'luding weapons, aro.tho enormous hidden costa cwept under i 23. 24 tho' rug, when officiala from~PGE:and other corporations i i 25 .. involved in those ventures. throw out cost figuros.- .l r;' i = Ji l i, i
1213 I mpb2 Theco men are not juct rcchleco; they're pathet.ic m() examplos of businoco thinking. How can they ignoro coats, j huge, huge conta that will eventually have to ba borne by f 3 , b 4 someono? I ) 5 This gocc beyond health costs. 6 Recently come genetic studios were made, and guess, I 7 uhat? It ic now a normal condition in thic country for 1 1 gence, under c:: amination by super-electron microscopen, to l 8 9 ba damagod. It io not normal to have undamegod genec i o 10 At this point a direct relationship to nuclear 11 power, because of this gena damage throughout the gancral 12 population, cannot be choun. gfs 13 In arano uhcre atomic plants, nuclear plants aro i 14 operating, geno damage can be tiod in and is being tied in 15 in otudies being dona nou. 16 Back to tha costa. Thin io from a Jack Andercon l 17 releana "Secrot Governn:ent Studios"o The vord "scorat" is }' 10 bandied about the nuclear inductry time afher tima, warnint 19 that it's too late to stop the conversion to nuc] oar energy 20 without painful consequencea. Thouc ctudica warned that } P.1 nuclear powar plants not only may not be as safe as their i 22 advocates claim, but thero'n growing concern that privato (n) 1 4 23 utilitica cannot afford the high cost of rcpairing their i 24 nuclear facilitien o O d 25 Maintenanca coats are astronomical. Wnan the p3 ant }, + 4
I 1214 ' l nipb3 in first proposed conatruction conta are mentioned. By tho 1 7. (ny time the plant is built the conctruction coats are tripled 3 or quadrupled., And Maintenance conts are 10 or 20 timca an D\\ V 4 high as actimated. Powar raton are acaring. Utility comprm - S ion want prepaynant. They want funds now from usarn of G power to pay for future repairc, to pay for futura planta. 7 The Federal Government may be compellad to opend 8 billions of dollarc,, That noney comen from un, to keep 9 nuclear plante repaired, or cice abandon the wholo idea of 10 nuc3 car energy. II Ralph 17ader, a very activo opponent of nuclear 12 planta, one of the most knowledgaable men in thic country 13 rogarding nuclear planta, in a recent column describSd a Id conversation that he had with a high onocutivo of a company 15 who manufactures nuclear reactors. Ho did not reveal the M name of this gentleman or the company, but he did paraphrace 17 their convercation. M He asked, "How can you personally remain with a 19 firm that is colling thaso plants? When is your company 20 going to get out of the power industry, the nuclear power 21 inductry?" E i P2 The reply of this executive wac, "Tha sconor tha i \\ 23 b e t te r., " 24 Mr. Mader quotes him and I quoto Mr. Mader., l [D v 25 "The nuclear division in our company is draining i
l' ) I l-1213 : I mpb4. away the profits from the fonail fuel division. i l 2 -] But our pronident still remains faithful to his t i i 3 commitment" - he's talking about the president of that O 4 corporation "to his commitment to nuclear energy." j I I I ) 5 Ile was asked about Westinghouse and General Electril:, 4 4 l 6 and was answered that they want out. l ) 7 tir. Nadar otates that the busincasman was telling } O it straight, unlike the flashy corporate ada and meccages 9 enclosed in your monthly electric bill, unlike the filma 10 provided from to the achools across the nation, chowing Il little Mr. Atomic Energy running around colving problema. 12 Economically the nuclear industry in crumbling. O '3
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Their carcera are on the line; but the . industry 15 is crumbling. 16 Continued heavy peaceful non-violent demonstraticns i 17 can colve this problem, and theca plants can be closad, j 10 Ut)lition have cancelled or postponna 120 nuclear 10 . planta; stated reasons are the cont of construction, unrelic-20-bility, and a now feature: the rising prica of uranium. 21 Thoce are tho dollars and cents figures. I 22 OPEC, welcomo; met UPEC, uranium inattad of oil. 7.500 23 For como tino nuclear reactor manufacturers havo i 24 boon caught in a squeeze., They're losing money. Flat and f l 25 cold and hard, they're losing money.
4 h 1. 1216 l -1 p. mpb5 Some tino ago a dear friend of mine told no that i' ~2 in a society such as we have in ordor to panotrate to the 3 ( ' truth of mnttorn there are three key words "follou the money", 1 - i 4 keep following the money. If it's profitablo it's being l 5 done; if it's not profitahic they'll ntart backing away. i t g Those roactor manufacturera who are losing monoy i 7 have roccived no more than two damastic reactora in the past [ 'l 0 They are proccing for a larger federcl subsidy bail-p year. A out. l \\ i 10 A brand now book called The Econofmica of Nucleag i i II and coal Power,, which in a study done by Saunders Ifiller, an 12 invectment analyst in the firm of Dane, Colman and Quale in i I3 Minneapolic is an intercating courca and has a quoto that: I4 "To rely upon nuc1 car finaion an a primary 13 cource of our stationary energy supply will i 16 constituto oconomic lunacy on a scalo unparallel-17 ed-in recorded history and uill become thc L 18 Unterloo of the United States." -19 The extremely conservative Egrron'c Magnuino, a [ 20 Dow Jonen publication, states: 21 "If the top executiven of cvory electric I. utility in the nation, not to mention utility 22 J ~23 ~ regulatories, read thia'naw book most nuclear 24 plantLconstruction plans would be' scrapped <:O' "23 immadiately." i i, I 1
I 1217 I mpb6 Spanking of cerapping nuclear planto, the I ) Virginia Electric and Powar CcMpany, VEPCO, in Richmond, v 3 Virginia, announced recently it's cancelling construction ( ) 4 of two additional nuclear unita at a nuclear generating U station in nouthcantern Virginiac They originally decided 1 0 to build thoco plants uhich would have been plante number 'l 7 and 4 in their area on their nuclear inland, ac Shey are O cometimen referred to, based on illusory pouar recuirementa 9 put forth by ctudies funded by the utility companica.- 10 Howevar, ac paople began concarving energy thcan 11 overinflated darund figuren ware proven f alse, and this 12 utility han now cunpanded the construction of this tuo billion (m) 13 dollar facility, tuo billion dollar addition to a facility v 14 which in ctill therc, after investing 05] million of rate-15 payers money in these plants 3 and L 16 The Virginia Electric and Pow;-r Compuuy alao citt 6, 17 quoting their wordn: 18 " Growing concern over the many uncartaintic', 19 they faca, that faca the nuclear inductry at this 20 time, together with increcuing financial burdens 1 21 those uncertainties impose on utilitiac and their 22 customers." ,a I } 23 Financing these planta in beccaming a reverc 24 problem., Normal sourcen for funds cre drying up as thc / ) / 25 obvious ridiculousness of a nuclear power plant as an
1210' 4 i mpb7 ' investment begins to become common knowledge. lO nuc1 car newer v1enee en the avereac have coct 3 overrunu of 100 parcent. Further, tho unaafo designs of O ' s. thece plants then havo to be corrected. Trojan ia a girring 5 example. 6 Not only 10 the original production coct wcil 7 over the stated cost prior to construction, but the facility i 8 aimply doesn't hold together. It's designed poorly, and 0 continual corrections a e mide at enormous cont. 10 In the past the nuclear industry has stated "That's II all right, don't_ wor ~y about that, becauce remember, urnnium-1P-is really cheap." O 13 a 1ee ee eh-und of eeee-mes -re made when I 14 uranium was $4 a pound, maybe $4.50. This is a cheap cource, 15 they said, let's go. 10 It's vall over ten times that figura now. It's 17 in tho'$40 rango comewhere, perhaps higher. Estitaates are 18 that it could be $250 a pound by 1905. 19 Thora goes the cheap power. 20 Uhy is it no expensivo? This is an obvious quen-j 21 tion. It's a cource of power which is dwindling every day, 22 cvory day a plant ta running. lO 23 Over and above that particular reason is the 24 cartsl situation. Uranium in the inductry is called yellow O 25 cake., In retrospect the forming of the cartel was supposed L t
1219 t 1 ,mpb8 to be for the modent _ ambition of stable nu3 ti-natit.nal ih corporation profits. So an international producers' club 2 3 was formed, as they called themselves. UPEC might be a e 4 better word. And'thair stated objective was to bring I S stability m a higher prices to ynllow cake. I 6 This club had the backing.of nationc such as 7 Canada, Australiai South Africa. The club was inspired by 8 major producers that are based in Franco and Great 13ritain., D And in 1972 they decided to rig bids and drive thene pricos 10 upwards., All this is a matter of public record. 11 It cat around tab 1cc and aplit up the uranium 12 market geographically. You guys take this area, wo'll take l h 13 this area; okay. You put the aquem:0 on smaller niddlemen l l 14 competitors. 15-Well, the public in the early '70s was concerned 16 about the oil shortage upconing. Yellou cake rono from $4 to 17 $41 18 Thono international: corporations based in foreign 10' countrioc, and thic foreign-based cartel was brought into 70 the.haarican nucloar picture because of a controversy that 21 developed among como of-tho allegad participants. 'It'a ca13cd ! 22-thieves falling ~out. O 23 One of these companica was Gulf' Oil Co porationi 24 - ' Gulf 1has a history of prob 1cus such ac this, including five 25 millica dollar political slush funds. Westinghouse and Gulf, i a
1220 mpb9 one or' the other, I'm not auro, but both are in the tcp 20 /"N 2 V world corporations, ono vac numbar eight and one uns number ] 1 3 20, I believe. They had a fal. ling out. l O 4 In Pittsburgh, where both of them have their 5 corporate headquartern, there muct have baan amacing thingc 6 going on since the evacutivos from those two corporations 7 often had lunch, they dined together, they know each other, O they belong to the same clubs, 9 Ucotinghouso -- quoting from a Washington _ Post 1 10 article - Il " Westinghouse han introduced corporate 12 documents from Gulf files contending that Gulf, O is amona ethere, ues a w1111nu partner and he1 red 14 to block Woctinghouce from the uranium purchacca 15 it needed. Some of the U.S. defendanto includo 16 Korr 4tcGee... " 17 .When you cay that name, Korr-McGGo, it should 18 ring a ball, and it should connnet to another name, Karen 19 Silkwood, a peaceful anti-nuclear person. Isn't it stranga 20 to deceribe a human being as anti-nuclear? Sho uns basica~.ly 21 a human being who died in very otrango circumstances, still 22 being investigated. That ' tory has bcon told many many tines. OV 23: The possibility that har car was run off the road, and the ( 24 fact that her well-documented file which she was on her way A'J to deliver to officiale regarding Korr-McGeo Corporation 25 disappeared from the scene of the accidant, never to be ccan j l j lagain.
I '1221 l 3c.ebl - When these corporations fight in court, the 2 question is, is the world price of uranium still subject to l 3' manipulation? It'c a fact brought to the public's attention 4 - through numerous publications. Punlication in the Federal 5 j Record hasn't stopped it. It's doubtful. l G Gulf Oil Jays don't Llame us; it's our Canadina j 7-subsidiary. Uc havo no control over thc.n. Can you imagine O that? -l : 9 In any: case-the manipulation of global prices 10. for uranium is another' strong argument againct rapid develop-1 I 11, ma.nt or any development of~ nuclear power. I 12 I don't often quote. corporations but iTostinghouco i I [g 13' is on record as saying the cartel still exists, utill is in I 14 place, stili is manipulating these prices. But they say it I~ 15 has gono underground, it's not blatant, j 8 16 According to the information coming out of the j l 17 -investigation of this cartel, it was formed in Paris in 1972 J 18 and still continues. 10-The information that I have presented, those ( l 20 acven personal roacons for trying:to remove nuclear power l s L 21 ~ from the face of the earth, in conjunction with the elimina-1 L 22 tion of nuclear weaponc, there's enough data currently 1 g L P_3 availabic for peoplo to sit before this microphone or any i l 24 .other microphone and talk until they're dead, and you still' k 25 couldn't'get'all th's information out. It's there.
1222 i 'eb2 1 Why are officials so blind to it? Why do 'chey h 2 continue leading us down this road? L 3 There are alternatives. We've dwelt on tne 4 hazarda of thic particular destructivo energy force. What i 5 aro-the options? 6 How about concorvation for one? The uacto of 7 power in this country is enormous. The por capita inccme i G of citizens in Sweden is higher than ouro, yet they une about i 9 half the eneray no do. Their standard of living io higher 10 than ours. It'n enormously higher if you consider healthy l 11 living in the equation. 12 Conservation is the number one cingle tool at 13 the disposal of overy single individual in this country. 14 Any citizen who wants to register hic opposition to nucleae jg power can do 30 from his own living room. He can start by 16 looking around hic own ho:no and determining where he can 17 reduce the enormous wasta. Recycling of bottlos, cans, ta aluminum, et catera, turning off lightn, the old standards, l 19 they actually work..- It's demonctrable that 50 porcent concervation 20 21 figurcs in a houschold are reasonabic with very little E2 effort. In addition, by supporting colar power projecto, 23 not the fantactic ones that ERDA proposea or in studying 24 l@ auch as sending huga mirrora out into space to focus l g5 4 -] L __ _
.._ _.__ _ _ _._ ________._._ _..._.._ ___.__ _._.~._ l 1223 j - ). i -i ob3 ~ F sunlight ~~ Who can handle a project like that? Government 2 .g and big corporations. I! ore it goes again. 3 Who would.really benefit from huge mirrors 4 '4 focusing sunlight on the carth? Can you inngine the poten-1 B tial for uaing that as a wanpon? Focus it and, zop. i 6 Solar energy is going to be hero a long tima and l h 7 it-can be used at home. Librarios, the chelves are burating 0 with booka, bursting with information on colar units you J l: 9 can make yourself. Some of these you can make out of n card-t ] to board box and a little' black paint, a piece of aluminum foil l ^ 11 'that, instead of throwing away, you can shape into a small 12 solar collector. l g 13 Wind generation is an alternative, too. Wind 14 generation is not now. This country once was receiving a i 4 15 largo percontage of its poucr from wind gcnoration. You can i 1 10 drive out in the country now and sea remnants of these wind-17 .rnills. 18 I would like to end thic statement with an appeL1 19 for people to concorvo, peacefully and non-violently protent i i - 20 the corporation ripoffs..All of these things in the name i 21 of' love for your fellowman and for the untold, unborn human 2a beings to be brought into this world. j ' $ -l 23 Thank you very much. j [- 24 (Applause.)' l p,$ C IIA I FJ fA N M I L L E R : Thank you. i .. ~
I 1224 I I eb4 I George Plummor. 2 l LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF GEORGE PLU:EER. I 3 MR. PLUMMER: Hollo. I would like to first say i 4 ~'~ I'in not very accustomed to these microphonos. I'm GGorge 5 Iltunner. 6 I would like to first read a statement prepared 7 by the Energy Chairperson of the Many River.3 Group, Sierra O Club, which la a Sierra Club in Oregon. 9 "The Oregon Stato Chapter of the 10 Sierra Club urges the Nuclear Regulatory Commin-ll 11 aion to keep the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant cloacd i 12 until neccasary repairs are made. l 13 "PGE officials have caid the plant is j 14 able to withstand the largcat carthquako that 15 could occur in northwcatern Oregon. This is highly 1G debatable, especially cince it in doubtful that PGE J j 17 can predict the magnitudo of such acts of nature. l 18 "Not only are the walla of the control 10 room building inadequate against carthquakes but i 20 the above-ground pipec have recently come under sus-l 21 picion as well. A thorough examination of the plant j j 22 should be made to check for other unsafe spots. ' O' 23 Trojan should not be started up until all safety
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7 -1 r. p 1225 4 i. f ,eb5 11 - I'would'like to firstLask-you genticmen if you 2.' have heard many o'f the thinga th'at the previous percons 3 have said before..Have you ever heard many of theoc things? 4 CI! AIRMAN MILLER: You know our rulen. i j_ 5 MR." PLUEER: No, I don't knou the rules. p 6 CHAIRMAN MILLER: It'0 your statement and we'll 7-be glad to hear it. 8-Mn. ' PLUMrir,R: It's my staterant? I just make a l l. '9. statement and you-can't ever reply to anything I nay?- 10 CHAIRMAN MILLER: That's correct.- Uc don't reply i i j 11 at this - time; that's correct. i. 12. MR. PLUM 3ER: Hell, I want'to cay that I really llg 13 fool corry for you individuals being put on the spot like 1 [ 14 you'are constantly'here. The last Board I talked before I I 15 were much more arrogant than you are. You seem to be listen-i 1 l l 16 ing quite well, and seem to be a bit moved by the experience i 17 and I'm really glad to see that. 10 I would like very much to see the control room [ 19 fixed up as soon as possibic. The reason I would like to L l 20 ceo.this happen as soon as possible is not because I'd like' [. 1 ~ 21 to ace Trojan stetrt up as soon as possible-but becauce I'd i l 22 like to seo Trojan' remain cloned, uafely. 23 In 'its present condition I have questions on - - -24; whether it is safe. shutdown. The spent fuel pool, for i l,. 15 instancoj: receives its cooling through the connections of 3 w=-.---. m
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- 2 bricks ' loose from.the cont:rol room,. I. wonder what type of 3' equipment they might fall on, their highly sophisticated 4 ' computer, their-control panel. Could that flip some circuits I 5 that would possibly. start the reactor up by accident? Thero 'S are'all kinda of those questions to be asked. l i . "/ .I-would like to encourage you not to start l i-8 Trojan' until the control room in rebuilt, but I uould par-9- sonally liko'to never see it started again. 4 10 Alac, I believe you're looking at this issua 11 very narrowly. Many times in the past three to four years, ~ [ 12 since Trojan first started to operato, thero have been 4 13 numerous defects found in safety' equipment and all sorto of g 14-equipment. i - 3c 15 10 17 la 19 - 20' 1 at l 22 -g 1 23 1 24. 25( l t I
1 1 122 */. j. I~think an impartial study,-safety analysis should,' 3D wbl 'ij .l 2. be'done on the Trojan. plant. And I think to do 'an impartial 3 study, that can' t be donc by HRC officialc, IIRC personnel, -4 or people hired directly-by the URC. l [ g We have seen'the Mancuco study attempted cover-up. i It wan snatched from.the hands of tho URC just before they c i a were able to bury'it. 7 We've seen tho Rasmussen study, which in a total O fraud. 9 1 S Im asking that you-fund an impartial. study, 10 I and that you also fund an impartial group to cupervise that g ctudy; possibly the Stato of Oregon. 12 Alco I'd like to ank a few quantionc about wheth2r g-13-the people that are working on the control room ha m gona g l through necurity checks. Decauso when Trojan was first i 15-j built there were numeroun' incidents they found where workers 16 l i sabotaged areas they were working on. 4 I'would also like to ask you: Did you know j 18 4 Mt. St.IIalens is less.than 10,000 years old? It is an ' l e_ i l-active volcano. If Mt.St.Helens ' starts to 'nhako and think .20 i (. about blowing'its top, or Rainior, or Hood,,wo d bottor start 5 to pack up. Portland and Olympia and-Salen, and Eugone also. Thank you. 2a, n a L (Applause) 24 !ih CHAIIWAN liILLER: Thank you. \\' = -
I I 1228 i _. .l wb2 1-Beverly. Stein. 2-LIMITED APPEARA11CE STATEt1ENT OF DEVERLY'STEIli, i ) 7 PORTLAliD, OREGON h 4 MS. STEIN: 'My nano is Deverly Stein. I'm an ): 5 attorney, and I live in Portland. l My limited appearance is going to be fairly 6 limited, because I believe that there's a very limited issua 7 i f here. p The question is,very simply: Should Trojan be g allowed to operate while the margin of' safety is not up to 10 4 federal standards?' 11 My nt wer is an unqualified No. It has to.do with' 12 13 p r es ur c ys u d be. W w wa I feel that the priority that should be highest g E "E E ** 15 E" Y E E" 9 ~16 of privato corporations. Apparently Portland General Electric vould like g the federal standards waived in their favor so that they can go ahead and do something that would bo improper if they wero c0 following the standards. 1 I do not like to see any interest in society feel h that they have a special privilege and can be allowed to waive the general rules that govern us, j. 24 j. $ In AugustLI, along with a number of other people,
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I did not in any'way '4' believe, nor.'do I now believe, that tho trespass laws of the 5 State of Oregon will be waived because wo didn't pose a 6 threat to the safety of Oregonians. PGE would like the ' federal standards waived, 7 o however, because they say it will not thronton the safoty of f 9 Oregonians. As I said, I feel the whole thing has to do with to priorition and what we think is iraportant in our society. 11 And it comes down to ' the formation of the society in a way 12 such that capital is privately owned and decisions are made g 13 in a nanner so that individual private groups can decide g4 how society will operate and what will be done with our 15
- usources, 16 If, for instance, Trojan were shut down in a g7 society tliat planned how they would use their resources I 10 don't think wo would have this emergency nature of this 19 interim operation question; which was what I feel Portland g
General Electric is trying to force on the Board, to feel 21 liklc this is: an emergency and wo must immcdiately start up 22-E "" ' U ""Y 7 E# 23 The emergency stems-from the fact that there is no .E l -h coordination. If we had a society.that used our recources in g u
i 1230 l wb4 1 a rational form then if there was a chutdown we would go l 4 i i g 2 over to Place Y and pick up some of the recources we need, i l 3 some energy, and bring it over here. It wouldn't be PGE lg l 4 acrambling around the region asking, Because in a coordinated i j 5 nystem it would be easy to replace uhat was needed: there's I l G plenty of energy around, it's just in the hands of people 7 who don't want to give it up because they won't make any a money if they give it up. 9 I think I just want to end with making some 10 recommendations, what I uould liketo see you do. 11 One, I would like to nec an imnadiate complete I P,, safety audit of the plant. I think you've hoard today, I'm ! h 13 aure, over and over again some of the speci-Natances of u problems at the Trojan plant relating to nafety: workors i l 15 being irradiated, faulty sequencarc, just innumerable probleus 16 And it really soriously scarea ma if thin plcnt would go on i l yy line without having some nore checkout of its safety ayatenc. gg I just think it's criminal to not do that at this point, k 10 And, of courne, I would conclude by reconaanding l-20 n'o interin operation. l L21 Thank you. l 22 (Applause) ! h 23 Cl!AIRt1Tdi MILLER: Thank you. i 24 Well I think we'll recess at this tima until nin 25 el ch in the morning. There do not appear'to be a
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did in our notice: indicate there would be two days, so maybe W. 3 .; People can attend tortcrrow who could not today. So,- in 4 .fcirneas, we'll resuma at nine. liowever we vill probably 5 coaclu6e after ovaryone who has asked to be heard is heard. Lut u0'11 be available. 6 7 Thank you for coming. ) 3 (Whereupon, at 4:45 p.m., the hearia'J in the i-abovo antitled matter e.;as rececaed, to Ic<1onvene nt l g 4 jo 9:00 a.m., the following day.) 11 1 12 13 14 l .15 - '16 4 17 i i 19 20 I 1. 21 i 22 Le 23 l i i eS$ .J P.5.. d l 1 l m}}