ML20148G936
| ML20148G936 | |
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| Site: | Trojan File:Portland General Electric icon.png |
| Issue date: | 10/27/1978 |
| From: | Mccollom K, Mark Miller, Paxton H Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel |
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| NUDOCS 7811130305 | |
| Download: ML20148G936 (179) | |
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. 5- PORTLAND GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY, ; Docket Dio. 50-344 i L et al. :
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. Friday, October 26, 1978, 1 11 l l p The hearing-' in the above-entitled mattar was ! 1 12 l
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- j. 14' n - MTiRSHALL E , tCLLER, Ecq., Chairman, 1 l 15 Atoraic Safety and Licencing Board.
16 DR. KENNETH A. McCOLLCM., Member. (liot present.) [ 17 DR,'HUGH C. PAXTOE, Member. - e 33 APPEARANCES: i {
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r ! i; 20 ROLRND F. BANKS, Esq., Souther, Spaulding, Kincey, Williar. con & Schwcbe r Standard Plata 21 Portland,: Oregon 97204. ; 22-r,
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2- ' [. WILLIAM KINSEY, Esq. , 1002 N.E, Holladay, ' L - Portland i Oregon. i :l [:V On behnif'of State of Oregon Department of Energy, p .4 Oregon:Public. Utility Commiacioner: , ). [ 5 JOHH H. SOCOLOFSKY, Esq.,. Department of Justice, [ Stata Offico Building, Salem, Oregon. l' -6 i- On behalf .of the Uuclear Regulatory Consaission: L 7 i
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' EUGENE 'ROSOLIE , 3926 li.E. 12th Street, 12 Portland, Oregon.
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' 6~ Larry H. Niolson . -(uritten) 1240 l-7 Marh' Hill 1243 ;
- 8 Andrew Prichard 1254 9 Leroy Wonce 1256 I 10 ' Phyllia'Cribby 1265 .
. 11.. Leonard Lelano 1275 1 I
- j. 12 Linda Werner 1279 j i
Ih 131 Marjorie Kundiger 1298 14 Darlene Burkhcad 1299 !
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16 nnnalian 1:ennedy (written'i 1302 2 l i t 17 1 James'Dumitru 1307 i {.. 10 Pat Sitton 1326 j 4 j J-19 Steve Tygart 1356 l 1
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1235' eb1' 4 . CHAIRMAti MILLER: 'The hearing will recume.
. I' 2: Is there someone who hac asked to make a-state-3 ment on_ limited appearance? Who wishes to-be heard?
4 Come forward, please. 3 You may just be seated before the microphone. 6 Let us have your ' nan.a , pleace. 7- -IIS . RICHEY-EURI:ludT My name ia Karen Richoy-
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1 0 CHAI E N MILLER: Will you apall th a t , pleano? 10 MS. RICl?EY-DURKHART : H -c-r-e-n R-i--c -h +y 11 dash B-u-r-k-h-a-r-t. I 12 CHAIRMIJ1 MILLER: Thank you. You raay make your
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14 LIMITED AI?PEAilnNCE S'I'ATEMIMT OF KAREN RICUE'?-
-15 BURKHART-1G MS. RICUEY-BURKHART: Well, I just trant .to aay '
f, . l- l 17 that i have been very strongly opposed to nuclear powcr for ; I i l l 10 a long, long time, and that'if.I had my way,~cuery nuclear 19 power plant in ' the world would be ahut down. And I think F.O that it's.a big mistako'to reopen Trojan until the 7alid ara . 21 definitely o",rthquake proof. ' I think it's a bit, mictake l 7,2 .to reopon fit, ! period, but if you're going to recoen it, I l 1
,. g think for cura tha.t the walls should be safe. j i
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rg 1.W., 4 I'm just a. citis:en and I'm not evan all that i 5' ' educated about. all the construction and what-not. I just I
'S don't.think it's safe and I don't want it running.
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}' 'O CHAIRMAN MILLER: Fine. Thank you. j 9- 'We are pleased to announce that the power outage has been concluded and our Reporter is utilizing the standard 4 10 [ '11 .e lec r ct i ity.
- 12 Uho is next, pleace? 'Does anyone wish to be i.
1 33 heard who.hasn't-been heard? Anyone on our list which we g 14 read yesterday, some of whom made statements, uome of whom 13 were not here? Is there anyone who has been requesting the 16 opportunity to make 'a limited appearance? 17 I hava a written atatement which was handed in i
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( h !- 19 " Testimony of Jay C. Young.
- . "20 - "My name is Jay C. Young. I reside at l 21- 1401 S.W. Midvale Road,. Portland, Oregon.
}h, 22 I'm a scientist, having been schooled and. [1 .. 1 23 , trained in physics and nuclear engineering. ' p 4 l ! i .. ... 24: I appreciate this hearing process which per- j . / g~ - 1 .. p V-p
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in . , .. p 2 '"I ani pro-nuclear an long as the ! j 3- - planta are demonctrated to.be beneficial,.cou.b-I
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i . . I t ,: 5 4 and cafety ofitho public. Therefora, while I desira i-6 to . see ~ the Troj an Nuolear ' plant ' back on~ line and 1 ! :7 generating the electricity for which-it wac~ built, { -8 I also decire that its oporation not be hancrdous j i t [ 0 - to the public. c 2
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11 operation it was concluded by the apprcpriatt :
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12' : federal and atata regulatory agencies:that the . 1 i is- . benefits to'be ' derived from it:a operation far i i 1.[ outweighed any potential hazard to ' the public. ' ' n l g I hope that the only purpose of these hearings L d y 16 ib to deterraina whether cr not that risk has A' 1 fj cignificantly incremed as a ror, ult of the PGE i
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+ . 2 4 the~ control building is modified'to correct this 3 . n'on-conformance.- 4- " Havirg studied the testimony submitted 5 by persons. skilled in structural' engineering and 6 - seismic loading evaluation, namely Profencor Harold 7 I . Laursen -of Oregen . Sta te. Univeroity , .. the Bechtel 8 team of Anderson, Katanics, Johncon and White, and
'O Kenneth S. . Herring of the NRC, it 2 s my-conclusion, 10 as it'is'the unanimouu conclusion'of thesc experto, 11 that the Trojan control building can withatand the 12 effects of.an GSE, . including the less covere CBE, }h 13 in its present condition. 'Thereforo the risk to
- 14. the public'during the, proposed interim operation 1.5 .- of'the plant while the control building it being~ l l
16 modified does not significantly change from that , 1 17 . upon which approval for initial operation was ] l 18' granted. 10 "On this basis I urge this Board to 20 rulo in favor of interim operation." 21 Are thoro any more-statements, either ora.1 or
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.e , 25 -.-a writtennstatement from Larry.H.-Neilson'.- And there's also a % .i . .2 -. , L , ,
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!. 3 - cubmit it 'in, writing. . It's whichever you uia.h . i ..' LIMITED APPEARANC4 6TATEIENT OF DENHIS A.. / 4L 4' i c5 TOLLEFSON, 1525 LIBERTY STRW T, ALEnHY, OEEGON i l- 6 MR. TOLLEFSON: ;My name is Dennic A. Tollefson. I U 7 I live at 1S25 Liberty Street,' Albany, Oregon 97321. I am F 4 8 a atudent at Oregon State University. I cm speaking today 9' as a resident of the State of Oregon who is affected by tho c 10- operation of.the Trojan Nuclear Power Plant. I 11 Export tanbimony has boon submitted during thew 12 proceedings,'specifically by Harold I. Laurcen, Robert C.
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. Anderson, Georgo Katanics, Theodcrc E. Johnson, and Williaa l~ 14 H. White and othera, which der.onotrates the ctructu.ral
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10 3 17 With these, accurances, I do not bolinve that y 10, the operation of the Trojan Unclear Plant daring modificationn 1 p 19 pocos any unduo risk to the health and cafoty of the genera.i. U
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3 follows: f 4 ' "We agree with the U. S. NRC' Staff 5' that tho Trojan Nuclear' Power Plant should Le 1 6 allowed to operate while modifications to tho- l
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[ 15 CHAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you. 16 Let' the record show that we have received the 4 written statement referred and the patibien. Both that 7 17 a petition and all other written atatements have been renaived 18 q r
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.23 statement.of Larry H. Nielsen.
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; '4 Nuclear Plant in.the intorim. period'while modifi-'
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i 6 "I make this requent not primarily aa
'7 .a nuclear engineer but as the head of'a family L 8l finding it increaaingly difficult to keep up with 9.. the rising coct of living, including electricity l 10 costa. Since August 1 of this year, PGE has per-11 chaced over 1.25 billion kilowatt-hours of oiwrgy .
7 1' [ 12' at a coat of over $7 million. This was 07 million
. 13 spent to replace Trojan's output and will cron-s.
i- 14 tually be repaid by ratepayers like nyself. j 15 "I enjoy the luxury of knowing that a 1 l 16 i light .will always come en when I turn the ewitch . i 1 1 i- 17 and I expset to pay for that luxury. However, I 1 .l 1 1 ja - do not onjoy having to pcy more than io necessa)./ )
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_ m when that is a result of buying more expensive ; l f p I 20 1 i power elsewhere while a safe, cheaper cupply is ' f 21 needlassly idlei I ' l 22 q' '"The real question at hand is not the j J ; 2 -" .23; oconomica of nuclear power but the cafety turgin l-i, 1 pg ~ of the. control' building structure to withstand " i f
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4 13, 1978,. which showed . that ' . . . .the structure 1 j. y .5 had'approximately.1.4-. times the required SSE j 6 resistance....' 7' "Testinony submitted on or about Octo- _j !' .6 - bar 3, 1978, by nechtel enginecro Anderson, 9 '
. . Katanica,' Johnson, and White' stated . . . . th e -
10 structure will safety withstand the neismic chcar , 11 forces of a 0.25 SSE.' p 12 " Professor H. Laursen of Orcigon State g University testified'that ' 1.3 ....I ca.n ste:o with .. 14 reanonable assurance that the shear wall; of the , 1 15 control' building can withstand a .25g safe shut-16 down earthquake.' . 17 "With these expert assurancos, it seema
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19 of.the general public and that the Trojan plant 20 should be restartea.as soon as pocca.ble," I f. 21 Who next wishes to be heard or to submit a .}
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3- CIIAIREM MILLEn: Thank you. L I 4 - LIMITED APPEARaHCE STATEMEMT OF MARK HILL, 15 ' ST, HELEbiS g OREGOU 6 MR. II1LL : I'm a resident of St. Helena. It's p .; l i
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B . Nuclear. Plant,- I came here this morning'to share wili you J 9 some of my experiences in-living naar the plcnt, and to giva l .- l
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. 11 a neighbor, and:from that perspective to comment on the 12 proposal to allow.chartup of the Trojan plant before it in 13 brought up to.. earthquake standards -- that in, in the in-i4 . '
terval while it is being brought up to the standards. 15 There are good neighborn and bad neighbo:es. I'd' like to 'give corae impressionc of what it is like to live jy. next.to the" Trojan plant. I'd like to diccuss two eventa
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2 attacks , ouggest very . strongly that ' there are ,K 3- always a; few percons ttho will cc1rmit thd raant i 4 i hei'ous-deedsn within their power. Their eventual ' 1 i i I 5 , .employu nt'of:radioactivo materiala appears almcae' > ; 1 G,1 certain ~~" i i
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2? Recently FGE onarcised ita -- carried . au t a. f.
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3 I wac surprised to ' learn that the NRC requires I
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! 14_ .any longer. He moved, or quit," or whatever. , i 15 One percon called- and got. a taped meaange, l 16 "After the tone, leave your mons &ge." l 17 The only message the Sta e of Unshington, right 18 'across the river, received from Portland General Electric 19 was a singlo phone call which stated hurriedly that "Thic in L )m
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2 attempted. to call the Trojan plant to get confirmaticu cnd ; L 3 was ttnable ' to da so. (*3 4 Alco additionally, the pc.ttson who left tha incocage 3 Si on the taped recording- An you recall, comcone got a taped 6, i message to leave a roescago on a tape. That pcracn failed to 4 I 71 mention that it una a drill, Howevec, the receiver, tho , i
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10 ve were talking about a drill and not a rasl carj a my. , 11 In any case r'it wa. a very dicconcac_ing s a { 4 12 troubling event for uc. The cnc thing thau i:apran ?ed w-13 mont waa the reprecentatuo from thu Matic ml C mrd. T h <- I 1 f 74 National Guard, by the nay ,- '#his waa a trial r or this ! , j [ 15 y drill had to do with a vary minor kind . f accident , a d ner i. 16
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f i e 21 the Cc1mnbia Riv'er and ~ dropping pc.mphlets and loud speakero j 1 i ! E2 and communicating to people to highball it to the neerest h l I i 23 p] decontamination contar aldng. the rivor, wharerer that might { > I g4 DG. SO, you.know, they had in a nonce overrespondid or they l !
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3 problems here, and he seemed to agree, alco, the National-g' ' ' 4 Guard personi He pointed out that in eraergency preparedness 5 plans,.the National' Guard has emergency preparedness planc, n 6 the communications network through which they run overy six. i 4-7' hours. They just keep their communications network alive I i - B . and active and healthy by continuing to exercise them all the l J
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i , 11 - you know, that we nood more drills. You can't expect to kocp 12 an adequate safeguards system alive by ozercising it only 13 once a year. l I 14' Now we carried this raeaange to the Oregon State i 15 Siting' Council. I.wasn't abic to c.ttend so I'm giving you
- 16 hearsay. :A number of. people stood up and attempted to .
F 17 communicate these problems to the Siting Council. From what 18 I understand, they were. ridiculed and mocked, you know, and 3 treated just ridiculously -- disrespectfully, a 10 - - 20 So that's just about the end of that story but
- 21. . you can see that thic scare again is a disturbing kind of i I5 22 . thing.
VO ll.5 '23 How serious.is'the nuclear' industry? How sericut n
. . 24 is PGE? How serious are thece agencies.that are set up
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'I cialled to the Columb'ia' Cotraty,. c John DeFrance, who'is to coordinate radiological emergency responce in 3- ,
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$ .' _ asked'him, in anticipation of the' eventual startup of the l
L 6l Trojan plant 'with substandard conditions. She saia r What i ! should I do in' cane'of an cmorgency? Is-there-any kind or j- 1 p 7: t I i; - evacuation plan for the St. Helens area?" 4 [ &[ } 3
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Wo<had all l 3 these problema you know4 this year but perhaps next year uc'll i: : i; ;.. 4 tryin'g comething different and see if we can work out acme i. 5 of these irrinidles. It's just not very reasauring. l :c2 6 7 b 9 i .I ~ c 10
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J 'd his Linteractu in the case of an emergency at the plant are 5' - identical with mine as a menber'of the public. His vould be j G= ,an admission of a probletri there at .the plant for which ho 7 takes ultimato-responsibility, so he'c kind of between 8 protecting his own ass and the asc of the public, in what i, '
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.15 the government, and the government.itself hae tied itself 1
16 into the' nuclear industry in just co many ways that-~ Ucll, i a17 for nample, the Price-Andercon Act. If we want to stick j g closely with emergencias..or accidents, the government has i. f 19 accepted responsibility-for any kind of accident at nuclear 'l l , 20 power planto ultimately. So it han its liability there. 21- Again, the governnant may find itself in the 1 22 posttion of either protecting itself, because the government i 23 is of limited. rcsourcoa - I maan our government is not ! l
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'11 public into this increased risk in order to fathpn our ,' , 12 .wallots.
g 13' 'Okay. Now there's going to be Oncrifico. Thore'sj' 14 . going to be sacrifice involved if we accido not to take i 15 the' risk vith the public's henith snd safety. Thure ic l t 10 going to be a certain measure of suffering. Toople are not
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, ,'C11 AIRMAN MILLER: Thank..you.
I (Applause.) , 1 6 C$AIRkAN MILLER: Who else wichec to bc heard? 7 Come~ forward, please. O LIN.ITEDf APPEARANCE ' STATEMENT OI? ANDREU PRICIlhRD l 9' 402!S.E 10th .CORVALLIS, OPIGOU 1 10 MR. PRICHARD: My nana'is Andrew Prichard, f [ 11 1 live at. 402 S.E ' 10th, Corvallis , Oregon. I'm a graduate i 12 eagineering . ' student, h 13- I'm hare to urge that Trojan be allowed to l [ 14 sttrt up on an . interitt basis. Let me state, to begin with, i: 15 thct I'm not' qualified to evalua.tc either the magnitude of i . 1 i ): 16 an narthquake or' the coismic loading that the building can t hw ( 1 17 the:cfore, I. am klarced to base my judgment on the analysic i-o L 18 of cthers. e o ( [' '19 ' The problem'with sterting Trojan, as I see it, I
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.anfe shut'down earthquake at which Trojan As axpected to 3 shut down at.0.259' ground, acceleration.
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0 I fool that while the GSE design requirements e 9 are not met as originally. atated in Trojan's license, the j .' 1
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} l ' 15 earthquake varien more than the analysia for an SSE oarth-10' quake from the ground acceleration from 0.0G9 to 0.11g. I 17 However, if the lowest of thece levels is set for.the la required'lovel to shuc down, I see no reason why there uhon::.d 19 ~ be any sacrifice to the safety to running Trojan, 20 -While thic hea. ring is only a safety hearing, i 21 LI feel 'como economic consideration abould be taken since, if-22 ~it wcre not a large ' economic penalty in not operating Troja: - 23; there would ha-no reason to restart the plant. M-24 , However,lthero is-a Inrge penalty for.not runnint
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;g 13 The carthquake stande.rd of 2.5 2.0 varj, very 14; -hm, I believe. In effect, in 1947 or 1948, thase vac nr i f' 15- carthquake of scinewhere around 4. in the naini:n aren.
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'l0 'So I have real doubts as to the real structural I9 qual'ity of'the whole plant.
l 20 The oversecra,'of this whole thing, as far ac !' - 21' PGE ic concerned is ,.. ,ua find out a problem and if it 22 is not' too' big - a problem then the public never really hears l F : l 23 'about it.. If it's a big pro!>1cm, and:they can't contain it 24 within their 09n little clique, then it is exposed to the r h L. E a [' 25 Egoneraltpubl'iceventually. t 3 2- '
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1 4 dollar? lNhy~isn't thero conconc say, in my capacity, at i f' 5 thht plant to: kind of give and check and balance' on that j 6' situation'thero?- Ac1. .7-8 ['1C2f1ws . E - 9 10
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- 10 the meetings ~at the CEC, which in the Colunbia Environmental ll Association. And I've just found out that, due to this I2 -airplane accident, that the uacten are being stored in a 13 swimming pool, similar to a swinning pool situation, a coolinc 14- pool, they call it..'And it is housed in a corrugated. tin i 15 structura, i ,
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ij 21' :The life of the uranium, or plutonium, in S00,000 F I' 22 years,/I understand. The rate of cancor in thin county has I
' :23 -ricens and in the world, in fact,:since radioactivity has 24 L- been introduced into our .atinosphure. ,
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i 23 .tarribly dangercus in just the wasta that it's creating. 24 Trojan - or PGE, when.they first told us they 25 ' would likee to build, or apply for a licanao to build .a nuclear ; . t Jl ~ .
E f 12 C 3 - i i i t l r' i agb3 plant at Prescott, said thare would be no waste stcruja ; t 2 l there. [ l They had a licence - I beliove it is 60 or 90 l t ' 4 days ~+- to hold wastes, and. now they have j aat baen granted ; e r not only a license to store cno year refooling, they've j j 6 I l been granted double that. t : h l 7 1 And the people that are living in this area, ; that's noucthing that is really coming acrons to thec. nc'/, t 9 how lethal and how dangerous that 10. Eccausa un tndersnend { i
'O that there ara several stataa that nou hava entl:wed evt.a l t
11 the transportation through their state of nuala:u unste. : C3 12 My real concern, as living in tni.c north' t 13 and seeing the polition that are happaning. He r. ave iv I 1 l 14 Washington State now a prc-nuclear parcon in the offica of 15 Governor. I i l 16 I personally ualked to tha lady cotc.a years ago. 17 And I cra attest to the tact that sha will always be pro-10 nuclear. And as long ac she has arything to any about 19 Washington State, it will progrcusively be pro-nucl.:.ar as ; I 20 f ar as anything that a governor -~ the pouss of the governo : ! 1 21 can affect that., 22 Mo have, at Hanford, the ponsibility -- and this ,a! 23 a mero projection - that it will be the dumping ground of .!
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' 7 If these people level that nuclear powcr - I sec no necd. L g' want the incroace in power, then..they should take the increase 9-
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10 [ He're here because it's a very clean environment ' II and we'd-like to koop it that way. This plant in going.to 0 ~' 1 ~9 be here forever.- There is no way that tre can say, j ust move j' .' 13 -iti out of our area, we don't want it. It's here to stay, p ! 14 we have to live with it for 500,000 yearc now, there's no l .. ! 15 way we.can get out from underneath it. e I i
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( [ i 20 'I'd like to leave you with one obcarvation by 21 a Mrs. -Holun Coldcott, the lady who wan inatrtunantal in i , . , 22 -atopping the French from atmospheric testing in her area, ,. 23 'which was. Australia,Lat the timo. Now, aha's over here hol?ing n,
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[ to a' safe place away from thiu danger, I would. But.I- J 9 understand that now there are 60 of these plants in' operation t f . 10 or in near-operation in the United States today.
. 11 This lady makes.an obacrvation of by tho *lcar f 12 2020, we will have something like 100,000 pounds of plutonium l (g. ' 13- to deal with. I don't ace how wa can watah it for 500,000 i
14 years without having a mishap. And it only takas one-millionth 1 Ie 15_ . 'of a gram to-kill you and kill ne and kill my children. L l 16 Thank you. , [End WRB ; CHAIPJiAN MILLER: Thank you. MADELON fla- 17. i I ,,, 10 1 1 Tend 1C2 - 19 ,
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[ 9 ' RESIDUt1T , ORECOTT 10 MS. CRInHY: I was here vesterday, but it'n ulmost t ! 'l l a No nile trin which'I had to nahe on the hun the ni(Tht i 12- 'beFore yesterday but I utan't organized enounh to opea? 13 yecturday.- l 14 . CHAIR?lT01T iILLER : Sure, Ha'rs clad to hcar from l-j 15 ?you... i-
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( 8 quite far.fron here,-probably ac far fron.here as you can 9 get living in Oreg'on, people in that area are concerned about 10 . Trojan and its operations. I an.not only boce.use of the
- . 11 dangers to ourselves and our friends and relatives that do 12 live in-the irnediate periphery, but also because of the j g 13 never ending inplications of nuclear.prolife.rction which-14 were brought out so well yesterday and so far today also. ,
15 , I fully acree with I believe it was 'irm Mu:,cek ' s !. 16 opening statenant vesterday- that the world would ha bacter i. 3 I i 17 off if nore people .could cry about the precent plight of the a f Ja carth and.Its people. i l- , 19 I have spent over neven years of my life in uhat ! i' , {' 20 are referred to as Third and Fourth World courcries. And ,$ 21 the rsality of figurea'such as 20 percent of tle world's [ o l" , zl 92 ~ population using 80 porcent of nonrenewable resources in i : i 23 very meaningful to ne. -J i; '\ js 242 'Me currently hcve a plethora.of books written on~ -l
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i i IG He days: . f i 17 "What in-needed evidently is casentially a 18 conservation -oriented econony and not one of which 2 l' , 19 ne] f-c::citina entrepreneurial dynamism in the driv-3 20 l ing force " '
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- - 11 And the adverse renarks that wa not - we would i, 12 have liked'to enter into.a dialogue with soms of the people 13 that.didn't foel.the way we did. However, this is hard to n
14 d o .- Usually they would just fling comments at us over their i- ! 15 shoulder, such as saying "Get to work" and things likc~that. I' ! 1G And that was why I made that ntatomant at the beginning, p. 17 because I-didn't know of any people that warc participating l [ 18- at that day with me who were on welfare or anything like that-10 They were medical students on leava from college, l 20 and things like this. And I think that the imago that this 21 projected about any opposition is'not a-trt'e one.
; , , 22. And I an-also concerned about the covorage that 23 things: got in the newspaper. I.know that sone newspaper do- I s
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2 h 3 f'or a couple' of dayo liafore I cana. hare, and I couldn't find I anything about-it. So.it's not curpricing that the annural ! populous:in not.more concerned, hscaunc they just dau't know 5 about things. 6
~And one question I'd.like to ach now is whcit cea 7 one find the Transcript of these hearings? Will it be in ths l t 0
' libraries of the state? I 9 'CHAIRfmM MILLER: Wa'11 Gupply sop' inforicatibn !
IG about that, and the Envirenrauntal Impact Statamant. 11 .Mr.' Gray,.would you givia that inforraation, p3eaco? 12 MR, GRAY: As.to tho Transcripts, a copy will bo i 13 availabic in the local Public Document Rocm in tho Columbin 14 f . County Courthouse. That 13 up in the area of the Trojan
'15 Plant. I don't have the anact addroac at the mment. 'Init I ,
i i 1G can got that. ! i 17 An - far ao tha- Environ 9cnbc1 Inpact rtates nt is l l 18 concerned, there was an Environnental Impact Sta m ouc is aa;1 [ s l
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( L 20 end as issued prior to the licenning - of that facilit.y ,
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'l 21' .it was part of .the bacic for issuing the licam,a; 30 it un -1 !
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Impact Appraisal the determination was made that thara could l u . ! O be no significant environmental impacts from the spent fuel is , J 6 - !. storage pool licence amendmant and that it van not nacenaary 2
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i b 7 to insuo an Environnental Impact Stateraent. l 1 With regard to the present proceeding related to .i 9 the control building, the NRC Staff has concidered the enviros 1 i i 10 montal' impacts of interim operation not in an Environmental ! t i : I < 11 Impact' Statement or in an Environmental Impact Appraisal. Bati I L t I - 12 the matter has been reviewed and the Staff has concluded that 13 interim operations'will not result.in any different enviroa-14 mantal impacts -- any environmental irapacts different than 15 what has already been evaluated at the time of the original i i t 4 16 licencing of the plant. I s 17 And that for that reason neither an Environmental I
- I i 18 Impact Statement nor an Environmental Impact Appraisal is i
i 19 . required. And we will be presenting a statement to that i i c0. effect in this hearing. i 21 An to modifications to the control building at l 1 22 this point the'dctailo of the modifications are not huaun, l
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... 24 pactsaof thoso. modifications-at this-time,,- It may well be j
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.'1273-mpb4' e&fects of the nodifications vill bb - will hava to be made.
'h CimI1UIAN ttILLi1R: Are the materiale that ware filed l
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'O you've told us of?
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O The Final Environmental Statoment for the operating. F ' license ntage of licensing of the plant in available at the , 10 local Public Document Room, as is the Environmantal Impact , i II Appraisal for tha spant fuel pool proceeding,
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12 CITAITU1AN IIILLER: All right. I 13' Uc wanted the public to know whero theca documener
'14 are availabic.
15- Ms. CnIBBY: Uell, . I abill don't quite understand, i l' l' 16 The' local Public' Document Room in Colunbia County only, or f 17 would there be one in other countiea? 10 MR.' GRAY: Ho, that is in Columbia County alona. 10 CHAIRIMN MILLER: That's the only placo where all i
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21 the doctunents ure filed co that the public may have accesn to l 1
-21 .then. 'They're not filed in'u number of placen, no.
'1 225 .MS.LCRIHDY: -Motovan in the-stato capital?.
e. 4 R3' CHAIR?OYM _MTLLER:- Mell, I don't know where the
- 24 Documhnt Room is,' hut I don't think it:n-in.tho' capitol j j
25 ibuil' ding.: . It's not in ifashington County. r+, 3
d ! , '1274 i f I l 1 , mpb10 MRs GimY: 'The local document room ia-in the City. .h 3 of St. ' Helens, Oregon, at the Columbia County Courthouse. MS, CRIDDY: . Wall, did'I understand alco that'the 4 L Transcript of. thia hearing is only there? Wouldn't it be in 5 Salem too? c .- Thn Transcript would be filed CHAIm1AM MILLER: i I 7 at:the same place. That is the efficial placa. 1; .- O I wanted to give the information for the benefit
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9 of yourself and the public. You santed to know where, and ? p 10 that's whero it's located. 11 In thoro anything more in your statement that you , p r 12 want to make to us?
-13 MS. CRInDY: Well, I'just wish to any that that's i
'14 very difficult for people to get at, I mnun other people in j
15 the state that are interested in it, i 16 I have a question. g 4 17 can I file a written statenant on Mc>nday? j 1 18 CHAlmmM MILLER: Yes - vell, I don't know about J
- 19 Monday.. .You can nail it to- tin at any time, uhatever your l l 20 convenience 10.
P1 MS. CRIBBY: That's what I mean, hacause I didn't
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I i 24 MS. CRIBDY: Thank you-very much for your attention, I. 25 C11AIMUW MILLER: Thank you for coming. , i I l I p -p
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l CHAIRMAN f1ILLEn: -Who wiches to ha heard ubnt? j i 1 - 3' Como forward. [. : 4' LIMITED APPETMdICE . STATEEEUT OF LEONARD. DELAITO, 1 0 RESIDEMT, PORTLAUD, OREGON L 0- MR. DELhiiO: My neune is Leonard Dolano. , 'l l - f - l
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i ; e 12 only tima I had to get thcao tocceher - in which wa wish to i .,. 3 13 express our opinion on the need fer renewing tha operation of' u
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Trojan. . And we fac1 - and I'd liito to read my lettor which l
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4 18 decision must be nado on any changa, if neede.d, ! n~ 19 - to- PGE Trojan control room abructura r evicienct : t i i 20 indicates feacibility und nond for continued ' i :
- 21 > operation.of Trojan and that thia can b'a donc -d t
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. 23' - "The Qignern of the encloned patition. ara E .
s , 2r init -af few of - the nany who sea the need for rc~ 1 25 newed oppration of Trojan in our energy concuming ( 6
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Being occupied.in the procosc of hic work I' l 7 responsibilities, the writer does not have the time 1. O to attend -Inectings on this matter or much tine for : C !' 9 obtaining signatures to a petition, but han been , { '10 impressed with the few he has contacted on the
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Il . matter. That fooling is that wa earnectly hopo 12 no unneceasary delay is involved in rectarting 13 operation of this facility." h 14 How I have here the signers of this, and the pati- !~ ! 15 tion-rendo as followc: !- 16- "We, tha undaraigned electric-; energy users I and ratepayers of Oregon, observe with concern the ( i 17 , 18 ' idling of the PGE Trojan reactor and the continu-c l 19 -- ing delay in its oporation. We believe prolonged 3 ! 20 . inactivity of such an available power generation 21 affects the individual and collective economy:of
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e .. Jed there aro w.ny qucations that tha NRC Board 6 L has bolask itself.at this timo s .and while they're tryin(t , to come to the decision "an to whether or nok to Act the 1 , '70 . plapt have: interim operhtion. l,
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l whole thing in. all of the - the taajority of inforuntion that the NRC will be relying on is' coming frcm PGU and 1 /"- Bechtcl. And I was uondering if this lo a 'mry logical
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-17 really small portion of tha reportable o curi: enc 2a filed 10 in the St. Eclans Law Library:in the County courthouse.
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.I i there's Anj interesting; paragraph. And it saye that :the Jhly 6
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with.these hearingo. It!'s defective, and so they come up G-with figures on how.it in offectiva, and then later tney i' 7 come - up with all ne'i 'figuresJ 0 I'would not rely.on: people who can't be right, 9 or who ara consistently wrong. 1 is 10 Another interesting one.was the roms that the l- ( Il Lworkers who were accidentally. exposed to radiation received
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' 12 during the refueling. h 13- When I first read it in the paper, it was - 14 they had one figure, i ,hink it was the 14 and 17 rama. 15 And then lator -- and that was on the front page of the i
. 16 paper in big letterc,. stating how thia icn't going to affect 17 them or be 'a danger, becauce this amount of radi tion is no 18; problem at all.
19 Dut then later, in the very back pagos of the paper, 20 in little tiny type, they showed that those first figures 1 1- 21 ware. wrong, and that'now they had new figarcs. 22 Another thing on the history of their reliability,. l 23-
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. was uncontaminated." I 8 l And uincre do the KRC and the St;rce of Oregon Tet I
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11 : hnother NRC Staff rdation for recomm.leration ci! I 1 o I ! 12 ( order roccinding memornncnun. It said: h' j j il "Thic determination wac predicated i 14 1, -i on Portland General Electric Company'a v:r. m~ . i 15 i centations .to the NRC...." 16 It's not junt logical not to raaJ.ly rely on PGE i 17 and what their statements are ' 18 It's not only the logion1 thing to do but 19
' apparently. their unroliability has armsed crabarraav"anc in -!
o 20 tb4 past. I i 21 J Thin letter from Richard H. Stadvit., Ancist. ant 'l i
. , . 22 Attorney General, it'a to Chairman Wolfe. r, It s,c/c:
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5 . l.- Okay. . .There really wasn't a lot of damage done ' ll 6- 1 by this,.but'if they're representing the control room j
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[ , 0 . I going to be any.spalling falling and, if it d;ea, well, -l 9 ! it'll.be specifically this shape and this waight and it l
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1 'f themselves this time it could maan hundreds.of thousanda j 1 i 12 ; of lives.. . So, .as to relying on information frc:a PGE - 14 . l- from what.I understand, the.NRC is limited in funda, and j 15 - - apparently there are no funds for the state or the federal l , j < 16
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otudies, oven though they nay be a professor somewherc s 10 ?' l-4 elce or work for another company,, f 20 L I think comething shous.d definitely be done to 21'
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4 . 4 .I just-picked tnoce at rendom out.of the docur s t,roca. I v f' This one ia an-unplanned releace of radionativo , j 4 t
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15_ through building walls, a piping acetion waa fcuna to %:va 4 !' ,is d stress levela exceeding code allo' tables. I l
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. ~/ sequencers and they were designed.by Bechtel, the.DBA nc-a O 'quencers.
'9 An accident or reportable' occurrence with the DDA 10 coquencers, another one.
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t- 12 nequencern fixed. There have been problema, all kinds of 1' .13 ; 'different problems with them. 16 If they can't - they can't .even fix thin' picco 15- of equipment. I really have no idea what it is, but if 16 it's not working in the Trojan plant, why ucrry, you know? 17 So it starte in '76 when they'rc having problens, 18 it goes'to '77. And an of Februcry 10, 1978, they're still 10 having problems. . Apparently the design is wrong or cc:nethingO 20 wrong,.I really don't know but it just doesn't sound good . al- to me. J 22: Another one that I found real-interacting, as I
.O 2b' was l going. through these, was the ate.ount of problems that 7,8 I ' they . have with the contrcl rod. lI went to:F Visitora j
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3 And apparcutly thcse control rods. control,in-l g the reactor,. control'the' activity that'a going on inside
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7 10. I 1 During the performanca of routine survcillr.nce ! 9 -testing,'it wac found that rod - that Control Rod E-12 10' would not insert from its fully withdrawn pcoition upon
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[ 4 12 During periodic operating tectu to chack rod 13 movement, it uas noted that Bank D and Bank A vould not 14 move in Bank talocb. iL 16 Thic one wns really intcreating because, if
'i 16 these rodo control the activity innide the reacbor ~~
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10' "During the performance of" -' I don't know i d 11 what this is ~ "... . 20T 1, rod novament ver2.2ication, b p , [a,, . , I.2 ' it was found that control bank D rods could not 13' be moved."
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[- -14 un circuit failuro caused the loss of ! L' 1 !: .15- rod control which affected half' of' the control e i 4 16 rods in control banks B and D and shutdoun q, 17= ' bank C.F fj .-
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['l' ' 20~ Every' industry has problems, every parson'han
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3g_ pump retor occurred while the purg was in F, s 39 - operation..nupplyin.g. normal charging to the I 20 reactor coolant ayatom." e , .
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- are people who work at the Trojan plant.
I 18 i , !' Dut nobody la perfect. And these reportable 4 :19 i L ' occurrences deal. with the fact that to have a totally safe ' i 20 , j .. nuclear power plant you'have to.have 100 percent safety on the ! j , i 21 ; i I part'of the' people. Theco reportable occurrences havo to do 4 . 22 -. withc that.
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'S our safety, our' lives , they hava~no.considoration for uhat l I
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g . from. But it'a .on PGU stationery, so I ic:agine it's frem then. ,. g7 It says, i 18 Mherefore, the withholding of the 99 q attached answer will not advarsely affect the , { I ! -E0 public interest." L !. +10 And this: 3; "We have determined that disclocure L . 22 L J- ,* of; the information contained in the above-referenced Eg _ o , K cupplement.is not required inthe public interost nor 24 p..
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.Well I d n't think you shauld reopen the plant 12 f r interim operation. . And Ithink that probably, j ust speaking:
. 13; .au a Colutobia County resident especially, I'd really loso a
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1 [; [2 LKUNDIGER,..ST.'HELENS, OREGON 3 'MS. KUNDIGER: I am Marjorie Kundiger. I'm a l - bT '4
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[. 'S - the county with.a certain quality of life 'and life otyle in 6 mind'. I; feel that the.ctartup of Trojan would interfere'with e ( -7 my rights to that. quality.of life. . 8- There are three nnin concerns I havo. llumber { a i- 9 one, the safety-of the construction of the plant and tha 1 ! )
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15 I feel a legacy of a.cican, healthy environuent 16' should be left to the children of Columbia County. 17 I '.would also like to say sone of tiie feeling's
- 18 that Linda said about the governraent, and having an effective 19 government organization' arc also cemething I feel very 20 strongly
- about. Otherwise I-wouldn't be here, trying to 21- ' appeal tio.you to make the placa.that I. live safe.
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-l-Leb21 I ic (LIMITED APPEARANCE STATEMENT OF DARLDUE EUPJHUADr T RESIDENT, COLUMBIA COUNTY, OREGON 3' MS. BURKHEAD:- I'm a resident of Colnrabia County 4 living 12 miles.from Trojen.- I'm concerned with the quality 5 of' life for myself as-well as for my neighbors. The things 6 thtit concern no most are the effects of los-level radihtion 7 and-the transport and storage of waste, as well au the 8 structural rell' ability of the plant.
O g I believe those thinga nhould ba looked into very I 10 carefully as they affect thoucando of people, f 11 Thank you. 12 (Applausc.) 13 CHAIRMAN HILLER: .Thank you. 14 Anyone else? I s i' 13 Doca anyone also wich to heard? 70 VOICE: Mr. Chairman, there woro puopic coming 17 :from Eugena at this time who haven't arrived yet. I wonder, l if nobody elac wanta to speak nou, if wo could adjourn l ts ) l 19 for lunch and hear them later?- l i 20 CHAIPJtAN MILLER: Yuc, we can do that. Do you I 21 know who they aro? ! l 2f VOICE :- Tom Lynch, Don Helson,,Skoeter Duke, 23 and. I= think maybe Sandy Pitler, and possibly others.
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9 LWould you spall your nama pleasa? 10 i MR. IIELSO!i: Donald IIolton.
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'13 MRa UnLSON: My natna ia Donald Halcon. " reside
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N -Mik iTELSON: Occupation: tencher; but . ro?evant, t' 17- - CHAIRMAM MILLER: Perhaps not<, n i i 18 , .MR.'MELSON: First I hava a atatenent I uould like 1 j' 19- to read, .pleace, from anothar individual narmd Annn. lina , t l' 20 Kennedy. j: i e= 21 , . CHAIRMNT MILLER: Who? Would you-spell it?
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1, r. 20 -The Tro'lan Plant is not in good h&'.th et thic 23 tiMSI: 'in fuchf iN haU a TGCord Of.D00? OpOrD. bit i M ' DCO.1t le . ThC CORDrol ROOM 'at TIOjan O'riOdG to h0- , ~ m, , zeaobae umdmxeus, - m.1mm , m q:, 3 I 24 >b& abic Lto,.' perforin'its vital 'funetioria unaar - l' , i-k). g ', > l , ,~ - as' genvir.onmental stress that in known to be precant, i jf ;
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10 "If error is to continue to be to1rst.;t.;dj l l M let un err on tho side of forbe.arance i Ucr] now i. 1. e t 12 Oith eure-~and skill.to secure the control room; ' 13 .take tho' time and effort neccccary to inatill, the ! 14 quality that han bocn 1cching;- than uith accuranca J
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t [ 16 "I ack that this Im dono, ao ths.t all hl- I 3- ,. . I i 17 people concerned may'have co'a paace of nind in> i i [ 10- '.hnouing: that your bcat ef fort unn 1sado to gnur:- j 19= too our hon 1th and safety. 20 - "1v.~ina.liac . Ibnnedy o " t 4
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b ' (Laughter.) 7 MR. NCLSON: What compelled me to br b era today i [ G was not money, but fear; fear that the p accicion timt is L 1 0 going to ha made by th.in Board in going to be har 15 on poli-a 10- tics and. economics. Lota of money b involved here, tremen-t 11 aouc amounts of nenuy. < i 1 J 12 . Ana .if hictory ic going to rcma.t :ttna10~, than the J C -decicion.will ha based on neney. t ) o .
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s 240 expected. to"l carry additional ricks by having workera troup.' 25 .. faronna1the planti while they3ra trying to roctify all of the i ,
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s their particular' backgrounds are, and what your part.icular 6- [. o l T ; education and;past work hictorico are, so ther uhe . nbara - e 8 of the yancral public.can har3 a bottar view of th: indi"id-1- }~ l 9 ualc who.are going to mdko this accicion. t . 4
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- 15- 'CilAIRMTW MILLER:~ I hope it vcficets in our next J 16 paychecka.,
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T'm called a nuclear physicint, nou catirca, nnd I n t 0 i for the laat aldost three decades I've corkc6 et ~tha Las Alamo 9 S Scientific Laboratory, tiy field haa heen critical w parincata 10 and nuc1 car criticality cnfaty. l 11 I'm precantiy juGt n' consultant to the URC, , i 12 'MR, HELGO3T: i Thank you very much, l
! I3 ' That's all I hhva to Amy, other than that I hope j
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15 Thank you' vary, very much. . 1 10 ctyaryuinn nIfJ.En: Thank you. [ v; ]'. l 1
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Thank you, 15 Living out in the hillo in sotr@eri 02 oc;c i ; j 8, , 16 ,i
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l e 17 last I heard they wara going to b9 in Salem u a tiin u.cn I 4 18 was attending conathing elea' here in Portland. j- 10 I came here
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'4 civilization ~has even been recorded.
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's 8 heing paahed,.I would urge you to do.co. b D I would urge you to make nnce that io can he cc s 1 10 anfa.ac it can, becanoc my fear 10 that - un11, to c. cart l. i' I. 11 from another place, I balievo nuclear parer vill : 2. .,,::opped , i 1 . 12 I think that if un arc not able to stop it in C H ,h o u:- I j- 13 ' demonstrati. ar or education or votes, v.v u nvwr, you 7. rme, p 14 coming frc:. that anglor eventually there in going to 'M ,
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4 / [ .1/ The public is going te rico all over the world i i 18- and demand that they be shut down. ~ And'I hope ua can ot;op i e ! 1' 19 'it beforc tha't happens. 20 Go I'm asking you to be as cautioun as you can { 4 i.- 21 with it no that it doman't httva to cops to th t.
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[ :1134 R 2ND GTDERT, EUGEtiR, oi E OM, 97402' 4 MIb LYKCH: My namu is Tom Lynch) and'I livi at i. 1 5 1134 E 2nd Strost in EMgene, Orogon. -( y P 6 - To .begin with it- disturbs me comuht W n . son' l t 1 j l 7 limited appearances: ha.ve bacn unparated fran Oh. ongoing
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l? .- 22- testiniony. ' A: lot of 'the rhataric that' a direc9 4 gainct 1 j,? ? 23 i th.e-anti-nuclear movcaent,has to do vith people be'ng na- , .! ( , t ,. -24 Lemployed: and enLwalfare = and food ctuaps and all thc.t Uud of 1 j.< - i::
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i' 20 listed among their rencona ^ hat, >The nuclear :arutry hac ! ) fv 21 dwelopcd to become an indu=ry ' of nr:nou apaci ,li c "r . cach L e 22 promoting and refining._ a-' fragmelit o:? Lthe tachnology cinh littldcomprehension of the totn?. impact on our ucrid cyctem "' Ih
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1 p 6- I hope that during the procent procca. dingo you - : n l 7 throo men;of the Atonic Safety'and Licensing Donrd will not i 8 succumb to this cult. Unfortanittoly it acomo that the very D nature of the pocition in rhich you now cit dicts.har that- .; 10 you .vicu only one narrow band i:c. the vast spcatre of:thic r ! -11 cituation.
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[ t 14 specif2.c topic.. That is, tho inherio opom cica of the , 15 Trojan Pirmt prior to repairn which would recucn i, to r n-- 16 :plia'n'ca with tha law., 7.. 17 I am going to ask you to atts pt u vic, [: this iscrel , t 10 frc:n a wider perupective than that. I could like you to try 2 [ 19' to 006 it from the vicwpoint of those of un who hava uttched 3 . L. 20 PCE operate: the Trojan Plant for ~ cavornl yeart now 4
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_ i, the: record a number of' news clippinga and reports which Z p v 3 have been'able to collect in the pact few daya. i I'm:curo a 1 p G more thoroughilint of Trojan michapc.can ho obtained f! rom 7' L the Oregon Dept.urtment of Energy, if you're interentud. 1' O
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from a lettor written by Frad Miller, Diz:octor of tF Oregon 10 h Dopartment of En?rgy tihich was acnt to PCE fo.Uot.-l.no _ n 1' t {
.U incident last spring in which two workdra at Projuc r./:aivod i-
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i' 19 "The Dapartment of Energy b21!evea that thu t 19 [- high radiation done to Trojan pornannel on Ap ril 5, j' l p - L 20 1978, ranulted from como of ene'ndma tactore that V t a-21- have contributed to previous inci&ints at he ,
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'71 at the plant. 'i mC' reporting docenents from the 2
e 12 period of the last tuelve months dducloce thab t j 13 the Trojan plant has experienced at le:ot 30 + u minhaps. Several of theco acto cf non-ccmplianac g 15 with' federsl . nafety requireraanta appem: to h w I 16 .bcon cunacd by cyatenatic procedural arror'or . 1
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i 1< . L 'eb2 , .I ofi operator error. and; equip: cent malf tmchien. Conne ns Mada n f- , . . . 1 by Karl' Morgan suggest that this combination of low ta- s: a-r: I., 3 ture/high pressura conditions um/ bo the v:orci, r:chellurg: al 9 F-
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d" 0 Between July 1975 and June 1977, there were 91 a:? port- ] J (! I able occurrenced reported to the NRC, : netween Dacetar 19'75 [. / and Juno 1977,-Trojan exparienced 40 unplanned ahutdowns. .c
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L.' 10 I'm sure the list of Trojan foulunc couln go on, b I 11 but tnat'c what I've been able to dig up in et lan i: few 12 days. i g- 13 Some roasons for theca luroble with ai sn R > i r i [ 14 be explained by an article. published in Janucr; .d 1:GS by { ! L { 1 h 15 Oregon Timea. 71 few oncerpts from tre art'cic n.y i llus tra te 4 4 16 its profoundly prophetic ir. sights, i [ 17 Under the heading of "Dechtel's nuug.1;""' t I 18 " Criticism centera around nachhel i.' . j 19 Corporation. Hired by P E As architect-on anow , e 20- for Trojan,'Bechtel hec c cor,t-plus contracc i vith PGC; - that :u , a profitiia guarantw1 em han
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I i ,< 7 there,' said a field inspector." 0 If you notico, none of thego useple 's nuirm arc 9- given because they aaked that.thair-ne.mo not be re c71ed i to when.they talked'to tha roporter here, to protact i:he r oua jj safety. 12 "'Cocb is,airply not a factoz out 13 there, said a field inrcpactor. 'Un rmdel a , 14 cmall drains.ge ditch to catch surfaaa 1:n!;n " ming , I i: p: . off a hill next to tae-fuel and stora.ge building. l
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qs They put in n' canal'uith cement reinforcing, ty An'expencive concreto and brick pinna for tha , 18* Administration Building was no sooner corsolated - 1-39 -than it van torn up to run acmo pipe t. car to ic 20 Dachlorinization Building.' E" = pj.. "On~tlio other hcnd, Bochtal ftold in-g spectors are 1.unang the worot-paid wo: ':ers x he l 1
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, 10- hava 1een riddled with finws. In engineer hem a ! i i 11 aubcontracting unit said, I can't counL the nwaber i, < r ' 12 ' of detailed errore on working plans I've ?ound.' '
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[ 3 alleged 1 faulty work at 'ita PalisaSca Muclear Pcw L[ : 4 Plant. This plant, designed to pucance 021 mag: - ; o . .
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I l- pt Pipefittern in particular are fairly militant. 15 The largest portion - of ( '1e work foran coi: 4
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' '5 . discover when.thuy flushed.the milas oF pipes in t the plant prior-to activating the reactor, r:orkers a
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j-0- the pipes. It may just be. talk but th( h.ct'Bhat [ r i, $- D' thie ' hind of spaculation doesn' t raise eyebrmes 10~ among laborers says comething abca. the extant of 11' their alienation." i. il F i. 12 The conclucion of the article contairc a con-g 13 siderably. prophetic statement I think. [. , ll I 14 "Meanwhile the work drags on at Projan j
' 15 au the Colu'nbia flows' by full of its wintcv b urdan ,.
16 Looking over the mazo of unconnectsd wire and a I , 17 atainlesa pipe dripping in the rain, one worker t {, scratched his head and chrugged, 'I 'rl't c.h * ;k ; l 18: ' i , ll -
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L 19 : ii : ; i L 20 pipe springer, as. the pipofitters call thw alvec, ,l 1 ' u. 21 :1 coked up., 'The prob 1cm is, what if ;' do c * ' " ; l I~
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feb8. 1 comply withDNiiC regulations were an ~ is al'ated incidea b, ono 2 'might'.be:judtifiediin allouing the plant to continua interim 3' operation and granting that degrea~of trust bo W' 'md l 4- Bechtel ., : But-it la my contention that neither POP nor b 5- Dechtal havoi shown Lby tl:ioir past record that they ro ' do-- c j 6 ' serving of auchctrust. e j 7' I h' ope that the. racmbers of the. Atc nic Euf aty and - i B- Licencing! Board'do not succumb, an so many-other HRC end F E 9 nuclear industry people have, to the cult of specialization. [ 10 An Wendell Bprry puta it in hia .newes t book, The itncorelinq
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12 apacialization." .i . I 13 'I hope that the recabors of the Ate <,; Stety .n d
'14 Licencing' Board have the wiudem to vion'thi:: e r ,uc. c i int.>cim 1 .
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4 10 the decision which you have boon entrusted m Cm. " hic 4 i' 17 decision involves tens of nillions of dollara and rco.uidar-a' 18 able' corporate prestige. , 10 'However, if the membare of the Atonic Bnfcty and 1
.20 Licanoing' Board choose to refueu PCE permiacion for Interar
, ~21 'operatipn of Trojan, this decision will be viewed as ese l ? withl broad rainifications extending .well beyond . the cabpa of ; l l 1 - g3 - thin' particular hearing. And if-the Atceic Safoty and 4 r -
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i eb9 11.- c'afety review of the entire Trojan complu by F grx;.of j. 2 competent people with no.monotary or ego nethcha van ::o 'the l ,. _. 1 -outcome of.'their findinga, then we may.yet havc co man to 4- believe 'that' we' will- survive thic. vory caricut and real 5 nuclear threat to cur. survival. I-3 6 IL' hope that you rocogni:" the importance of the 1 7 decision before ycu. I wish that I had the power to make O cuch a decision. IL hope and trust that you vi31 use thah l 4 i I 0- ' power wicely'and to .the banofit of all of us, no; " rely to , 1-10- the racnctary benefit oE a i'cw. 11 I would further'like to ev Phat Z've cea hear- i f ! l l
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g-4 . 13 is health'and scfoty, that need for prue: ir no t to b . con-- 14 sidered.as an iscue and cost Ja not to be conci&c ad a nn i 15- issue, but I think it 'c obvicua that even the mou t chaunchly 1 1 16 pronuclear supporter uould' have to m;rce tha'; ' ualear l 17 plant that is not operating ia, marginally a? J.o n c t , aafer 10 thanLa nuclear plant which in operating. And therefore, 4
- 10 the need for power, or suppocad need for powcr, and the h 20 cost factor 'must be. incorporated .into there smacMMre 'or 21 the planta uould not be.licenro5 to opo_ ate in the first
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L -14 .They are considoring the cost to them and yet , .[ 15 ue're not allowed to discuco these kinds of costa and got i 10 those on the. record and get docutaontatica en tha coots and i e a l j7 need for power. And I think if you're only going ta con-
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19 for.the plantLto be turned on because iC only nonlth .a6 20- cafetyjis considered, you havo to agree that it'n t.afer L 23- shut. 22 Thank you.
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l- 3 liR. SITTOM: My nama in Pat sitton. I live w. ; l 1 : j-. g b 9 . C3 - 105 N4L.21st Street in Corvallic. I hava e dx.,.cu ta l g l l 5; Physical Chemir>try frow Oregon State Universitp uicth j l 6 considerable Gtudica in physics attached'to thic, nnd I'm ? i i f '. 7 i also cloce to a A S. in' Math ct. Oregon Stato. .I i 6 ' As farLas the question of uhather or not T'n i 4 9~
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10'} L could' attend thene hearings and put my tima and anargy into II l them.bocause I considor thic n very impo;.: tant thing to do, of auch im?ortance that it outzeighs aty tu mrary concerno q l U of ny own about ny own care.ar or wacien.
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their. judgment,'it could ba neon by beepic on thu autside i 3' . L looking-at;it.that perhaps they tended to be Wahhcr-ludicrous beh i: "
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and PGIT and other' pcopic have boon. bringing ' form:rd aimplV n' j bachuac 'of 'innues that ' arc ;nau being conside: fad bui ihich,. l
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!- 11 Mow.the Bochtal psopla, as I t h ..cz 'ad '.:, l i 12' [ claim that their' plant according to their matM'aticcl
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b . gi, l' level of 0.15g, as they originally clairmd at uould, and i-t ll l19 'thay now clciin it uill incat an ODB of 0,08 07: 0.11g, j i j j..
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!* -or safe shutdown earthquana lovel of 0.25g, as o::i:Jinglly i
?w cpscified and dcri'/ed from 'tha saisnic citing an:.vgs.
Tho saismic ultiidf curveyn,-I've heer told, c.ro [ i; y-h N notJs'upposed to be conuidored in thic h er.ugo Uct m ;, it f
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#r for that matter, legal data. It is not bacec on currm,ra
[ 6 c which natiafy.the current MRC regulationa fo- ceimic citing.
'7 .And, henca,..I feel that this .r:eally deos need O' -to bo brought in and discuoced.on a vs..ry d anoive leval and I}.
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.17 and if there uro any further studien planned. i 1
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19 parhapa,.uhould be taken as e tacit admincim. bu uhoar i 9 is. planning -thene studios that -they hava sor " dont o! c.h g - + 4 -
'21 ; safe chutdown carthquake li:, val r.nd the sit:.ng v:ibl. ' s. , '
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with guarantees that it will meet the GSE.lsval, but if - 6-L there are any doubts of that SSE level, that ncede to be i i I looked at-too. And I will submit a formal written quascion on that iacue. I . Also,- .I have so:a documents hora :hich dnal with ;
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. I've at,tonded two of the ; arac d/tyn al evidan.bla ry E .hearinga so far, and I've listened to many houra e' crocs~
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[ 'than what.wo have'here as a piece of paperwor%. 1: G I C4 We're citting here discussing decign' critaria, blueprintc, paperwork, test modelo and uc hava evidecca ! 8- .
..that this may not portain to what's c:xc there at all,,
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f 4=a 10' that thoce non uro indeed very concarned nbout theik carcers j - ' 1G 1 F and their actual' physical nafety unen they do cuccify on ; { t - 17 th2.a 1, 4:
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1 4 (.' Intervenors have actually barn overruled. m c.ausa.of thia, 1 . > 4: n- I nuouldn ' t am al.'.cwad , wa're not allowed to discuss -- N but ' siting quantions. nra nei'. cariide: red to ca p :ti rx to , i e [ ,i hn . this hearing. ! g Jul.d on an OfficiCl 1sval, this FC.y ;U C:Gb HC'./SVC Cr ( l. hh 3 I'd liko to point out that ec'ro diccucsing citimg criteria i i I M every time we .ay CBS or SSL Theco are cricaria couing-I' # . e m, g e , y a . . l; '12 apacna.cally out om aa.ti.ng sumyn :um no . m. ink uo are i 16 diccuscing those curvnys, whetcer wo Wit it or noh and ,. I L 17 I think they should ba brought in in ih61 un gih.n a rc~ i. 18 evaluntica if rs.casuary. E i, e , C PC oU 9[C d ., $Cr Qu.1, L J a
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!L'h. _4 incredible l levels 'of redundant clouble-chcaking and incredible- I l i !' 5
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- - 19' and I don't maan it that uay ab all,. it's more liita a plea -
p 20 . and that ic, to' the mtent that thers ic pousibility for f_ i- [ , 21L objectivity in this and to'the extent that there in a
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g . interest either to'.be,getting univers on accurancco that
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of-this plant. <, l 7 f
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, -through cnd yet get by. This in definitely counter to What I5 -
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i. J 20 g . literally terrified!by uhat~I saw'in ther;c:documenta. ' h "
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' report of' tho' Oregon Department of Geology'and Mineral 7- Inductries submitted in March, thic year, uhich is a ' rovioit .
1 of~.all siting, geological citing,that'han been done.on tho l l 9 Trojan. nite donc by the.ntato geologist. l
]O- .;And he was requested by a Mr. Hunt, I'bd ieve,-
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. woll, I won't. cay - But he was requonted by the Oregon 12f Departmsnt of Energy to prepare thin study.
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1 10 11e rocsived back 22. replica frca profoccicnal i' '
'17 people qualified to apaak.on thic nubicch from around the ilG . stato. July my concerns in this matter are swr &M w-d by 19 . quotes fronIa specific.latter that came back in rouponac to his.requeat.
f0 , 1- . . 21 ' CIIAIRMAN 11 ILLER: ' Ara _you planning on filing 22 'thoco documents with the Board?
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; MR, SITTO11: This- is a ichter back to Mr. Donald 3 . . . .
- .. Hull, the State Geologist, written by Professor Leonard I, . ,
Palmer, who's an Aacociate Profecaor. of Gaology .at Portland - W S-State, This was written February 73 1978, which is at least cight youro after the beginning of formal studica of 7 this cito.- And he begins ths letter:- 8
Dear Mr Hull,
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"In' resp 6nse to yobr certified letter 10 requesting factual data for a revieu'of the Trojan I
l1 Huclear Power Plant cite, I must first emphasico 12 that the site is best hnoun for its laah of ; factual daba on geology." 14 CHAIR!4AN MILLER: Who is this letter from, by the Way?- N MR., SITTON: This is from Dr. Leonard Palmer, I ,', !
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an Associate Profcosor of Geolo"Jy at Portland State University . 10 CHAIRMAN MILLSR: Thank you. t s
'O MR. SITTON: The letter containa 25 points of i
< 24 information which he thinks Mr. Ut.ll should be considaring, "1 i in addition to conclucicus and discussion of that data. 1 l
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"Thw faults whidh underlie the j ,'
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p 14 "The Trojan site study, however, is ; !i - ( 15' _ moat blatantly 1heking in any of the nomal " {, }' 16' geological information, no pretext wec e.ver i l' 17- made that any geological criteria for citing l i-1 [ 18 was followed (1970 he.aring records, I hava
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is. whatjic : cacpecfcod to happen in tbc :futurs., , L 9 The SSE is taken'from the. siting curveyc na - i i-the largoat carthqunka~oxpected.to happen at that placa, 5 L according to tho geological ohnervations mada,. F G- And thase'observationc, an'cotifcxwnrd by.'tho ,.. i
- prescnt NRC regulationc on this, are quita explicit and f o
L -8 theylare actually quita oxtensivo. And I quota hare now i. i 9 from Volume 10,..CFR Part 100, Appendix A. This ic Section t-
- l. 10 Fours i-11 " (a) Investigctions shall....," and I will l 12 cmphasine "shall" - " . . . . include the f ollowing:
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! N geologic conditions of the cite und the region 5 i' i 15 i surroundbg the site, include its geologic !
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l t l' ( ! 17' And I will comment that this would includc - ? , L ( 16 this'would take care of the historical curucy whica was 19 done. i 20' "Part twos identification cnd evalue 11 21 tion' of tectonic st. ructurca underlying the cite t . . i 22; .and the region currounding the sito, whether R ,"' 24 4 l j huried or. expressed or. the surf aca." l 5 .' . I . 24' Comraenting 'again,' that the original visnal survey ; j' "g ., t_ j-
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#e y "Part four , determination' of pro-6 . porties neaded to determi.no the behavior of tho underlying material during earthquakes and .
! i 0 the charactoriatics of the quake--induced motionn ' l ' s 9 to the, foundations of the plant,.such ac seismic g i M navc velocities, density, water content, po:Joaity L i
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'tions wore excavated for the sito, Mr. Corcoran who 'ias, at s'
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1/' y have literature to that cffech - about a: lob of fracturac I D found in the bedrock unGar the excavation. U
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17 the fault-like features in this cito are vary old. And they ; 5 IO' are cufficiently old and cufficiently well- canented, or , 1
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[ ' And I will granb this mny well be truo,, Ho;7ever, h i i 1 E. .2n'- when it ' cama ito. consider the faults - not t!u.a faulta, bub ( ' ' " 23 rather theffiscuros undar the plante Mr, Corcoran rcquached y, LM 'specifically 'that these should to examined, that there chauld L. p j' 25l r r
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3: l "On liay'2, 1972,-Intervenora against
- t. 1 ' the construction of the Trojan Plant before the i
n . 5 lNRC signed a memorandum of agrecacnt' with PGE "G. I .in.' exchange for a promica'to never.again challenge-7 . ll .the'constr chion or operation of the Trojan Plant, i. F. O' . L '"The Intervanors, in turn, received ' i. W 9~ p certain concessions- from PGE, One of th?ce i t f0 [ concessions was that a 'goaphysical advisory U 11 , board' of throc.persono chosen by the partiec ' 12 and paid by PGE,lwould prepara certain saismic L 13: . - .
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'14 l.< : Dechtel evaluation of the-sitci,"
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" point,.uost cf the evaluations had, indeedf been performed i.
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}, Ll ~"dnfort'ubately, tho, Memorandum of f23' LAgrecuent was prepared primarily by resycaenta-e ,
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i 9 This paper.goca forward to point ou'; tnat whilo. t. 10 these touts were performed, they were often parfo.t:rmd to a i' ! El 1 .Very, very limited extent and wherc2s something w.ight ho I' ; L ! 12 . 2iormally -- a testi might normully ha required to cover an I n
- 13 Larea or the whole.arca of the sito, they ucre . W;imen 1
- . 14 g done as only ninglo-lino studica, or line of aig)rc ctudieu. >
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" intended to probo beneath the bedrock undar the Colu2 ia 3 1 17 3 River for evidtnce of fsultin% i'n fact involved only onn h ,; e 10~ . linear profile acrossothe river itcalf.'"
I l ; 19 This was done to.a depth of caly 500 fcot, 20 altliough such studies are known. to be able to penetrato 21L J t to-soveral thousand foot. ! b I L l'
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f - G- "Within the linits of the method, no 3 ii L7 evidence.of a major cheur zone was diocovered, -l
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- 9 Now what we hove bare is something that says ,
i-1- j- 10 "within the limits of the method." I have cpokan-to geo-i 11 physicists about this sort of thing within the pact vech and f [ 12 they have assured me that.geophysica is a very uncertain b ' 13 ccience, that it's very.new, and that it deals with activi- !: -14 tips ubich go on over a time scele of millions of years l
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16 then suddenly ;iump, or it may be activo for a long time und j L: , then it stops, and we'have no assurance of this. I ' -- 17 l I 18 And so these people annura me that they can i 1 I I F 19 never'possibly give a clean bill of health to any site any 1 i.-
- 20 pince in the world, and I understand that, However, what 1
! 21 they cay in what we're trying to do ia a probabilistic l' t thing, so'ro.trying to givo ccme accurance'by doing a full L i 22-I
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23) 24 1say7 "available- data," but by doing .ns many studica an possi-- '
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- 17 However, what he' did cay was tha t fro the date
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qa available,~wo can't cay anything, Me cannot say eitner i i-i !. 10 ' thing. We cannot cay it is safo nor that it in um.afe. 2nd ( i I. go 'thic:goes.beyond-hia former statement that tk re au no i 4 l ! 2p possibil'ty i of a clean l bill of safety over. { 1 J l ! . l2[ , What;he.was'aaying was that this atudy is..uffi- 1-j p- , pa ciently scant that it's a travesty. a
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L . h 7- And once again,-thin revealed no new information n 8 but'again it wac.a very limited' test. !
'O .The aeromagnetic. survey is also covered here. 'l 10 "Again,.the area covored by-this par-i.
- 11. ticular stulvey was extremely limited, and covered l
t 12' a quadrangle 5-1/2 miles to the north of the cita., 4 . 13 1-1/2 milen to the weat, 2-1/2 ' miles to the eas t, h 14. nnd 1 mile'to the south. The recultc within thin 15' - narrow rango'did'not indicate' changes 'such as J
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' 17 ' f the river bottom.'" ,
1 , 16 - Now I wo'uld like to point out again that accord-1 F 10 ing to the NRC siting regulationc that I just road, there in
. ,1 20 reference in there to checking faulta as far away as coveral 4
.L (hundred. miles. .Anything that ic remotoly within the region :i
.. '2, " needsi to.bc. considered. An aron 1 curvey a few miles around p.' h h
s-the cite .doesn' t strike me as.'suf ficient.
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'e and.stabilizAd at n 1cuer level nearer the river. l 1 'l 8' ! Corcoran' express.es thin concern at length in' hic l p 1
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l, 14' . Trojan sito may not be a 2arge alide block which L ( t-l ts; broke away from- the main mass to the wes t at a p 16- , tiine when the river, uas considerably lower than l I I '1 _17
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i o .13 ccom to have been seriously considered by the i 19' Bechtel.goologista becausa..they do not mention .tr l 20 anywhere in 'their r2 ports . , + I i I 21 "It is. a well known fact that land- ! 1 ( . 22, cliding Lis connan along the Columbia River and in .; gp , esome p1heen tairly 'large-sized blocho have bden !
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-10 The Board in this caso concluded that:
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- i. 11 ....with the submission of.this re-i r
- 12- port, geophysical toolc have boon applied to the I 13 development of'the geologic settings for the 14- . Trojan Nuclear' Plant to the most practical extent
- 15 .and no further work is warranted."
u 16 However, this paper by Ma Garrett points out l' thdt'at the time the Memorandum of Agreement was signed in t j7
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i' 10 ' May of 1972, 'the study wac scheduled to be completed by 19 August,.a period of about four months. By this time the l
- 20 basic foundation excavations at the site had jmen completed.
L. i F l21 All' foundations for the plant and the cooling tower had been i~ I.
'22 pouredL. The' frames of buildinga' wore in place and approxi-L' -
.23 matelyi-020 millon had already been spent on the Trojan s
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1 4 2 and alsofIfthink within the context of the. points brought
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.7 of the'NRC and-oce if thero in further study plannad at this D' site. 'And I}uould be very interested if that could ha
-l 9- brought. forward during the evident!.ary hearing. I don't
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;13 It is also brought forward in thic paper quitt.
I .14 a few times that while the Nnc regulations for citing i i. b 15 studiott tond to- be of a very regional nature, encouraging e i- 16 the body conducting the survey te look outward from the ,. [
}y site and detect faults which might be connected to it, the .
l .m ntudica conducted so far all seem to be co;awnat the con-i 1D vorce of .that with tha studies beginning in the T.coj an site ,. t i 20 ' and : attention being given only where easentially nocasonry 21- to faulta that poople seem to trip over. )i
' 22 Again hora when the Donartmant of Geolocy and ]
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-- 4 believe that is - what? . - Nuclear and Thermal Engineering 5- Council? -I'm not certain. - further emphasize the 'importance 6- Lof regional' study, and'they quote,.naying: '
l a. 7 -a Board regional evaluations must ha i 8 followed by detailed atudien for specific loca- ., 9 tions. Such work will involvo a complche nrray [ 1 10 . of. geologic, hydrologic, and sciamologic inves- l 1 11 tigations besidea including data from other dis-J. r 1.2 ciplines." l
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l- g a 15 Plant. Site, Columbia County, Oregon," filed by the Stato'of .l. (. , 16 Gregon Department of Geology and Mineral Induutries, March 4,. i 17 1978. This'is a survey prepared by Mr. Hull as a result of l~ .18 the;33 requeats he put out for any data avc.ilable on tho
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g 1 20 and'then has an additior cen to fifteen pages of biblio- [' 4 21 graphy, citing references. i t-22 It was my observation from looking at this that p 23 .. this study also bringa:up again #:he-pnraseology that T was I,, i. 24 objecting .to 'before, that' the data as seen does not reveal ! L
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.to-change the conclusion in th'a Trojut i'SAR iaat l I notential scisraicity of the site arca aa 4.ndicated , 1 j' it i l l
!. 6 in the.hictoric ricord and in tho egional d.ic-l 1 i tribution of coic:qic eventa iu adequatol;/ F w-4 0 trayed'in cite design." . i- 9 In other varus he 's anying thcc tha hir toria l 10 curvey of earthquakec on record, and the hiscarie curvey c.f 1i regional distribution of eterthquAeu is what w t.:we haced ; L 12 this conclusion' on, and w have no now Moda to ;&an c thnb
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h 14 saying in here about tha actuci safe.ty of the sic.ca. 15 And I don't cannidar that what I would call a
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i 7 That is again.more precise large-sca]e modela .I !- 1 j 0- of movements of plates on the surface of the earth 1 L i- .9 "We respectfully request the oppur!xnity
-10 10 review our conclusions in the ovent that ns.:w 11 information-contradicta and/or nececcitates addi-12 tional studies."
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t 121 Ho's calling for more complete studies and then hot caya ' t i g g l 26 Lknow of?no gaologic reason ~to quection our previous utedies
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[- i. mended that the. Energy Facility Siting Council p "5' consider the systematic'and. periodic' review of v 4 [ 6' the geology'of.the Trojan cito on regular inter-7 vals of possibly ten years or more frequent 1y'if f 4 j 8 significant new data so require, or if licensing
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l-h 10 " Clear definition of agency responci-2 i 11 bility.for requenting and initiating such reviews ' 17. - of availabic new data and a cicar definition of' p -13' the means of financing.such periodic reviews is t' !- 14- needed." I . l- 15' I think this is'the question that we find our-l- 16 1Gelves' dealing with by_ force of nocoscity in these hearings i-17 ' when we colac up with tho' question of whether or not the plant 1
.18. is safe.In f acing earthquakes that are predicted on the 19 site, we como up with the qucation of how we're going 'to 20; predict those earthquakon.
21 Whether or not we want to deal with it or whether i l-l- - 22 :or.not you're empowered to' deal with it, it exista. .It 2 n \; Lpg .a' physical fact, andiit has to ba dealt with somehow, somehoul L i= 1 124$ E throughithe organization of.the NRC. I. don *t know how it I [5h. c . . g m. 16 fcanibe don'a.- 1 ., , m:
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.1 cecms to be what I'm facing here today in spanking with some l
5 1 ' ) t i G. doubt aa to hou this can be. implemented, uhether you gentle- l l d,en uant to do it.or not, And I assuma that you vill.take 1 7 l g nterest in thece. things. You seem to be ' rosparding. Dub i [ ; I 1
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Hell', 14 significant new; data t'a-the extent that the geophysical b p y sciences are progressing exceedingly rapidly theco dayc, they l [ g a):e one of' the arcac of fasted.and most exciting growth in ' , i.
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! g - the . geophysicista" th I've talked to, very cor:getent, verp l gg_ eager, excited peopic, nut what'a' coming out of thin is that 20 there are novi methods and refinemento of enthoda coming about i
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1 I g most.recent tenta scre performed.- Their nothoda are far mora l c 23 refined now.than'thay were at that time. And th_e methods jg themselyes hre practically calling'for rc7 evaluation o'f the l. pd. o .-- site, simply.. becaupe wa can now do it f ar better than we
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4 And when he talks about doing ctudiac in regular 4 3 intervals 'of ten yeara, voll, uo' re -- what? - nix years L ! 6 .beyond the Dodds survey nov, which was the most recent geo-1 !. 7 physical curvey of any sort done. Uc' re pushing that ten- l'
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9 4l I've heard some peoplo describe thic documant
. 39 from Mr.. Hull as'boing in favor of the present levala l g classifying present licensing of the Trojan plcat and thc g p'esent.SSE r critoria and OBE criteria ac cat, and I supposa they could be interpreted that. uay. IIowever, in looking at 93 i
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I:wouldn't want to' speculate on that. , 4 20 4 4 f L' , DR. PANf0!T: Oculd you give us Mr. ifull' a full ,
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l- 2- . ic Lspecifically referenced .to - the State of- Oregon Lopartrent I of> Geology and flineral Industry. However, in tha cttachments f- 3 l i h a - at the- back .of the report vc hava .latters specifically from ' 5 Mr. . DonaldLA;:. Hull' cigning himself ar - Stato Geologist on 6 Department of Geology and Mineral Industry stationcry dated 7 . at the. time immediately prior to the report, calling for 0 the information that he used to write the report. l l 9 CUAIPJmU MILLER: About hou'much longer do you l P, ' f 10 have? t jy MR. SITTON: I'm just going to go a few momenta l , 12 ' longer, with a few brief remarks. l i l-
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. l 15 LMR. SITTON: I'm about at my conclusion.-
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g scientific and engineering dicciplinec, wher people arn t perhaps thinking in different uays., And over the course of- ; 2,- _ l many yearc we are nowLreferring back to ctudaan conf.uctcG y
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p g c review' board sitting hero onJa - specific limited topic of the i 1 l- , g atructural integrity of the control 1 room. However I think 1 .. !
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2u, - I.'d appreciato: the moat objective study that you gentlemen o... g J.d) : can'give'to these issuee and tho.Othsr incues, brought up k
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la ?- : 4 would give it a clean bill of health, or. find.whatover b 5' LProblema need.to be corrected.
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[ E [ ^ 4 l LIMITUD APPEA1WTCE STATEMi:?iT OF S iTM: TYGAET b, IIR.-TYGART: I didn't come prepared with a tablet i 6 and formdt:and everything; I just vanted to reply to an , 7 Jaccusation'_that was mado yesterday by some of tIie peoplo in b I
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4 13 first day of evidentiary hearings, but na will try to mahn 14 it-in'a reasonabic rolctionohip to whatever evidentiary i l- 15- hearings there are in the future on that acp.et. Dut ainee L ! 16 this.is the lact opportunity in connection with tha trial-
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L-19 We have' suggested'befora and we cuggest again 20- .that niore uce could be made of written quections or stata-L - 27. ments, and they can be presented how or at any tiaa. But ; i- ,
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.1 MR.n STACTION: . :My name ic Eric Stachon'. With me 1
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-observed the Pebble Springs licensing hearings, the T.irojan j h 13 epent fuel pool expansion hearings bnfore their respective 14 ASLDc, and I have to say that my pornonal experienop o3 15 witncsaing the MRC in action over thaup past few years has 16 bGon a littic his fruntrating.
i 17 I'have organized my thoughta as a re,1s.tionship l [ 16 betwere four entitico and the interaction between ther.i. Thoce 1D
- would be Bechtes, PGB, the HRC, and the public, l
1 l 20 Aa a;tmabor of tho fourth group, I'll provide
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{ 23 First"We have BEchtel, the largest engincering and: f -, , f .: f ; 76 construction ~. firm in tha-world,.with an obviouc priority!of j 25 *[ creabing profits. .'There could never be.a atrong concern'on }- ; I
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9l A "an adequately-regu'lato"Bechtel since Dechtel is an old h. I ' bedfellow fron.the old daye of the Atonic Energy Commission. .) f ' 6 I'd like to lay a little gronud, a.little' history
.7 in that by relating the story of a man named John NcCone, i l
'O who'is'an old college' buddy of Steve Bachtel, Sr.,, who,
'9 incidentally, is one of the fiva richest man in the country. I 10 Anyway, it sucms that . Steve and Mr. ItcCone formed i.
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17 nuclear- plant' in the country, Uhich in the infamous Dresden 1 ! 10 in*Illino.is. ^ 19: I.think'that cort of lays a little hit of premice 4 J20 'as to the partnerahip.that Ecchtel han exparianecd with r 21- first'the AEC-and now the ERC,
- l 22 - Dresden was nevsr.vithout its problems, but it was 23 . not becitel.'s only nuclear lemon. There's the Palasaides 124: Plant "in Michigan, shasa nucicar;ganerator breko doim chort-F O. lYL.:af tsr coponing.
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", Thoro is also the Terreper Plant in India which-
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! 'S .sure'that there are many more with problema-I'm.not avarc i' 6 og, j , p. 7- ' Bechtc1's flaud are not limited to the constrac- , 8 tion of planta. Their preparatory work in deficient alco', ! } ( l
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j D And.a casa in point it the propocad Shagit Plant which I havo I. s i 10 acme familiarity with. Tha geology and ceicmology are She j , l l ) ic 11 overriding concerns with the Shagit nite. , i 1 l- 12 4 ITow Bechtel'n gcologint s toll us that ,35g is a ! i 1 13 'concorvative SSE design for the plant. However this spring {- '14 a USGS geologist diccovared that Bechtcl'a qsologist had j l 15 mado scricus errors in their ficld napping and two potential V r 16 fault linen hnd buon overlooked. It's cort of a situation , o Y l, where you have tha dauIt lines here, and you look over hero i 17: I 18 and you don't-see them. { I 19 (Indicating.) , I 20 Anyway, Dechtel has been ordered to do torc field , 1, , r -- 21. l Work. And-onca ngain tha project it in limbo. It's indica-t- , .
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A' mapping alone. ;In 1977 that jumped to 1700 hours of mapping h[ 3 -- or.,poscildy" napping, I could be wrong. a {- y [ " 4 -(Laughter.) J i j 5' ' 'Thtt hNre comes' the big illustration: J n
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!: - Through June-of '70'Bechtal has opent approximately .i 7- 4500 hours mapping. That's 4500 houda in six months' time, I c. U nearly -three times any previous 12 month ficrure,
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[ io months 'of this year will no doubt 17.2 greater. And I under-l~ !. 11 stand that1on Hovenbar 6 there is going to be a nosting , 1 i
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l [ .13 l Power and Light, and the NP.C and the UCGS, to talk about [ s 14 still-another possible fanit line.that USGS peologists have i- . l- 15 found that Ecchtol cecned to neglect. 1 L .16 And so still mora field work do going to have to 17 he done. And all of this coming'about after we've been '.)' i F 18. accured'timo and time again that there were no geologic 19 problems at'the Skagit cite, j L p. 20 , So:I think this in a. clear exa.ple that raioca - i 21 questions with Dochtel'c; credibility. 22? That's enough ifor.Bechtel, How we como to PGE., L 23 Land-I wouldn't trust;them to operate their. office building.
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i~ IL t' ove:: their reoccurren:en. ? 1 M nnd-I'have a few copics that I'll cubmit. ! O 3 (Itanding do:uments to the Donrd.) M Tima and again PGE hac just not demonstrated that U 'I5 if; has the ability to CLfely operato the Trojan Plant, and
.. 16 'stsu they want to eliminate the little concervnbim that we 17 'now have th'/ro, and ope rate tlw plant under- cubntandarff con-j .10- ditionc. And I concidar this action ine::cuuable ,
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.f 3 ',1 dence -in the MRC8c protecting our. health end.nafoty. I'd 4
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L h 6 cituatione- It'gocs without saying that'a thorough tiRC in-i 9 spection during construction should have prevented the. 10 travesty,that we now find ourcelvoc in. And now the same [ 11 problem exists: no indapandent evaluations, but almost O. exclunive reliance on Dechtal'c analysis,'and I'm speaking 13 of'thene' control room hearings. [ 14 Now I may not be a nuclear engineer or a physics 15 major, but one needs nothing but common sense to determinc ) 16 that something in seriously wrong here. l 17 I maintain that startup cannot ponaibly ha consider- -
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.22 a time _.o'r two tell. the NRC Staff, ' Look, your work i.s ilmdcquatt ,
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0 1/ke to ace come action'on its behalf that would restore ny 6 Jonfidence in itc performing its function.. > 7 I would'cloco by saying I'll be watching the pro- ) i C) caodings carefully, and that I would. hope that possibly o ) ' 9.r wa'd be afforded the opportunity to make limited appearances l 'M after the testimony comes in on the cafety-related equipment U I. 2 becauso'I think there's a pecaibility that come concerns may 1 1 ! i 12 he brought.out in that testimony that ua vanld like the Board } .
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-14 CHAIRMAU tiILLER: Thank you.
- i. .15 11R. STACHON: Do you have anything to'say, Shanda?.
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, 7' theso.gul.'delinesi.-and with what confidence can the public view . :6 such guidelinen~in the future if they are cimply' waived as [ 9 soon'as they become a serious probleg to a rasctor operator?
. l 10- Secondly, There han'bacn quaation at thcsc hearings 11 au 'to whet:hcr need for power was a partinent -topic for
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14 o'f those hoarings and generating an unnecessary conce of i l 15 . urgency ' Ar. all these prcceedings. And I urge the Beard to l
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t- 17 And if it is relevant then it seems lika both sides i
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i ) 19 Thirdly, the PGE-Ecchtel contract which was re-
.20 leased earlier this week reads lika an egreement batwson a t 21 thief.and a' fool. ' Responsibility for public safety and-l
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4 mpb131 I Its bond rdting;in -BBA ~0n a dociaion betwaan profits and i - 2 cafety,. safety in'certain to take second place, This also 3 prejudices me against granting PGE responcibility to protect
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6 Board parmit no interin operation of Trojan, and furthar, l i! 7 that the NRC he asked to send i.n a team of inopectorn -- not 6 just one or two, but a team -- to comb the plant from top to-l 0 bottom in an' attempt to identify all the other problema that. l V 0 may exist' thoro at this time.and to see that they,-as well L 11 .as-this problem of the control-building, are adequately
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t 13 entartained. [ Thank you. 15 CITAIRMAN MILLER: Thank you, if ! 16. . (Applauco.) i !- 17 Who. wishes to go nert? o j 18 LIMITED APPEARTdICE STATEf!ENT OF ELEANOR GUiin i 4' 19 ML GUNN:- Menbars.of the Board, I hopa that you-i . 20- will both listen'with open hearta and consistr what I havo 4 a , ?J to cay in the spirit.of concern c and conpaucion with which y , L. p
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s mpbl4 quer/bionLtoo that other peoplo have bacn caying that it ic-2- yourijobh.but'I'd'likotohaveayonornoancuerfromyou e U beforelI go~on,.which ia: i In it your job to make sure that nucienr planta i. J 5: b are operating safely? G CHAIRMAN HILLER: I think va've ci:plained before 8 that this in your opportunity, and that va abould not 6 appropriately'engago-in debates and answer questiens and the
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[ 3 9 can't be here today who I know are very concerned about this j .. j . 10 icsue, Land for myself, that we do not want Trojan operating, t i. j '11 especially with the control room walla not up' to safety i
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1 15 To giva an cu: ample of the cross-section of people 16 that I.an in. contact with, I was hitch-hiking here today and l T/ !the four.ridea that I got, the first vac tuo woman nnd a small' 18 . child. Each person asked me where I was going and I said I ' l 10' was ' coming Lto testify here, and their cc:=ent, before I asked , I t- !
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'6 prapaganda also says that if we don't have nuclear power, we
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This sort of thing takes a lot F 20 - of- tirm, but 'it'c happening now. e And I think we should have i !; 21- . the chance.to.do it~and not have this1 4- have Trojan reopened' j t
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F -We are'morc independent herc.and would like the l 6 chance to have cur'own~ destiny to fulfill. There's-lots of-7' talk those days about world doctruction. The. air, the water, i 3 i
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1 12 heinga acems to be'one people forget easily in this world 1 l 13 of business and' money. I-believe the continuation of life i 14 on thic planet to be more important than noney, and I would 1 15 ask the-Board'if they believe that.same thing. }'
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17 shifting, that the surface of the earth is having increacing , 18 carthquakes, and that the whole West Coant could be in a 1 19 precariouc position at soma point in the nonr future. If L 20 you would allow not; only 'Projan, but Skagit and Satcop, and 1 21 other nuclear plants.to be operated when there in no guarantec 22( .that tho' control roomiof Trojan or others could withstand
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l r i p 12 It in known that no levol of radiction is cafo l 13 and that Trojan's normal operatien and releace, of radiation 14 ' is~a throat to the public safety and health. and yet they i
- 15. 'can make a statement like that, that it's no threat to the i-16 public'a' safety.and health, I don't undcratand.
7 17 There will' be an even biggar threat if Trojan-- i 10 operaten before the control room is repnired. L 19 I'd like to any sc.mathing about people's energy n ,' 20 and motivas for speaking on thin issue. At the hearing = p h - 21 Monday I would queca that half of.the people in the room
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- 5' F 6 I wondor what motivas ara more inclined to bringinge p 7 truthful responsen, one who is being pdid'or noncone who goca
?: I, B- because they care?/ 9- I'd like to respond to the person that spoha first L ! 10 after tho' roc 2ss who:aays he's worked on-Trojan and on the L 11 control rooms. .One Gtatnment he reads waa. that mistakes are { 1 ?- g i-1 12- made every day. .And I don't know if.he is referring to Trojan, i g g 13 mitatakch are made ovary day, or juct general technology.- Jind - .i
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{ 13 la'that worth running ~the risk of having thia uhole area 29: polluted, rand vory badly-pollutad.. ) n ~ l 21l .He alcolsaid thatLtha pipes that are uced are 1
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I I don't'know if that'a over happened at Trejan, 6 but if it' happened tharn, then it's happening at Hanford h }. 7 right!.now. -That raeans that there's a lot more errorc than
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11 The last thing I would.like to say is repeating e 12 my otm question: Who is powerful enough to convince you L . ,- 13 to reopan Trojan when it doen not moet the earthquaha standarda?
.14 Are you going to bo' convinced by Bechtel cnd by PGE because of-4 i
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O CHAIIUCN MILLER: Very well,, i: [ 10 MR. PITLEU: The first is by Goorge P. Laird, of 11 253 West D Street, Sp ingfield, Oregon.
'i2 "To thoso interested:
j 13 "I am but a concerned citizen. I cannot [ 14 attend those hearings boeause of connitmenta to my l-l [- 15 . work. i 16 "I want to point-out that I conside:e at [ E ' 17 a' contradictory tuove to establich justified cafety n e 18- measuroa and then, af ter they are appropriately
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21~ tho'banefitLof,a private organization. IP da not 1 g a 1; . 1 E correct to reopen Trojan. ~ 224 lf ~ 23 "Please'try to think clearly." i r, - s.
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12 "I Pnow tha experts cay that vc are . J 13 dealing with minuto probabilities when we speak l 14 of a serious accident resulting from the restart-p
- 15. ing'of Trojan while repairs are being made. I 16 don't question these assertions. Heither would I
(- 17 question someono who attached minute probabilities 18 to the collision of the Jumbo jets in France, . i 19 ' killing over 500, or to the recent carthquaka in f 20L Iran, killing thousands , or .to the mons 'c rous pre-med;itated murder of millions- of Jews in gas ovens . 21.i .- 22, at'the-whim of a'few insano raciato. .
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'7~ "I think you owe it to me and to the f G. Other citizens-of' Oregon and Wanhington not to
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12 " Sincerely, i I. . 12, " Bruce Lowerc
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,o 17 hope you'11 bear with.me. ; t 4 18- I'm a. pre-school teacher in Eugene, Oregon. I-il 19- work with. children ages 2 to 5 years 'old, and as a working 20 person I'would'really like to' seriously regiator my olijections ; o h ' to the ' time' and place of..these hearings . l21 - \;
. : 22 ifhen an iscua which . concerns. the cai et/; of all l-L 23 the citlizens of curiatatie in L hhe- subject of hearingo , I feel 1
i l :24 ' it, is . incumbent tipon you ~to celect a tirae.' and piaco for ' 4.;h- ,
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'10 with the kids'this morning, you'd understand what a real 4- 11 -burden that was on tho' people who I work with.
6 [ 12. -Other concerned' citizens were not ao fortunate t j .13 and their opinions will go unhoard. Therefore, I urge, and i e 14 I am to the point that I-would like to demand, although I i 15 don't know whether I have any presence here to demana r that 16 you schedule 'further time for citinens to appear before you. ;
.7 17 This time must be according to the people's necessity ara
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j 20 The reopening of the Trojan Liuclear Plant in its 21 preaent unsafe 'conditiion concerns all citizens and they munt-thave a chance to express their views.
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} 6 Licensing Board, U. S. Nuclear Ecgulatory Cotaniccion,- . h '7 Washington, D.lC. This is a letter that was written to i-1,. j 8 Governor Ray of Washington concerning the Skagih Plant hear-1 .
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i-- I il "I think it is fortunato that you have l-l- p 12 read or have been informed about the references i 13 'to the Diablo Canyon procacding at the January [ 14 24th prehearing confereace ih the Shagit case. [ ll 15 I am sure that the Pacific Gas and Electric Con- I I .; l, 16 . pany concluded that'c.dequate data had been col-I 17 lected to-warrant a construction permit. [. ll 10 "Unfortunately, the PGLE consultants ; r l- 19 failed in-their investigotion and even rejected 3 ! l .. 20 as ' speculative'...." l :. 21 And. that ' c . in quote s - h rz 22-
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[ 7 -Skagit." f , i .' S -I wanted that in the record to put; forth to you 9- the' idea that, as the woman who talked before me,.I really b 10 fool it la important that you listen to these things with j-( !- 11 open carc in terms of' export witnessac versus people, working I L 12 people. 13 The purpose of these hearings, as 7 understand j 14 it, is . to determine whether it be cafe and in the best 13 interests of the citizens to allou PCE to restart Trojan l 1 16 oven though sections of the plant have been found by you, i i 17 the Nuclear. Regulatory Commission, to be below standards [ I 18 concerning:the impact of earthquakes. ' [
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i.~ ta 5 i 51 The preacnt situationi a plant known to be suc-0 , l: U 6 ceptible to earthquakes, is.an accident waiting to happen. t l l- 7/ ;The fact that you have placed standarda on c . O earthquake _ resistance indicates' you' know how catastrophic q l'- J.
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4 3 in his book, Accident- Flazardt, of Nuclear Power Plr3nts,, which, [ 4~ if.you haven't road,-makes for very interesting late-night 5 reading, almost as good as a murder mystery, i 6 liccording to Dr. Webb the following results 'l 7 would happen from'the worct possible accident. ! 8 One, releas* a lethal cloud of radiation with i.
'9 la range of.75 miles and a width of one mile; 10 Two, cause the evacuation or nevare living il restrictions for a land area.the cico of Illinois, Indiana, 12 and Ohio combined, 120,000 square miles.
13 Three, cause severe, long-term restrictions on 14 agriculture due to strontium-90 fallout over a land arca e 15 the size of about onc-half the land east of the Mississippi [ 10 River, 500,000 square miles, j 17 The. nuclear industry argues that such a possi- , 1 18 bility is remote. To them I say I vill not allow you to take . 1 19 tha t geauble . And I say to you who I assume are people uho ~ 20 21 want.to do the right thing, are you willing to take that .
'22 .gerable and be recponsible for what may reculb? Are you' ready 23 p to gamble on a plant that you have found to be unaufo?
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'3 - MP., DUKE: - My name is-Sheater Duke. I live at l
g L61 West 25tN Avenuo in . Eugene. I'm a self-employed artiot h 4; and teache'r and: community organizer. : C9 g. .I'm really-shocked.that uc'ro even here. 'Now b. lp > l [ y it's. obvious that PGE - in-breaking the law right now by l l= , , I t .. g not. allowing,. by not having its control room walls up to I, ! n f federal 1 's tandards. r j 'O For Governor Straub to call in President Carter f' : j {
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p' i 12 .re-open neemu like 'a conspiracy L:o sort of forget the fact i: , 13 that the~1au is being broken if'the Trojan plant ia turned i: y on.
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o c,0 1 . Many people in the laat couple of days . have re-e q p , 21 - counted .ov(3r.and .ovsr again into the record the many ' incidents: lx i n-- ; over the last: couple of-years of Icakages, of accidents, very 1 m . . . - 4e. . ( g serious p$oblems, and dangerous problems.as the: Trojan' plant. [ q;, J . : 1- .
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9 the fact that i'n April of -this yonr the disclosuraj o l- to was madc. by Bechtel that, Oh, yon, the unllt; . aren't ctrong- } g enough. nnd now .a little bit later we find that. we're really [ p - worse .off than we thought. Isnd then the recent relevations
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s 15 All this pointa up to tha fact that PGE and 9 g Bochtel aro very much guilty of keeping thingn quiet unlenn
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I . . . i 3 3 If the plant is notup to Nnc regulations, then 4 14 what in .the world would you be opening it for while they, rmke 5 . theco neccusary repairs? i 6 I would hope'that.really the NRC would take away 5 5 l , 7 PGE'c licence to operate Projan and uould begin deconmiscion-h I h 6 ing immediately. Bub I seriously doubt that that would ' 4 i. 9
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t i p Before I close I would like to read one brief 39 l 'w , - 39 bit of material that was in a newspaper e The Eugene Feaister n , 1 21 GuarcQ of Sunday April 16th,. It has come fairly significant i ju
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b- j37 l A Miller,-Department Director cuid hic agency's in- [ l . j; 3 vaatigation has concluded' that' the plant operator, - i 4, Portland General Electric Carapany, . could have pro- l 1 7 vonted the~ incident of company officialc had pur-m I 6 sued early danger warnings. g "This incident-.raices qu3ctionc about g safety of plant operations and,.in' conjunction wi G l s; other cimilar incidents, about PGE's nana"ce nt } , 1i 12 f TE $UD'" - Miller ur to PGE officials in a letter I l 9 ,_ dated April 13th.
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!13 i 14-movement'io a' prime example of hou insufficicut-15 planning han contributed to incidento at-Trojan.'"
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s 1 {1 g .5 n f'alao feel ~~Iren{lywanttostressthis-- j , 1 !' that'a prorequici'te to reopuning.the plant is a full-scale, 1 16 I - - I [ g full-blown; tent .of tho.cmcrgency core cooling system, the f g ECCS. We nbed -to accortain the effect of this untented system..j
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[ 4 should;never again be opened. l 3 i 5 Soms of ny roacona for this conclusion are the j 6 , aforementioned problems, the problems which are the sub lect i j i 7 of this hearing. Other health and safety problem with the ~ 1. g- plant' include: irradiation of vorhers; routine release of , I rJ . low-level' radiation; the lack of any accaptable 9nrmancim !, g storage site for nuclear unston; tha unreliabi.lity of all l-g transport systems.for high-1cyc1 waaten; the unstability j ie g of plutonium in-the environnent. 13 ao ecp ig any W ng isolated for a . l g ' quarter of a million; years in unrealistic. It may bc an-g realistic'in your cycc for ne to ask thdt this plant be i
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