ML20126D154

Transcript of 800403 Evidentiary Hearing,Phase 2,in Portland,Or.Pp 4,454-4,497

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UNITED STATES N UCLE AR R EG UL ATO RY COMMISSION 1

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EVIDENTIARY HEARING, PHASE TWO - TROJAN Docket Number 50-344 l

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Portland, Oregon Date: April 3, 1980 Pages:

4454 to 4497 INTERNATIONAL VEnsATIM REPomTEns. INC.

499 SOUTH CAPITOL STREET. S. W. SUITZ 107 WASHINGTON. D. C. 20002 202 484-3550

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Could you give us an.catiraate, an f.

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CHAIRM[$ MILLER:

Proposed findings.

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What do you need to submit proposed findings to 3

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4 MR. ROSCLIE:

I believe we still need to cross-5

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6 CHAIRMAN MILLER:

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MR. GRAY:

Mr. Chairman, other than what I indicatedthismorning,5thinkthatisit.

9 10 CHAIRMANMILLEN:

It would appear to the Board then, the recordl s $s complete es we can possibly make it 11 12 today or this week, so, therefore, we are adjourned until 13 the re::umption, of the hearings en the 16th,.17th 18th f

14 of April at the Bonnevillo Power Administration auditorium.

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10 Is there anything further now?you wish to put 10 in the record before we adjourn?

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20 MR. OSTEANDER:

Someone had mentioned the possi-21 bility of a sit 3 [isit.

Would that be occurring today or --

22 CHAIRMA11 MILL 2R:

I'd rather have it tomorrow if i

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I 24 MR. AXELRAD:

Friday?

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