ML20126D154

Transcript of 800403 Evidentiary Hearing,Phase 2,in Portland,Or.Pp 4,454-4,497

ML20126D154
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Issue date:	04/03/1980
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EVIDENTIARY HEARING, PHASE TWO - TROJAN Docket Number 50-344 l

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Place: Portland, Oregon Date: April 3, 1980 Pages: 4454 to 4497 INTERNATIONAL VEnsATIM REPomTEns. INC.

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to the point that I think that their schedule ould destroy 8 '

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precentsd Monday by the licensee en the work sequence on 13 a number of slides chotT in addition to testimony on the r-sequanca itself?

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St Mn. GRAY: Mr. Chairman, I believe that may well 10 bring us to.~the subject of the Staff'c testimony. Unfortunate-11! ly, at this point,,I again have to ropcrt that Mr. He ring is

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MR. G1UJ . 'las , 'I believe that' c correct.

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. censidered to be uni-sr ol red with rrgard to structural i,l' J~ adequacy of the nodification verk itself.

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l would be presented. And then, once again, on the Staff's q S k safety evaluation report on the wall problem, which has been j i I L distributed' to the Board and ,the pa:: ties--in fact, I believe ,

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to have availabic to th~e I? card Dr. Coleville also for whatever i Oh dditional infcemation he cr.n provide.

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3s l' report that ha ecndition.was unchanged as of this norning.

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minutes to look over the transcript of the morning session.

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1 0 [' 3ut, in any event, he is in the same condition' that 10 he. bas bean for the last tuo days, and I juct don't feel that he ic able to testify.

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HR. GPMI: Yes.  !

I p~ I h CIIAIRMMI MILLER: Could you give us an.catiraate, an f.

27 [ acprorination, of about how much time would be involved in the l d

- 3' pracentation of these additional witne:3es?

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would be, in a ballpark figure, more than two hours.

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• il h M2. CSTF.ANDER: Mr'. Chairman, wa might need'one or 1

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I. .olana of Jcnurrv. cf '79, I think we want to be reasenchla and

"- s' q'we want to have a valid record, not necessarily one that is a1-i done co c;nedily to cast any dcubt whatrcaver on its validity.

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m [d releace standby arr ngo:nnts; un.Tess acmething ocmes up to the i

17! centrcry, I think we "ill alco release temorrcu as far as these 10 facilitics ar concerned.

W' I dcn't c':e that we can real17 go beyond today and

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5i not to ha .ble to tthe whatever steps are possible to get the G

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G CIIAImnli MILL 3E: Well, nuch has been said today by 9 i, yourself, as ':7sil as others, that it would appear that the I I mean, in the 10 three days reLlaining scheduled are ample.

ni evenc ve could not do it in three days, we wouldn't rest on 1P. thn fourth. ' e would borrow . . . Bonneville Pcuer and go ahead k

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MR. GRAY: Mr. Chairman, other than what I 9 indicatedthismorning,5thinkthatisit. ' ' ' '

10 CHAIRMANMILLEN: It would appear to the Board 11 then, the recordl s $s complete es we can possibly make it 12 today or this week, so, therefore, we are adjourned until  :

13 the re::umption, of the hearings en the 16th, .17th f 18th

• 14 of April at the Bonnevillo Power Administration auditorium. ,'

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10 in the record before we adjourn?

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20 MR. OSTEANDER: Someone had mentioned the possi-21 bility of a sit 3 [isit. Would that be occurring today or --

1 22 CHAIRMA11 MILL 2R: I'd rather have it tomorrow if i 4

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I 24 MR. AXELRAD: Friday?

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