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UNITED STAVES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF INVESTIG ATIONS FIELD OFFICE, REGION IV 9.b. b
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REPORT OF INQUIRY 7
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February 21, 1985
SUBJECT:
KANSAS GAS & ELECTRIC GENERATING STATION: ALLEGED IMPROPER ACTIVITY REGARDING QUALITY FIRST/ QUALITY ASSURANCE PROGRAMS AND QUESTIONABLE MANAGEMENT INTEGRITY REPORT NUMBER: Q4-85-001 4
On November 20, 1984, OI headquarters received a three-page handwritten statement dated November 16, 1984 (Exhibit 1), from a former Kansas Gas & Electric Generating Station (KG&E) employee identified as alleged that KG&E Quality Assurance (QA) upper management had suppressed valid safety concerns, intimidated and harassed employees (including sexual harassment), covered up a kickback / bribery investigation, and generally questioned the integrity of KG&E's upper management personnel.
On December 18, 1984, the Region IV enforcement officer notified the Office of Investigations Field
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, which was subsequently determined to be the same letter that 01 headquarters had received.
On December 27, 1984, a certified letter was forwarded to the last known J
address of requesting to telephone Region IV.
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On January 9,1985, telephone contact was effected with and agreed to meet with reporting investigator on January 14, 1985, in Emporia, Kansas, to clarify, identify and provide specificity of various allegations alluded to in three-page handwritten statement. At this time, stated had a friend (subsequently identified as
) who also wanted to discuss some concerns with the NRC. Reporting investigator agreed to talk with later during the evening on January 14, 1985.
J On January 14,1985, at 1308, was interviewed by reporting investigator and a Region IV representative, Tom WESTERMAN, in Emporia, Kansas. At this time, an NRC contract court reporter was present and recorded the testimony of (Exhibit 2).
provided information concerning a safety-related technical item (dissovo tape), harassment and intimidation of a general nature, and a rumor of alleged kickback / bribery scheme involving a QA manager.
explained did not have any specific details or firsthand knowledge of the above concerns; however, provided the names of 3
persons who told her the above information.
did complain that
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felt harassed and intimidated by the QA department personnel because of being transferred around from one job to another.
expressed disappointment in not being designated as a' permanent KG&E employee.
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i On January 14, 1985, at 1829, was interviewed by reporting j
investigator and a Region IV representative, Tom WESTERMAN, in Emporia, 4
Kansas. At this time, an NRC contract court reporter was present and recorded the testimony of V.
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information concerning what believed to be a safety-related construction concern regarding the usage of dissovo tape and a general feeling of KG&E cover-up of complaints made by other employees about i
harassment, intimidation and kickback / bribery concerning a QA manager.
could not provide any specific details and stated did not personally observe any improper activity, but did provide the names of present and former KG&E employees who did have firsthand knowledge of these allegations.-
On January 15, 1985, passed to reporting investigator, via a Quality First (Q1) KG&E secretary identified as
, an envelope addressed to reporting investigator.
This envelope contained.a four-page handwritten statement of names of individuals who had knowledge of concerns that could not remember during the interview the night before.
On January 17, 1985, the transcripts of and were received by OIF0, Region IV. These transcripts were provided to Region IV for proper technical evaluation and analysis.
Based on available v information, the alleged harassment and intimidation does not meet the criteria for additional investigative effort by 01. The allegation of kickbacks / bribery concerning a QA manager will be evaluated and I
researched by 01 headquarters to make a determination regarding the appropriate handling of this issue.
Exhibit 1 - Three-page Handwritten Statement from
/11-16-84 Exhibit 2 - Transcript of
/1-14-85 Exhibit 3 - Transcript of
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Exhibit 4 - Typed Transcript of the Four-page i
Handwritten Statement of
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REPORTED BY:
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E.C. Gilbert w/ exhibits R.D. Martin w/ exhibits T.F. Westerman w/o exhibits
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1 (Whereupon, the hearing began at i
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The location of this interview'is Emporia, i
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At which. time you were transferred?
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No.
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March. April May, in there sometimef 19 A.
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Where did he uorkf 12 A.
He worked in Start-up.
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Start-up JA Start-up?
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As long as we know what 1
19 they ara, we'll try to run them down.
23 A.
3ut then after I'd talked to Snyder that one 21 day and neither one of us really said anything --
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Yeah, a little bit, and somebody has told 11 Chuck Snyder I have it, and he called me the day after, 12 that interview, and he asked me what I was going to do
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I 14 said that was for my entertainment, ano he said, "Well, 1
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17 believed me, out then a couple of days later. I talked j
i la to Sob Jones, and he says, "I didn't know you kept a 19 diary."
20 2.
Soo Jones?
21 A.
He was one of the interviewers for awhile.
2d J.
He workec for Owen, or did he work for Chuck?
23 A.
Both.
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When you say left, he left C-l?
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Jh-huh.
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to know if I thought that you would do anything with it."
7 So tnat diary for some reason or another has got Chuck 3'
Snyder very interested if he would call Sob and ask him.
9 J.
Well, what's in the clary that would be so 10 interesting to Chuck?
11 A.
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Ue had acout seven or eight people i
20 i terminated.all at one time, and they did not know they 21 f was being terminated until they was in front of our 22 i trailer.
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2 A.
Boy, they come a flying in 'there, and I
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that night.
5 Q.
They all hac a complaint they wanted to maker 6
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(Jitness nods head affirmatively.)
1 7l J.
When was that; was that this summer?
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Yeah.
There was one of them that was still 9
open, and he ~ was f rom Lebo. but he had something 1
10 besides tne way they was laid off. but -- I'll think of 1
11 his name before I go home.
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Okay.
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N.y daughter could tell you his name right off.
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Aoout oeing laid offf 1m A.
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19-If you con't remember his_name. I would 20 appreciate a phone call and I'll give you my number 1
21 and you can call me collect, because I would like to 22 know what tachnical concern he had.
23 A.
.ionnie Frueno.
24 G.
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No.
See, he was being terminated that night.
5 Q.
How do you spell Fruend, FR IENDr i
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9 J.
And he was with the Three Mile Island group or 13 the TMIf 11 A.
The TMI, i.
12 2.
TMI?
13 A.
Uh-huh, but he did have more of.a legitimate i
lu complaint besides just ceing laid off rotten, and the 15 file was still open the last I knew.
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Uh-huh.
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2 A.
Uh-hun, and whether it's still open now or not.
3-I don't know.
I heard one time that they had to get 4
all Priority l's closed before NRC would give them a
5 license.
6 G.
You think they're not closing them right?
7-A.
I don't think they are.
you don't know specifically what 6
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10 the J-1 reports ccreectly?
11 A.
- o. I don't.
I know there was one time Bob 12 made the statement, that's Boo Jones, that he had one i
13-final report back there in his office that he was-4 14 sitting on because he said he was not going to put his I
15 name to it the way it was wrote. and what that was. I 4
don't know.
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We could ask Bob?
l la A.
Uh-hun.
19 J.
He's still out there. I think?
20 A.
On yeah.
21 Q.
A sk him what that report was?
22 A.
He lives here in Emporia.
It's probably in 23 tne phone book. but it is Robert Jones.
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No, no.
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ask him what that' report is, he could tell us?
5 A.
He's working under Bob Gloggr.
6 d.
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fiovember. December.
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13 he didn't want to put his name to.
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Any files you meanf a
16 J.
Well, things you feel were improperly done.
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db A.
Uh-hun.
21 J.
If you know tne numoer, great.
If you don't.
22 mayce you know wnc the complainant.was or the topic.
d3 and we can look at it under the topic area.
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I know.
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Do you -- change the subject a little bit here.
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Uhat happened on thatf 4
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Just down right sexual harassment.
15 Q.
Hou do ycu meanf If you read the file --
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What did mean by that?
20 A.
. said. "What happened to is very. tame 21 to snat goes on over there."
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Did explain?
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might talk to you.
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I was told the other day that was 9
going to oe transferred to
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l 11 get rid of him, but now whether'he is or not. I don't 12 know.
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Do you know anything about a -- do you know 14 any thing else on that area, that sexual thing or --
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Well. I do know there's one girl that left the I don't know what her last name l'a 19 was, but when she was terminatedi we got the -- a paper -,
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23 G.
Uh-huh.
to see if eney did have any complaints, and 24 A.
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Anything you know about anybody else.
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Not really.
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if you know anything about it, and that's do you know 20 21 anything about the breaking and entering of a car, some 22 guy had somedocusedlhorpapersoranything like that?
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Never heard anything about that.
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How about the whole plant?
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I'm sorry.
I'm just down on it right now.
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Yeah. I know.
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Because just for the w&y I was laid off.
13 Chuck never come and told me.
He let this other guy 14 tell me that I would -- Friday would be my last day.
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And you bere transferred to somewhere else?
16 A.
Uh-huh. and I was told that this is tne only 17 opening that they have out there.
It stinks.
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The manner in which they treated you is --
19 A.
Well, they told me this is the only opening 20 they had to where they could transfer me, but I know 21 for a fact that they are hiring people Wednesday.
22 because I got a friend across the street that's got an 23 interview with them.
So there are more openings 1
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Well, the plant is winding dosn I know that.
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Uh-huh.
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So lay-off is inevitable.
It's going to come a
to many people.
9 A.
Dell I think Chuck might have been just a 10 little worried about what I knew and didn't know what I 11 would do with it.
So he didn't.want to flat out lay me 12 off.
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He doesn't know what's in your notebook.
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15 in there and you can't figure out why he's upset.
I'd la just keep it.
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That's what I'm going to do, but there's j
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20 2.
Just a feeling that you feel there is some 21 kind of a harassment out theref i
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not signing my report and this end that?
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Right, uh-huh.
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Okay.
And you've given us those names.
We'll 7
go cneck those out and we will --
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Good.
I hope 50.
I'd like to see something 9
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That Quality First is a good department or could i
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11 d.
It could be.
12 A.
If it's used right, it could oe fantastic.
13 But i t's got to be operated on the up and up.
14 d.
Is there anyone else in d-1; you said this Mr.
15 Scown; is he in dichita?
lb A.
Kent Brown is in Wichita.
Chuck Snyder is the 17; manager.
Sobby Walters, he's probably the next in line 18' out thera. I would say.
I've still got a friend that 19 works over there.
One of the girls that I trained to i
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22 and looked for Jalters to take it over.
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He's XGaE.
Snyder is not?'
3 A.
Snyder is KG&E.
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Anything else you can think of?
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I+probably had a_whole bunch of stuff, and I.
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Take your time.
We're in no hurry.
Would you 12 like to take a little break or something?
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I don' t know.
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Well, I tell you what, if you do think of 17 something, you know my name.
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Uh-huh.
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I'm gaine to give you.my phone numoer --
20 A.
Uh-huh.
and ask you to call me collec t --
21 2.
22 A.
Un-huh.
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He's a hard ass.
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Oh, I thought he was very nice.
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Yeah, I work for him.
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Certainly.
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i1aybe you nadn' t better -- what did you think 10 of
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What did I think of her?
12 A.
(Jitness nous head affirmatively.)
13 2.
Very nice, young lady.
l 14 A.
Well, if anybody knows anything about what's i-15 going on out there, sne would because she made it her 16 business to check.
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Uhat do you think of.her?
la A.
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Yeah.
2C A.
She's okay.
Her and:I got along.
5 21 Q.
That's my phone number in my office in 22 Arlington, Texas.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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My secretary will answer and say you want.to 5
speak to me.
6 A.
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of stuff --
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Okay.
12 A.
But anything you can get on them. go to it.
have I or any other NRC 13 2.
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Do you cara to add anything or vol'unteer 21 anything, either cne of youf 22 A.
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Let me ask you.
Why 6
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As I say, to get me 6
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Is it a normal thing; 10 is that a camotionf 11 THE WITNESS:
Yeah.
Put me over
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When this joo is through, that's it, because 14 thera is no mere openings.
All of them are filled up.
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No.
I don't even have 22 it with m e.. or it's not even in Lebo.
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10 l Nuclear Generating Station, Burlington, Kansas.
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location o f this interview i s E:nporia, Kansas, and the 1L 12 '
date is 14tn of January, 1935.
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is 130o.
Present at this interview. are myself, i
.t 14 j Mr. Ricnard K.
Herr, investigator, Nuclear Regulatory 1
15 i Commission, Nr. To:n Westerman, enforcement officer of I
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'4, Naclear Regulatory Coinmission, and Judy I
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This interview is ceing transcribed oy 16 Court.ieportar --
19 I THE REPORTER:
Chris Robbins.
20l NR. HERR:
Thank you.
Before we i
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start, I'd lika to administer the oath.
Do you have i
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No.
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4l the whole truth, and nothing but,the truth, so help you Y
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'I do.
7 F. R. HERR:
Thank you.
Okay.
That 1
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a witness. ceing first July sworn. testified upon 11 her oath as follows:
12 EX Al1IN ATION 13 BY.1R.
HERR:
the other day on the telephone I talked 14 d.
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to you about the statement that you -- a handwritten 1 b ',
statement tnat you made dated 16 November, 1934.
And 17 this is a s t a t e.n e n t that you sent us; is that correctf io A.
Yes.
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Ok3y.
In this statement you mentioned some 20 things that are of interest to the NRC, and that's the 21,
reason I wanted to talk to you in person.
And I'd 22 underlined some things that -- what I'd like to do is 23.
ask you if you can pruvide a little bit more in detail 24 !
what you meJnt when you -- when you executed this 25 three-page statement on the 16th of November.
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Yes.
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Those are the problems you're concerned about?
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Uny can't we take them in order.
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you cy either'2uality First or various auditors, see if li we can get those clarified, and then I'd like to come see if the intimidation or 20 back and talk about 21' l harassments or threats are involved in any way in i
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Is that kind of what you 23 had in mind?
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Okay.
Ce can start it that way then.
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usually nave one -- there's three doors, outside doors.
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This was brought up by Bob Jones, Quality.
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Cafety hazard?
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It's a safety hazard.
I think OSHA would have i
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been involvad.
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Has anything been cone about this?
Has OSHA 20 f been notifieef i
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I don't know whether they have.
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Bob Jones, who lives here in 25 1 Emporia -
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Owen Tnero,was a former head of Quality 13 First?
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And Jones used to work for him?
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Yes.
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In 2aality First?
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Does Jones work there anymore.now?
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He still works there, but he's ~no longer 21 associated with Juality First..
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What is his position now?
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when.did you start there?
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1.sorked out there for a year and nine months.
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Then I was 16 transferreo still in the Organization and I did the 17 transmittals to vault.
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Then I.was transferred again, still in the 1
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It's called the -- it was called the Dissolvo 17 tape issue.
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whenever it was'first initiated at' Wolf Creek.
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quite a bit of problems with the upper management.
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He did such a good job.-
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He did such a good. job, and the people that 1-11 wor <ad for him did such a good jobf f'
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And did a good job.
Too good of a job.
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Too good a job. and that's'the reason you 16 think that the problems sith upper' management, when you there was trou'le with upper management --
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That they removed the people because they did 20 too gooJ a jobf 21 A.
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Io since March they've had quite a turnover.
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The whole Juality Organization. Dick Grant.
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Owen Tnerof and has formed a 19 A.
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The tape incident you talked about earlier?
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And you know this oecause Richard told you 18 this or Owen told you enis or Shum told you thist 19 A.
I heard about the issue whenever I was on site.
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Give me a time element.
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tie wrota -- he mentioned this to me.
He said 16 there was a report, it was around June of 1964. he 19 brought aDout savaral violations.
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What else do you have?
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Well, the GA trailer caught fire.
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The GA --
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Ke.np was pretty busy towards April to July, 14 was n' t he?
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Is he still there?
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Yes what?
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Why was he madf Because you were leaving him i
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Made copies of the records and kept them off 17 site because ne has -- because there was a feeling of --
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'who were the two peoplef 12 A.
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Do you know how to spell Stamoaught 16 A.
Stambaugh is S T A M B A U G H.
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Nothing.
Also before I left I was told that 7
there was offers -- there was an offer to Wolf Creek or 6
to K G & E from Bechtel to supply people, and Wolf 9
Creek wasn't to pay -- to make any payment until the 10 plant was mace commercial.
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That's not unreasonable.
That goes on.
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So -- 50, I don't know.
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Payment upon completion of contract is what 14 that's --
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Yeah, but it was sure -- Bechtel was --
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How are they messed upf i
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If you went and requested a documenti it would 12 probably take them three or four days to even get the e'
13 document out of the vault because in order -- when we 14 submitted records to the vault, there was lots of times l
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21 records to be submitted.
Then they go and check these 22 for signatures. if it's ledgible. that type thing.
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-- to find it.
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Couldn' t check on itf 10 A.
Couldn't check on it.
Somebody would say, "Well.
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12 records are all over the place.
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No.
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No.
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And tnat record management is somewhat sloppy?
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Yes.
Connie Steinert 20 Q.
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She works --
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She was -- as far as records goes and 24 transmitting of records, she would be the top authority.
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ought to be checked into.
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Was it Gloverf How do you spell thatt 11 A.
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Sob Garner had something to do with that 9
effect.
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Because of comments Garner made to you about 11 Chuck Snyderf t
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Uh-huh.
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No, that tampered with. Dick Grant's --
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Dick Grant's.
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Dick Grant's.
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-- MMPI ano the background.
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la whenever I worked in construction Dick Grant started li working there.
And Dick Grant had declared bankruptcy 20 at one time --
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made Guality director in November or December of 1983.
4 Then March of '84 Dick Grant was able to buy a condo.
5 In May of '84 he bought a house and also owned or had
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If you remember later you might give us a call.
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To his advantage?
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To his advantage.
Like Stewart Boston.
He's 12 a supervisor.
And his parents are old and invalid, and l
13 he came here to help look after them.
And Stewart j
i 14 Boston is -- he's got to find out some of.these 15 problems, which is his job.
But then management i'
16 doesn't want to know any of the big problems, and he's 17 afraid of losing his job.
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If he identifies --
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If he identifias or pushes the big problems.
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21 whether they get solved is.another issue.
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And just how big a problem do you bring out.
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Then they would -- then'.maybe he'll 10 kind of ouckle under the pressure.
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Most of the things we've talked about today.
12 are things you learned through other people whom you've 13 identified that have told you information plus some of T
14 the stuff that you've seen yourselff 15 A.
Yes.
I mean, I've seen the people that have 16 come into the job freshi never been on site. are hired 17 to do a job, and then I have seen them -- I'mean 18 they' re out there. they're capable of doing their job, 19 and then tney. turn around and they shake their head and 20 say. "Here I'm doing my job, but they're not doing l
21 anything about it."
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So they' re complaining when they find some-23 proalemt 24 A.
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Dear Mr. Herr,
I did not think that I was nervous tonight, but I must of been because on the way home I thought of several things that we should of talked about.
First off, in the Q1 office there are three girls.
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to say.
Cyndi SMITH.is a friend and can be trusted.
l All files that are transferred to Wichita do not have a thing in them except the Letter of Transfer.
This was started after Owen THER0 left. We used to keep a copy of everything in our, files.
Mario DIAZ's concern when he left was about how when a concern was investigated if Chuck did not like the way the report read, then somebody else would get the concern to write up until it was reported like Chuck wanted. This was true. Most of the investigators, except for the loyal Bechtel people, were looking for different jobs about a week or two after they arrived. That file was closed out by transferring to Legal Department.
It was then transferred back to Ike Ike ISSINGHOFF, who was supposed to investigate without Chuck knowing. The finally told Chuck, and I never ever saw a final report on that.
reason I know it was sent back to Ike was that he told me when he received it. An then he laughingly told me I had better keep my mouth shut because at that time I was the only one that knew he had the file.
All the time he was investigating this, he kept all papers locked in his desk.
was allowed to be taped.
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The theory was that if you had to take notes you might forget something.
Ike ISSINGHOFF was supposed to handle all harassment and intimidation files.
That was what he was hired for.
I asked Chuck about a concern tnat went to court or was supposed to go to court,'but KG&E settled out of court.
How can this happen and the concern not be substantiated on the final report?
I never ever got an answer to this except one of those 15 minute run arounds.
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name was I do not know if Ike will talk to you about any of this or not.
But you can reach him at his home in Wichita.
His name is in the phone book under Linus C. ISSINGHOFF. A very nice guy, retired from the FBI.
l Another person to talk to is Chip HILL. He can tell you about a lot of things. He was one of the original investigators and l
interviewees.
He is now in Illinois.
Owen THER0 has his phone number.
i When you interview Owen, ask him to let you read the statement that Jerry NATION wrote when he left Q1.
Or as_k Cyndi SMITH to find it.
It is probably filed under KG&E QA. He knew'what was going on.
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Mark STEWART was one of the original investigators and is now working in QA.
He knows a man by the name of Rick POUNDSTONE and probably knows how to get in touch with him.
Rick was supposed to know all about Bill RUDOLPH and the kickbacks and was hopefully going to contact us when he got another job and was settled in, but we never heard.
I think he knew that if he talked, Bill would cause him to lose his job.
I do not know if Owen wants this known, but he believes and so do I that Glenn K0 ESTER is the reason that he did not get a job'in Texas.
It was the same as his until K0 ESTER talked to them down there.
Another person that might talk about what was going on out there is Frank DVDDY.
You might know where he is but I don't.
That's all for now.
Good luck and good hunting.
I am not very good at writing so I hope you can make out all of this.
If not, call me.
And I will assume I am still under oath.
Although I do not make if a practice to lie to people.
Maybe if I did, I would still be in Q1.
I really loved that job.
Mr. Herr, I want you to know you are keeping me awake.
I was just about asleep when I thought of something else. We were all at a safety meeting on a Friday when we left Steve HANS left by a different door and he noticed that half of the door was locked.
Steve came back over and told everybody that that was a safety violation and that he wanted a letter sent to the head of Safety.
Dan DANIELS drafted the letter and I typed it.
Since all mail from Q1 had to have Chuck's signature on it, I took it back for him to sign. When I left Q12 weeks later, it was still in Chuck's basket waiting for him to sign it.
I do not know whatever happened to it, but I would bet it was thrown away.
He just did not want me to know what he die with it.
For some reason be did not want me to know about a lot of things.
Bob NES told m that Chuck had asked him if I had read the whole file on Bob told him that he did not know.
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I let him now that I had when I asked him if he had heard that was being transferred.
I think that if I took 2 or 3 weeks and sat down and started writing I could come up with enough different things that happened out there to write a book.
While I think about it, when you check into kickbacks, see if Dick GRANT didn't have something to do with it.
You could always request that I could come down and help you look for some of that stuff.
At least with you behind me, I could not be fired.
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and were made KG&E about 6 weeks before I left Q1. And I did not find out until the day I left and then it was Ike that told me.
So this was something else that they did not want me to know.
I probably need the work more than Nora because she has a husband to fall back on. And I just have myself.
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Job Position Sumnary l
Per your request, a sumnary of your highest position attained while working for KG&E Quality Assurance has been outlined below:
JOB POSITION / DESCRIPTION:
Discipline Lead *(i.e., Construction, S/U, and f
Operations) j JOB TITLE:
QA Technologist III QA Technical Auditor I QA Technical Auditor II i
QA Ergineer II QA Engineer-III QA Senior Engineer i
EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:
Combined years of college training and technical experience must total at least five (5) years, b
Training and experience sufficient to meet the ANSI N45.2.23-1978/NQA-1-1979 requirements for an Audit Team Leader.
PRIMARY DUTIES:
- 1) Provides direction to other Audit Team Leaders and Auditors within each discipline.
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Hon. Dan Glickman
Dear Congressman Glickman:
s In his letter to you dated December 13, 1985, Carlton Kammerer of our Office of Congressional Affairs noted that answers from th e NRC would be forthcoming on two questions in your November 21
, 1985 letter, h, the basis upon which the Commission decided to issue the Wolf C reek operating license, as well as the process for determining which complaints at Wolf Creek to pursue and which to disregard The bases for the Commission's decision to issue a li cense were twofold.
First, the agency had finally resolved all contested adjudicatory issues prior to June 3, 1985, when the Commission autho i r zed the NRC staff to issue a full power license.
Second, the staff expended substantial resources on other uncontested safety issues
, inspecting Wolf Creek and investigating the allegations that th safety problems at the plant.
ere were significant The staff satisfied both itself and the Commission that Wolf Creek complied with all NRC requi rements, and that none of the allegations warranted denial of a full powe r license.
EncloseC is the transcript of the June 3,1985 public me ti e ng at which the staff described to the Commission its inspections and investigations, and the reasons for its conclusion th t i ssuance of a i
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your concern that the Commission might have' granted a license in 1
disregard of serious, unresolved allegations.
In fact, low power j
licensing was not' authorized until completion of a.100% reinspection of accessible, structurally significant welds. Moreover, full power licensing was not authorized until the Commission had reasonable assurance that the plant complied with all NP.C safety requirements, f
notwithstanding allegations of drug use, intimidation of inspectors.
inadequate quality assurance / quality control, and records falsification.
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This procedure conformed with the Commission's policy for handling of j
late allegations, which explains that "if the staff determines that an allegation raises a significant safety concern regarding operation of a facility or about quality assurance or control or management conduct, which brings into question the safe operation of the facility at a given stage of operation, the allegation must be addressed prior to authorizing that stage." 50 Fed. Reg. 11030(3/19/85).
I As to your second question, on the process for determining which complaints to pursue and which to disregard, the Office of Investigations complied with the above-referenced policy statement. 0I initially conducted an assessment of wrongdoing allegations and investigations completed by the Kansas Gas & Electric " Quality First" (Q-1) Team.atWolfCreek. Focusing on the documentation in the Q-1 case files, without reference to information outside those files, 01 found approximately thirty cases which appeared to have been. improperly or j
inadequately investigated or followed up by utility personnel.
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Prior to full power licensing, 01 informed the Commission of these conclusions end, as noted above, the Commission and its regulatory safety staff agreed that these preliminary results did not raise a sufficiently serious safety concern to postpone licensing.
Nevertheless, these preliminary results were considered sufficiently significant to warrant follow up. Accordingly, on July 1, 1985, the 01
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From the approximately thirty cases reviewed, ten were ch~osen as having obvious discrepancies.
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The Region IV 01 office opened these three cases as investigations.
While the 01 investigative field work has been completed, the investigation reports are currently under review by 01 Headquarters.
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INVESTIGATION STATUS RECORD INSTRUCTfoNS: This forrn 16 to be Completed whenever signifulent ectivtfy has occurred reittive to a Cole or et leeft every 30 days if no change has occurred dt+ 4 the 30 day reporting per#od, indicate "No Change" in the status block. Keep the original with the case file and send one copy to Headquarters,.
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A$$aGNEo To susatCT HERR WOLF CREEK GENERATING STATION, UNIT 1: ALLEGED-IMPROPER ACTIVITY RE: QUALITY FIRST/ QUALITY ASSURANCE STATUS
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On January 11e 1985, Region IV requested an interview of a former Kansas Gas &
Electric employee who had previously submitted a three-page statement to an NRC Region IV representative and separately, to an Office of Investigations' representative. The three-page handwritten statement in question addressed general-concerns in the area of integrity on the part of various upper management personnele and also included suspected improper activity on the part of Quality First (01)/ Quality Assurance (QA) programs.
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Janaury 31, 1985 - Investigation complete and draft Report of Inquiry submitted for typing. Anticipate completion of report during February /-
l March 19ES time frame. ECD: Unknown d
DATEj February 28, 1985 - Report of Inquiry CLOSED 2-21-85.
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