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Transcript of 870730 Meeting in Bethesda,Md Re Seabrook. Pp 1-27.Slides & Attendance Roster Encl

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NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION MEMING ON SEABROOK 3

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Thursday, July 30, 1987 7

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6 COURT REPORTER:.May I ask we do that'off the

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10 DR. MURLEY:. We have quite a number of i

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11 organizations interested in Seabrook.

This is a meeting 12 between the NRC and the licensee.

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the request of the licensee, Bill Derrickson and some;other 4

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people.

So we'are here today.

What your plans are, we will i

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respond to-them.

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restart plants, new plants, on our plate'right now.

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17 give Seabrook the same high attention that we give others in a

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the review of matters that are placed before us.

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So, Bill, if'you would like to open up, I'. guess.

I 20 MR. DERRICKSONr Thank you, Dr. Murley.-

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22 Mr. Eichorn, who will.be speaking on behalf of the joint 23 owners will be making a few remarks..

Mr. Eichorn is chairman 24 of the executive committee ' of joint' owners as well' as chief-25 executive of Northeastern Utility,Associateg.

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the Seabrook project.

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many of the owners and company owners and chairmen.

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undertaken by us has involved and will continue to involve a i

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considerable amount of time and personnel.

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21 or facilities.

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9l I believe you will agree with us that there will i-l 10 be no question in anyone's mind that the plan being submitted j i

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will be a comprehensive utility plan, that it will be ready I

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actually implemented by the utility emergency response I

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i 23 I again thank you for the opportunity to make this 24 brief opening statement and will now ask Bill to continuo.

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One little thing.

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By way of agenda, we would like l

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We would like to give an 10 overview of Seabrook emergency planning in all respects, 11 j

including New Hampshire.

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chronology of recent developments, starting in the fall of l

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focus on New Hampshire Yankee's response to order CLI 87-03 l

l and the actions we are taking to produce a utility emergency 15 16 plan for the state of Massachusetts.

17 George Thomas will now give an overview of 5

18 Seabrook emergency planning.

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with a little background and some perspective of the major i

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areas surrounding the Seabrook station.

This slide shows a 22 map of the immediate area surrounding Seabrook station.

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1 shown within dark green, part of the EPZ in Massachusetts is l

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3 With regard to Seabrook station, you can see the l

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dot, the small dot, that is about a mile inland from the l'

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It's just over two miles north of the

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7 There are 17 communities on the New Hampshire side i I

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that are participating or involved in the EPZ.

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4 11 l are in this area, but to give you an idea of the relative 12 population communities in New Hampshire, Portsmouth is i

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The closest area to Seabrook station itself 15 l that's been considered a major population area is Hampton.

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17 population of just over 13,000 people.

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21 As far as major highways go, you can see the major 22 interstates running through that area, interstate 95 is either six-or eight-lane highway running north to south.

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I With regard to the actual population distribution-1 2

within the emergency planning zone, these are the latest l

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the New Hampshire and Massachusetts side of the border.

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5 can see in New Hampshire the peak population in the summer i

6 periods is under 150,000 people; in Massachusetts, it's 7

approximately 85,000 people.

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side of the border, there have been activities ongoing for i

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Yes, I do, George.

On your first 21 slide you showed in dark green some of the towns that only i

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23 the whole towns have to have emergency plans and plans for 24 evacuation?

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Essentially everything in dark green i

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Six towns in Massachusetts, that's l

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18 10 months, because I think everything is relevant here.

I' 19 In October, 1986, we did complete the first draft 20 of a utility plan for Massachusetts.

At that same time, or 21 during that same month, we did receive from the Nuclear i

22 Regulatory Commission, a license for zero power to load fuel 23 I

and to do zero power precriticality testing.

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appeal of the zero power. license.

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is not required-for off-site zero power license.

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5 governor of Massachusetts' decision in September to not l

6 participate in emergency planning,.in" December we filed a 7

petition to reduce the emergency planning zone to one mile.

8 Shortly after the holidays in January, the Commission took a sua sponte review of ALAB 853 and. stayed 9 i I

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11 law if emergency planning was. required before the issuance of l

12 5 percent license.

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13 a partial initial decision from the Wolfe Atomic Safety and 14 Licensing Board, which had supported the NRC Staff and going

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As far as we could see by law,'off-site emergency i

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19 In April, 1987, however, the' Commission issued CLI 20 87-02, which said that we must show that emergency planning, 21 at least, is in the realm of the possible.

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22 decision, we had submitted an emergency. plan written by the 23 state of Massachusetts and our intention at that time was to 24 follow-that submittal with a compensatory plan;which would 25 show how we would make that emergency planning happen.despite ACE-FEDER AL REPORTERS, INC.

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state of Massachusetts' lack of participation.

2 However, in June of 1987 -- in April, also, we i

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zone which gave us another piece of information.

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5 Subsequently, in June, CLI 87-03 was issued, which was fairly l

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10 i When that decision was received by New Hampshire 11 Yankee, our response was what we are going to show you this 1

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Question on that first.

The first 17 draft of the utility plan in October of '86, refresh my i

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You never saw it.

It was an 19 20 interim draft that we had prepared based on the September l-21 decision of Governor Dukakis to not participate in emergency i

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That was never submitted?

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owners that the-best course for us to follow'was'to' file a 2

petition and that action was.taken'in December of 1986.

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11; in Commission' case law that a utility. plan'is one that-l 4

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That was our original intent in April to provide a 15 compensatory plan to go with the Massachusettsiplan.

1 16, Finally, an adequate filingiin this case would be 17 one intended for actual-implementation as~a utility emergency j t

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review and litigation onlthat basis.. We have read-these as i

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that we view as key to what the Commission is requiring of 2

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differences, I think we ought to know it, as well as I guess 5

you ought to know it.

But we did want to leave these with 6<

you so you will know what is in our mind.

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8 actions were to establish a project team which we will i

9 describe in detail in a moment of the -- to insure that the 10 New Hampshire and Massachusetts emergency plans are

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12 apply the lessons learned on Long Island from the Shoreham i

13 experience, and we will describe how we have done that also j

14 in a moment, to perform independent expert reviews of each 15 draft of this plan as it is developed, and that is ongoing 16 also.

We are establishing a blue ribbon oversight panel to 17 review our philosophy, our policies and the plan and~

18 procedures themselves.

We will discuss that also.

19 In this effort, as in every other effort in which 20 ;

we have been engaged at the Seabrook plant, we are committed 21,

to excellence in emergency planning.

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excellence in engineering, quality assurance, design and I

operation and maintenance.

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different from other activities in which we have been 2

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that we have undertaken is that a utility plan will have the 5I capability to compensate for Massachusetts emergency response f

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74 state plan as much as possible.

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from Long Island Lighting.

In fact, we have many of their 13 consultants working with us in the development of the plans.

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15 32, we found it necessary to establish a project team for l

16 this effort, much as we established a project team in Florida l

17 Power & Light Company for the project, for their unit 2; for 1

18 the completion of the Seabrook plant and other projects that i

19 we have been engaged in over the years.

20 j We selected a project director, George Gram, who j

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look at the boxes on this chart, for example, under 2

Massachusetts planning, we have a team member, Vince Everett, j

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responsible for those activities.

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14 building St. Lucie unit 2.

It was a matrix organization.

We 15 found that plan is very successful at getting the best of i

16 both worlds as well as having checks and balances.

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identify the resources, the overall plan and project needs.

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I would like to make that announcement, if 15 anybody has such items as caraeras and so forth, tape 16,

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Are they not allowed, is that the 19 h rule?

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Were you introduced.in the go-round?

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Just to finish up on this slide, it's 2

probably going to peak at about 69 sometime in the middle of 3

September.

I foresee this project being resolved by the end 4,

of the year and the project plan will be turned over to P

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We have had management 14 reviews, internal reviews and our expert independent 15 third-party review is completed.

All of those comments are 16 being incorporated into a fifth draft which is scheduled to 17 be completed August 3.

We have presently identified 38 18 procedures which are complete and being reviewed, our initial 19 j reviews and comments from some of those procedures have i

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problem.

The plan presently identifies 875 people required 2'

to implement the plan:

As of last Tuesday, we have 700 3

volunteers signed up.

The sources of those volunteers are 4

NHY, PSNH, YAEC, Massachusetts Electric and other joint 5

owners and private citizens.

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Our recruiting people have 10 also visited LILCO to glean lessons learned from their l

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They brought back a very good 12 I presentation program that we have brought back and adopted i

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In area of training, training modules, we 14 have identified 15 training modules that are presently under 15 development.

Our training program for volunteers begins 16 September 15.

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This represents about a third.

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10 talked about procedures, 38 are required.

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Command and control procedures, traffic l

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I 14 DR. MURLEY:

That's all.

15 MR. GRAM:

Any more questions?

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17 our emergency operations center and we presently have that 1

18 location under lease.

The major staging area to implement 19,

the plan, where everyone mobilizes to the issued equipment 20 has been located and is under lease.

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center has been identified and we are renegotiating that 23 lease and I expect that to be completed this week.

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Some of it is already on-site and being tested.

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We are negotiating right now for over 500 buses.

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I 15 This all brings us to the last slide, which is our overall 16 schedule.

17 I would like to take a second and run you through i

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19 On plants and procedures, as I originally just 20 mentioned, our fifth draft is due out the first part of 21 [

August.

During the month of August, we will be doing table L

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top drills.

Procedures in the plan themselves.

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changes into the next revision.

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first milestone flag up there, we presently plan to submit 3

the plan of procedures in mid-September.

4 Dropping down to the next line, the training, as I 5'

mentioned, we are developing training modules and that all 6!

comes together in our first functional drill which is L

7i scheduled October 21 right now.

8 The remainder of the year 1987 for training and 9

drills are taken up in continuing training and functional l

10 1 drills.

We presently planned to have our first full-size 11 integrated drill of the Massachusetts plan the end of January I

12 of '88.

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14 a FEMA-graded exercise is the end of March, 1988.

We are 15 preeently beginning talks with FEMA to pin down that actual 16 date.

i 17 In the remaining areas of recruiting resources and j 18 utilities, our present schedule has all of those completed by 19,

the middle of September.

The reason you'see those dotted 20 lines that go out to the end of November, is we have I

21 identified some leases that may not be completed at the time 3

22 l we want to submit and we have made a decision that we will b

i 23 not hold up the submittal if we just have a few number of 24 leases still under negotiations.

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out as it arrives.

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5' DR. MURLEY:

When will we be getting materials?

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Middle of September is when we plan to i

7 submit the plans and procedures to the Commission.

8 DR. MURLEY:

Okay.

9 MR. TURK:

One question I have with respect to 10 hearings, the date you submit the plan will be a trigger date 11 for Interveners to start reviewing the plan and identify i

12 contentions they have which may assert inadequacies.

If, at i

13 the end of September, you have some things that are still 14 open, you expect that, as those open items later get filled, 15 you will have subsequent contentions addressing the new 16 information.

17 MR. GRAM:

Basically, the new information would 18 only be the copies of the actual leases or letters of 19 agreement.

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identified in the plant.

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24 in that first draft or first submittal in September?

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It occurred to us, since this is 2

the first time you have seen'the schedule and where we are, 3

during the next 30 days we will be obtaining leases, Ii 4

completing the recruitment of volunteers, completing another l

51 draft of the plant itself as well as procedures.

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appropriate, in about 30 days, for us to come back down here i

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1 8i exact status of more of the details of the activities, 9

because our plan is to have a package ready to file about 10 mid-September.

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I think we would like to give you the i

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1 15 DR. MURLEY:

Yes, that's fine.

We are available 16 to review this as you prepare it.

17 Shep, did you have any more questions?

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No, i

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If there's no more questions, we would l

20 be happy to turn it back to --

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the situation which might occur, I am not sure it will, in 23 '

consulting with local authorities in terms of implementation 24,

of emergency plan?

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with the stat,e, for their review.

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Massachusetts plan as much as possible.

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guide that we send to that intersection will understand that J

15 if a policeman shows up, he will help explain to that 16 policeman exactly what the plan presently calls for, but it's,i 17 the policeman's role to take over'at that intersection.

4 18 Does that answer your question?

'q 19 DR. MURLEY:

Bill,.at some point, we have got to 20 0 get FEMA involved in reviewing'this.

Maybe'-- I: don't know r

n 21 if the next meeting is the proper time, but at some point we-l l

22 P need to' sit down and have-them hear this, also.

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I'think that's an excellent 24 idea.

I did, as a courtesy, call the local FEMA people and 25 [.

invited them to come down and listen to this today.

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I agree with you 100 3

percent as a courtesy.

4k DR. MURLEY: :We will be working with them now we

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know the general outlines of what your schedule are.so that l

6 they can schedule ~their resources as well.

7 MR. DERRICKSON:

Great.

N If there are no other questions, Ed, Brown has ccme '

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10 MR. BROWN:

We can't overemphasize that we, the 11 l joint owners and the management and staff at Seabrook, are j

i 12 fully committed to producing a utility emergency response 1.3 plan which is outstanding in both in its design and i

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execution.

l 15 In mid-September, we will be filing a plan'which 16 meets both the requirements of the NRC standards set forth in 17 the. regulations and related case law.'

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18 This submittal will be substantially complete.

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emergency plan and one intended to be subjected to Staff and f

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FEMA review and litigation on that basis.

7l Today, we focused on what we have done, what we 8'

are doing and what we intend to do to meet the standards of 9

the Commission.

We have presented an overview of emergency 10 planning at Seabrook showing populations and geographies l

11 surrounding the plant.

12 We have discussed our management approach for l

13 developing our utility plan, and this has improved such l

14 matters as philosophy, organization, recruiting, et cetera.

15 We have given you information describing what we 16 are going to do and how we are going to do it.

What we would 17 like from the NRC is feedback.

We need to know if you have l

l 18 any specific problems with what you have seen or heard 19 today.

l 20 We recognize that the NRC does not see utility 21 plans frequently.

We also want, then, in fact, need your 4

22 9 assurance, that sufficient resources will be committed to our 23 submittal in mid-September to bring about an expeditious

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that review along, and we thank you for your attention.

2 DR. MURLEY:

Thank you for coming down, Ed and 3

John, and telling us what your plans are.

As you know, we, 4

in the Staff here, have a lot of expertise in the details of 5

emergency planning, off-site as well as on-site.

From that 6

point of view, the elements of your plan look like they cover r

7 the same things in terms of moving people, relocation 8

centers, that sort of thing.

This is just a superficial 9

look, of course.

10 With regard to the fact that this is a utility 11 plan for a different state than the plan is in, we are i

12 entering new territory, to some extent.

So we are taking our 13 guidance in this area from the Commission as well as you 14 are.

So I really can't comment on the procedures or that 15 sort of thing.

It looks like you have been responsive to the 16 Commission's orders, and that's about as much as I can say 17 right now.

18 So we will, as I said, commence our plans for our l

19 review.

We will be in touch with FEMA, and we will plan on 20 '

perhaps a month or month and a half from now, hearing from J

21 you again when your plans get more firm.

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We have the same problem.

2 DR. MURLEY:

I just asked Victor if he had 3

anything to add.

4 MR. NERSES:

Our important thing is the key is 5

mid-September, then we have to do.something with FEMA and o

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learning and down the road.

That's the plan, in my mind, the 7 ;-

point.

8 DR. MURLEY:

If there are no more thoughts from l

9 the Staff.

Thank you, that terminates the meeting.

10 MR. NERSES:

I am sorry, I did have something, if 11 I could ask, I kept thinking, I did run it through.

I did 12 send an attendance sheet around.

I don't know that everybody 1 4

i 13 signed it.

If there is somebody that has to sign it?

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I am making copies of it.

If somebody 15 wants to wait around, I assume we will give you copies of the

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i 17 DR. MURLEY:

Also, if anyone wants the transcript, i

18 Victor will have it.

19 MR. NERSES:

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If somebody wants it, we will have it for i

21 dispatch.

22 (Whereupon, at 10:25 a.m.,

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NAME OF PROCEEDING:

MEETING ON SEABROOK DOCKET NO.:

50-443 PLACE:

BETHESDA, MARYLAND DAT8:

THURSDAY, JULY 30, 1987 d

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New Hampshire resident 91,601 resident & transient 142,569 Massachusetts resident 50,593 resident & transient 85,723

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RECENT HISTORY OCT 1986 First Draft of Utility Plan for Mass. completed License issued to load fuel and perform precriticality testing ( 0% power license)

NOV 1986 ASLAB denied Mass AG's appeal of 0% power license ( ALAB - 853)

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Utility plan will have the Capability to Compensate for Massachusetts Emergency Response Functions e

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e Visited LILCO for Lessons Learned on Recruiting j

e Training Modules Presently Under Development e

Training Begins on Sept.15 i

Facilities & Equipment FACILITIES O

Emergency Operations Center-Located and Under Lease e

Staging Area-Located and Und6r Lease e

1st Reception Area-Located and Under Lease e

2nd Reception Area-Located and Negotiating Lease e

Transfer Points-Located and Being Evaluated e

Congregate Care Centers-20 % Located and in Negotiations EQUIPMENT e

Communications Equipment Ordered e

Monitoring Trailers Ordered e

Buses e

Ambulances Numbers Required have been identified e

Snow Plows Presently Negotiating Leases, e

Tow Trucks (Prepared to Purchase if Necessary) e Fuel Suppliess

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