ML20136H440

Intervenor Exhibit I-TMIA-12,consisting of 790412 marked-up Transcript of B Long Conversation W/D Dubiel,J Hilbish & G Miller Re 790328 TMI-2 Event

ML20136H440
Person / Time
Site:	Three Mile Island
Issue date:	11/19/1984
From:	GENERAL PUBLIC UTILITIES CORP.
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SP-I-TMIA-012, SP-I-TMIA-12, NUDOCS 8508200318
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Ie morning that it started on March 28th, ' -c 2: 'r .~.T1.1.--

__--'- - " > E fin.  : .. . . e c .s a .5,. ...d .g I was called abeue 4: 30 at hc=e, L-

old to come in, did no: know or have any indication of what the preble vasj e:her A

as th n we had turbine and reactor trip in Unit 2. I i=ediately get,up, get dressed, ,

s erme in - it tock me about a half an hour, so somewhere around 5 c'cleci. I ca e in --

Nder vcnc :o the control rec = in 1* nit 2 and was told by George Mr :ht: zka we had unusual cecurrences in the reactor bidp.* he really did not descr'ia Oc =a an. cetails 1

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ther than he was very in:eres:ed in get:ing a reacter b1dg. ste sphere sa pic andA raie-* ./

reparatiens for a reacter bid

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o get a sa:ple of of H;?. 27, which is the reacter bids. a:=osphere ==nt:cr. @ as  :

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.c the iodine :.cnitor holding a charcea*. car:rg ge, a larre amount cf water care cu:. I i=ediately closed it back up jand wie the a-m.: :f mtu in there, ey first thcught va's that we had sore type of a stes . environ =tet in the sone - e~A tS 2 recctor b1dg. ateor;here causing"se condensation in the sa ple lines oe n ater 1 .ghe d -  :

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- he' told me at the time that we vere run. int, in o r:51cn:

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with the boron san;1e. They had run a beren anc'. they ca~e ou: vi h a nucher of st:ut.

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700 p;r, he vanted ce to check : hat because ue ".. . . J'. . - .. runnir.;

cbout 1050 t! '*'while :he plan: was cri:ical or at power fus: pric: :c the tri;,w-d .;. hey -

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wanted te verify thst-se-we-hed what our boron contant var se I tr:edia:ely van: over ti .

to our Unit i HP lab.*

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engle,c-d ha s;id wee pr0:ty etnfidant cbtut tho 700 numbar) but since he had hocn ed was a little bit tire .he though: =aybe he did screv up, cn from 11-7 that nightj

, pere h,e vanced to have someone else verify it so I grabbed a second tech and I asked cO h of them to run a saeple; take one sample, split it and each of the: run the analysis.

Th:y did that, they get about 400 ppm each, I think they were abou: 5 ;; cff en the :v:

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ice ce these :hings is always C.  : kncu y:e can*: hel; it

.but a guy like me, I a.1vays ret nailed for these interviews en a da/ cen !'m being sh ved around and then s::ebcdy =akes s 1.uctinE tape .ind I re ter see it.

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., #3: Okay and I'= just telling ycu I'm renna go.t to the p=in: where I'c g:nna s::;

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4: Ok you can just ref*ect tha: r1. F : cff the line.

Se:::f :hing, is r::a':ct te:ter --

epe:he maybe they have. -- be :pu: err.petner t5e decurentation that ex:.s:s for the n::tf,'ca:ict.s

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.' #4: 1 put that tcEether Long:

That's what I really need.

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If all we're gonna have is we're genna get killed tha: da: hour by hcur : had e:

many idekin) people on the phone vich ne looking for me was in the I.:. Gev's..; ,q .., ,

il Long: I know. .,

f3: And I kncv 6 rer.:hr fror new in s:ee coc1 hear'in,. re-- ::'s penna sem .! *.f ke I i ' =

lty, a didn;l: knov vhat ; did 4:.d I kr.n der ':,-'and yet I } rev 1 :: r.* : ru. the :$.iat off :he 1

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-::gother, . for us b.eccusa that chrenclogy that y:u've leeko?. at is really talking a'::ut the I

15 r:petorland Dieckamp and Arnold and Herbein are saying, " Hey, we're ge::inc pressured

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about 'Did we notify people?' 'Rev do ve nake a decision?'"

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! f3: Will .)guys like me end get copies of some of the-eeaff-we this kind ef stuff I

' is your making out now?

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i- ;V t t (33 Are[you sure Herman'a gonna give it to us.

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(13 : Wi thout that, I'm Eenna eake an issue cf it. Jesus Chr.ist! You St v, it's the 1

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enly thiny I got' :o f antliari:e ryself eith * ".s kirt of -htnr.

isng: F re,'s the status of this thin; here: .*e s:ar: a reviev vith :.a 't?'s and Eerman laa; night; they said, " Hey, ycu get s: s cen,'se ures in there.' %'e'rc :: 56 s,. ,-

,s have to) }ut they said, "Take that cu: and en'y give us : uff : hat yeu :t actua*1v .

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inferre af:erncen and then it's :: ::

!".:and wher. We're to have that t.o ther temerret*

L en the street as socn as as they've said OK. And ths:'s what we're v::hing tevard.

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and noti.51ve it te anybody un:11 va ge: their ap;reval.

r3: I just talked to the KS.C yes:ctday and,::f ay. . .

Like I; :ake y:u frer

/3: Why l don't you let me give you cy versten cf 1: in star,es?

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4 to 8 andi l von' t go thru the de: ails of the trip but I'll tell you whers 1 was trc=

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4 to 5 apd.- let the fill in tili ! c' clock ar.i then go f rom 6

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Lonst OK, but rer. ember I'm only trying to f e:us e -- I t'hin*x-it. vil; save all your .

,tiri - ch the decision to initiate site ererrency, :he decisioni:e in:: tate Fanera'. .

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cmargency, wh'at you based those on, when you did I.ar as well as. vs-cur. ittntify that ,

Q who did hm, who called vhor, I .

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! I had' called at quarter to six in the morning and had been told that Unit 2 had tripped). Ah, I'm the Unit i superintendent and f rankly, just 'the f act r

l that they hd tripped 6t vas not a totally unusually sort of thing. Gary p.

said thatj diey were having sor.e sor: of a problem vi:h press.trizer level so e.. . . .

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,,It* didn' t Ma.k e ~.it sound like iv-shat at: ::bTt poin there ves'no'~real cause ic for an abaop.a1 ancunt of alar =, but he did say, "h n't r,1ve 1* nit 2 any

). Uni: 1 was ho: at tha: :ize, and we were rscoverint troub:saboutthestea=!).

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fro: a refu,eline outape and the emoric $ oiler can :niv supp:.y feedvater t ..

1 i=adta ely g:: on the phone heating t6 one of the two units at a time.

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end thought-lvall we have a shif t supervisee in bo:h units due .to-this cir, A ...,

cuma:ancegao I'll'c'all the shif t supervis:r and :sil hi- tha:, " Hey, don't

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j give Unit 2*jh:ptrouble;thesteamgoestoUnit1." I tried to cal

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he was in the ':nt: 2 con r:1 room. I though: Oh, ve!.. he's over there

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and I can 't:. reach him and I'= not gonna bo:her th:- in :he::.ddle of this

. E thingifkh!.a'yrehaving;:e'riers. So 7 vatthd 1* -ore minu:e's and ; knev i , ,t. : '

my superviser cf cpera:1 cts would be in about tha: ties and I tried to call h*

s again. And..t).ey said, " Yeah, he's in, but he's over in Unt: 2." And I th,b,t

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i "Oh, ny pesh; you-knowc.-oo they really do have sene problems." Is.ss I the't

• • fell', I'd better go in and make sure that nobody gives Uni: 2 anW trouble

.o. .g about ge::ing staars. That usukd was my objective as.1 star:ed out and 1 g::

on site at a quarter to seven in the perning and e s.1-ver.t freethe..Is*

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passed be :ves the security bids and the front do:r hero in '.'t.it 1, the vira:

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T r:memb0r, I a gd my stuf ff eff ct my Sf fice\ .d th;n I secreed runninc the l .

I oth r way, not b::auso Il, vent:d t$ run tha eth:r way, but b:ccuso I fers t to l I

pick up =y TLD and I knav-I was sonna be wherever I was gonna be a long time, I

So I figured I'd better h, ave n/ TLD with me so I want back to the security centeG

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,i and go: =y TLD ran to the Uni: 1 control ron=, which is where I'm supposed e

to be. And also ! had seen Jce Logan's car in the parking lot -- he's the a ..ta .

1. I knew the problec/'vich the Unit 2 i e

Unit 2 superintendent - jtdoIfigured:

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problen-because-it :.:as heving a 1robler., and 2. I knee that the opposite e

ft unit su;erintendent was nuppesed to take charre in his respective ec. trol bv .

t ven: :: the U:itz. I centrol roc: ar.4 fro: :5:e uni: & con:rci rom:

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l' s:arted :: try -- and heres where it's fogry in ter:s of wha: we :ried to

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! t i do nov, but we pu*.* ed cut the e-crgency plan, I rarerber : hat, s:c.rted to 3

. l'S follov :he evergen:7 plan' - and started to try to do se e of the of f-site r

ce== uni sting and here's v .re f t get' fcgg.* as te whether we were d:ing tha:

-3 cr whef.er Uni: : vas t::al.ly doing that. In additt:r. :: that, we troke out

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all the iseple:hs and the ya,res : apr* and started tryinr. :: trackthefuraas bes: we ::uld and estat*.: s,$the ne:essary cer. unt:a: tens with uni: O per the 7( L.i y plan. *::v, that happened ;[n reta:1vely ra;14 fashipn and we were pre::y/se:

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up and-ro114nt viu r'es;ect- :: that by, ah, vell, we vere se: up and reiling i

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h Sielinger;I was in sinit 1.  ! der.': k*r7:V vhat ties it was when I get to unit 2 centrol

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,M: I calle? you over there.

Siel.: Ycu ca'.* *d re over there.

',' .  ::.'16d a: quarter 911] sever., I had t,een on the ;'r.ese since 4 o' clock; 7.vt.s t.r;.:sef t: r: ::. ' e r r t r .* ? . to . . 'eahr-4chn... 5:

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451 You want me to ceu'up there ahead of tim.e.

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5:ilinger:At any rate, I was in the dnit 1. control foc= about betvcer. a half h ur and 45

r. . :. . n }n minutes and Cary7 calls'me over to Unit 2 .p'I alternated between tha two control

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rot,as the remainder cf the day. The rea shforthatwasperiodically1wasin ~

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• charge of the emerger.cy ce;ntrsi staticrgtheEOS;thefirs: day and when'dnit .

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t '** e became unhabitable and plots ::ved over tg':,us.it 2 and then they r.ovc, the:

4 back to unit I when i becare habitable spain; it was a matter of habitability m

( f a.,u.c a , i that first day. ;This is very :enfused a,slitheeventsranc:getherscrething i1*-

dierca et: revise, but i dc re:6eber that i.r'$.. er.Jed up euca: ng the n:r .a1 ICS

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which was the HI peint. That want to tiie6u'ntt 1 contrei re :. Unit 1 ccatrol L.'t. ' e ,. + s v-

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roo- had to be evaeusta.'. as an IOS becsuper. ever/ h od; vas c:.. auld over .here fri l 0.5. s . Eventua ny we got i

a while. Then that reved over to the unit.fi contrcl race.

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, Salinger I- u~as going to beccusa it's abeu: t1}e ck1h,,' thiry, factua* I . sad.

George Kunder was in the Unit 1 control r, eor and George ir prehably f the cn B. . z? ....

Peopic that, in my nind I think you ought .trbe talking to stva you a f ee.1 for w

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some of tae scaneri , but these are the c *.Is that Genrte 1.:/ ::.de. Yeu'11 '

psint c.f find thst almost a*.* cf these went. frcr; the site ernergenc: *,ust 1: mediate

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~rQingert You ca.'. lad me at quarter to six. .  ;%

P A t L.c'C.i.s '1 5 a' I called Joe'and Dar. Shovelin and I told them to gia[.thetr.asr in herE. all

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# . iz r.ust have been on the way,Ifsn was on the way,*ian got hare before; I did, g >

-I-never got a chance to get a shower is: the ressen 'wssnt able to get in the

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.cer.' T didn't res117 realize the. msCnitude of it pwss just rrying to feel

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dihe a normal person and start to.wc;h. , quarter et1* 7 Dan ca*. led na and Dan's

. i.gi-not an operator. Dan ssid, " Hey, there's radiatiog., Ee sa.d the sa:ple ro::s

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ge: it. We got one in the machine shop. Mc dght have said het rachine 3

shop. I1thar way it's nzt sor.eyitc= ! didn't expec.f,o'ne R/ then 1 starte.1

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O gettir.r my.. ass ire-gear to to to work. By the ti::c,1:get here it was probably

ef Iib areund 5 attar. 7 roughly. 'then I got here they 5'nt.s'. ready declared a site Q$ .

energen:y and at ths.t ;cint in the Unit 1 cer.dtrol; V6o I th:.ek titlinger em 1.r -

arrives and he was falping with that e,nd of it and ria'the unit 2 cor.tri roe:

M there was Joe Logan, Dick T.;ubiel, ike Ross , Cecrgai.K..under, tnd

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lfP cape .in-or ha vas. chete. e i D c .sw ;W z.r. _ n g t Excuse me, guyf would Kunder have teen the senior saq!

technical , jib 5:y He'sthe{ superintendent. 'W q.n

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d elinser-I talked to George on the Thenc and I suspect that,Cecrr,e is the one who initir.1 To.e

.a I belit.ve ' Bill ErXI4 declared it. And I believe Bill Iewe declared it or had i

George declare it on the b.ssis o' a number of nenient s ar.d s

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eemory is that crsund 7:20 or 7:25 v2 p=ccd thru 0 and I deciprod a*Cenar01 2 V >

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And at- the; tite that I got to the control room "a .ind-I Q. ,

emergency. ot, briefed and-4--got the control room and-what-.I-dWas I said , 'All right, I'm

.. py-I'r. the emergen:y director." I :said, " Mike hoss, in charge of the energency. .iv - --

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g .q you'll :ake care of the plant ;cnd I'll only talk to you aboutf.the n

plant. Dick k:

i Dubiel, fou. rung :ha of f-si:e and on-site :hing, the in:erfac egvichtheStae,

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and so forth, .ond cor=:unica:e with me." I :cid Joe Lcgan to tst the. plan:' cut.

w-s I told r corge Kunder to start :ht notifica:1:r.s as I rare =ber ;;{c.t :c get the:

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I tarted. Pf ght away, th'a I rur the drill hers, I talk :: 2twp :se .ier guys

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,which is the way I run the driM ar.d I caly talk :c the:. The opera t;rs c probably

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body was called.  ;;g h&.

3 .Tet Just se it gets on the rape, you know. Maybe we should just ,r$dthishere.

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gm Fcr the cape, and th'is is re: nstructed and frc= the *.:gs .se t.h g.:ys whc did f i 3 ..

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Jim- It's still on the board when they called them in and these guys i reconstructed A M '. < ' *

• this essential:.y fron chom betveen looking at the boarf of :he ti=es the notif6 cations .:are r.ade and these ruys being the guys that tid the,ca :.lir.g, rataarters P.* t '-a

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Leng: Excusa r.3, could I occp y u just c c: plo of plccas. .

Jim: yha vould hcve been King of Prussic, I'm sure.

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Jir: 0705.hotify Herbein, unable to contact him; 0700, Erder-Rapp tean notified;{

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defense; 9.2i; appronisately 071!, n::ified PA Bureau of Heal:t; O![7, ' fork k:[

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p y # important; 0738, recal!.cd F.adia::.on'.~crp. at Phila Elec, to : ell : hem the gent::0

.w f f energency, fotvard. nessage; a:pr:x. ~740, URC re u:ned call, the; will be dis-patching a team to the site, :ht pi..r.e was held open se they could be in s t i c:nstant coer.unication with us : app x. 0930, /." returned phone :all and ver -

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- mu; at .t d 4, q setor havin halsy w:s chiled c( this 'wds se varity witn Civil D2fsnoo; 0704, Civil Dafcnso celled 3RR, I vgrifitd this with ERM with Mr. Gehris today. 0707, Met-Id assin called Civil Defense. Or., the reason that happened that many times, I couldn't get anybody to tell me they had G L KudQef'

. . - . '... :. .., pe:sonally talked to Kevin V. alloy and I even an - ,ri = call him at home.

At 07C7 is when you told me that we had not gotten a call bac' from ETE and 3

I Set on the phone and called Kevin W. alloy, I personally talked to him in 7 .

the Civil Defense office, told hir. get. sore (p4'y from the BRE cn the phone back to us, gave the= the te* cphona number, the 6017 number. Within 10 ni .2.cs there was_1 phor.e :t:1 hach and fron that point on ve established

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07!0 the EFli ca*1ed back ar.d Geerce was on the p' hone with Jerusky. A$d Gacrge gave hin a run devr. of the plant .atacus and we kept the open line just like you I

,p requested, Dick.

. Dick Right. Uov I got the helicopter because the vind was blowing at its worst h E yE, condition,to.ee like 2 mi. heur#$ess ind that meant it would reach "cidsboro r.*

and if we hs.d z the 10 .. pr:jection that had first been given to ne which is based on a source term out of .taa h,1ds, out of the monitor of the b_dg that I I was'in truble. So va sent the helicopter, tho'eeter was read, and we had nothing. The helicopeter was over there and I don't know why it's not on there. h'e our,ht to make sure that the lor,s of these state agenzies are a rpart i

of this docueenta: ion 'cause they've pot to show what I did. I don't know i

what hed been done yet,. but thus these guys all heep logs, the Civil Defense I keeps *.sgs, the State Polica keeps legs, and they do it nor= ally and they do

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.-Dick: Had a tea = dispatched in a car, had a tean dispatchel,in a holipopcor in tha M.

direction of the flu =e.

hh The car vould take approxina:ely andhour to get over there with morting traffic.

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Jim: De ve kn:v vherc .. . cnd =aybe , you do, Nick, ani ! den' t ... vc had the phe e talkers cnd I cen:inusily renanber the: in the firs: ceu :* e days; tryinr, c ;;e .

l the ph:ne talkers :: vri:e de n absolu:en ever-thin; the - heard because...

D.ick : Ivit And I d:n' t Enc.v vha: '.cypene:8 to Don Berry's log.

? ? ?.pa ry- The one .i.in: : ::n say thert was c bex in the cer rel tren pet on :he floer that all icgs and everythin: vent into it and I br.re a f eeling th that's whers

%i,N the phene talkers logs an3 every:hing else prcbct'.y ended :p in there.

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Long: And then those have been transferred over to trailer "f. c: the obserratica center and put in the safe an' we'll go thru them.

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d s hov you're -:alking about all this occurrini in tho' tire fra= vlien I tot I here until a quar:cr-:11 .>ight. Mzet uas actifie:* cnd a*.so what I had done y .

f around thn: sane ine nas!! either had Lagan scint thru t'..e  % ank tellint ne l-that everything in th";.lar. < 4a te. 4..;

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