IR 05000546/1979008

Forwards IE Investigation Repts 50-546/79-08 & 50-547/79-08 Re Allegations of Improper Repair of safety-related Concrete Structures.Investigation Appears to Indicate Contractor Mgt Personnel Were Knowledgeable of Improprieties

ML20126M336
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Site:	Marble Hill
Issue date:	08/09/1979
From:	Norelius C NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION III)
To:	Gower G NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE)
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As discussed with you, att ached is IE Investication PTeport tbs. S'J-546/70-CE

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The report has not been sent to the licensee as of this date, but likely will be sent within the next day or two. The report is being provided to you for referral to OIA for their coordination with the Departeent of

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This refers to the investigation conducted by Messrs. J. E. Foster, F. C. Hawkins, C. C. k'illia:s, J. Hughes, and E. E. 5:bveibinz of this of fice on June 22, 25-29, July 7, 11-13, 17-20, 1979, of activities at'*

the Marble Hill construction site, authorized by FF,C Construction Pert::its No. CPFP,-170 and No. CPFR-171, and to the discussion of our findings with a cecbers of your staff.

The investigation concerned allegations of icproper repair and concealoent of boneyce: bed concrete areas at the Marble Hill site.

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k'ithin these areas, the investigation consisted of a selective exa inaticr. of procedures and representative records, observstions, at;d interviews vitb present and forcer site personnel.

The enclosed investigation report decs not i dentify ar ite=s of Such ite=s identified during a concurrent inspection of noncocpliance.

be technical aspects of the safety-related concrete repair problems vilA set forth in subsequent inspection reports.

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In accordance with Section 2.790 of the NF.C's "Eules of Practice," Part 2, Title 10, Code of Federal Kegulations, a copy of this letter and the enclosed investigation report vill be placed it, the M.0's Public Docus.ent Room, except as follows. * If this report contains infor:stion that you or apply in writing to your contractors believe to be proprietary, you cust this office, within twenty days of your receipt of this letter, to withbold such inforcation from public disclosure.

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full staterent of the reasons f or vbich the infor:3 tion is considered Proprietary, and should be prepared so that prepric t z ry infor=ation

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s On June 12, 1979, Mr. Tho:as M. Datillo, the attorney representing Save The Valley, an'intervenor group, wrote to Mr. Harold Denton, Director of ~

the Office of Nucicar Reactor Regulation, requesting a balt in concrete place:ent, testing of cencrete in place, and a review of quality centrol records pertaining to concrete at the, Marble l!i,11 site. Attacted to the Ictter was a tventy-three page svoro state =ent from Mr. Charles Edvard Cutstall, a forcer concrete finisber's helper at the site. Tbe state =ent alleged icproper repairs of boneyco bed areas in safety-related concrete.

Also en June 12, 1979, during an interview of PSI personnel by a Louisville TV station, one page of the aforecentioned twenty-three page statement vts given to PSI officials, and they were asted to co: cent on the statecent.,

This was the first tice the statt ent had been cade public.

Public Service of Indiana (PSI) notified NRC Region III (RIII) at approxi-cately 3 p.e. on June 12, 1979, that they bad been provided with.tbe one page of the Cutsball statecent. Oc June 13, 1979, PSI transeitted a ecpy of the co:plete state:ent vbich they bad obtained.

On the basis of the inforcation contained in the statement., an NRC investigation was initia.ted into the catter.

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SL" ARY OF FACTS Two NEC inspections of concrete activity at the Marble Hill site, conducted prior to receipt of the allegations, indicated proble=s with placement and repair of concrete at the construction site.

A:ong proble:s identified was the icproper repair of toneyco:.b areas (see IE Inspection Reports No.

50-5!.6/79-03, and 50-546/79-04). A canage=ent eeeting with PSI was held on May 15, 1979, to discuss these findings.

Following receipt of the state =ent of Mr. Charles Edvard Cutstall, RIII persennel attecpted to ce: tact bie to discuss the state =ent and gather additional details regarding the irsproperly repaired areas and coccerning people vbo vould be knowledgable of the cet. bod of repair of these areas.

Initially, RIII personnel vere unabic to contact Mr. Cutshall direct _1y.

On June 21, 1979, PSI indicated that they bad cade an investigation on their own to deter =ine vtether any concrete patches in the plant had been icproperly made, using a sounding cethod.

They aavised that their review indicated numerous deficient patches, including sore patches ca:!e over boneyco: bed areas.

Honeyco:b is described as a void (rock pocket) in concrete left due to the failure of the cortar to effectively fill the spaces aceng coarse aggregate. Proper repair of such bencyce: bed areas involves the recoval of all boneyco b or other unsound caterini, and

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perforcing a, concrete patch by a correct procedure, utilizing appropriate nterial.

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c3de in bis tventy-three page affidavit and attecpted to describe sore of the locations vbere be believed that improperly repaired concrete existed in the Marble Hill plant.

Due to the cceplexity of the plant, no exact locations c.ould be obtained by tele; bene.

Mr. Cutchall indicated that a number of icyroper repairs of concrete boneycombed areas had been cade at

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the direction of the finisber superintendent.

EIII personnel then attecpted to review the areas described by Mr. Cutsball, and identified several patches vbich bad already been inspected by the licensee at each area.

Eevever, it was not possible to detereine that these were the patches described by Mr. Cutsball.

It was concluded that an adequate review of the areas described could not be cade without

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On June 26, 1979, the EIII Director and staf f cet with PSI officials at the Marble Hill site, and discussed the findings of the investigation at Due to concerns expressed by the RIII staff and the fact that point.

that deficient repairs in concrete areas had been identified, KkC repre-sentatives requested that PSI stop safety-related concrete work, perform ocn-destructive examinatic.n of varicus concrete structures, identify and evaluate repaired areas for their adequacy, and review their entire PSI officials coc=itted to protrac for concrete activities onsite.

perfcre these actions.

On July 1,1979, direct contact was cade with Mr. Charles Edward Cutsball.

On July 7, 19 9 Mr. Cutshall was brought to the Marble liill site to tour the plant, accccpanied by RIII personnel.

During this tcur be pointed out 19 separate areas vbere he Felieved that icprcper concrete repairs bad been cade, and the locations of these areas were noted by RIII personnel.

He again repeated bis understandicg that the finisber superintendent had crdered se e coscetic repairs to icprcperly consolidated areas so that PSI and the NRC inspectors vould not be aware of them.

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During the intervievs, one finisber erpressed a strcr.; opinion that the individuals vbo had cade state:ents had der.e so d.:e te rersonal grudges A portien of this interview vas against the Tinisber Superintendent.

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Sargent and Lundy is'the_ Architect Engineering Co:pany for the Plant. The f acility is desigcied to,

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If the area was patched without (NCR) was to classed as a cajor boneyco b, a nonconforcance report be generated, followed by PSI quality control inspection of the The resulting noncon-final condition ~of the area before patching.

forcance report vould be processed in the nor:31 canner, including a Such concon-review by the Architect-Ecgineering firm for the plant.

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identified and located, can be repaired or evaluated through engineering analysis to detercine if the structure in ubich they are located has been significantly weabened.

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Reciept of A11erations On June 12, i979, at approxicately 3:15 p.m., RIII was notified by PSI of ficials that during an "on cacera" interview by a Louisville one page of a twenty-three TV statien, a PSI official was given page sworn state:ent and asked if the allegatica contained in the The page shown to the PSI individtol indicated statecent was true.

that improper and cosmetic repairs had been cade to boneyco=b areas j

PSI advised they did not have the entire statement, in the plant.

but were trying to obtain a copy.

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On July 13, 1979, RIII a barely readable telecopy of the svorn statecent esde by j

Charles Edvard Cutsball. RIII personnel requested a clear copy.

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On June 15, 1979, Mr. Tbc as Datillo called RIII He and advised that be was acting as attorney for Mr. Cutsball.

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During the period of June 18 through 20, several telephone calls vere cade to Mr. Datillo and to PSI, in an attempt to cake arrange-cents for Mr. Charles Cutsball to visit the site acconpanied by RIII This attecpt to arrange a site visit was cc: plicated by personnel.

Mr. Datillo's position that Mr. Cutsball should be acco= pani'ed by No direct bi=self and by an engineer selected by Save the Valley.

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On June 22, 1979, RIII representatives visited the Marble Hill site, j

beld discussions with licensee and contractor personnel, and inspected areas ubich had been reviewed by the licensee and his contractors.

During this review it was noted that at least five areas bad been found vbere coscetic repairs had been cade over obviously boney-cocbed areas in tbc cocerete surfaces (unsound caterial bad not been recoved).

The licensee advised that Newberg had been given a Stop Vork Order probibiting thes frcs placing any further concrete patches

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Ec tried to describe the exact lor.u:n cf a number of surfaces.

Due to the these patches to RJII personnel, with little surcess.

co:plexity of the plant and the relatively stall size of the patches

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Contact Vith Forrer Finisher Fore:an Mr. Jack Ratkovski of PSI advised that be had On June 26, 1979, partic.,.ated the previous day in a call-in style radio show, and during this program an individual had called in ar.3 discussed concerns He indicate d thet this individual relative to the Marble Hill site..

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bad left his name and recuested so:eone frc:

On the evening of June 26, 1979, the RIII investigater contacted t! 's i::dividual, Individual

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Individual "A" stated that te was However, not the individual vbo bad centacted the radio talk shev.

he indicated that be had been forecan of a finisher crew at the Marble Hill site, and sc:e of the allegaticos cade by Charles Cutsball vere true, although Charles Cutstall had cct vorhed on the contain-Individual "A" stated that the pinishee Superin-cent building.

tendent for Newberg bad told finisbers not to talk to the KRC and to busy themselves dcing some ether task if a p5I individual happened to come by vbile they were perforcing an ir. proper patch.

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Arrange =ents were cade to transport bi= to the site.

On July 7,1979 Mr. Cutsball, acco:pacied by three NRC personnel,

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areas vbere be believed that icproper concrete pstebes bad been placed, and the exact locatiocs of these patches were noted"during Mr. Cutsball also point ed out several areas vbere be the site tour.

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of construction at that point.

Mr. Cutsball indicated Lbat several patches ubich be bad pointed out had been cade under the direct erders of the Newberg concrete Finisber Superintendent.

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On July 7 and July 8, 1979, Mr. Tho:as Datilic cbtained state:ents by three other individuals - Mr. Je-el Eogers, a forcer finisber's helper; Mr. Michael L.

Valtson, a forcer co: crete ficisber; and ccr.c rcte finis her.

These sworn Mr. Stanley J. Mortensen, a forect statements vere subsequently provided to EllI personnel on July 29, Copies of these statecents are attached as Exhibits II, III, 1979.

and IV.

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Site Review and Investiration On July 11 through '.ly 13, Region III personcel visited the Marble Hill site, interviewed licensee and contractor perscr.rel, and reviewed Contractor personnel advised that the first structural site documents.

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a structural concern but pertained only to such patches were not pracedure bad been fire protecticn.

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building, vbere the cajority of deficient patcbes has been?,unc'oyered.

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back, and reveals core than half of a reinforcement bar, theTproc.edure

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and generation of a nonconfomance report docucenting the situation'.

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people in the placement crews vbo had been responsible for'icproper He stated be felt that the vibration of concrete during place:ent.

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Loovledge of either PSI canage:ent, Newberg QC, or Sevberg supervision.

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On July 12, 1979, Individual "F", Tore:1n for one of the two present finisber crevs, was interviewed.

Individual "F" stated that if a boneyeccbed area was not tagged with a quality control tag, the

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cajority of patches, and that there was a problem getting qualified vorkers on the site.

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"F" would not name the individual vbo bad given these orders, but indicated this individual was no longer on site and that the orders had come from "high up in Newberg".

Individual "F" indicated that cost of his inforcation has hearsay, and declined further elaboration.

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Interviev Vith Mr. Sterban Gayso Mr. Stephan Gayso, Seperintendent for the Finisbers, vas intervieved en July 12, 1979.

Ee stated that be bad cet ordered acy persennel to have the crews patch areas vbere boneycemb bad not been recoved He indicated that on occasion, such as back to solid surfaces.

during incle:ent weather, he bad ordered the forecen to take their he stated that these instructions had not crews and patch areas.

ceant for craf tscen to patch beneyco bed areas ubich bad not been Mr. Gayso stated that neither Newberg quality properly repaired.

control nor PSI personnel vould approve of patcbing of areas vbere beneyec=b was not recoved, if they were knevleogeable of such an

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He indicated that Mr. Gayso had been hard on verkers vbo bad not He done their share of the work, and had fired a nucher of vorkers.

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be believed there vere icproper patches and discussed with RIII personnel his concern relative to a concrete expansion joint on the exterior of containcent building No.1.

In addition, several proble=s On the evening of pertaining to union catters were discussed.

July 19, 1979, RIII personnel acco:panied Mr. Mortensen to the Marble liill construction site.

Mr. Mortensen and the RIII personnel i

toured the Unit 1 contaittent building and located the expansion joint (vbich was cer,tioned in his state:ent) on the outside vall.

The drawings for the expansion joint had been procured by RIII j

personnel earlier in the day and had indicated no problets in this Mr. Mortensen was not atic to describe the exact particular area.

condition that be felt had occurred there, and this situation is still under review.

It was noted that the joint was a non safety-related ite itself.

Mr. Mortenscu directed RIII personnel to an area in the auxiliary building vall, against the turbine building, and took thec directly to a reall patch near the floor level vbich he indicated bad been itproperly cade, as the boneycomb caterial bad not been fully removed.

He stated that be bad been personally ordered by Mr. Stephan Gayso to patch this area before all the unsound caterial had been recoved.

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Individual "G" provided tailing with an NRC inspector in March 1979.

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Individual "K" provided RIII personnel with a signed statement concerning this interview vbich attached as Exhibit X.

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be had never been personally' ordered to repair such area coscetically."

He said the majority of the workmen at the site had never worked at a nuclear power plant before and eight well have cade cessetic patches on boneyco bed areas without realizing that this was contrary to the quality control procedures for nuclear power plants.

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. .... ? '.r, 7 g :,- '; - , -. . ..,., . :.+ ' . . July 18, 1979 r:. - . g.. ;.... . . ,.. ... . . Individual "J", you and I were discussicg the problems.that" ve'd ' - seen in so:.e of the patches out at the plant, both the'patcbing',' Q.

- caterial in so=e cases being weak, and we indicated that've b'ad?. . found in other discussions that in so:e cases the cement este

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. The other problem that scecs to be prevalent through the plant, and I don't have exact numbers, it see:s like, locked at over.500 patches - Q.

during the review and found 170 I think approximately, giviefcir take ' a few, that had problems or questionable to sor.e extent..' Ve 'found a nu:ber of areas where the patch is somewbat of a thin layir['oVer '. boneyco bed areas ubere the rock has not been cbipped - . / That's one of the areas that we' re very concerned,about, trying to understand how we got to vbere ve are now and ficding out of them.

vbetber anyone in a supervisory position vbo has knowledscoble knew that this was going on, and didn't get flushed up through, the system, and hoped that you would be able to tell us a little bit in your own 'c U. 9 '.<;.e.- . view point how this particular situation came about.

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. Our finisbers, we worked short. b'anded - - I only kuov some of this.

We've got always as f ar as fully qualified people are concerned.are not fully qualified' pod A.

some young people that come in that are trying to teach 'them and with this type of thing, a yo,ti'cg cin... And I think as far fs' your t.

can't be everyplace at the same tic.e.journeycan finishers are concern the very best they could, the way they were told to do it.

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0.K., after you , Ve were told that your boneyco:b would be tagged.

go through process in rc cring the teg, then chipping tskes place.

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~ Af ter your chipping takes place then it is inspected again by Newberg ~ r 'Then, if they sign it off ve patch it back.

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, - . . . m ' - - Considering the number of patches, I vish I had an exact nu:ber to - Q.

vbere a thin layer of caterial has been put - give you, but I don't, I guess it is on or all the boneycomb has not been chipped out,cf a ecocern to 'the superintendent bere, Mr. Steve Gayso has been naced by several screwhat people as knowledgable that this vas going out in the field, and you . indicated to ce a little earlier that ycu cight be able to shed some light on these co=:ents.

Pertaining to bud Cutsball, Bud Cutsball worked in the sace period I

do for Joe and be and Steve had a personal plan going between them.

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He'll goof off every chance Eud is not a good vorher by any ceans.

~ ~ ~ -- he gets and Steve was on his butt and one corning ve was down onHe cade t , 391' 50, this was just before Bud lef t the job.to ce that "I'll get

her this kind of chatter on the job all the tice and I never gave anot thought to it, because you bear that kind of thing, but then after it was pretty plain to me that the can this whole thing :ome out, ceant what he said.

Would this be I believe that Charles Cutshall lef t site on May 11.

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a couple of days before then? If Eud vants to challenge this I'd Sosevbere in that neighborhood.it out to him the very time and place this A.

be very happy to point conversation took place.

previous discussions, before we got the tape recorder working, that you have worked on Joseph Cutshall's crew I understand fro: Q.

We spoke since co=ing on site and still are a cember of his crew.h tion, with Joe yesterday and among other things we asked over an area with honeycomb had not been recoved.

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To my knowledge he has not.

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. . Nave you personally been aware of any ether fere:rn or the Fewberg . .

Superintendent givicg orders that suco cosectic patches be cade7 ' 'Q. - . . . I have h*ow Ict ce clarify so=ctting bere.

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Not to cy knowledge, no.Now vbere there vas an air poc.;et, you tnov vbat ' done this cyself.

from the vibrator, and you vill get a vbole . I an talking about, New I'c guilty cf teking cy band , . -- series in the face of the vall.

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- It is These are surface air pockets, what's caused by the vibrator.

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. not a boneycoob.

. . Ve have people vbo have told ce .. I believe I've seen these things.

that these are norcal surface defects with no structural icportance.

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. There is no structural value vbatsoever.

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. .. ' . in your knowledge, neither the superintendent i O.K.

You centioned that at Fevberg nor the forecan were knowledgeabic of the cosmetic repa rs . Q.

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Not to my knowledge.

' '. b Vould any of the quality control personnel of either Newberg or PSI Q.

be knowledgeable, to your inforcation? h~ If this bas took place, if PSI and This is cy bonest opinion. quality control bad been on the dacs ba A.

Let ce go just a then this vould have been tagged vben we got there.I was on this job for a K.

' little bit further bere.

g.. before I ever saw an NRC inspector.

t' . j We are at the site irregularly, especially duricg the earlier stages . ' i of construction, our inspections pick up in the later construct on , Q.

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sj . if we had bad the pec.ple that was supposed to , then the vbole thing, if My feeling is this: A.

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- Honestly, what' I think everybody is saying, we're ges.ng the blame.... , . because somebody else didn't do his dann job.

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The utility, who has a license. .- liable for any defect at the plant.

?- fro = the NEC, is charged 'vith caking sure that the work is done - ~ properly; they are supposed to oversee tbc quality centr:1 ef forts . . ' Tbcy are the people who ulti ately have to - co:pany.

of ycur est That's very true.

• answer for the quality of the plant.

Since Bud Cutsball's statenent has come out, ve received three other , state:ents from other people and I have been in contact with one gentlecan in addition to them.

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If you can, I'd be interested.

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. I've talked to Individual "A" on the telephone.

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Do you know vbat his personal vendetta is? . A.

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No sir, I don't.

. l . His father-in-law and Steve have a personal thing going - there A.

personal dislil.e there.

law and be continually cussed Steve up from the time be got ber ' i ' theso I think be quit.

forecan's job and be didn't get it.

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' I So I think that's more than likely Individual "A's" big gripe.

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don't agree with Steve's cethods 100%. , can make a can cicerable.

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I think we realize that.. Ve also have a st.te..,e:. 74.'* . ' . - y.. - . _- . Mortensen.

. . He and Bu'd. vere ' " . . . .. ..... ' Stanley Mortecsen, yes sir, I can tell you exactly.

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Jewel - this is the type of can and the type of supervisor, he is.m.,, . ' You can go out there and can go to work and if you try to work as itlie'll sta - ~ A.

falls, you get in there and do your part.But if you vall out there on bis job 'an'd'yos - ' and leave you alone.

so to work and you go hunting for the easy stuf f you're going to?..,' '.f 3. > - ' - There's another vendetta.

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y. -. . ..-T One core can who has provided an af fidavit to us through.SAVE THE. :- YAl.LIY. F.is nace is Michael Valston.

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Tbc$e geys, f:r cne reasco or ' r-another, they're ticked off et him and if you get it in for a supe I do.

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hat ible vere hired as finisbers, cere dcing the repair vork, were respons for those areas vbere the boneycocb has not been recoved?

They could have been responsible for quite a bit of the chipping, biggest anything where there was a cajor patch to go in, 1 thich theAnd here is so= A.

. cajority was done by us old journeycen.As far as your chipping is c k'e were told that you go back to f ar as tbc chiping is concerned.

- some solid stuff regardless of vbere it cay be.

. I guess that there are areas that I That's the way it should be.

lid could understand bev you cight chip back and think y Q.

' t recoved and had to be put in.

I've done soce of the chipping cyself and every patch that I.....every h it has patch that I chipped after I finished with the chipping, A.

' patch it back.

' ". Eov did QC and PSI know that you vere finished and ready? Q.

ified klenever we finished a patch with the boneycomb, chipping, ve not He in turn gets bold of QC or get hold of PSI thensiEn, and A.

they coce down and inspect it, then after they inspect it, our forecan.

then we are released to re-patch.

, Did you have cuch hold up in getting QC and PSI down in instances where they didn't have time to come and see? Q.

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seen a reasonable nu=ber of them, vbere there is a coscetic, patch',,r:;..c, - To Corde 1.and, l.J.~ over soce just plain pure and sis.ple boneyco:b.

. cyself and other people vbo have looked through, there'seccs 'to be a ' i'" . large enough number of these areas that we find it difficdit"to]. '. '. understand how it could have been cade without a forecan for'so=ebodg O else in a responsible position knowing that this was happenini on ' ~ '.' ' It is really a funda ental difficulty that ve.have, because ., ' the job.

we need to understand, if we can accept that people didn't.ldQvbat.

was Eoing on, how this could happen.

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f all, and t. bat would be before I came on the job.

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- there is a very thin coating of patch caterial underneath thisT.';.~ '" really very leose boneycomb and I Euess that if there were.only.one; or two, I t.bink it would be very easy for you to believe,.vell;a',~.:.. couple of men didn't know what they were doing and knocke'dlpff.Early one day and vanted to hurry and rather than call in QC an.d'get busy,, with the chipping bacmers, they patched this right over.', There.'sllJ,.: enough of those areas that are sicilar, some vbat similar,perhaps ' , not as thin a coating or had boneycomb behind them, that.1 really . Vere there times vt.cn.the '..u.' . need to understand how that happended.

foreman vould not be present for long times while your peopici, pere;',(. '. ' Finishers like yourself were doing patches? S., y. p 3l.:..:...'- - r f ,.' vorking? ,4 .q'. E, ;,.a:5 ,;. -

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I don't inov. Our f.orecan * . . No I don't think so.

vas there and I'm sure that I put in as cany patches down there as A., . ' . ,. ..., _, , , gost any in cy crew.

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be down there when the forms were stripped, vben Lbe stripping crews - -,2 - vere dovn there.

. , On sone occasions yes, but cost ceasions no.

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If they cace upon a patch of boneycocb and they didn't call it . to anybody's attention, QC, or reinted it out to the fore an, and Q.

started patching it, would soceone know about this other than the finisher biaself? . I don't think it could be done because you got enough qualified A.

people on the floor to know definite.

... . . In those cases vbere you have tagged, in your personal Q.

Are they good opinions? In my Lbat Newberg QC or PSI QC has cade? conversations with the QC people, I find that my personal evaluation Have you had any is evidence of them not being fully qualified.

experiences like that? if I had been in their position I've seen and beard enough that A.

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I wouldn't have approved.

. We have so=e other coc=ents along cuch the sace line and at least in d one occasion our own inspector found areas apparently been approve Q.

Vben circumstances j for patching that be had so=e real proble=s with.like that occu No, because as far as we was concerned, they were tbc final word.

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Another question on our part - c.ost of those vbo cade allegations of l the helpers and your perspective, I understand, each had soce persona Q.

Vere any of these people these laborers vbo were r difficulty....... essentially untrained, trainable in your view? . . . Exhibit VII rage 8 of 12 .. ... -.....,.... ._ ... - -

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Is that going vell? . " , , ., .. You tabe a , That't going real vell, but bere's the thing about it.

- man that's villing to work and his head's met a yard thick you can A.

' train that can but if that can don't vant to work I don't give a . dann bov'cuch tice you spend with bio you're not going to teach him f.

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that it had been Q.

what vould norcally a=ount to a goud patch, cxcept ' patched with dead concrete, secething you pointed out to us thatIn one instan you'd pointed out to us previously.and one that we bno;ked out ourselves, tbc concre . out, that we saw, Did soceone do what you did, core to the conclusion upset like putty.

And from the way ? ~ that this was dead concrete before it was put in? you've described conditions dovn there, I would conclude, caybe not

accurately, have no proof that there was some qualified people, f '- caybe some helpers, more than likely fore:ec, that vere in the are vben this was done.

quite a nu:ber of patches that sbov evidence of dead concrete? . - Yes, I've got one idea of my own and I don't knov exactly vbere I Vben I cake A.

Eot the idea froo, I was told vben I coce on tbc job.

dry pack, the vay I was taught to cake it years ago, you take sand . you cix it to vbere you can squeeze

and cement and cix it together.

it in your band and cake a ball and when you open your band up, that - Alright, you can squeeze ball vill stay there and not fall apart.

r-Alright, vben you it as hard as you can but you can't squeeze it.

l open your hand you'll bold that ball tcvard the sun, you can see Then you've got a good dry pack.

Alright, I don't water crystals.

know vbere I got the idea, I couldn't tell you vbo told me, but q anyway the pack ve were using was dry and in cy opini , cement, plus you don't have enough coisture that will set yourThe caterial.

it, your vet mud vill penetrate so f ar, vben your coisture runs out - and from there on its powder.

Eben talking earlier to a ecuple of people, especially in canagement, they told us that on so=c days vben you had bad weather, a rainy day , Q.

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into areas in the auxiliary building for example, a'nd do patchi'ag .

and those days also the stripping crews, in order to keep them , ' ' '- - 'ecployed they would also be sent down in that area to strip forms. - . Feople that we talked to appeared to believe that this eight bave - I been the days in the tice frate when soce of the boneycomb areas __.

. have been'patcLed over icproperly, because the quality ccatrol . perhaps catching up on their. paperwork on a rainy day,- , people vere, that stripping crews were down there coving. forms and finisbers had . - ' Does this been generally instructed to go down and do patching.

appear accurate? , , k'e were clear back from the wrecking crew; they would be working on This bas happended A.

one area and we vould be working on another.

numerous times.

I'll tell you something else.

I don't know, it is , - just an idea.

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Where wreckers vill be backing out.

At the I've seen this happen.

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- take and patch caterial over top of something.

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Yes you could.

- . , New I don't know that it bappened, but it is an idea.

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. That this might be done by a stripper? Q.

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It could be.' I don't say it's so, I say it is a possibility.

. . It is a possibility that badn't been mentioned to us earlier.

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But I know cyself because I ovned and operated a business for 10 years and if you want to fix soretbing vbere it is up, an outside A.

job vbere you don't have any danger or Vater probic=s or socething like that, you've got a boneyco=b that's above ground level by the time you take and strip that form, take and wet it you can place it . and go on.

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patch, no catter bov good you were.QC didn't take a good judgecent ~ - ' .~ ': f j :..,.. -. - . to try to fill back on? -- Gobacktosolidcaterial,atthadp2oint you " - A.

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just been stripped, and he' stated he wanted it covered up "before they see ,... ; :.;<...:2,, .. . , ... c:c... . ~... !.- 2 ",,'. b; . '. We both refused to do this'. - .. . ' < - - .. . ' i = --- This was the only ocassion when I have been asked or ordered tci pa'tch f rpr .. <.... . . /: M.. g. ~ . .-: . . ..- W. .. ..;,... , repaired concrete.

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- ~~ , , judicial cake a stateeent.and that any state.,ent I do rake cay later be used in a - -- . .. . , .. - . w . __ - . proceeding. ' . I have been a finisher forecan for Newberg Marble Hill since mid-Novecher,19 . 'on[haveworkedat the construction site several tices previously.

I have never ordered finishers in ciy crew to patch areas where honeycocb was " cover-evident and had not been tagged. No mecher of my crew has 1:>cen ordered to - ... . some areas were not chipped out to up" areas which were not chipped.I feel that these' areas were all ucsound caterial was re=oved. I believe that , the extent that . . ', approved for pa tching by hones t mistakes in judgec>ent.

Concrete has been stored in barrels and has deteriorated prior to being used for ,

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received any training in Quality Control f roc Newberg, and do not believe I have not that the other forecen received such training.

I do not believe that PSI QC inspectors were aware of patches being cade imp ' ' Mr. Stanley Mortensen vorLed on my crew, and did no patching to ey knowledg

do not recall any date on which he worked for Individual "F".

. On Inclement days such as rainy days, finishers vould of ten be kept on at the p I ions which hid f , . to do patching. In so:nc cases they c:ay have patched surface condit honeyco=b pockets they were not aware of.

' . level of experience of sece personnel, and Two problecs on this job have been the > o t have the configuration + procedure used to perforc patches. Deep pockets cay no I:tibi: '. '. _ page I of 2 ' typed transcript of statec>ent ~

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. , . I have been physically present when Mr. S'teve Cayso, Superintendent for the Newberg Construction Co=pany, has ordered Individual "G" to cosectically patch, f approxicately over honeyco bed areas of concrete. These have been scall areas o ' one-half foot square. This happened only ocassionally.

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been ordered to cover up any honeyco= bed ares.

personally have not Ieproperly repaired areas (such as ordered above) were locoted in the Aux building, fuel handling building and,other areas.

. I have read the above statement, and it is true and correct to the best of n:y . knowledge and belief.

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'. -~ y,Av.pce. )ircc-a%;.v.Te. uw.o;;c;o;;r (.! G-() @. - .- f., l ' , . - . . .. , - . . . date of I.i=ited k':rk k:thuri:: tion , 's/F.///. C.lutshall hired as finisher's helper, Jewel Rogere hired.

,. . u '. - . . 3/9/79 . . ... .:.,< . ... - , ~- - . ' S. Mortensen hired as a ficisher . .' 3/09/79

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. .s.... - .. 'vuld fuand ' la cux. bpilding sisb at. 373'6" - , .- . 'i.'l3/29//9 . . ... dirty rebar, repairs icproper - ' -4/3-6//9 FRC Inspection bs::cyco= bed concrete,u - . . . . ' . .. SSL, PSI, N-M3 inspect eux. building void.

. . 4/6/79, lett.cr to Newberg f rce PSI:huneycu nb on two slabs.

4/9/79-4/11/79 letter tu Newberg-frc: PSI: :; top honeycceb trend, better QC ,. . . preplace ent probices, icproper curing et concrete.

L4/30-5/3/79 NP.C inrpection: , QA?N-10,Tampcetion & Tcst Control revised (rev. 3) 5/1/79 QA1'N-10, Rev. 3 icplemented (?). 5/5/79 testing of aux. buliding stab.

. 5/7-S/79 . u l tra s onie.

S. Mortensen laid off (aipprox. 28 working (Imys at site).

, S/8//9 C. Cutwhall caker sworn stater ent to Datillo . 5/S/79 Newberg holds training session (placement crews).

5/10/79 request (approx. 45 workins dcys at site).

5/11/79 c. Cutwh=11 laid of f at his concrete problems, testing of sux.

. HRc/PS1 conagement meeting at FSI: ' 5/15/79 letter to N->G1 from PSI regarding quality of work at cite.

5/17/79 5/,1B/79 Jewel Rogers imid off.

will licit placements, have more QC.

5/21/79 letter to PSI frun N->S!: date of witness statement on cutshs11s afidavit.

5/26/79 6/4/79 call in RTTI f roro PSI: aux void vill be a 50.55(e) report.

, 6/12/79 le t t e r f ros N-)G1 t o P SI: outlines basic procedures.

Datillo sends pett rino to NKR, attaches is C. Cutshall statecent.

6/12/79 ~ FS1 notifies KIli that statement brought up in TV interview.

'I 6/12/79 ' ' (clear copy on next day).

6/13/79 Kill gets entire statement l i 3 / 79 l'::illo ec133 '111, civists Fe is 1.wy +. r f o r C u *. s h e l l. . 151 and 1;uwbe rg be pa paLt.h testing.

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RIII cs11s PSI, they adsise cany patches bad.

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. ..,,a . .. * firs t centact with C, Cueshall.f rc= Da tillo's of fice...f g. >>^~...,.... - > ., ,- . . ,.. . $ 6/25/79 . v.e,u.- .;. . _: dp+;.,,:.}/g ... .' ,. recting, of RIII/ PSI at site, category placements stoppe. . .. ._, , .. ,,, .... . a. ~ telephone contacc wl,tb c, cutshs11.

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'Q.T;Jx:-. .+ Stephan Gayso statc;::ent to N-MH P.V:. 1.., +:Si% ":.f.

. v ,. ..., ;. ;-. - 7/10/79 ,. James Cutshall statement to N-XH.

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