ML20106G616

Transcript of 831202 Interview of CT Brandt in Glen Rose,Tx Re 831201 Desposition Concerning Release of Statements of Public & Dept of Labor.Pp 1-7

ML20106G616
Person / Time
Site:	Comanche Peak
Issue date:	12/02/1983
From:	Brandt C EBASCO SERVICES, INC.
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1 U.NITED STATES OF AMi.RICA.

.NOCLEAR sEJJLATORY CCW.IsSIOr.

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OF CnARLCS 1:iO.v.AS BRA:.J1 8

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Centerence Roc.e . sic . 2.

10 Visitors In c or T.a t i ct- Ce:a t e r Texas U:111 y Genera: Ing Com.pt.ny P. O. box 2300 11 Glen Rose, Te::a s 76043 I .i-Friday, De; ecuer 2, 1963 13 The interview commencec, pursuant to notice, at 9:15 a.m.

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16 P4RTIES PRESENT:

l' On Behal: cf the.NRC Orfice or I..ves ti ca t iens :

I8 ! M. BROOKS GRIFFis, Investi a cr DC!ALD D. ORISKILL, Inves: 1 stcr I9 li U. S. Nu c l e a r R eg u l a t c r y C O.. .T.1 *. s ; c e, i

'O f Re:lon IV

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1 PROCEED INGS Mx. GRIFFIN: For tne record, tnis is an 3

. interview of Thomas Brandt, 5-r-a-n-d-t, wnc'1s employed

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cy Ebasco Services Corporation. .

5 The location'of this interview is the Comancne 6

Peak Steam Electric Staticn near Glen Rose, Texas.

' I Present at tn: s interview- are for Ebasco ,

8 Thorr.d s Brand t , .iicNeill Wa.cins, representative for Mr. .

9 Brandt," a lawyer for the firm of Debevoise and Liberman, -

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present for the NRC are Don D. Crisxill and H. Erooks t

i 11 Griftin and tne court c'eporter.

I2 Tom, we swore you to tell the truth and the I3 same cath will applies for today's continuation of tnese la interviews.

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CHAdiES ThCMAS 6RANDT '

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naving been previously duly sworn by Investiga.or Gr:f fin, I s

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was :urther examinec and testi:lec as :o.icws: .. . .

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i 19 y.R . GHIFFIN: In your cpening remarks in the

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- i deposi-icn we toc < from you yesterday you e:<presseo i ccncera cver releases of statemen s you aac given in ene j

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i past to the .WC and prtblem2 L. w.

tnat you P.ad rela ting to '

C-33 civil actions and you w)tC, .+:  % to the relaasa cf anv -

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s.ataments .vou mi:nt a.ive curir.: ...is .r r:c eed i a: ::, cce, 3

tr.e puclic, the Depa r ..r.en t cf *.acor cr to t.e A5:.E for a 1 l .;

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I perio: up to anc including the termination or ending of a current Department of Labor investigation on Bill Dunham.

3 Don and I agree.d to explore this for you. The

- 4 NRC is not in a position to enter into such an agreement.

5 Our inquiries'end up in ene public record. Tne Department 6

of Labor has the authority to have ' access-to these things. i

- 1 We co not seek them out or call them ap and say we nave i i

8 got something you might neeu nere, but nevertheless we 9

cannot guarantee that it woulc be preserved from them at 10 any point because they have a legal rignt to recuest 11 them, and ot course the A5LB being an arm of the NRC, an 12 incependent arm, has access to all proceedings that relate I3 to comanche Peak. 'So we are not in a position to witnhold 14 these. -

Ib You indicated that the time period that you 16 ere interested in is up to the termination of DOL's II investigation on Dunham. The only thinc I could tell you, (

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Tom, is that because of the time involved in tne review 19 process fcr any report that the Gifice of Investigations "O

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.na '< e s , there is a definite ti.e iactor anu I w ulen't 33 antictgate tnat any report or this i..vestigaticn .culc be ..

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released until well after the ne year. But at ene same g

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J time I cannot premise jou that any part or our  ;

3. t inve5ti;a 1cn into these areau might not 'ce solicited and 25 received by One or more cf thesa parties.  ;

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1 MR. WATRI.NS: Is the reluctance to agree to a concition witn regard to the Depart;nent of Lacor' based on 3

tne memoranoum of understanding between :;RO and the

_ Cepartment of Labor?

3 MR. GRIFFIN: ho. My personal understanding of 6

the reason we cannot enter into this agreement is that I

we cannot reserve the right to witchcid this i n f e r r.a t io n . l 6

The ASL5 and tae Depart.nent of Lacor has access to this 9

information if they request. Of course, eney .T.ay not know 10 that it exists, but if they knew it existed and requested II it, they we would ce entitled to it and this is ray

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understanding.

I3 MR. WATKINS: The reason I bring it up is I4 because as I understand the memorandum, it governs j l

Depart.nent cf Labor investigations under section 210. j 6

Pernaps we should have clarifiec this yesterday.

Tne cenartment of Labor's investigation is f a

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=cncluced. It ia over. Tne letter dated October lo from  ?

I9 the Area Cirector of tne Dep.irtment Of Laccr tc ~4r. Purdy

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-' f in v e s t iga t ic t. . We are r.cs embarkec on a trial type i

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-- l. acministrative hearing, which is a nearing ce ncva ::

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,. Investiga:E atl ne facts anc circumstances surrocndin;  !

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lI Mr. Cunham's cr.arce. 1 t

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n-5 the agreement between COL and the NRC coes not cover that 1

2 circumstance once the investigation is concluded. You 3 .

mignt want to relay that back to ---

, MR. GRIFFIN: dell, no. Wnat it, coils dcwn to-is 'we are not in the position to guarantee conf.icentiality 6

frou1 either the Cepa rtmen t of Lacor er the ASL8, and in tnat we can't, there are no provisions as sucn,-anc so to 8

to be straign: with yo'u guys, 1 nave to advise you that 9

that is the offici'ai position of tne NRC it is my 10 understanding.

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, You'have a decision to make, Tom, and if the l'-

timing that relates to this is critical to you, then you I3 may force us into.a subpoena situation. We are entitled.to I4 receive this information from you, as you already know and 15 as we have discussed off the record. 1 16 THE WITNESS: I understand.

II MR. GRI E FI.1: You are not resisting us, I I8 understand, c' u t we cannot guarantee yoc confidentiality 19 even for any period of time whicn relates to tnis 20 in f o r ma t ion . We are requesting tais inter =ation from you ,

t 23 and you are going te nave to .r.a3:a a cecision as to -netner li you are going to voluntarily give it tcday or ender

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subgcena at some near date in the foture.

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conficentialir pursuant to tne stanuard form agreement.

KR. GRIFFIN: Yes. If you were willing to abide 3

by all of tne conditions of confiaentiality which woula 4

e incluce discussing it with third parties.

o MR. n'ATKINS: I would.li.<e to confer wi'th'Mr.

6 Brandt. Can we go off tne record for that purpose?

MR. GRIFFIN: Sure.

8 (3rief recess while Counsel hat 4 ins and.Mr.

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10 MR. GRI! FIN: he will go bac.4 on tne record.

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. MR. WATKINS: The Department of Labor l'-

administrative hearings in the hilliam Dunham matter will 13 ccr.imence on December the 6tn and will continue for many I#

days. Mr. Srandt will be a witness in that prcceeding, as I5 will other persons that you have requested te ce g 16 ' .

intervie ed. t 1

3' 6 Given what happened wi-h voluntary staterents l 18 i  :

in the DCL Atchison proceeding, and given alsc the fact ,

t 19 that tnere is a lawsuit peracing by Atchison, a civil suit j O

for several millicns of dollars both as to cc:r.panies and -

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-- 1 Investigations put him under subpoena c answer any j a3 further cuestions that you have ragarding the Willia.:

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i Cunham ma:ter at Comanche Pea.:.

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i reluctance to ctier this en the record material, that we con't mean to be difficul. about.it, but tnat tne 3

extgencies of litigation si.nply in our view demano that we

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5 Tom, do you have anything to add?

6 THE WITNESS: .N o . That is essentially tile story.

8 MR. GRIFFIN: Okay. Well, I understand your 9

reasoning and we will proceed as we must.

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t CERTIFICATE OF PROCEECINGS 2

3 Ihis ' is to certify nat the attacned proceedings of tne Interview ot CF.ARLES THOMAS BRASDT betore the Office of

. Investigations at Texas Utility Generating Ccrapany, 6

Comanche Peas Steam Electric Station, Glen Rose, Texas 76043, on Friday, December 2, 198 3, cce.::encing a t 9:13 8

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9 original transcript for tne files of tne Office et 10 Investigations, Region IV.

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