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Rept of Interview W/Ct Dodgen
ML20129C516
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Issue date: 08/04/1995
From: Van Cleave V
NRC OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS (OI)
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C. THOMAS D0DGEN D0DGEN was interviewed on July 24, 1995, at his office at Miniature Machine Corporation (MMC), 606 Grace Avenue, Fort Worth, Texas, by Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) Investigators Virginia Van Cleave and Robert Kirspel. 00DGEN provided the following information in substance.

00DGEN stated that he had been employed by MMC as the controller for approximately 2 months. He worked many years for Halliburton Corporation in Houston, Texas, and had recently accepted an early retirement offer from them.

In February 1995, Dale J. KREISMAN purchased 51 percent of MMC and assumed the presidency of the company. KREISMAN lives in Reno, Nevada, and divides his time between Reno and Fort Worth. KREISMAN was currently in California but planned to be back at MMC the week of July 31, 1995.

D0DGEN said MMC manufactures gunsights, all of which are different from those manufactured by other companies, and all of which have patents pending on them. D0DGEN said "nobody makes sights like ours. That is why they are patent pending." Some of the gunsights are black, some have white dots, and some have tritium inserts in them. He said no gunsmithing was done at MMC, and their sights are sold as packaged sets.

MMC sights are manufactured by a subcontractor, Horizon Technological Industries Inc., Fort Worth, Texas. After Horizon manufactures the sights, they send them to Innovative Weaponry, Inc. (IWI), Albuquerque, New Mexico, which drills holes in the sights, inserts tritium into them, and returns them to MMC. MMC performs quality control on the sights and sends them to Horizon for final assembly. Tritium inserts are purchased only from IWI, under a verbal agreement between KREISMAN and IWI, that dates from approximately the beginning of 1995. MMC has no other source of tritium inserts. Currently IWI is inserting tritium into 1911 (Colt series), Glock (7 or 8 models), and the Heckler and Koch USP [NFl] sights. MMC plans on adding a shotgun sight to their tritium line within the next month.

MMC's primary customers are individuals, particularly those in law enforcement. They seldom sell to distributors due to the lower sales price.

MMC is currently trying to increase sales and recently placed an advertisement in Guns and Ammo. They eventually hope to sell 500 to 1000 gunsights a month, approximately 80 percent of them with tritium inserts.

D0DGEN checked the records from IWI [some of which were on his desk when the reporting investigator entered the facility] and said MMC received its last shipment frcm IWI on approximately July 20, 1995. He did not believe IW1 currently had any MMC gunsights on their premises for tritium insertion.

However, they are supposed to receive 300 by the end of July, 860 more by the middle of August, and 1000 more by the end of August.

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INVESTIGATOR'S NOTE: D0DGEN provided copies of IWI's work orders for gunsights shipped to MMC. Included on work order 12875 were 45 red night sights. IWI's authorized distributor of tritium inserts, SRB Technologies, Inc., does not manufacture red tritium inserts.

00DGEN said MMC had recently received a few sights with red inserts, but he was unable to locate any to show the reporting investigator, saying they must be at Horizon for final assembly. ,

D00 GEN said he could not answer any questions about the arrangement between IWI and MMC because that was handled by KREISMAN. He said he had no idea where IWI obtained their tritium inserts. His sole interaction with IWI was to try to understand their invoices, which he said were " terrible" and impossible to understand. He said he was not a " gun person" and referred the -

investigator to KREISMAN for additional information. '

This report prepared on August 4, 1995, from investigator's notes.

. A : s n O /2 s t - , Ant Virginia Van Cleave, Senior Investigator Office of Investigations Field Office, RIV l

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