ML19344B409
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| Site: | South Texas  |
| Issue date: | 09/23/1980 |
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< 3Thel subcommittee mat,tpursuant to notice,0at 9:05
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"24 Jthe; Chairman'aisthe-Nucleaz' Regulatory Commisasion'and its Wa. ..
M. 4 < 3 l19 LDiitector'of Zaspedtion.andlEnforsument~in order that ue 2 _ 0 ght d'isouss'the efforts oilthe: Commission's: inspection and
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N> 34 LAs'ue'will hearTiron testimony, the south Texas prejaet'
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47 leontrolprogram.)3Theseproblemsreachedthapo. int'thatla. - ,_ 34 . s10.0.000 sivil pensity was assessed and a Show-Cause Ozdez i ;
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n P 3. . 40 The~~ difficulties at.tl.a south' Texas Nuclear projest raised I s-Ett ' questions od;. safety, caused delay and increased costs. . We j L '4 t I.'vant?tolexaminexthese matters and the Nuclear Regulatory. y i h 43 yonaiss' ion'siendorsement: activity in connection with that , d' 44 . project ~to detezaine whether the problems have been .. f' l : . W # .45 .cozzested..what sosttoonseguences vill ultimately be'pleoed 1
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79- , . 151 i commission ~is;eparating under in testitenF.bedere us today.
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[ 63 :Second,-Ldecision-makers who declare themselves in-
'64 Congressienal testimony and alseuhere on~~fiots which are 65 -: involved in a proceeding before-them may.be. held.to.have q
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47 -disqualification. I knou the subcommittee uill be sensitive 64 to-these considerations-An ouz i gudstioning of Chairman
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- 70 At this time, va-would appreciate hearing from chairman
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( 1 > , 71 Office of Inspection and Enforcement. 33Ii But beform we pz'oceed,DMr. Lent,ldo you have a statement?. % Thank you [Mr. Chairman.
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. l75 (I sa: happy to have you as vall,: Chairman'Ahearna, and your
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,8 44 jfhuse the.importance.of your agency in implementing.the: "j announced ' 's'ezal ! policy; of reducing : dependence er. f oreign 49 .
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91 alternative that we have.-The-. Economic Regulatory
. 91 : Adahistr.ation' reports -that: 40 nuclear- f acilities azey --
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v f ics 109 : Th'ank .. you', ' Mr . Chairman. - 1Mr.' Iokhazet. 1We -austomarily swear. the uitnesses .before
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.:119 Mr. Ahearne. . Thank you,:Mr. Eckhardt.
4 4 e: . l120 Mr.: Chairman,fandmembersof]thesubcommittee,.I-as' c w - . wm 7121 - pleased:to appear before you to discuss.the South Texas Jnuelear. power plantiand other related :sub:lects identified in-
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W. [here~,fandithe_four:of~us will.zespond to-any iuestion'you- .-, - ~ '141 ,, ; '1 1143 may:have.. 143 -In: addition,'because of the issues that the chairman =had) alluded to'in'his opening: remarks', our'Geneza'l Counsel:is' ~ 1144 _ y - L145 $1hezeito haGvise ema_ on ex parte matters which-we may Jget in. ~ c .'y j._ - . 4; . , m , . . . . , ; 3 3146 9toh rNopefully;not, butLifIve do.-he will advise me.; n;. - AsfaibackgroundM the constzustion atLthe South Texas- ~ Lm ',w - . " , J147 =<:' ' ' ~ g ~ 7' , , f1. 48 Jproja.et; started lin. late:1975 follouinsLissuance of.a' limited ~ 1 . .. . s .> 1.149 .: Work : Authozimationi by .the - MRC.- Constzustion pezmits Jere . f<_ .c s- ,r ; issued by.:the 'MRC Tin' December: of 1975. The. pressurized e x -150 _ , g h I ) I Al, _ 7 '. < , . 7 , ' ;- - * . ,a > ; - & O 4 ~ , '? k l ~ l Y'6wl 4 t y - y, ,- ^lh.c 7
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.numbez3 f enfotoe' ment: actions in this< case,~inc ld u ing. the ~ -161 R 4 m - _-..-- . . 163 .issuanceiofiimmediatel' action ^1stters and-a Shour.Cause Order 184 lan(thetimpositiontof civil: penalties. Itz. . Stallo = has 9 m u . d, ilsa ".furtheridet' ails aonoerning-that? effort-in his testimony. ,s- .. -o , J - ; 166 :Before Ieturn?to'the: specific.questionsJthat you asked' 167 Lior,in;yourflattes : I uould likexto note th'at last week---- L ~ 144 last Fridab ?in fast----the Commission'zuled upon;a, request by. a: . 4 169 tuoiintervenoz[ groups'for hearing on the Shou cause order r - c .. . .. . . p' ~ < 170 uhieh-had?resulted fron our inspection enfotoement effort, ~ ' 'i A '171 .andithat:0xder;was;publisheetyesterday. Consistent with' ~~ .. z- 1 f 172 :resenti' case 'lau 'atiour' agency,;the Commission- declined to w:. oz'erfa?hearingJon theTintervenors quality assurance-fW ~ l173 d . c ' ' allegation %in^tho contest"of:the enforcement action. L174 l-
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W. _ M L141 PpastialiinitiA1 decision.on these oharges. l ; , % bm.. .. . 7J1 . . . . . . . ,; . '142 The: Commission indicated that the -operating license . u n, . 123 :applicationjaight;be.danied..ifithe. facts. support an ir: , 1 * ;l 1% ,s v . . , . . ~ . ?t44, 'unsoseptableJabdioation :sf- either, zesponsibility : for foz ' ' ~ 'q v- :*- j 1 ' 145hknouledge:about'thatSouth'.Texasprodest'on?!the'partof;.the ,
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~ t-- 2+ OS- ~ * :' 254 ;- lThreexnile-Islandiscoident c might have on.thefseuth" Texas ~ ? ' ,1557 .cs aste That so-oslied :TMI: Aotion . pLut, ' formulatadias a {pzof w- ; d'L; ;p ., f . . . ..:_ .. . . s ~ ^ . 's254 (zesultsof.ithelTHI-2' accident fuss developed 49 provide:a' ' y ' r loonprehensiveTand:integratea plan:for the actions: judged ~ ~ .259 > a < m j k . E ,, "W _ (260 .nece's'sary by the.MRC staff 7to cozzest or ~ improve the' - m l ,r . } . . ('
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.u y ~ ~ ~ [291 Eyor instance,the mentions his~ area, the need foz other q h? 1 ; energy source's-dize'etly.to supplant foreign oil which' 292 % ~ 193 Largely supplies his_azes._. I think.'that probably would he. 3 c- . 194 the-caseLuith'Ms. Ha'zkey;o'd Massachusetts-uho is here with' - 4. f~ 295 .us(this: morning., N .296 In1the Texas. situation, it is not;all that different, . 197 because the cost of ooal~.tends to approach. through zailroad V , 1894 rate oosts, the' equivalent-cost of foreign oil----STU value---- d , 4f 'v~.1. +' ,. , s.. /199 Land:'unless there is-some. competition, or-at-least potential - [ k 300 *loompetitionIfrom:theinuclear res'ourse, there may be no real E , 301 competitive: control;of: price, because, asfyou zooall,.in- '302 1978,juellpzovided in'the yuel Use bill that the generation-of islastricity by ' 199C , except in: peak loading cases-and. - :303 - 304 ?vithEsome' minor-. exceptions,.would.have to forego the use'of
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3 37 :other souzoes,5-1's.to! doi-the job very auchIas one~vould do ~~ ' p.; . 334 5 anyh ether .'large :' cons truction? j ob s the-building oi1an (esponsive~.zeeidenoa. the' building of.a?oomaezeial building. " - <339 "163 .That:is,sto-haveLsidifferent contzaotor from the>azohitect~. ~ Thalazohiteeti~in anDordinary azahitectural contracting ~ ; 3'41 ; p - - 3436usituationLiz'the-person uho sees to it that specifications 343 ;azeifo11'oued._ The c'ontzaotor and the azahitect are somewhat pf, . - , 344 lintconflict, orlat I least they may not be rolled-into tho' . ~ 345 -sama' person if quality control inspection 1isjto be done- , s.. - .346 prope rly.- Yet I understand that in this case, the 347 'architest/ engineer and the contxtetax are the same, that.is, 348 Ezoun and Root'.- 349 'Mr.:Ahearna. That is oorzeot. M r ~.. C h a i r m a n . That does-ci 3 350 *Loffer more potentia 1Jfor..a problem,.particularly-when'you do- 0 351 :have. as:youtuantioned' earlier, a company that is= going'into' 353 .this~for the first time. '353 :(As I tried to' cover in ay' - r testimony, when we looked at the ,. r- l 354 ' variety-of ways plants <have been built, we find-that.there l a a 355 are(some thatfdo"it'the same way that Houston-is doing it. - _356 Thereiare some, primarily~the larger. nuclear organizations--- g. l 35'1 :TVA sad. Duke.pouez----that1uill'do all three,.but those are by. i.: L 1354 -nou've11! experienced companies that are very familiar with . x 359 Ethe---- " q' t- . $ 360 :Mr.JE ckhardt. lie'11,:I would.-assume that that option'would L ',, +G . , i k $$ ~ ' ,y- . * ~ ,r ,y w: .,1 T s' p, g- , i 1 , ;~ '
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- - 376 Mr.:-Ahearna. That would,'in general, he.my feeling', Mr . L v
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,413 ?supervis' ion at)s'relativelyfhigh level-on both. sides.of the- 'V~ I414 ~ operations,.as.'I understand it, to1accomplisk a desizable ~ ' l 415 m . ; . l, -41'6 fobjective. / . . ;h -417 Mr . s: Ahe arne . . That?s oorzeot. ~ 414 - Mr . s Eckhardt. - I am generally f amiliar uithl that area"and1 n
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~ 424 . labor. na I cozzeot in that assumption oz am I leaning too 1429 .auch:in.favo 'of my own area? 41J Hz. Ahearna.- let'me-defer to Mr. Stallo-for that, if I ^ ..=e e g ~ ~ .&31i.could. p , -p - 412L Mr.~Stello.- I think these is:a large pool of' trained 433 Joraftemen in that area. As you are'ausza, tha-location of p-y, .434 the' plant is.someuh.at removed and they have to attzaot, '435 then, those trained people to the azem of the plant. InL i ,q ,.. ; ; g .~ n .l , .i w - , g- ~, . ') y y - , h.1 d!: " t j
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PAGE 19 7, c 536 . order?to"do;this',. Lit;zesuizes~oompetitive salazy~seales'and ,w. : . .~ . .. - . , . . . fa,tzaining; program to' bring,in~. unskilled labot to'do that.- f s ~ M, , 437 , 34 < ).Onebazaa where we 'saufthat problem was in velding and;it-r ., ~ b, l439 was: oo'zzeotable. ' obviously'[ by making - the salaxy atructure - u:. - a. ?oompetitivalwith:the' competition'forEthis same kind of l :440 --w= . Ltalent in the petrochemical areas in Houston and other parts 441 [ f442 'of Texas. , ~~443 Mr. Eckhardt. Just/to get'the pictureLstraight haze, j 444 geographically, we are talking.about a distance, say, from 445 the, Beaumont-post ~Azthus area----of. course, the Houst. area r is.~somewhere in between, but a distance of from.there to the ~ 446 [ , 447. South Texas nuolear' facility, roughly the distance from 3: 944 Washington..D.-C., to Mau York. Is.-that not oorzest? - "449 Ms. Stallo'. That's my_zoooll.ootions yes, six. - 4 . . . Then Houston'would be somewhere in 450 Mr.,Eckhardt. n y ;- . : -451 betueen,' but-still.a considerable distance from the' plant. 452 And ue'havecin that' area a rather mobile exaft force for M% -this! type work, but'it may be somewhat difficult to marshal
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'454 -them at: any particular place unless there is some way to 555 . con' tact the exaftsuen, as I understand the situation. p ~ 456 Mr. Stallo.. Well, the. point I uns trying to make is that 'ii;you-aza'trying to attract-those. trained exaftsmen fron-457 1958 .that a-aa to' move them into the~ staa of the plant, you need 459 .to_.dofthat>u?.th a competitive salaxy scale., They clearly .> m .aze not going to make that move.for less money'than the- .g l
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502 Nation san-no longer afford, either from an economic ~ 7 503 standpoint oz fros'a' national security standpoint. .I would like to ask'~you if you isel this time frame-is too
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~ h -507 aloouple; of points :and then ' address that specifically. , 504 IA theidelay'isfoaused-foz reasons that donit relate to..y _ PO, x . , . 509 'the. fundamental process of tryin1'tolgetLa plant' licenses, tg R;* 1510 3 then.I uculd agree.that.it's aLluxury ua can't afford. Many E*
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o ) U', - -545 eziginally have thought that they have licensing prosesses j Ik _ '= 544 -much shester than euza.' saadually, their processes are W~ ; _ } o .< -597 setting to roughly the same kind of length that we have. s ; l I ;; - 544 se sextainly I wouldn't say that the lisensing process is W - . . . . . ~ ",'~ -549 -c .. the. nest efficient er as efficient as it should.he. It .; ~ 550 ,'isn't. It is, like most mechanisms, still creaking and us e 551 .are.. t ry i ng to adjust its us are trying to improve it. But I a , MMW y , 553 -dor.'.t':think it.is pressly ineffielent. :
- 55'1 Mz'.-Lent. Well, just.to_.se back,a sement. You say that s-NC uo m4 554 ~ problems.arise in lesation and/or design. Isn'tsthe
/ f$ /' N\ d " *g , l.555 .lesation of the: plant and the design ed the plant----azen't y j . . % ~ N .':c. O ',~= m s-e /J556 s g - - these:. threshold questions that'are leeked at at ' the time the y }-f - 5? ~ . ,_ ; ; W M, 4, 557 initial"appliestion:for-sonstzustion is filed with the NRC ( . O g*g;+n a " - - e - , ';554 LMr. Ahearna. Mell,~ier example, en location, there is a . p . . .w w. ; 4 s ) - %C , y(E. , ,!559 ?particular.Lyeuer plant 1that semes to mind in the West where,- s [ge[gh;i u.g - , ?560 <aiterCthe'plantiunsfaubstantially built,'it turned out that -p [ %e: OR :j - s %_} [:- '.[. .9,{' o , ' ;;- ,{' . ?, . f.g . - .2 ge . - y.W i - . 4 i.jl; . . y;N ' l~ - f y'i';W . ,1 , ' ~ - , _ 1 Wlrh *$- .l r . ^ M UdhNI'MQ 2[(( ['i g. ? ') g f Nr.[1 ~ , ' SQ.'.t y Whm, . e r - hh .,n~ a %m:~f - ~ - . :a n y .'f ~ 3$$ . - - .. ? N ' M a $s M % s h n7%MW - ~ .. - 1 _ 'S . . . . . p' ;,% - w - s ~\ n . _p . ;. L- j . .e? , , . , m .. . y , n . , -- ' y-s _ .e .,7 g ; _ 3i ~ sa.gib szes47esek - ~ pAen at / := ,_ ,. _ . Set thaze ' was a fault---easthquake Asuit---- substsatially eleser Set to the plant them the geological survey had exiginally- . Y.545 dound, se that is a essa ei a situation.wheze---- . ~ ^- : ~ m Nell+,Ithat'sifalzly zaze, 'an't it?' o , ~ _ S44 -:Nr.~1ent.: j 1 ' 2.. , if .. . . SGS Mr. Aheazmec Yes. "That.is rare,ihut large delays occur , , ; 8 u !, .544 dairly: arely. When you take the average ever nucleaz pouez i 547 plant 11 tensing times, h lear delay time average usually y somes aheut from tue'er threeor four-instances, and that's. e =d J. .544 , 549 -ene ei the esemples. _ 'l '= = == === . . . -G 578 la~ Jar as the design, in general'euz.esitaria allou 4 =
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}. E72 agreed te, but there are still a number of items that have-i e 273 { 8:e he sempleted----designs have to be completed----prior -te the , + F 57 '; ' plant actually being fully seastzusted.m That's one.of 'the :-- '575 *zeasons why we~have a tve-step licensing process.: n H ( 576 Mr. Lent. . What is the.leart achievable time isone, in . U~_- 577 yeux opinion? That-is, hou long should it really take. ~ ! 578 ideally speaking, . to get-a p1' ant on line?- Can we look at ' _sw -w . - - - . , a- -- - . . b -seem t( put these plaats in. operation auch.aoze rapidly than .See L m , 9- 541 we:de in.the States? L Nr. - Ahearne. : Well, we saa oestainly look at the experience f+ '545 j "I think ue have to. consider.at -543 .in'the European eeuntries. x 544 least :tue. things)uhan~ we. look -at Europeanlx3erf.anos. ~ ' = ===m 7:h, u, : y S 545 -.iyizat',/de'we . , l eeunt the. time the-same way? In our case, ve> mf+ " , , Y, W -'e-- q %. 3 - n ; , s _ 9 ; ,& :3 , ,> '~j- d- ~ ; c : , , a w ,. . _s ; A, ,~ <a-gf , ., , ' {b ^ ~ T ,, , , ,1 4 ~ , s . e ( AMD W < I-U. %j p( h h - a 3 f ( 4 a hbhh 5 . :1; ^ ? Y kT r kV I , u. ,qu_ _ _ - - <~ ~ , 'h j; _l X E ~ ~% 'T 'M Q ;;a, ~. .l C. l:- ,: ANu. - + x-- g- : * 's, s t ,x , ._ c j , , ,.. j. , _ - n n. , ; W, . - ,, [Wb cgangs~NIy347054' pASE' [55 i + iv - , 's - -544~ihees-a systea where;the, utility begins to.de-its planning 4 - _ . . , .. 9 547 : aad: sees thaeuyh a length'y. precess heisse ~it makes its 9 .~ ,- , n- p; "3% IA4 ' decision on whd 'aiad - of a -design to - use,1 where to leeste - 'I , s . -m '549 ithe plant. + Y .L. .. ~4i .
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.: 'e , ~ . , .. . gevezament decision of what. type of. plant:is' going to he ~ '59'1 . ' 592 !huilt' add where the plant is going *to be located. They 593 -don't_have'part_of that time in which'a utility is-going 1 " 594 through its decision-making process. , 595 As.faz as the actual sonstaustion time-for'the' plant I' 596 don't think there is that significant a difference. I would
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q 597 guess that'for a 1,000-NW plant, a period of time of zoughly. -594 ' ~eight years is a reasonable time -to be aining at as _.the. mosbd M ~ . ~ - $99 efficient----no problems in the system. + e. ._=. o .. , 600 'k's 411 have to zeoosnise th't a Thzee Mile-Island.and Os- [. 601 after-affect have led-us at the NRC----have led many people. $ ~ , (93 : including industry----to rethink a lot of the approaches that i 403){-havaheentakaninth'apast.andrightatthemoment,-that- j g s. ~ Go d is going'to be very definitily a'eausa der a longez- ; a 605 lisensing-time, because there are so many, things being . 606 frathought. y ' m -_7 -_ - ; , , ^.4 ' ' -607 'Mr. lent. I mentioned in.my opening.statament the , .i ^ '604 roonomie Regulatory' Administration's.omlaulations concerning I k, ,the f 40, nuclear plants scheduled :to come on line; by : 1983'.: -609 ;AzeLyou',7Mr. Chairman.-optimistic that these plants can.beim C 610 ~ ; 2 j [ a .., Y 4.ah -= m f =. y "J4l t . 8 m s g i' {9 6 y-c _ < ; ,. . c - . ~'. & ' *s . _ _l '7h l _. _ ~ ~ NO " '" -a x a% @}$j'{; %A;m. w . R 'n , w = M, 017 w > n ' . ,/ Le y . - W ' .y . '- y, em;[[,[,'_,-[. s n;d'h'Ik.g.;.[ \.f , .u @;I, - k 'fb ,d ,,d'Mlb . - mhid' [ t ' (. , _ i - j.. , ,, r , .: - ,,' . . _ , .,_* TV f Q '
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sd , m% 4.111 , granted?eperating lieeases byLyeur consission.uithin-th'ati .9 ~ ' [ time 'inasef' '. Gil - g ' .r . _ .. 413 ' Mr . -' Ahearne . : I haven't seen the zesent fosecast of.the n W. , - . . . _ . s d, ; 614 ;Esenemie eRegulatory Administration plant-specifie so I j' 415 'eaa't speak?te whether we usu14 tend to arzee'with these p- . .. . i J Gle spesifie '. plants . - . a (; 617 I san say that I'an'seniident that as tha-91 ants.sene .y to. p , . , i .414 us.:and sue zaady fez opezating 11eense, if 'they have met the 1 # F 4 f .419 requirements, then we will lisense them. He have so' !# 620 ' demonstrated in the eases of the plants ^that ua'have alzaady-1 e , !L 621 addressed this~summez.. . y '422 .I tesognise that that doesn't really ansuez your question ~ because there aza1several--ssts ei-zequirements.that some ~ 623 - y
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w a 425 Emergency planning for example. The requiremen.t that there a ' 'I _ L g be adequate' emergency plans developed in the are's of the 4 ,; 624 . i . .^ 627 plant. h ,/ 1 o . e . C 628 Mr. Lent. Nell. I hear the soaplaint---.and you tell me i 33 s .. . _ 429 'it's true er~ false----that many of your keyxMRC personnel uho . + 630 were'in'volved inLthe lisensing prosass at various. Plants , 431 = ha re been ' ta, en off tho doh because of TMI. They've all f .S ~ " ^ - 432 been"eensentzsting.en responding to the newspapers and all _ . 633 .'oditheJether ze' pests that had to be made following TMI and .fs' - 4 3 *. uthat,nas a mattez of fast.,this hss added inealculably_to ;
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-695 the.Mueleaz Regulatory Commissionflooking[the other.vay.. . . 'l c., D I believe.that we are0diseassing here today<an?indiotmenf . , ~ ' J -496 ( .. . . . .t:
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- safety.st'andardsTaze obeyed. -0 ~ 698 We.are'disodssing today.the south Towas- projaot one. nuclear pouer . Plant.: .But what ue - [ + .699 700 say applies to'all~64 in opezation and'91 undet .j constzustion. -This may be the tip of:-a tragic storyl as o- 701 these ' plants .go into operation: with '.taknown daficiencies f and . ~ . ~ 701 ~ ' ' ~ ' l^ . - 703 .defoots. 1:- ,, . . t 704 :Let_'ae,ask.you this, Mr. Chairman. -You'say on page.5Lof . %~, .. . . .. -yout.'testimonpi The MAC.is:sonoezned that.; problems similar..- . 705 O .x - . . , 'C' 106 : t'o:those Mt south > Texas may-exist;at some'other(plant un'dez.-
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