ML20055G783
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| Site: | South Texas  |
| Issue date: | 11/09/1988 |
| From: | Caldwell R NRC OFFICE OF INSPECTION & ENFORCEMENT (IE REGION IV) |
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MS. ROWEt Today is November the 9th, 1988.
3 The time is now 1:55 p.m.
4 My name is Donna M. Rowe.
I am a Criminal Investigator for the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 6
Office of Inspector and Auditor.
7 other parties present include Mr. Ronald 8
Caldwell, Mr. Walter Dresslar, NTEU representative, and 9
Ms. Sharon Connelly, Director of the office of Inspector 10 and teuditor.
11 We are seated in Region IV regional office 12 and the purpose of this interview is to address some concerns 13 regarding the allegations made against Mr. Caldwell from 14 the initial South Texas investigation; to clarify some is additional concerns.
16 Before we ask any questions, Mr. Caldwell, 17 I would like to read into the record the CIA Rights Advisement 18 and I would ask you to follow along with me.
At such time 19 I will ask you if there are no problems with this, would 30 you please sign it at that time.
21 I am an Investigator with the office of 22 Inspector and Auditor.
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9 Mr. Caldwell, do you understand the OIA 10 Rights Advisement?
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12 MS. ROWE Do you have any problems with 13 signing it?
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15 MS. ROWE I would ask you to do so at this 16 time. 'Mr. Dresslar, you could witness it for him, if you 17 might.
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19 MS. ROWEt Mr. Caldwell, I'd like to turn 30 your attention to --
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If I might, just at the beginning 22 here.
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to ensure that we're not in a fishing expedition or witch 6
hunt type situation.
We'd like to know what the issue 7
is at this point because he's already given a statement 8
If it's just a continuation of the old investigation, over --
he's probably given a statement over almost every issue 10 that he's aware of and maybe for the record we'd like to il know exactly what we're going to be talking about today.
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l 20 The question that was specifically raised 21 was whether you would have any involvement with the South 22 Texas plant prior to your actually assuming responsibilities 23-for conducting inspections at that plant.
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on some of the other things we have in the report.
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that Ms. Rowe can address those more specifically.
6 In terms of the reading of the criminal rights, you have told us that there was no -- you told 7
8 us, I believe, on the record, and correct me if I'm wrong, Donna, but I believe you told us that your inspections H) were the first involvement you had with South Texas.
Il MR. CALDWELL I don't know if I told you 12 that on the record or not, but I think I told you at some 13 time.
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14 MS. ROWE Probably during a phone conversation.
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16 MS. CONNELLY:
All right.
At this point management's view is that you may have in f act been involved 17 is prior to that.
If that's so, then you would have made 19 a false statement to us.
Therefore, potential criminal 20 implications.
21 MS ROWEt Let me just expound on that or 22 verify that.
13 Do you remember the documentation that Martin 24 asked you and Mr. Kelly to find as far as your employment 25 inquiry with the utility?
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4 MS. ROWEt Yes, I do.
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If potential perjury is what 6
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oath, apparently.
So what's the perjury?
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something to ask me specific. 4M 12 MUA tb44 13 Did I do something with thain that I can't remember?
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15 I don't remember any involvement, what I've 16 told you in there, anyway, so unless you've found something 37 that I don' t know cf C.;.:. I can ' t remember.
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We just want to make sure that you are 21 totally protected and that's why we've given you your rights.
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Let's go off the record.
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Mr. Caldwell, for the record would you please 11 state your full name?
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Ronald A. Caldwell.
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I am a security inspector in the Emergency Preparedness and Safeguards Section of Division of Reactor 17 18 Safety and Safeguards.
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I thought it was September, August or September, 22 but I don't know.
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I don't know when it was.
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Your duties and 17 responsibilities had come to-an end?
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14 Do.you recall any conversations about the-45 lack of training or the lack of-writing and reading type-16 skills about the security guard force?
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I don't know if they did or not.
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