ML062000697
| ML062000697 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Salem, Hope Creek  |
| Issue date: | 05/19/2004 |
| From: | NRC/OI |
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| References | |
| 1-2003-045, FOIA/PA-2005-0194 | |
| Download: ML062000697 (35) | |
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW
IN THE MATTER OF:
INTERVIEW CF Docket No.
1-2003-045 (CLOSED)
-~x Wednesday, May 19, 2004 Salem Hope Creek Station Human Resources Conference Room TB-2 Building Hancocks Bridge, New Jersey The above-entitled interview was conducted Senior Special Agent JEFFREY TEATOR ina5(
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1 APPEARANCES:
2 On behalf o land PSEG Services:
3 MR. JEFFREY KEENAN 4 Assistant General Solicitor 5
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 1:10 p.m.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Today's date is 4 May 19th, the year is 2004. My name is Jeffrey 5 Teator, I'm a Senior Special Agent with the NRC's 6 Office of Investigations.
7 This afternoon I'm interviewing 8
- And there's my credentials. It's 9 approximately 1:10 in the afternoon, and this 10 interview is taking place in a Human Resources 11 Conference Room in the TB-2 Building, located at Salem.
12 Hope Creek Station in Hancocks Bridge, New Jersey.
13 Can I call youi 14 Sure.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: this 16 interview is being conducted, will be conducted under 17 oath. Do you have any objection to doing that?
18 'No, sir.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, raise 20 your right hand for me, please? , do 21 you swear that the information that you are about to 22 provide to me is the truth, the whole truth and 23 nothing but the truth?
24 1 do.
25 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Thank you. You COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS .
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1 are being interviewed as a witness today, mi 2 in an investigation I'm conducting into whether Kim 3 Harbin's(phonetic) job was eliminated here at Salem 4 Hope Creek, in February, 2003 time period, because she 5 raised safety concerns.
6 And also whether her stay here at the site 7 was shortened after receiving notice her job was 8 eliminated, and whether that stay was shortened 9 because she raised such safety concerns.
10 You are being interviewed as a witness.
11 This is a voluntary interview. Knowing it's 12 voluntary, do you wish to go forward?
13 Yes.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And 15 you are represented by Counsel today. If 16unsel could identify himself for the record, please, 17 and explain his representation.
18 MR. KEENAN: Yes, my name is Jeff Keenan, 19 I'm Assistant General Solicitor for PSEG Services.
20 Today I'm representing and PSEG Nuclear in a 21 joint capacity.
22 I have reviewed the information relative 23 to this matter and don't have reason to believe 24 there's a conflict of interest. If a conflict arises, 25 we'll take a break from the record and figure out how NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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1 to best handle that. We appreciate the opportunity to 2 voluntarily provide the testimony today, and would 3 also like the ability to review our transcript at a 4 time that's convenient for the NRC, at a later date.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. )
6 a few follow-up questions regarding your 7 representation.
8 Does your employer require you to have 9 Counsel represent you if you're interviewed by the 10 Office of Investigations? The key word there is 11 require. Does your company require you to have 12 Counsels represent you, or is it your personal choice?
13 It's my personal choice.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, it's not 15 a trick question, I . All right. Were you in any 16 way threatened with any type of adverse act by your 17 employer if you chose to not have Counsel represent 18 you during this interview?
~No, sir.
19 20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Do 21 you understand that you have a right to a private 22 interview with me, if you wanted one?
23 Yes.
24 SR. SPECI AGENT TEATOR: Okay, knowing 171.
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1 present?
2 3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Just 4 a little background about you first, ) and then 5 we'll go into some questions about why I'm really 6 here. Can you give me your date and place of birth, 7 please?
92 10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and your 11 Social Security Number?
12 13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right, and 14 your home address?
15 TiflILN -
16 17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Your home phone 18 number, please?
19 Are 20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Have you ever 21 served in the United States Military?
22 23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Which branch?
24 25 IN 0"* "
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you receive 2 an honorab le discharge?
3 4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: ._.
5 6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did you 7 do anythin g in the nuclear field?
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9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: No? Okay.
10 Nothing in nuclear.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Have you 12 attended c ollege?
- 13 Yes.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And which 15 school?
16 17 18 19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's right.
20 And graduated in" )
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What's your 22 degree in?
23 24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, any 25 further de grees?
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1No 2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. At 3 some point were you hired here to work at Salem Hope 4 Creek Nuclear Power Station?
5 Ys 6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And when was 7 that?
8 9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. And 10 have you remained continuously employed here at Salem 11 Hope Creek since then?
12 Yes.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And have you 14 always worked in the Finance Department here, at the 15 site?
16 Yes.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and your 18 current job title, please?
19 20 21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And what would 22I /
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1 organization, though? I mean what groups are we 2 talking about?
3 M Ml We're talking about 4
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:-.
6 V M Right. And two other 7 organizations that you may or may not - Nuclear 8 Assessments, which is .... etic) 9 organization and Business Support, with 10 11 12 13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And in 14 your job as' can you tell me what you 15 do regarding the budget for the CNO?
16 ii Yes. I'm primarily 17 responsible for developing the labor budget, which 18 would include the personnel budget together with any 19 labor, material, contractor and other costs that would 20 be paid for out of the CNO organization.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And how long 22 have you been involved in that budget work for the 23 CNO, how long have you done that?
24 Roughly five years.
25 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. /
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1 Okay, I met you, I don't know, two or three weeks ago, 2 I was done here doing interviews with other people and 3 Mr. Keenan introduced us.
4 5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I had asked Mr.
6 Keenan to provide documentation regarding whether the, 7 first of all, do you know who Kim Harbin is?
- Yes, I do.
8 9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, I had 10 asked Jeff to provide documentation, if there was any, 11 regarding Kim Harbin's job being budgeted. Whether it 12 was budgeted for the year 2003, the budget cycle down 13 here for your 2003, which is a calendar cycle, right?
M AM Right.
14 15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: It begins in 16 January, through December, 31?
- Correct.
17 18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Whether her job 19 had been budgeted for '03, or the angle of whether it 20 had been not budgeted specifically for calendar 2003.
21 Have you reviewed -
22 Yes.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: - your records 24 to see if such documents exist?
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1 2003, the original 2003 budget we put together did not 2 include Kim.
3 Primarily, because she came so late in the 4 year, it was beyond our budget cycle. So when we, we 5 first got her into the budget, was the beginning of 6 2003.
7 Once we got notification from HR that she 8 would be transferring down here, we of course review 9 every month. We do a forecast every month. So as soon 10 as we found out she was coming down here, we included ii her salary in the CNO Cost Center Budget.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. You made 13 a comment that Kim was not included for the year 2003.
14 Were you mistaken, did you mean 2002? Because she 15 actually transferred to the Nuclear or Business Unit, 16 I believe January 1, 2002? Or very late, 2001.
17 Yeah, that is.correct. That 18 is correct.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right, so go 20 ahead, and maybe you can repeat your answer now so I 21 get it understood.
22 1 'The, she was not included in 23 the 2002 Budget, because we prepared that budget in
- 24. the summertime, the summer and fall time frame of 25 2001.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
2 ) Since she didn't come until 3 later that year, she was not included in the original 4 budget. As soon as we got notification that she, from 5 HR that she was coming down here, we included her 6 salary in the next forecast update for that year.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right, so 8 that takes cares of the budget year 2002.
9 Right.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, so then 11 the summer into the fall of 2002, would you be 12 involved in budget planning for direct 13 reports, his group for the year 2003?
i*>Yes, I was.
14 15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And did your 16 review of records, documentation for whether she was 17 budgeted, her job was budgeted for '03, or not, what 18 did that, what did you find regarding that?
19 W\That she was, she was included 20 in that budget.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And when 22 would that budget have been finalized?
23 Mo It would have been finalized 24 in the fall of 2002.
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1 provide any documentation to support that Kim Harbin's 2 position was budgeted for 2003? Is there something 3 you can provide in regard to that?
4 1I should be able to go back to 5 my records and pull something out that indicated that, 6 by name.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and Jeff, 8 I'd ask that whenA comes up with that, that be 9 provided to me, please, as part of this investigation?
10 MR. KEENAN: Absolutely, we stipulate to ii providing the information consistent with your 12 request.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, now you 14 also made a comment, though, something about a budget 15 forecast is done every month, going forward.
16 Correct.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. So if the 18 budget for 2003 was finalized, for right now, sometime 19 in the fall of '02?
20 Correct.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: At any point 22 during 2002, did the forecast, did your budget 23 forecast change, in that it would show that Kim 24 Harbin's job would not be budgeted for 2003?
25 No.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. At any 2 point during 2002, were you informed by anyone that 3 Kim Harbin's job may not be continued in 2003?
4 No.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and while 6 we're talking about this budget thing, at any point 7 during the year 2003, early 2003, January and 8 February, you wouldn't be doing budget work for '04, 9 yet, correct?
10 70 11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: But would you 12 still be doing these-monthly forecasts?
13 Oh, absolutely.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, any point 15 during January or February, 2004, did your budget 16 forecasts show that her position was going to be 17 eliminated?
- 18. No, Sir.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. In 20 fact, that did not happen until after I found out that 21 she was no longer with the company. And, of course, 22 the next month I did not include her salary.
23 Nobody officially came to me and said 24 that, though I knew she had left. So I, the next 25 forecast, I did not include her salary.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
2 w In the next budget forecast.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. In 4 your budget work, would you have also done the budget 5 work fo group and his people?
6 7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Including labor 8 budget and for personnel?
9 10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Do you 11 remember if in late 2002, early 2003, time period, 12 there were people in his department, I guess probably 13 your department, Nuclear Business Support -
14 *ý Right.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: - who were 16 downsized?
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~Yes, I do.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Now did your 19 budget forecast show those positions being eliminated 20 and not carried forward?
21 iRight, right.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And who would 23 you have gotten that information from that those jobs 24 were being eliminated?
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1 would have been Manager or Supervisor who 2 worked directly for 3 Tasas as" 4 'and there'Is also a 5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT'TEATOR: Who were those 6 two people, the Manager and the Supervisor?
7 . The Manager at that time would 8 have been! phonetic).
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Is he still 10 here?
11 (--Yes, as a, he's over in the 12 work management area.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right, and 14 who was the other gentleman?
15 my.
-16 Supervisor, direct Supervisor.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Today?
18 Tdy 19 SR. SPECIALAGENTTEATOR: Okay, all right.
20 Well, let me ask, I'm asking you this, this is an 21 opinion question. If those positions were eliminated 22 in Business Support and you knew about it, and 23 budgeted accordingly, okay, do you know why you 24 weren't informed of a - let's take a short break, off 25 the record.
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1 (Whereupon, the foregoing matter 2 went off the record and went 3 back on the record at 1:25 p.m.)
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, just for 5 the record, it's about 1:25. That was plant voices 6 calling letting us know there's going to be a test of 7 alarms here at 1:30. We have a couple minutes and 8 we're going to continue, then we're going to break 9 before the alarms go off.
10 Prior to going off the record, )I 11 asked you a question. And I'm going to get to, and 12 Mr. Keenan brought up a point off the record.
13 But if, well let me ask you that now, 14 then. At some point, were you informed that positions 15 in Business Support or Services were going to be 16 downsized?
17 Right, I 18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Can you remember 19 when you were informed of that, approximately? Would 20 it have been in 2002?
21 - )Right. Yes, it would have 22 been, prior to the budget cycle for 2003.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, are you 24 positive of that?
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1 like to confirm that. But as I recall, it was in the 2 2002 time frame that I was aware that there would be 3 some downsizing in Business Support.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And would you 5 have included that information in your budget 6 preparation for group for 2003?
7 - As I recall, I did, Jeff. I 8 will definitely confirm'that.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And if 10 you were told about both positions being eliminated in 11 Business Support, would it have been summer of '02, 12 time period? Early fall '02, time period?
13 As I recollect, it was in late 14 in the fall of 2002, that we started talking about 15 head*count reductions.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: During any of 17 those discussions about head count reductions, was Kim 18 Harbin's name mentioned at all in your presence?
19 NO, sir.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, and my 2i question was before we went off the record, if you 22 were made aware of those position eliminations for 23 Business Support and budgeted accordingly, do you know 24 why you weren't informed of Kim Harbin's position 25 being eliminated so you could budget accordingly NEAL R. GROSS / \\/
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I there?
2 NO, I don't know why.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.
4 I had not heard any 5 indications, though, that there would be any 6 downsizing in that area, in the Frea.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: When you say( ,
8 area, you're really just talking aboui 9 Three people.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
11 e'-811i ad Kim Harbin?
12 - Right.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. You 14 mentioned something earlier that you would be 15 responsible for budgeting for labor, personnel and 16 other costs that were paid for out of the CNO's 17 organization.
18 Were you then involved in the temporary 19 living expenses that were given to Kim Harbin for 20 calendar year 2002?
21 I was, I was, yes, I was.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well -
23 Only to the extent that I was, 24 I didn't make the decision as to whether she was paid 25 for that.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.
2 61110.1101 N But my involvement included 3 the processing of her living expenses and making sure 4 she was reimbursed for those costs.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Would, 6 whether she would be kept on the same type of 7 temporary living expenses for '03, would that be part 8 of your budget cycle looking at 2003?
9 MM Yes, it would be that.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And do you 11 recall if you did budget for her getting temporary 12 living expenses for the year 2003?
13 t.) What I budgeted for was 14 miscellaneous business expense in the CNO budget.
15 Which could have included, would have included those 16 and any that or ay have incurred. )
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, let me ask 18 you this flat out. Did your budget projection for 19 2003, include those type of expenses specifically for 20 Kim Harbin?
21 'I would like to check on that.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And I advise you 23 24 My recollection is it did.
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1 that, Jeff.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I'd like you to 3 provide that verification to Mr. Keenan, so I can get 4 a copy of that.'.
5 Okay, sure.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Now while we're 7 talking about - well, it is 1:30. Before I pick up on 8 that question, we're going to go off the record.
9 'Okay.
10 (Whereupon, the foregoing matter 11 went off the record and went 12 back on the record at 1:38 p.m.)
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, the siren 14 test is over, it's 1:38. While we were off the 15 record, Jeff, you provided a document (inaudible) and 16 you've already given it to me, but it's titled, excuse 17 me, PSEG Nuclear Reduction in Force for the years 18 2000, 2001, two, three and four.
19 And it has, at the top of the list it has 20 some individuals and the dates they lost their 21 positions, basically. And it has cost centers.
22 Now there's a cost center number of 1288 23 that would be for Technology and Integration. Would 24 that be the cost center that you would budget, you 25 were responsible for budgeting for?
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1 wtfýYes.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And there's 3 another number 1339, Business Support. Would you 4 budget for that one, also?
5 Yes.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, then 7 there's 1364, would you have budgeted for that one?
8 8\ 1* .ý Yes1610
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9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and 10 there's another one up here, 1356, Manager Business 11 Support. Would you budget -
12 Correct.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How come that's 14 different than the 12, than the 1339? Because it's a 15 manager position, is that why? See the one at the 16 top?
17 17
- m ummhmm.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I just notice a 19 difference. That one is 1356, and the other Business 20 Support -
21 Well it's a different cost 22 center.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
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1 there.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Now we 3 talked off the record. Actually you made a comment 4 that when-- came on board down here at 5 the site, in his position, which was what? What was 6 his position?
7 Director of Business Support.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, when he 9 came on board what, what did he pretty much tell 10 everybody?
11 One of the first things that 12 7 indicated to us in his meeting, all hands 13 meeting, is that he, based on what he had seen at 14 other organizations, he thought Business Support was 15 overstaffed.
16 And that one of his first initiatives 17 would be taking a look in that area to reduce head 18 count. Although he didn't give specific areas at that 19 time, there were strong indications that, you know, it 20 would be coming from groups within his organization.
21 You know would be significant head count 22 reductions.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And what groups 24 would have been in his organization?
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24 1 supply chain organization, finance, technical 2 integration, his cost center 1339.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Business 4 Support.
5 Business Support and at that 6 time, Security and Emergency Preparedness reported to 7
`8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. During 9 these discussions held by ,i were you 10 ever present for him making a comment that there would 11 be a reduction in force also in group, meaning 12 Kim Harbin?
13 MW No. No indications.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. You 15 talked a little bit, a few minutes ago, about 16 budgeting for Kim Harbin's temporary living expenses.
17 From what I understand and what I've seen, 18 her temporary living expenses ended on January 5th, 19 2003. Do you know that to be true or not?
20 'Not to, for sure, but that 21 sounds like the time frame that they would have ended.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you know why 23 they would have ended then, in that time frame?
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25 1 she released in -
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: No. No, her 3 last day, her last day on the payroll would have been 4 April 17th, 2003. That would have included her 45 5 days.
6 ) No, I don't know why they 7 were, I don't know why they were suspended in January.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I've seen 9 that. I'm just, thought I'd ask the question about 10 that.
- 11. No.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. At 13 some point did you learn that Kim Harbin's position 14 was eliminated, and if so, can you go into how you 15 became aware of that and when you became aware of it?
16 = As I recollect, Jeff, it was 17 after she had been terminated or told her position 18 would be eliminated, that I found out about it.
19 And it was, there wasn't any kind of 20 direct, it wasn't any kind of memo or anything, it was 21 more or less water fountain talk that I had overheard 22 somebody say that she had been released.
23 And at the time there was no indication, 24 no details as to why or anything of that nature.
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26 1 learned why her position was eliminated?
2 )i've heard a lot of different 3 reasons, but ho, I don't know specifically why.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, I asked 5 you have you heard some of those reasons?
6 ) No. Oh, yes, I have.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Tell me what you 8 heard?
9 )I heard that she had had some 10 problems with some of the managers over in the Station 11 and that they had come to, come to some disagreements 12 and misalignments and that she was terminated.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did you 14 hear that from any of those particular managers?
15 ir.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and what 17 other reasons did you hear for why she was, her 18 position was eliminated?
19 Well, I heard things such as 20 nobody could really figure out what she was doing over 21 there. Strictly, one of the things that I had heard.
22 Whether was she was effective or not, I never, I don't 23 know.
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27 1 eliminated?
2 Not that I can recall, Jeff.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Was it 4 ever mentioned in your presence that her position had 5 been eliminated as part of this reduction in force 6 that occurred down here?
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8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. All 9 right, her, she was informed in late February, 2003, 10 that her position had been eliminated. That's when 11 she was informed, okay.
12 Would you have found out, do you think you 13 found out about that shortly after then, or would you 14 have found after, in fact, her last day was here, 15 which would have been April 17th?
16 As I recall, it was after she 17 had left the site that I found out she was gone.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Her last day 19 here at the site was March 28th.
20 21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Although she was 22 paid through the 17th, her last actual day was the 23 28th.
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28 1 your monthly budget forecast f group, 2 would you have included her in that, her employment in 3 that forecast up until you heard that she had actually 4 lost her job?
5 -aCorrect, yes.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And after you 7 learned that she was no longer working here, did you 8 then adjust the next month's forecast accordingly?
9 Yes. Like I say in our 10 budget, in our forecasting what we do though is we 11 typically look at who's there.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.
13 WHer no longer being there.
14 Including those two people that were left, plus any 15 known people, open positions or people that we knew we 16 were bringing on board.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
18 So that's a long way of 19 answering your question, yes, we would have taken her 20 out of future forecasts.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. At 22 some point Kim Harbin transferred down here from, I 23 think it was an administrative transfer. She was 24 already working down here, but there was, she was 25 actually taken from corporate down to NBU, working NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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2 7 .. Right.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Were you 4 involved in that at all, and if so, what was your 5 involvement?
6 Yes, I1 was involved to the 7 extent that we wanted, Kim had asked me to help with 8 the continuity of her expenses. To make sure, you 9 know, that she continued to get her expenses.
10 I also helped her get her SAP access 11 upgraded or changed, so she could get into our nuclear 12 reports. And primarily, just getting, making sure she 13 got set up down here to be able to use SAP and make 14 sure expenses continued to go through.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Let 16 me ask you this question. In your, you were doing 17 budget work down here for 20 years, for the Nuclear 18 Business Unit, correct?
19 B :)Right.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Did 21 you find it unusual that even after Kim Harbin was 22 transferred down here to work for that 23 she was still getting temporary living expenses?
24 Yes.
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30 1 seen that occur before for another individual in her 2 situation?
3 No.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Can you, do you 5 know why her temporary living expenses were continued 6 after she was transferred down here? Do you know why 7 that happened?
8 Only to the extent that the, 9 there was a question from my supervisor, 10 t about that specific issue.
1i SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.
12 You know, now that she's 13 transferred down here and she's a nuclear employee, 14 she shouldn't be eligible for that.
15 agreed.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
17 Kim Harbin went tod..and 18 that was, that change was reversed, that decision was 19 reversed. And we continued to pay Kim's expenses plus 20 the company car.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. It's 22 1:50, I'm going to take a short break.
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31 1 record at 1:56 p.m.)
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, it's 3 approximately 1:56 in the afternoon, we're back on the 4 record.
5 we talked about her, Kim Harbin's 6 position elimination, the decision to do that. Were 7 you part of any discussions surrounding that before it 8 occurred?
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Do you 11 recall have any discussions at all with 12 surrounding whether Kim Harbin would have a job in the 13 year 2003, or not?
14 No, Sir.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: At some point a 16 decision was made where, some people use the term 17 acceleration. Her last day at the site was moved up.
18 She would still be paid for the 45 days or so, but the 19 last day she would have access to the site was moved 20 up to March 28th, 2003, from April, I guess, 16th or 21 17th.
22 Were you part of any discussions 23 surrounding why that occurred?
24 No, sir.
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32 1 well do you know Kim Harbin?
2 ).Certainly not from a personal 3 standpoint, but I had probably weekly, maybe bi-weekly 4 contact with her the whole time she was here.
5 Primarily associated with the expenses end 6 of it. Her expenses, her time sheets, you know, 7 instructions on how she should show this and that on 8 her time sheet.
9 I felt like I knew Kim pretty well.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you still 11 feel like you do?
12 I haven't had discussions with 13 Kim since she left here, so I still think I know her 14 as well as I did before.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: During any of 16 those discussions with Kim Harbin, did she tell you of 17 any concerns she had raised regarding safety here at 18 the plant?
19 No, sir.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: In general, I'm 21 just going to use the word safety. Did she ever say 22 that she had raised such concerns to you?
23 No, sir.
24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did she ever (
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2,
- No, sir.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That managers 4 were making non-conservative safety decisions in the 5 plant?
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Oh, okay.
8 1) Ours was strictly, you know, 9 budget-related issues. Other than, you know, what did 10 you do over the weekend and, you know, how's your 11 family, this, that and the other.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: At any point did 13 she tell you, during one of these discussions you had 14 with her, that her position had been eliminated?
15 'No, sir.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I think 17 I'm pretty much done. I'm just going to look over my 18 notes one more time. It's 1:59, we'll take a short 19 break.
20 (Whereupon, the foregoing matter 21 went off the record at 1:59 22 p.m., and went back on the 23 record at 2:01 p.m.)
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34 2 over from him fter ýleft the company?
3 actually went to 4 corporate and took over t e IT Department up there.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
6 ~~ was,* W w was 7 actually a down here and went up to 8 Newark as-9 The job. that. )! filled down here 10 replacing was a(
11 12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Same job, lower 13 title?
14 Same, essentially the same job 15 at a lower position.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did 17 ever discuss, in your presence, the nature of Kim 18 Harbin's job down here? Whether it was temporary, 19 rotational or permanent?
20 0.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did he ever talk 22 about that in your presence?
23 No.
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35 1 those records that I asked for.
2 - Right.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And you' re going 4 to get back with Mr. Keenan on that, okay?
5 . _ - :)Right.
5J 6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: If there's 7 something that you come across that I haven't asked 8 for, and you figure might be helpful to what I'm 9 looking at, please provide that also to Mr. Keenan so 10 that I get it.
11 - Okay.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Jeff, is there 13 something that you want to go over with your client?
14 MR. KEENAN: No, I don't think anything 15 further.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, it' s 2: 02, 17 this interview is concluded. Thank you.
18 _ Thank you.
19 (Whereupon, the foregoing matter 20 was concluded at 2:02 p.m.)
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