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| Site: | Salem, Hope Creek  |
| Issue date: | 08/04/2004 |
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9 BOB CORDREY 10 (CLOSED) 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 at 9:45 a.m.
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On Behalf of Bob Cordrev:
JEFF KEENEN General Solicitor PSEG Services NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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P R O C E E D I N G S 2
10:45 a.m.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Today's date is 4
August 4, 2004.
My name is Jeffrey Teator.
I'm the 5
Senior Special Agent with the United States Nuclear 6
Regulatory Commission, Office of Investigations. It's 7
approximately 10:45 in the morning. This morning I am 8
interviewing Mr. Bob Cordrey.
9 Is that how you pronounce it?
10 MR. CORDREY:
Yes.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Is that 12 correct?
And this interview is taking place in a 13 first floor conference room in the TB2 Building 14 located at Salem Hope Creek Nuclear Generating Station 15 in Hancock's Bridge, New Jersey.
16 Mr. Cordrey, prior to going on the record, 17 did I present you with my credentials?
18 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And did I 20 explain to you that this is a voluntary interview?
21 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Knowing that 23 it's voluntary, do you wish to go forward?
24 MR. CORDREY:
Yes.
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Do you have any objection, this morning, to providing sworn testimony?
MR. CORDREY: No sir.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Raise your right hand for me, please.
Mr.
- Cordrey, do you swear that the information that you are about to provide to me is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Thank you. Mr.
Cordrey, you're being interviewed today as a fact witness in an investigation I'm conducting into an issue that occurred on September 21, 2002.
What the NRC understands happened that day is that there was a steam leak in the plant, the steam leak was getting worse.
Plant conditions were changing and at some point the Lwho wasn't normally working that shift, went out and closed a valve which stopped the steam leak.
MR. CORDREY: That is correct.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And my understanding is you were present withfhir@ when h v closed the valve, stopping the leak?
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MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And I'm going 3
to interview you today regarding your knowledge of why 4
id that, how that occurred, how that was 5
communicated to the Control Room, things of that 6
nature.
And you're just being interviewed as a 7
witness and I'd ask if you're sure of something, 8
please tell me it that way.
9 MR. CORDREY:
Okay.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: If you're not, 11 you're speculation, you believe, you think, please 12 describe it that way also.
13 MR. CORDREY: Yes sir.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
But 15 before going into the actual questioning on that 16 matter, I'd like to get some background information 17 about you.
18 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Can you spell 20 your last name for the record, please?
21 MR. CORDREY:
Sure.
My last name is 22 Cordrey, C-O-R-D-R-E-Y.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And your first 24 name is Bob and your date and place of birth, please?
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born in the City of 2
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And what is 3
your Social Security Number?
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CORDREY:
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And your home 6
address, please?
7 MR. CORDREY: My current home address is 8.
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11 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How far is that 13 from the plant?
14 MR. CORDREY:
As the crow flies, not too 15 far because you can see the cooling tower, but it's 16 about 55 minutes.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
You've got to 18 go up and over the bridge?
19 MR. CORDREY:
Yes.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you have to 21 go over that bridge that's in the northern part of 22 Delaware?
23 MR.
CORDREY:
The Delaware Memorial 24 Bridge?
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Bridge.
2 MR.
CORDREY:
No, I live north of the --
3 what is called the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right, that's 5
the one I was --
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of the canal, you are considered from slower, lower 8
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Okay.
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CORDREY:
The pace is a little 11 different in that part.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did you say 13 lower and slower?
14 MR. CORDREY:
Slower and lower.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay, I'll 16 remember that.
17 MR. CORDREY:
There's actually a website 18 for that.
You can buy paraphernalia, it's usually 19 represented by a turtle.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay, that 21 makes sense.
Lower --
22 MR. CORDREY:
Slower and lower.
That's 23 correct, sir.
24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And your home 25 phone number, please?
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MR. CORDREY; SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Have you ever served in the United States military?
MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
What branch?
MR. CORDREY:
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
What years did you serve in the m_
MR. CORDREY:
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And your rank and rating upon discharge?
MR. CORDREY:
I was a SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Nuclear qualified?
MR. CORDREY:
Nuclear qualified.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Subs or surface?
MR.
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CORDREY: < u3face.
NEC33 B SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
What was the name of the shil MR.
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CORDREY:
USS Eisenhower.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Carrier?
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Yes sir. ?BN6 9 )
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highest rating in the Control Room? Did you operate the nuclear plant?
MR. CORDREY: f was a senior N rate person on a surface carrier is considered reactor technician.
I was qualified reactor operator and shutdown reactor operatoj SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay. Did you receive an honorable discharge?
MR. CORDREY:
I received an oni SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And have you attended college?
MR.
CORDREY:
Yes sir.
I have an 6 ssociate's Degree from Delaware Technical Community College in Engineering Technology, (1
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graduated from the University of Maryland, University College in 1995 with a Baccalaureate in Technology Managements)
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
When were you hired to work at PSEG?
MR. CORDREY:
My date of service entry was 6arch 17, 19 9-SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And prior to then where did you work?
MR. CORDREY:
I worked for seven years, 7-I.
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three months for the Baltimore Gas and Electric 2
Company at the Calvert Cliffs Nuclear Power Plant.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Were you a 4
licensed reactor operator at Calvert?
5 MR.
CORDREY:
Yes sir.
I was --
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Senior?
7 MR. CORDREY:
No, I was just a board 8
operator.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Reactor 10 operator.
11 MR. CORDREY: k cense number 1105 12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
You've 13 got a good memory.
14 And you were hired here at Salem Hope 15 Creek on&irch 17, 1997-16 MR. CORDREY:
That is correct.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Are you 18 currently a licensed operator?
19 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You must be SRO 21 here?
22 MR. CORDREY:
That is correct, sir.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
When did you 24 obtain your SRO license?
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License number is t356 D (
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did you serve 3
as a reactor operator here also?
4 MR. CORDREY:
No, I am not an upgrade.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Instant.
6 MR.
CORDREY:
I'm an instant SRO, that is 7
correct.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And has your 9
license remained in effect since March 1999?
10 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
11 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Have you 12 attended requal., passed requal.?
13 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
14 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And all that 15 stuff?
16 MR.
CORDREY:
Yes sir.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.. And your 18 current job title, please?
19 MR.
CORDREY:
Currently, Control Room 20 Supervisor, CRS.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Whose shift do 22 you work on?
Who is your manager?
23 MR.
CORDREY:
I don't work for a
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There are currently three SROs assigned to that task.
We kind of work out our own hours.
As long as we cover --
we try to cover from 4 in the morning until 9 or 10 o'clock at night because that's typically when we have the major activities going on in the plant.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did that position replace work control?
MR.
CORDREY:
- Actually, this is in addition to that.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. What do you do as a Field Supervisor?
MR. CORDREY: Oversee the field activities in both maintenance and operations, act as a trouble shooter for the shift manager.
My primary job right now is to reinforce the standards in the field. That was the purpose of creating the field supervisors initially was to ensure that we're actually doing in the field what we say we're doing.
This is in its infancy.
We've only been doing this for a couple of weeks.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. So are you supervising nonlicensed operators, mechanics, people of that nature?
MR. CORDFF3Y:
That's correct.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
2 MR. CORDREY:
I have direct supervisory 3
oversight of NEOs.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
5 MR. CORDREY: For any mechanics or anyone, 6
just by the fact of my position in the organization as 7
an SRO.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
All 9
right, what I'm going to be talking to you about is an 10 incident that happened on September 21, 2002.
11 And during that shift there was a steam 12 leak.
13 MR. CORDREY: That is correct.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you remember 15 that?
16 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Were you 18 working that night?
19 MR. CORDREY: Yes sir, I was the --
it was 20 the night shift and I don't know remember whether it 21 was a four or a three day. I was the work control SRO 22 on bravo shift. Van Ford was the shift manager. 4 23 ho is the
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other than I know now the current methodology for our 2
management is whenever we move the plant, we typically 3
have some oversight from our management organization.
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incident that that was the reason wh was 6
there.
I thinv] f had just happened to come in late 7
that day and knew we had planned to move the plant 8
that night because we, in fact, were planning to come 9
down and take one of the feed pumps off to make a 10 repair, the nature of which I don't recall, but I do 11 believe it was something to do with one of the 12 vibration probes.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right, so Van 14 Ford was the shift manager.
He was responsible for 15 the shift, is that correct?
16 MR. CORDREY:
That is correct.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: An 18 19 MR. CORDREY: And I don't know if this is 20 (Inaudible)
Bill White was the Control Room 21 Supervisor. I do not recall the specific names of the 22 two board operators.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Was there 24 someone by the name of Bill Wallace working?
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it is possible that he was one of the two board 2
operators.
3 When I say NCO, he's a reactor operator.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you remember 5
him working that night?
6 MR. CORDREY:
I do not recall that, sir.
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And do you 8
recallr being on shift that night during X1 9
the steam leak incident?
10 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Let's talk 12 about that then.
Can you tell me a little bit about 13 what was being done to investigate what was causing 14 the steam leak and how the plant could stop the steam 15 leak? Maybe you could just talk about that a little 16 bit.
17 MR. CORDREY:
Sure, I'll fill you in on 18 what I know.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's fine, go 20 ahead.
21 MR. CORDREY:
We can talk about a little 22 bit more about the details.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Go ahead.
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and that was a planned evolution because we had 2
planned to take the feed pump offline.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
4 MR. CORDREY:
And I don't recall exactly 5
what the maintenance window was, but I do think there 6
was one of the vibration probes, at least in that 7
window.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
9 MR. CORDREY:
I do not remember if the 10 valve that actually the steam leak occurred on was the 11 manual isolation for the main steam supply to --
I 12 should know that.
I believe it's 21 because that's 13 the one that's closest to the 4KB group buses.
21 14 feed pump has two steam pipes.
Normally, it runs on 15 reheat, main steam supplies.
That particular valve 16 has actually had a number of leaks in the past because 17 if you go up and look at it, it had a number of leak 18 repair nozzles that had been put in the bonnet.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
20 MR. CORDREY:
I don't recall that at the 21 time we started moving the plant it, in fact, had an 22 active steam leak.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
24 MR. CORDREY:
In fact, that doesn't ring 25 a bell in my head.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
But at some 2
point it did start leaking.
3 MR. CORDREY:
At some point on the way 4
down, of course, steam header pressure goes up, as 5
you're taking the turbine off line.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
7 MR. CORDREY: The valve developed a steam 8
leak, the magnitude of which evidently was fairly 9
large because it was reported to the Control Room and 10 my initial exposure to it was to walk out on the 120 11 foot elevation and you could see the steam coming 12 through the grate.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
When you say 14 "evidently" it was large?
15 MR. CORDREY:
There was a large amount.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right, but when 17 you saw for yourself, did that confirm to you that it 18 was a large leak?
19 MR. CORDREY: Just from looking at it from 20 the 120 foot elevation, there was a lot of steam 21 coming up through the grate.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
23 MR. CORDREY:
Now I do not recall going 24 down to the 100 foot elevation at that time and 25 looking at it myself.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
2 MR. CORDREY:
I know I walked out on the 3
120 foot and said we have a large, what appeared to be 4
a large steam leak.
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So the valve 6
was on the 100 foot elevation?
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CORDREY:
That's correct.
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Okay, all 9
right.
Good.
10 MR. CORDREY: So I distinctively remember 11 going into the Control Room and Mr. Ford who is the 12 shift manager, he Control Room supervisor, I do not 13 know exactly how it was reported to them of where the 14 steam leak was.
I assume it was the secondary 15 operators that hey, this is where the leak is and then 16 based on the isolation point and looking at the 17 operations working drawing, the only way to isolate 18 steam on the upstream side of that is to shut the main 19 steam isolation valves.
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Okay.
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Which would require us to 22 take the reactor off line.
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doing anything by Mr. Ford?
2 MR. CORDREY:
No.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Go ahead.
4 MR. CORDREY: Not at all.
I do not know.
5 I do not have any recollection of what action --
I 6
don't believe there was any action by anybody to go 7
actually attempt to close the valve at that time, 8
based on the fact that what was reported to the 9
Control Room on the sides of the steam leak, no. But 10 again, at this time I do not recall going down to the 11 100 foot looking at it myself.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
13 MR. CORDREY:
Or if I did, I didn't go 14 down on the side of the valve.
I went down the steps 15 that's over by the elevator which is across the deck 16 from it, just looking from afar.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
18 MR. CORDREY: Not actually getting up to 19 the valve and looking at it.
20 I do know there was some discussion about 21 what can we do, what do we have to do to take --
to 22 isolate the leak and that would be we know we've got 23 to take the reactor off and we'd have to initiate a 24 main steam line isolation.
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Right.
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MR. CORDREY:
If we were not able to 2
isolate the leak.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
4 MR. CORDREY:
I do know that there was 5
some angst in the Control Room based on the fact that 6
as the moisture in the turbine building collected, we 7
did pick up an alarm that had to do ground alarms, and 8
one with a concern --
on Unit 2 there's an alarm that 9
says 4KV about group bus transfer.
The alarm manual 10 will tell you exactly what the implications of having 11 that alarm is, but just way off the top of my head 12 that tells me that okay, if we take the plant off-13 line, we're not really sure if we trip the turbine the 14 group bus is going to swap over to the in-house 15 station power transfer or are they all going to 16 transfer over and are we going to keep the rad cooling 17 pumps running.
18 That in and of itself, nobody likes to go 19 to loss of force circulation. That's an action that's 20 well bounded by the safety analysis.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
22 MR. CORDREY: I do remember distinctively 23 sitting out at work because a decision hadn't been 24 made from the Control Room one way or the other which 25 way to go.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
How long was 2
this decision making going on, on which way to go 3
before a decision was made to shut the plant down, 4
approximately how long?
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CORDREY:
If memory serves me 6
correctly, I know Van directed Bill to continue with 7
the power reduction.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Bill White?
9 MR. CORDREY:
Bill White.
As previously 10 discussed.
We knew we had to come down and get the 11 feed pump off anyway.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
13 MR.
CORDREY:
I do not recall direction 14 being given to take the plant off line.
I do not 15 recall that.
I didn't spend a great deal of time in 16 the Control Room in the decision making process about 17 which way we were going to go.
At least it doesn't 18 ring a bell to him.
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f shift, I do remembe jv asking me, hey, 22 I want to go down and see if we can shut that valve.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
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CORDREY:
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going to go down and shut the valve or why4 tfelthfh 3
needed to shut the valve and not having an EO do it.
4 Typically, when you get supervisors involved with 5
doing tasks, that's generally not the way that we do 6
business.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
It can be a 8
problem with the union.
9 MR. CORDREY:
It can become a problem, oh 10 yeah, that's a very touchy subject with the union 11 group.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
13 MR. CORDREY:
What I think happened and 14 this is just conjecture between the time that I saw 15 the steam leak before from the 120 foot elevation and 16 perhaps looking at it from the other side over by the 17 elevator from a distance, I think the lagging pad blew 18 up because it had a lagging pad around the bonnet.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
20 MR. CORDREY:
And then when we went down 21 next to where these --
on Unit 2 --
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: "We" meaning --
23 MR. CORDREY:
7-nd myself. No one 24 else was with us.
25 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
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MR. CORDREY:
Okay. There is a platform 2
there to get up to the valve. Okay? Based on what I 3
could see it looked like with the lagging pad off the 4
steam was blowing out towards the feed pump.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
6 MR. CORDREY:
It didn't look like it was 7
hampering in any way wher4heas physically going to 8
go up to shut the valve.
9 roceeded to go up and shut the valve.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
You sav+iiB 11 close it?
12 MR. CORDREY:
I sa4(hiylose the valve, 13 that's correct.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How did he get 15 up there to close it?
16 MR. CORDREY:
There's a platform there.
17 Now if memory serves me correctly, f is average 18 size, I don't know if that valve actually, that 19 platform actually gets you as close as you want to, 20 but he may have stood on the lower rail on the hand 21 rail.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
23 MR. CORDREY: May have.
I don't --
that 24 picture --
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he could shut the valve. I think you can do that from 2
standing on the platform, but I can validate that if 3
you want to ask me --
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
If I do, I'll 5
get back.
6 MR. CORDREY:
He went up and shut the 7
valve.
I stayed down on the deck.
Because the only 8
thing he asked me to do was --
you're going to be my 9
safety man. He did not ask me to tell anybody what he 10 was doing because I don't know if he had actually told 11 Van what he was going to do.
12 I do know that af ter he got the valve, 13 just about actually got the valve shut by hand, the 14 steam leak, while it had diminished somewhat, hadn't 15 stopped.
I know that Van came behind me.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
17 MR. CORDREY:
And I don't know what 18 prompted him to go downstairs. He may have known 19 was going down --
I kind of find that hard to believe 20 because I don't think Van would have let M shut the 21 valve because he's a supervisor.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
23 MR. CORDREY:
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trying to ge attention, okay, you shut 2
the valve, it's not working.
Let's back away.
I 3
didn't corroborate this with Van later, but that's 4
kind of the gist that I got because he was trying to 5
get his attention.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
7 MR. CORDREY: Now once he put the cheater, 8
uh, valve leveraging device, manual, used to sometimes 9
operate valves that are hard to unseat or --
once he 10 put that valve leveraging device and gave it a turn 11 the steam leak stopped.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
So when he 13 stopped do you recall what Van Ford said to 14 15 MR. CORDREY: After it stopped? No, I do 16 not.
I do know --
if memory serves me correctly, I do 17 remember Van trying to get his attention when the 18 valve was shut, but the steam leak, while somewhat 19 diminished was still coming out at a rather large 20 rate.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Steam is coming 22 out, could it be possible that*
idn't hear him?
23 MR. CORDREY:
Yes.
That is correct.
24 Because with the steam there and the noise there in 25 turbine building, that's quite plausible.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
2 MR. CORDREY: Because you'd almost have to 3
yell at him to get that.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Now when --
do 5
you recall during any of that discussion where Van is 6
beside you or behind you talking to do you 7
recall Van saying at any point something to the effect 8
of what are you doing? I didn't know you were 9
doing this.
You should have told me you were doing 10 this. " Do you recall him saying anything like that to 11 12 MR. CORDREY: Not to my recollection, no.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right. Now 14 step back for a minute.
15 MR. CORDREY:
Okay.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Let's go back 17 to before comes to the work control 18 office and gets you.
Were you present for when Van 19 Ford was briefing the Control Room about how they were 20 going to take the plant down?
21 MR. CORDREY: No, that does not --
I don't 22 recall --
I do recall being in the Control Room when 23 we looked at the OWD and realizing that the only way 24 you can isolate that steam leak on the upstream side 25 is the main steam --
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What does OWD 2
stand for?
3 MR.
CORDREY:
Operations Work Control 4
Room, PNID.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Drawing.
6 MR. CORDREY:
The steam line, the steam 7
drawing on the main steam system because the main feed 8
pumps, there's main steam supplies off the main steam 9
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
11 MR.
CORDREY:
And the only upstream 12 isolation is the steam stops. So at 90 percent power, 13 you can't just shut the steam stops to keep the 14 reactor on line.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
When 16 comes to the Work Control Office, you're in 17 there, correct?
18 MR. CORDREY:
I'm standing.
There's a 19 desk around it and I'm standing just --
I'm standing 20 there. I don't remember exactly what I was doing, but 21 I do remember just standing there an
§)getting my 22 attention and say, whey, I want to go down and try to 23 shut that valve."
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positive as you can about wha Jsaid to you.
2 What did he say?
3 MR. CORDREY:
I want to go down and --
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Shut the valve?
5 MR. CORDREY:
Take a look at it.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Which is it or 7
can you say?
8 MR. CORDREY: I can't --
to be honest with 9
you.
I can't say definitively with 100 percent 10 accuracy that those were the exact words he said.
11 Hey, I want to go down to see if I can shut the valve.
12 I do know he wanted me to go with him to 13 act as his safety man, so that to me that kind of 14 infers he may have saw it, he may have looked at it 15 before he came and got me.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
17 MR.
CORDREY:
And realized that the 18 lagging pad had come off of it and felt that it was 19 safe to approach it.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
But you don't 21 know that?
22 MR. CORDREY:
That, I don't know that.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: So what can you 24 say for sure th aid to you?
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and be my safety man.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay, you can 3
say that.
All right, 100 percent?
4 MR. CORDREY:
Yes.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right, and 6
what do you believe he said to you about what he was 7
going to do with the valve?
8 MR. CORDREY:
I believe that because he 9
wanted me to go with him as his safety man, that he 10 had in his mind, he felt that he could take the action 11 to shut it.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
13 MR. CORDREY:
And in all due respect, I hi
.14 think ntentions were good.
I mean he saw a 15 steam leak in the plant because we're getting group 16 alarms on the four TB buses (Phonetic).
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
18 MR. CORDREY: So we know we have a concern 19 here.
We're just letting the steam go, what are we 20 going to do about it? He felt well, the best thing to 21 do would be to isolate the leak.
That was the best 22 course of action because taking a plant trip is not 23 the thing you do.
There was some concern about 24 whether we would lose one, two, three, or four reactor 25 coolant pumps.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
When 2
you and 0^
"iare making your way toward where IC 3
the valve is, did he make any statements to the effect 4
of I told Van that I'm doing this, Van knows I'm doing 5
this?
6 MR. CORDREY: No sir.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Your shift 8
knows I'm doing this?
9 MR. CORDREY: No sir.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did he make any 11 statement to the effect of Van does not know I'm doing 12 this? The shift does not know I'm doing this?
13 MR. CORDREY:
No sir.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did he make any 15 statement to that effect?
16 MR. CORDREY:
Either way.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you see the 18 difference?
19 MR. CORDREY: Right. I do not know. When 20 we left the 120 foot elevation on the work control 21 center, going down to the valve, whether he had talked 22 to Van or he hadn't talked to Van.
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know he was going to do that. Did Van speak to you --
2 MR. CORDREY:
No sir.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: About that at 4
all?
5 MR. CORDREY: NO sir.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
On what his 7
knowledge was of wha as going to do?
8 MR. CORDREY: No sir.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How about Bill 10 White?
11 MR. CORDREY: No sir.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. I'm 13 going to take a short break.
It's 11:07.
14 (Off the record.)
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
We're back on 16 after a short break.
It's about 11:10. We had just 17 a very brief discussion off the record, but Bob, going 18 back to that night there, were you made aware if a 19 decision had been made whether or not the plant was 20 going to be shut down, taking the MSIVs off and 21 shutting the plant down.
Were you made aware that 22 that decision had been made?
23 MR. CORDREY:
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Control.
2 MR.
CORDREY:
Yes sir 3
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you believe 4
that if Van Ford had made that decision that is where 5
we're going to take the plant, do you believe that you 6
would have been included and briefed?
7 MR. CORDREY:
Yes sir.
8 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Control Room 9
brief to discuss that evolution and how they were 10 going to get there?
11 MR. CORDREY:
I believe that's correct.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.
13 MR. CORDREY: I can only say that because 14 when we brief in the Control Room during the simulator 15 16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
17 MR. CORDREY:
Okay, typically, you don't 18 have a Work Control SRO there.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
20 MR.
CORDREY:
Just knowing Van, I'm 21 thinking that he would have had me there saying this 22 is where we're going and this is what we're going to 23 do.
24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
And 25 were you part of any such briefing that night?
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MR. CORDREY:
No sir.
2 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
3 Okay, were you interviewed by ECP regarding this?
4 MR. CORDREY:
No sir.
Ah, yes, I was.
5 Yes, I was.
That's right.
I think --
is it Tom Lee 6
(Phonetic)?
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I was going to 8
recall who interviewed you?
9 MR. CORDREY:
It's a guy that looks like 10 Rick Pasinkas (Phonetic).
I think it's Tom Lee. And 11 I think I remember distinctively giving what I just 12 told you about. I think Van would have done something 13 a little different if hadn't been there.
14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Why do 15 you believe Van would have done something differently 16 that night if/j ad not been there?
17 MR.
CORDREY:
Just my own personal 18 knowledge of having worked with Van for the past 15 19 years.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
21 MR. CORDREY:
Knowing that he had a 22 problem in the plant and he's very direct type of 23 person, very conservative shift manager.
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him hey, i hadn't been there would you have done 2
something different. I didn't want to put him in that 3
spot.
That wasn't my place to do that.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
That's your 5
belief though?
6 MR. CORDREY:
That's my --
I personally 7
believe that.
Unless, unless sometime between when 8
that decision was made and he got another report hey, 9
I think something changed down here.
We may be able 10 to shut the valve.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
All 12 right, I think we're almost finished here, really, 13 Bob.
It's 11:12.
I'm just going to take a short 14 break and look over my notes.
15 MR. CORDREY:
Sure, okay.
16 (Off the record.)
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay, it's 18 approximately 11:17 in the morning. And Mr. Cordrey, 19 I just want to make sure I understand your testimony 20 completely.
21 Were you present for a conversation where 22 informed Van Ford that he was going to go 23 close the valve?
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going to do or did not tell Van what he was going to Ir,
,4 L
2 do.
3 My own personal belief is knowing Van Ford 4
as well as I do, having known him for 15 years, I 5
don't --
I find it hard to conjecture that Van would 6
have gotten, bought in to a supervisor going down to 7
shut the valve.
8 That goes against his core.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
10 MR. CORDREY: I just don't see him saying 11 that that's okay when --
if it was obviously safe 12 enough for a supervisor to shut the valve.
It would 13 have been obviously safe enough for the normal --
it 14 wasn't an emergency where the supervisor had to 15 intervene himself.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
It's 17 11:19 in the morning. At this point, I don't have any 18 other questions for you.
If I do, can I just call you 19 and we'll be back down here again.
If you want to 20 review the transcript, call me and let me know, all 21 right? I appreciate your time today.
This interview 22 is concluded.
Thank you.
23 MR. CORDREY:
Okay.
24 (Whereupon, at 11:19 a.m., the interview 25 was concluded.)
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