ML062000217
| ML062000217 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Salem, Hope Creek  |
| Issue date: | 06/02/2004 |
| From: | NRC/OI |
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| 1-2003-045, FOIA/PA-2005-0194 | |
| Download: ML062000217 (29) | |
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.1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW
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I, INTERVIEW OF : Docket No. 1-2003-C '45 (CLOSED)
x Salem Hope dreek Nuclear Station Building TB 2 Conference Room 3 Hancock's Bridge, NJ Wednesday, June 2, 2004 The above-entitled interview was conducted at 1:02 p.m.
BEFORE:
0 Senior Special Agent: Jeffrey Teator iV'cor 3s dejtd In1olitatiofl 1ý R srecr R o0i nl mt'ioN Ac, Acd, exemption$,
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APPEARANCES:
On Behalf of the Witness Donald Ferraro, Esq.
Morgan, Lewis & Bockius, LLP i
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1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 1:02 p.m.
3 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Today's date 4 is June 2nd. The year is 2004. My name is Jeffrey 5 Teator. I'm a Senior Special Agent with the United 6 States Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Office of 7 Investigations. It's approximately 1:02 in the 8 afternoon.
9 This afternoon I'm interviewiA 10 This interview is taking place in the 11 building TB 2, Conference Room 13, at Salem Hope 12 Creek Nuclear Generating Station.
13 ior to you going on the 14 record, did I present you with my credentials?
15 es.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did I explain 17 to you that this is a voluntary interview?-
18 Yes.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Knowing it's 20 voluntary, do you wish to go forward?
21LYes.
22 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: (
23 you're being interviewed as a witness in an 24 investigation I'm conducting into potential 25 violations of 10 C.F.R. 50.7. Specifically, the NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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1 concern or allegation brought to the Commission is 2 that Kim Harvin's position was eliminate here at the 3 site because she raised nuclear safety concerns 4 and/or engaged in NRC protected activity, and that 5 caused her position to be eliminated.
6 I'm also looking at whether her last day 7 her on this site was moved up from April 16, 2003 to 8 March 28, 2003 because she raised such concerns.
9 That's what you're going to be interviewed about.
10 And again, you're considered a witness 11 in the investigation. No one's accused you of doing 12 anything wrong at all, and I'm not aware of any 13 information to leads me to believe you participated 14 in any deliberate misconduct in this matter.
15 You are represented by counsel today.
16 Counsel, if you could identify yourself for the 17 record, please, and explain your representaiton?
18 MR.- FERRARO: Yes. My name is Donald 19 Ferraro. I work for the law firm of Morgan Lewis in 20 Washington, D.C., and I'm here working in the Legal 21 Department of PSEG instead of Jeff Keenan, who is 22 out of the office today. I'll be representing 23 24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Do you 25 also represent other -- potentially represent other
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1 individuals here at this site regarding what I'm 2 looking at?
3 MR. FERRARO: I have not in this matter 4 at this time.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
6 ** )does your employer require you to have counsel 7 represent you if you're interviewed by the Office of 8 Investigations? The key word is "required" there.
9 Yes, I understand. No, I'm 10 not required.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.
12 Were you in any way threatened with any type of 13 adverse action by your employer if you chose to not 14 have counsel represent you during this interview?
15No.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you 17 understand that you have a right to a private 18 interview by me if you wanted one?
19 Yes.
20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
21 Knowing all this, do you wish to go forward with 22 counsel present?
23 NYes.
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0 1 right hand for me please?
2 Whereupon, 3
4 was called as a witness and, having been first duly 5 sworn, was examined and testified as follows:
6 EXAMINATION 7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Thank you.
8 - your date and place of birth please?
9 4,6NN 10 11 / SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And your 12 Social Security number?
13 14 SR. SPECIAL.AGENT TEATOR: And your home 15 address please?
16 17 MA&'M-If 18 19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Your home 20 phone number please?
21 -- oh, I'd better not 22 give you that"one, because I just got it 23 disconnected. It would b 24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And what's 25 the zip code in NEAL R. GROSS C-COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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1 2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Have you ever 3 served in the United States military?
4 5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Have you 6 attended college?
7 For a year or two.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. At 9 some point, you were hired to work down here at 10 Salem Hope Creek?
11 Yes.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: When was 13 that?
14 15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Have you 16 remained continuously employed here since then?
17 18 SR. SPECIA AGENT TEATOR: What's your 19 current job title?
20 SR. SPII'm a T 21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How long ha*ve 22 you been aI 23 Four years.
24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Are you a lN 25 union member?
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2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Which union 3 is that?
4 5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
6 7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Are you an 8 officer or a 9 P IA'm anT 10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What's your 11 title?
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12 I'm on the 13 14 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What's that 15 mean?
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16 17 18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How long have 19 you been the for nuclear?
Vni Six years.
20 21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
- "Im an "ME 22 23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: When have you 24 got to run again?
25 7* Next year.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, all 2 right. Do you know Kim Harvin?
3 Yes.
4 L AGENT TEATOR: Do you 5 remember when you first met her?
6 Probably about four or five 7 years ago.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and 9 have you worked with her on any of the work she's 10 done here at the plant? Have you had to work with 11 her, interact with her?
12 I've interacted with her.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I know 14 she did some work involving the Salem nuclear 15 equipment operators. Those would be people who 16 would be in the union also?
17 :, Yes, okay.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Were 19 you part of, or interacted with her as part of her 20 work in that area?
21 l1I knew what she was doing. I 22 didn't interact with the -- I think we had a couple 23 of meetings where she might have attended, but other 24 than that, I never really did anything with her.
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1 an issue where went into the plant,
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4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:(
5 Right.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That caused, 7 from my understanding -- correct me if I'm wrong 8 please -- that caused some people in the union to 9 have a problem in what he did, because it may have 10 violated the work rules, because he's a manager. He 11 shouldn't be out in the plant, manipulating 12 equipment, yet he did do that.
13 And they were more worried 14 about the industrial safety, because it wasn't a 15 safe position to put yourself into.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. I 17 talked to a lot of people about what went on with 18 that issue, what was done. But did you have to 19 interact with her or work with her regarding her 20 involvement in that issue, and what was done in that 21 issue?
22 ' No, not with her 23 specifically.
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1 about it, but that's about it.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you 3 attend any meetings where she was present, engaging 4 people on what went on regarding that work, and the 5 effect it caused on certain people in Salem?
6 W) What she did was she actually 7 went to the EO's classrooms out of Recroft (ph), and 8 talked to them specifically. I didn't attend any of 9 those meetings. Then we, I probably had a couple of 10 meetings where it was brought up. She might have 11 been sitting in there.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did 13 any of your discuss with you the work 14 that she did in that area, or that she tried to do 15 in that area?
16 ) Yes. I've talked to a few 17 people about what she did at the meetings. Nobody 18 really knew what she did after the meetings.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I 20 guess what I'm trying to do, to start here, is to 21 get, from your perspective as /h 22 Yes.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I don't want 24 to get your title wrong.
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1 doesn't really matter. It's not important.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, it is 3 in a way, because I would think in your 7C...
4 would be reporting 5 things to you that they saw were good, bad, you 6 know?
7 . I knew about it before 8 anybody else did, about the* )
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes, and I 10 want to focus on that event. I want to focus on 11 what your knowledge is of the union's view of Kim 12 Harvin. Did they view her as a positive -- you're 13 smiling.
14Yes 15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Positive 16 force, negative force? Whatever it is, I'd like to 17 hear what you were hearing from your people 18 regarding --
19 ( Negative force.
20 SR. SPECI L AGENT TEATOR: Okay, and 21 could you tell me why?
22 They actually don't see 23 anything that she was doing constructively.
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1 viewed as negative, to me are two different things.
2 Negative means a destructive, bad presence. Not 3 being positive is something well, she's there.
4 Nothing's really getting done, big deal.
5 "We look at it different.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, well go 7 ahead and explain to me then, if you could.
8 The way we look, if you don't 9 get things done, you're not doing anything 10 constructive, and nobody saw anything that she did.
11 So it comes up to telling her it's not done, it's 12 like talking to the wall.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Now 14 was the general impression of most of --
15 The guys that talked to me, 16 yes, because they were wondering why she even 17 bothered coming out.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Can you give 19 me some of the names of the people who shared that 20 opinion with you?
21 \ I'd have to go back and look 22 through my e-mail, because I think I have them.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You do?
SYes.
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1 you're going to have to go through your attorney now 2 to give that to me.
3 Okay.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.
5 I'll go through the --
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Because I'd 7 like to get some -- frankly, I need some of the 8 names. I've got to corroborate certain things and 9 that's just how we do business.
10 Well, if you talked to her, 11 you should have the shifts that she talked to out at 12 the training center, and you could probably go back 13 and look at the shift that was on when°.
14 did it.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right, right.
16 But I'm more interested in thefdI10M. view of her 17 effectiveness regarding her work, then to --
18 focusing on th 19 Most of the time, whenever 20 she was at meetings, we never saw anything that she 21 did afterwards. I don't know what she did when she 22 took our issues, because nothing ever got done.
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1 -- let me finish. You're at these meetings. You're 2 doing things. We're not seeing anything positive 3 happening out of it. Did you ever communicate that 4 back to her?
5 b)Well, I know we were at 6 meetings where-she heard that we said that nothing 7 was ever getting done around here.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right, and 9 I've seen e-mails that have said that. But my 10 question is, did you ever communicate that back to 11 Kim, because we don't see any positive effect of you 12 being here, present, interacting over this issue?
13 I never said that to her.
14 SR. SPECI AGENT TEATOR: Do you know 15 if any of the othed 16 Don't know, tell you the 17 truth.
18 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. You're 19 going to get back to me of some of the names of your 20 aWMU*-*)who shared with you their view of 21 Kim's effectiveness at Salem?
22 )I'm going tot ry. I'd have 23 to look through the e-mails. I mean, it's almost 24 been two years now.
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1 know.
2 ( Ijust have a hard time 3 remembering names.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: If you have 5 names, they're important.
6 Okay.
7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. The 8 flip side of that question, you've to Ld me that's 9 the general view of the guys who were reporting to 10 you about Kim. Did you in turn share that with site II management leadership?
12 13 AGET TEATOR: If that type 14 of communication was made from the* Sto site 15 management, is there a chain of commar id in the union 16 that would do that, might do that? IE there someone 17 above you who may have done something like that?
18 Well, you can z if 19 he ever did, 20 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What would 21 his title be, 22BA 23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
24 s 07 25 Yes.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: So he'd be 2 the .. . that would be --
3 Yes. For down here, yes.
4 SR; SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Spell his 5 last name?
6 7 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And you're 8 the right? I've got that.
9 Yes.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.
11 I want to get this stuff 12 right.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Tell me 14 about, maybe a little bit more about your work 15 relationship with Dr. Harvin, Dr. Kim Harvin while 16 she was here?
17 18 about it.
§ ) I talked to her.
I-didn't have a relationship, That was really, a 19 working relationship. She has a different way of 20 dealing with things than I did.
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, all 22 right. Did you yourself think that her work with 23 the Salem NEOs was something positive? I'm asking 24 about your own opinion now?
25 No.
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1 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: No. All 2 right, and what's the basis for you answering?
3 , Nothing ever got done.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did 5 she ever commit to the Jthat she was going to 6 take issues and concerns to site management, site 7 leadership, to try and get them resolved? Did she 8 ever make that commitment?
9 -- She might have made it in 10 those classes to the EOs, but when I had meetings, 11 it was usually sitting with,4 )anyway.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: (
13 (ph)?
14 Yes.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What would 16 come up in those meetings? Can you share one 17 particular one with me that jumps out at you? Maybe 18 the-one where the 1 is talked about?
19 Well, we talked about that.
20 I'm trying to remember. Back then we had so many 21 issues. We had went out there, one meeting where we 22 sat down with'O 23 I'm trying to think if she was there.
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1 me a few minutes.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Want to take 3 a short break?
4 - Well, we talked about 5 everything with operations. We talked about theAM 6 We talked about the leadership. We talked about 7 getting things accomplished in the 12 hour1.388889e-4 days <br />0.00333 hours <br />1.984127e-5 weeks <br />4.566e-6 months <br /> shifts 8 that were always disagreed upon.
9 Everything that we ever did during those 10 two or three-year period never got settled at all.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Was she, was 12 Kim Harvin acting as a go-between between theQ 13 and site management over those types of issues?
14 don't know what she did, in 15 all honesty, because you never see any -- I know if 16 she just took her issues and then went and sat in a 17 room. I don't know if she took the issues and went 18 and sa 19 I don't know if they had little meetings 20 afterwards, because when we got done our meetings 21 with "or with (ph), we just would 22 hope to get a response back.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Would 24 you?
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1 predicament we're in now.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did Kim 3 Harvin ever make a statement to the effect that she 4 was going to champion the *concerns to 5 management?
6 I think I've heard that 7 before. I don't know if I heard it from her or the 8 NEOs.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What might 10 have you have heard?
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- That she was going to 12 champion, she was going to drive the issues.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you ever 14 see that being accomplished?
15 16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you ever 17 participate in any kind of meetings or discussions 18 where Kim Harvin was present, where she indicated 19 that she was getting negative feedback from her 20 management because of her raising such issues to her 21 management?
22 \ No, I never heard that.
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24 From her.
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1 know what I'm looking at here. Kim's position was 2 eliminated. It's been alleged that it was 3 eliminated because she raised some of those 4 concerns, the NEOs' concerns, and other concerns.
5 Production over safety, non-concerted decisionmaking 6 occurring inside the plant. Had you ever heard her 7 talk about concerns she had in those areas?
8 Concerns herself?
9 No.
10 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Are you aware 11 of any evidence that or information which you 12 believe indicates that her position was eliminated 13 because she raised such concerns?
14 * " No.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: The second 16 part of that, that she was informed on March --
17 February 26, 2003, that her job was being 18 eliminated, and she got 45 days to find another job.
19 The understanding was that she was going to work the 20 full 45 days, but her last day was moved, and her 21 last day was March 28, 2003.
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1 J No, never heard anything.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Never heard 3 anything. How about Did he ever 4 comment on Kim leaving, the reasons why her position 5 was eliminated? Did you ever --
6 * \ I think all of us found out 7 that last nigli that she was going.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right, after 9 the fact. She's gone. I'm thinking maybe there's 10 discussion?
11 No, we didn't talk about it 12 at all. I'msterious.:
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Why was that?
14 Any particular reason?
15,Well, if you never see 16 anything get done, why does somebody have a job?
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: It's 1:20 in 18 the afternoon and I'm going to take a very short 19 break.
20 (Off the record.)
21 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay, we're 22 back on the record. It's about 1:22 after a very 23 short break. We had a brief discussion off the 24 record.
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23 1 that Kim Harvin was doing down here, did the"AMW 2 at Salem -- are you just a Salem guy or you 3 do both sites?
4 I do both sites.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I'll 6 say the- n general, here down at the
'7Q-7 site then. Based on input you received from the the nuclear equipment operators, did 8
9 they view Kim's efforts as being beneficial?
10 O I would think -- I hate to 11 answer for them.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You can --
13 If I can generalize, I would 14 say probably 60 percent probably thought it didn't 15 do any good, and 40 percent just kept on talking to 16 her, hoping that it would change.
17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Is 18 that based on what you're hearing from your 19 20 I mean they didn't throw her 21 out of their class when she came out to the training 22 center, so I would tend to believe they were hoping 23 something would change.
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1 the record?
2 Yes It was Dr. Love. She 3 used it.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Oh, she did?
5 Yes.
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. What 7 did that mean to the"I mean, maybe 8 you can explain it to me.
9 she just wanted everybody to 10 get along..
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I asked you a 12 question a little while ago about whether you had 13 shared your opinion, and/or the opinion of your 14 about Dr. Kim Harvin with site 15 management here. You said "no." You hadn't shared 16 that?
17 No, I never talked to 18 management about her.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How about 20 anyone over in HR? )?
21 ) No, I never talked to him 22 about her.
23 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Was it a --
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2b 1 viewed Kim Harvin? Was it a secret down here at the 2 site or was it --
3 ** I think everybody on site 4 felt the samLe way.
5 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Why do you 6 say that?
7 I1\ Well, I mean she would cry at 8 meetings and things like that. It's an all-male 9 workforce. It's kind of hard to go into a meeting 10 and start crying, and then trying to get everybody 11 fired up for an outage or fired up.
12 It's just -- it's a different way of 13 looking at things. I mean, men are always used to 14 go to work and cry about going to work.
15 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did any of 16 your people come back and make that type of 17 complaint to you, that they were at a meeting and 18 that type of thing had occurred?
19 Well, I was at the OCC during 20 one of the outages. The Management and some of the 21 guys were at the meeting, and they were all sitting 22 around at a table like this. She was trying to get 23 everybody fired up to get the outage done on time.
24 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Were you at 25 the meeting?
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~S~No.
2 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: But some of 3 your people were there?
4 No, it was all management.
5 It was CFCC guys (ph).
6 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Oh okay. Who 7 did you hear that from? Do you remember?
8 )I1 don't know when he said 9 that. I'm trying to remember who in the OCC was 10 there. That was three years ago.
11 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: The 2001 12 outage, one of them, right?
13 .Yes. It was probably her 14 first outage here. I can't remember. I just 15 remember hearing that.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Is there 17 something more? That's what I'm looking at. I 18 mean, I'm kind of fishing here a little bit with 19 you, because your name came up peripherally.
20 , Oh, I'm sure it did. It will 21 with any issue down here.
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27 1 or why her last day here was moved up?
2 Ig You'd have to ask that 3 one.
4 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Why do you 5 say that?
6 e's the one that, I guess, 7 fired her.
8 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: How do you 9 know that?
10 .. It was just through the rumor 11 mill.
12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. But 13 I'm asking you. Do you have any more information 14 that you could share with me today, regarding those 15 decisions that were made regarding Kim's employment, 16 and her last day being moved up?
17 I knew nothing that her --
18 she had even gotten a 145-day notice.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. I 20 think that's typical down here, though. When people 21 are laid off or given 45 day notices --
22 As much as we're downsizing 23 and putting people everywhere, and you can't keep 24 track.
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28 1 ask you this again. Are you aware of any 2 information which makes you believe that she was 3 removed, her position was eliminated and she was 4 removed from this site early because she raised 5 nuclear safety concerns t or others in 6 senior management?
7 No We always have you guys 8 to go to anyway.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes, you do.
10 \'Every one of us knows that, 11 and you know we haven't been shy about doing that 12 down here either.
13 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Fair enough.
14 You do have my card. Give me a call if you want to 15 -- if something pops in your head. But you're going 16 to go back to your computer --
17 It won't be today. It will 18 be tomorrow.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's fine.
20 You can pass --
21 \\ I've got to go through my 22 files.
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29 1 can't talk to you directly about this issue. Right?
2 Right.
3 SR. SPECIAL 'AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I 4 believe we're finished here. I don't think I have 5 anything else to ask. Don, is there something you 6 want to go over with with your client, something you 7 want to clarify?
8 MR. FERRARO: No, I don't think so.
9 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
10 anything else?
11 oe 12 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Anything. If 13 you have anything, please lay it on the table.
14- Well, I'll give you a holler 15 if I think of anything.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Can you think 17 of anything right now?
18 0.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.
20 It's 1:20. This interview is concluded. Thank you.
21 (Whereupon, at 1:20 p.m., the interview 22 was concluded.)
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