ML062000219
| ML062000219 | |
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| Site: | Salem, Hope Creek  |
| Issue date: | 06/09/2004 |
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OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS INTERVIEW x
IN THE MATTER OF:
INTERVIEW OF (CLOSED)
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Wednesday, June 9, 2004 Human---Resources-Dept-----
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- 20 The above-entitled interview war 21 at 3:36 p.m.
22 23 BEFORE:
24 Senior Special Agent JEFF TEATOR 25 Ith the Reed= 01 Ittrfatio° NEAL R. GROSS inacrdRI AGURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS Act, eempti s
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On Behalf of the Witness and PSEG Nuclear:
JEFFRIE KEENAN, Esquire Assistant General Solicitor PSEG
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June 9th.
The Teator.
I am a States Nuclear Investigations.
afternoon.
(3:36 p.m.)
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Today's date is year is 2004.
My name is Jeffrey senior special agent with the United Regulatory Commission Office of It is approximately 3:36 in the This afternoon I
am interviewing Mr.
The last name is spelled SThis interview is taking place in an office in the Human Resources Department in the building TB2 located at Salem Hope Creek nuclear
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you are being interviewed today as a
fact witness in the investigation
-conTduc-ting--i*nttta-vioLations ot 0 CFR 50.7 that were potentially committed against a former employee here named Kim Harvin.
Do you know who Kim Harvin is?
)es SR. SPECIAL AENT TEATOR:
Okay.
You're being interviewed as a witness.
Prior to going on the record, did I present you with my credentials?
Yes.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did I explain that this is a voluntary interview?
Yes, you did.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Knowing it is voluntary, do you wish to go forward?
- Yes, I do.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Do you have any objection this afternoon to providing sworn testimony?
~No, I do not.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Raise your right hand for me, please. (,,do you swear that the information that you are about to provide to
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truth?
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SR--SRPECIAL-AGENT-TEATORT-Th-ank-you.
- And, you are being represented by counsel today.
If counsel could identify themselves for the record,
- please, and explain your representation?
MR. KEENAN:
Yes.
My name is Jeff Keenan.
I am Assistant General Solicitor with PSEG Services.
Today I am representing(
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a conflict of interest.
If a conflict arises, we will 3
figure out how to best handle it.
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provide this voluntary testimony.
We do understand 6
that Ji*_..s a fact witness.
And we would like 7
the ability to review the transcript in the presence 8
of the NRC when it becomes available.
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Okay.
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- a few follow-up questions for you regarding 11 your representation.
Okay?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Does your 14 employer require you to have an attorney represent you 15 when you are interviewed by the Office of 16 Investigations?
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Were you in any 19 way threatened with any type of adverse action by your 20 employer if you did not request counsel to represent 21 you during this interview?
22No 23 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Do you 24 understand that you have a right to a private 25 interview by me if you wanted one?
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Knowing all of this, do you wish to go forward with counsel present?
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Yes, sir.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Thanks.
Could you give me your date and place of birth, please?
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Where were you born?
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
It's on the way down.
IRoute 540.
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Social Security number, ple'ase?
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SR.
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Have you ever served in the United States military?
- 0000rNo, sir.
SR.
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Have you attended college?
Yes.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Have you graduated from college?
Yes.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Which school?
SRT.-SPECIAL--IGENT-TEA'IOR:---What year?
SR.
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What was your I I degree in?
SR.
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Any further degrees?
~No.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
At some point were you hired to work here at the Salem nuclear generating station?
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When was that?
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At some point on --
what kind of are you on right
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I'm on SR.
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Is that up in Brick Township?
I don't know if you know where that is.
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That's further up.
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Nuclear?
Yes.
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SPECIAL" AGENT TEATOR:
Have you that position since I
held SR.
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When you left prior to taking this what was your 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 last job here at the plant?
I was a SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Which department?
It would be the Maintenance Department.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
And if at some point your job with th sends, will you have the ability to go back to work as an employee?
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I don't know if it would be my choice or --
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Do you get a term contract to work for ther....
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Not in length?
No?
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And when the time comes if I either don't do the job or they want to replace me with someone better, I come back to work.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
A new group.
Okay.
That's why we have it so we can come back to work.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
Okay.
Do you know Kim Harvin?
Do you know who she is?
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Can you remember when you first met her?
Well, she came down on the island some year back.
In the '98-'99 time frame is when I remember her coming down here.
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What kind of meetings?
The company would have management meetings that I was invited to.
They were the -- they started out, they were the --
ad I forget the name of the meetings.
Top management would be in there.
And we would be --
I was invited to sit in on the discussions about how we can make the plant better.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
And at any point from November '99 up until March 2003 --
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Uh-huh.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did you work with her on any particular assignments --
No.
SR.
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-- or projects or anything like that?
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Never did I have the opportunity to.
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Any type of regular interactions or contact over a specific issue or event?
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I'm being really general.
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The only time, I'd see her at meetings.
I'd see her.
You'd have discussions here and there about idle things but no --
there was never an assignment where her and I had to go work, go off and work together as a pair.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
Well, minus the only thing is she did get involved in some issues involving the nuclear equipment operators.
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There were some meetings where she was in that we were --
I say "we" that the was in.
And there were some that I asked her not to be in, specifically not to come to the meetings also, later on in her tenure or whatever you want to call it here.
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Why would you do that or why did you do that later on?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
What was your basis for having that feeling?
Well, when you start to deal with different management and you start working with them, you can feel who is going to get good and who isn't.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
elaborate specifically as to her?
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things that the industry has and stuff.
And I would 10 never see results come out of anything that she had 11 done.
That's just me.
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Right.
And in 16 talking about th-again for just a minute --
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Right.
So primarily it is my place.
Mrarely comes down.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
So when you have an opinion on something, I want to explore the basis for that and maybe whether others shared that same opinion.
So I just want to let you know that.
Okay.
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When you say things, I'm going to ask you --
About my --
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And if it's good information, bad 3
information, I don't really care.
But I need you to 4
tell me what you know about certain things.
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I guess things 7
we're going to get into are view of her 8
effectiveness, her trustworthiness, things like that.
9 When we get to talking about that, which we are going 10 to very shortly, I want you to tell me what you know, 11 who you heard it from, and the basis for what your
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All right.
You 15 made a comment, though, that -- and correct me if I am 16 wrong -- at some point, you asked her to not attend 17 certain kinds of meetings or certain meetings?
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meetings were 19 going on we were trying to --
now, at this point we 20 were trying to do --
let's back up a little bit.
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Yes.
22 Because I want to go back to 23 and I were developing a relationship.
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Kim had stopped me outside because she had the office right next door.
And she wanted to talk to me.
So I sat down with her.
And she went on about how happy she was that the relationship between the Man specifically myself, was getting along sowell.
And she physically started crying.
And I didn't feel comfortable in that position whatsoever.
You know, I'm not used to being in an environment where people start crying because they're happy about something, not on a nuclear site.
2C And I was as a matter of fact, I was nervous enough that I when we left the room, I was nervous that someone might see her with a -- out there crying, walking out of this room with me.
It would be like this leaving.
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Thinking you did something?
Yeah.
And I'm like --
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
When do you think that interaction occurred?
A I would say probably around, I guess, in the 2000, maybe '1 or 2000, that time frame.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
That far back?
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Okay.
All right.
At some point, though, did you make it a point to not invite her to certain kinds of --
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I did.
That would come later on.
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And I had no control over a lot of the meetings 2
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You had no 4
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such as we had some meetings with and 8
upper management with all the involved 9
in different departments.
We were trying to fix 10 things down here.
We really wanted to get things 11 right.
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remember one we had up at the 13 cafeteria and at the training center.
And she was 14 asked specifically not to come to that meeting.
She 15 was there.
And we asked that she not come into the 16 room.
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Who?
Who asked 18 her to not come into the room?
Was it you?
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And he asked who was 21 head of r not to that she was not 22 invited to be in the room with us.
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responsibility that we --
I don't know what she did, 7
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Can we lay a foundation if 11 she was invited?
Maybe that would be your question.
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You don' t know?
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when these meetings are set up and I'm 17 invited to them, I'm on the invited list.
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All I know is that the management person --
22 I imagine that she can go in the calendar and see what 23 meetings there are and show up there.
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Right.
Whether 25 she was invited or not?
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You specifically recall tha asked her --
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-- that she not attend the meeting?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
And, again, we're the rest of the station operators are pissed off about certain things.
We're trying to get things smoothed out.
And she --
we were walking down the hallway.
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I asked her not to attend.
And she wanted to come.
She didn't want to -- she didn't take my not inviting her.
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I didn't need Kim Harvin oror whoever else.
That was our job.
We were going to do something that day.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
) I didn't want her there because I, frankly, didn't trust her.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Well, okay.
I didn't trust her to go anywhere to do things like that.
That wasn't her responsibility to try to work things with the,*
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That's between me and the SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
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What was the basis for you having that feeling?
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And she would report back to at the meetings that we were in.
At the meetings where things were done, would get the response to how she felt people acted, what was said.
I don't know.
It's just how I felt.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Do you know if that ever happened?
I don't know for sure if it ever happened.
No, I do not.
You know, you have a gut feeling about people and --
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
It was just a feeling in my gut, you know.
It was not that I -- my relationship with her just wasn't that well that I trusted her at all.
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Did your relationship with her become that way after this one-on-one meeting where she started crying?
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And do you remember when those occurred?
They would be in
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SR.
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Two thousand.
All right.
No.
I'm sorry.
I'm thinking the Winter of 2002.
That would be December, February 2003, that time frame.
SR.
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I see.
You think February '03 time period?
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I think that was when 25 we started having those meetings then or we were 16 trying to have meetings.
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It was in that time frame.
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7 Right.
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Okay.
So you 9
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And you had the other meeting where 10 the head of HR is the one who ys 11 No. We don't invite her.
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Right.
Okay.
13 So you had the.
elling certain managers here at 14 the site, "We don't want Kim at this meeting"?
15 Yes.
16 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Now, did any of 17 those managers ask you why?
18 No.
No.
19 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
Did 20 you ever tell them why?
21 Not that I can remember.
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- Now, let me back up.
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Right.
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SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
1I said, "We're going in to fix something.
We don't need anyone else with us."
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did your ever inform you that Kim had been helpful in resolving issues they were having with operations management or other line management here at the plant?
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As a matter of fact, you talk about that, who is our I II 14 15 16 SR.
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And he was going to go and talk to the operators and 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 start trying to see what he could do.
There was a lot of unrest at the time with the operators at Salem, as you can --
if you can get what I'm saying.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Yes.
So he was trying to do interviews and see what he could do to help fix it.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
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That's fine."
Most of the 4
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Right.
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the operators.
I didn't know that was going on.
She 10 had done this herself.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
12 When I found out about it, 13 I asked that she not do that anymore or, else, not. to 14 respond anymore.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Did you tell 16 her?
17 I didn't tell her directly, 18 no.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Who 20 would you have --
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I can't tell our guys 24 not to do anything, but I wasn't going to support any 25 interviews with her not knowing where she was going.
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Right.
Would 3
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Reactor 10 operators also?
11 No.
The reactor operators 12 didn't have much time because they're in the reactors.
13 Nuclear equipment operators.
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But they're S15*
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17 SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
They are also?
18 Yes, they are.
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All right.
20 Most of our discussion up 21 there was with the NEOs.
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- Now, do you 23 know if the NEOs at Salem complied with your request 24 to not meet --
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Some didn't want to to begin with.
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How do you know 3
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4 They talked to me.
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Why didn't they 6
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Okay.
At any 10
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13 No, I didn't.
I never asked 14 what her title was.
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Did you know 16 what her title was?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
- Well, 21 you're smiling when you're saying that.
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I can't tell you who told me.
I don't --
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SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
But there was no -- she was not a manager.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Yes?
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Is he still the
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Did he ever share with you his view of Kim Harvin's usefulness, trustworthiness, things of that nature?
,'No, never.
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How about your Anybody in particular?
The one mostly that I dealt with' who was my down here at the time.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Did he share with you his view or impression of Kim's --
We talked about --
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Yeah.
We would talk about it.
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Okay.
And do you recall what he told you regarding that?
We both had the same feeling, that-she was ineffective in whatever it was that she was trying to accomplish because we didn't know.
She was on our agenda in my opinion.
We didn't know what she was trying to do.
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Right.
I've seen mention that people were fearful of opening up to her, telling her things.
Did any of your*
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Not that I know of.
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SPECIAL 'AGENT TEATOR:
Did you have such a concern?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Yes.
Myself you're talking about?
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I didn't know what she was all about.
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How?
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Right.
1 "Be careful.
Dr. Love might 12 hear us" or, you know, that type of thing.
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Would you have 14 general discussions or conversations with 15 about --
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17 No.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
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Kim's usefulness, 21 effectiveness.
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Right.
I'm not saying that it's like a formal complaint the <,
brought against Kim, but would you have shared your impressions of Kim Harvin withw A little bit maybe, yeah.
S1Z.
SPECIAF AGENT TEATOR:
Anybody else on the management side of the house?
No.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
the joke was about Dr. Love.
Tell me --
Tell me what That's because she's going to be here to fix everything.
I still don't know what she was here to fix.
She was Dr. Love.
You know, spread the joy and everything will be hunky-dory and that's what the culture transformation is supposed to be all about.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Do you know why she was tagged with that, that nickname?
No.
SR.
SPECIALIAGENT TEATOR:
Was it common for people to cajll her that?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
It's 6
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We're going to take a short break.
And 7
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Okay.
Let me just clarify 9
something.
When I was meeting with'i early on, 10 I may have triggered him in terms of Kim's title.
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Okay.
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So maybe that will be helpful 13 for the record.
I didn't want to --
14 I had heard that before, 15
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manager.
Jeff 16 mentioned it upstairs to me, but I wasn't asked 17 specifically that.
Jeff did mention that, but that 18 wasn't where I heard it originally.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
You heard it 20 someplace else?
21 Yeah.
I deal with a lot of 22 23 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Before today?
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Oh, yes.
Back then.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
Let's 5
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What did you hear from 6
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usefulness?
Can you recall anything?
8 Now you've put me on the 9
spot for names.
The next thing would be, right?
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Probably, yes.
11 That's where I usually go.
12 I thought so.
13 SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Yes.
You can 14 understand that.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
19 Right now he's an 20 We have talked about Kim.
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she didn't bring anything to 2
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
What's your 4
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How long has he 7
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8 Probably 15 years.
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Any other 10 managers?
Did you hear good or bad about Kim?
12 Most of them would hold 12 their opinions.
They would reserve them.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Do you recall 14 any of the managers here at the site saying positive 15 things about Kim in her job and her work?
.16 That I've never heard.
17 SR. SPECIALT. AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
All 18 right.
It's 4:02.
We'll take a short break.
And 19 then we'll come back.
I think we're pretty close to 20 being done in a little bit, really.
Okay?
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Her 23 job was eliminated.
Okay?
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The NRC has determined that she has engaged in protected activity.
She raised concerns that the commission viewed are nuclear safety concerns.
Otherwise I wouldn't be here.
I wouldn't be doing this.
I'm just wondering --
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
During the
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We can take a break.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Well, then go 15 ahead.
Let's hear what you --
16 mom I don't have anything that 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 was safety-related, safety-conscious work environment type things.
You're alluding to it, I guess.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Well, that's pretty much what her protected activity is raising
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Okay.
And never in the it will be this July --
have I ever encountered a person who didn't bring us a nuclear safety item to the forefront.
So I don't know.
Would she have brought it to upper management?
I don't know that.
Anything I have ever had to deal with around that we have always stood behind the guys if they felt that they had an issue.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Let me ask you this, are you aware of any information which leads you to believe that her job was eliminated because she raised nuclear safety concerns?
I would have no -- you know, I would have no clue to that.
I'm not in management.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
It's a "Yes" or "No" question.
Oh.
No, no.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Are you aware of any information which leads you to believe that her last date here was moved up because she raised such concerns to management?
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Until when?
Until after she was gone.
Somebody said, "Kim doesn't even work here anymore."
SR.
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So how would you answer the question I asked you, then?
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Then no, I wouldn't know of anything because I didn't know she was even --
I know okay.
No, I don't know of any.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Let's take a short break.
And we'll come back on the record.
It's 4:05.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
It's about 4:15 in the afternoon.
Just a few ending questions here.
Could you clarify?
You mentioned a comment before about your gut feeling regarding Kim Harvin.
Maybe you can expound on that and provide the basis for why you had that gut feeling or whatever it was.
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So I'd have a lot of interaction with a lot of people.
And I try to get the feel for the people and what their concerns are, what everything is.
And you fix those problems.
I didn't feel that Kim was doing anything effective enough to fix anything that was going on down here at the time.
I just didn't get that feeling that she was that concerned with fixing.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Oh, really?
I didn't.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
wYou know, there was a lot of people at that time at this plant, too, that were in and out.
You feel resume builders, and you feel people who are concerned.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Of those two, what did you feel she was?
M i I felt at times she was just a resume builder.
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It wasn't her role.
It wasn't her responsibility that we knew of.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Right.
Did any of the say to you that they were fearful of talking openly to Kim Harvin about things?
Yes.
They were worried about that.
Again, getting back to the point of it all goes back to' SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
ItN's just there was a
report.
It wasn't a fixing of anything.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Anybody in
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particular who voiced that concern to you?
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an
- atSalem, He was an Now, as I say, he's You want names like that?
These guys, people I had to deal with, weren't -- they didn't feel like they should openly --
we wouldn't talk as open in a room with her as they
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I wouldn't talk to a or--
or to with her in the or aaON room as freely as I would otherwise.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Really?
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Okay.
Jeff, is there something you want to clarify with your client?
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
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Mms')
Yes.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
You are represented by counsel
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If you have something that comes to mind that you think might be helpful, please let Jeff know.
And he can pass it on to me.
And if I need to, we can all get back together and go over it.
All right?
Just so you know, I wouldn't be upset to let Jeff know that I'm coming to see you or talk to you myself directly.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
That's between you and Jef Keenan.
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Yeah.
That's right.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
That Jeff.
A1 Yes.
That's who I mean.
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Give me a call.
It's fine with me."
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
I don't have any final questions, but,
- again, I appreciate your time.
- know, firir too.
it's with I just wanted to let you
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- g her down here.
I had nothing to do with that, You said about the date being moved up.
And all a management decision.
I had nothing to do that.
And I didn't even know that she was on the chopping block or know that she was moved up or, as I said, I didn't realize she was going or that she was going.
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I have no idea.
I didn't even --
I didn't bother asking.
At the time we had a lot of people whose positions were eliminated.
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Well, let me ask you this, was the q generally happy with the news that Kim Harvin was no longer working here at the site?
I was.
I was.
Personally I was.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Why?
I don't know about the rest of thai Because --
I go back again --
I didn't know what she was here for and her effectiveness was she did nothing that I
knew of to help the situations that were based down here.
SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
All right.
Okay.
kil....
okay.
SR. SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
It's about 4:18 in the afternoon.
Is there something more --
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SR.
SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
you gentlemen want to add?
MR.
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No, nothing further.
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SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:
Okay.
This interview is concluded.
Thank you.
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.11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 45 (Whereupon, at 4:18 p.m.,
the foregoing matter was adjourned.)
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