ML060690402

Interview Transcript of Polonczyk

ML060690402
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Site:	Salem, Hope Creek
Issue date:	08/10/2004
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1 1 . UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 2 NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISS ION 3 + + + + +

4 OFFICE OF INVESTIGATIONS 5 INTERVIEW 6 ------- __-----------x 7 IN THE MATTER OF:

8 INTERVIEW OF Docke t No.

9 ALAN POLONCZYK 1-200 4-002 10 (CLOSED) 11 -__----------------x 12 13 Tuesday, Augu st 10, 2004 14 Resident Insp ector's Office 15 Salem Hope Cr eek Station 16 Hancock's Bri'dge, NJ 17 18 19 The above-entitled interview wass conducted at 20 3:40 p.m.

21 22 BEFORE:

23 Senior Special Agent JEFF T:EATOR 24 --/3 25  ;{

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2 1 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 2 1:30 p.m.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Today's date is 4 August 10th. The year is 2004. My name is Jeffery 5 Teator. It's about 1;30 in the afternoon.

6 This afternoon I'm interviewing Mr. Al 7 Polonczyk. This interview is taking place in the 8 conference room in the NRC Resident Inspector's Office 9 located at Salem Hope Creek Generating Station, in 10 Hancock's Bridge, New Jersey.

11 Mr. Polonczyk, prior to going on the 12 record, did I present you with my credentials?

13 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. You did.

14 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And did I 15 explain to you this is a voluntary interview?

16 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. You did.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Knowing it's 18 voluntary, do you wish to go forward?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Thank you.

21 Mr. Polonczyk, do you have any objection 22 this afternoon to providing sworn testimony?

23 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I do not.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

25 Raise your right hand for me please.

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3 1 Mr. Polonczyk, do you swear that the 2 information that you are about to provide to me is the 3 truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

4 MR. POLONCZYK: That I do.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Thank you.

6 Mr. Polonczyk, you're being interviewed 7 this afternoon as a witness in an investigation I'm 8 conducting into what occurred on the night of 9 September 21st, 2004. On that night, there was a 10 steam leak in the plant and at some point during the 11 steam leak and during the shift closed a )

12 valve which stopped the steam leak.

13 It's my job to determine whether what was 14 done that evening was done in accordance with all 15 station procedures including operations procedures.

16 And I need to find out from you your knowledge of what 17 happened, what you saw, what you heard. You're being 18 interviewed strictly as a witness.

19 Do you understand that?

20 MR. POLONCZYK: I understand that we're 21 talking about the steam leak by the feed pump and the 22 exact date, I'll take your word for it, but I do 23 remember the incident.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. I know it was 25 a while, but that is the date. Okay.

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4 1 Before going into a discussion about what 2 went on that night, I'd like to get some background 3 information from you. Okay.

4 Can you state your full name for the 5 record please and spell your last name?

6 MR. POLONCZYK: Alan D, as in David, 7 Polonczyk, P-O-L-O-N-C-Z-Y-K. 6 8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And you have your 9 station I.D. there?

10 MR. POLONCZYK: That I do.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And it shows that 12 it's a PSEG I.D. number (q-13 MR. POLONCZYK: Mv emplovee number is 14 The badge number if 2 15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Thank you.

16 And your date and place of birth please?

17 MR. POLONCZYK: I was born in a hospital 18 iilnl_1- M i i i 19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's the same 20 year I was born.

21 Your Social Security Number?

22 MR. POLONCZYK::

23 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And your current 24 home address please?

25 MR. POLONCZYK:

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&MMlw 2 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Zip code. You said 3 areea code.

4 What is your area code and phone number?

5 MR. POLONCZYK: Area cod 6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And you have a 7 pretty short commute into work then?

8 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I do.

9 - SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you ever serve 10 in the United States military?

11 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I did.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What branch.

13 MR. POLONCZYK:

14 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What years?

15 MR. POLONCZYK:

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Honorable 17 discharge?

18 MR. POLONCZYK: g 19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Rank and rating 20 upon discharge?

21 MR. POLONCZYK: I was That's as 22 far as I got. That was just on 23 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Nuclear 24 qualified?

25 MR. POLONCZYK: In th 1(

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6 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes.

2 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I was a construction 3 mechanic.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

5 MR. POLONCZYK: In the Seabees.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Did you go 7 overseas?

8 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I did not.

9 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

10 MR. POLONCZYK: Just Florida and 11 California. That's not really overseas.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: California is 13 almost overseas from the East Coast anyway.

14 Have you attended college?

15 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I did not.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. At some 17 point, were you hired to work here at Salem Hope 18 Creek?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. Salem.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: When was that?

21 MR. POLONCZYK: 1984.

22 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: When you were * # 1 23 24 MR. POLONCZYK: August.

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7 1 was your first job at Salem?

2 MR. POLONCZYK: I was a UO at that time, 3 which was Utility Operator which has seen been 4 engulfed into the NEOS (phonetic) classification.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

6 MR. POLONCZYK: I pretty much held the 7 same job for the entire 20 some years.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You've been here 9 almost 20 years and a couple of days. Right.

10 MR. POLONCZYK: Uh-huh.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: They give you a pin 12 for being here 20 years?

13 MR. POLONCZYK: I do have a gift coming to 14 me, I just haven't selected it yet.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes.

16 MR. POLONCZYK: There's a book.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: The Government they 18 give you a little pin.

19 MR. POLONCZYK: Not like that.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's nice. Maybe 21 you'll get something good. All right.

22 And have you remained continuously 23 employed here since August of 1984?

24 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I have.

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8 1 you.

2 And is your current job title Nuclear 3 Equipment Operator?

4 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. And do 6 you work in a particular group?

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Salem Station Operations.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Salem 9 Station Ops.

10 And who is your supervisor?

11 MR. POLONCZYK: My immediate shift, the 12 supervisor on our shift is Powell. Eric Powell.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: He's be the shift 14 manager?

15 MR. POLONCZYK: He's be the shift manager.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. How 17 about at the union level. Do you have a senior 18 nuclear equipment operator?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: No. Equipment operator is 20 pretty much all in the same ranking.

21 We have a union that E Board members, I 22 can say the closest one out here would be Rich Dunn.

23 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. I've heard 24 his name before. Okay.

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9 1 September 21st, 2002. Were you working the night that 2 the steam leak happened?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I was here. Yes.

4 I was working the 7:00 at night to 7:00 in the morning 5 shift, I believe.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: 7:00 p.m. to 7:00 7 a.m. Do you remember who the shift manager was on 8 that shift?

9 MR. POLONCZYK: He was the 10 I know that the CRS's were Bob -- Bob 11 Corby was there. I don't remember who the other CRS 12 was. There's two other CRS's. I remember

• 13 and Bob Corby were both there. Those are the 14 two people I remember being there.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. I think what 16 I'll do is I'll just ask you about or have you explain 17 what happened that night and I'll interject some 18 questions along the way. But if we can go to, you 19 know, the shift is. You're doing your normal stuff.

20 All of a sudden this steam leak begins. Maybe you can 21 begin there and tell me what happened, were you were 22 in the plant?

23 MR. POLONCZYK: I was extra. I don't 24 believe I was assigned to a duty that night. I was 25 extra.

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10 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What does that 2 mean, an extra?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: We had guys specifically 4 assigned to duty station, a secondary watch or a 5 primary watch of one to two units.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

7 MR. POLONCZYK: We also have a 8 communicator and possibly an extra person which, you 9 know, can swing to, whichever jobs might be going on 10 at the time.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

12 MR. POLONCZYK: So, that the duty guys 13 aren't too distracted from their duty spots.

14 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

15 MR. POLONCZYK: And I was either 16 communicator or extra, I believe, and the steam leak 17 occurred. And I don't think I immediately got 18 involved in it.

19 Later on as the nigh progressed, obviously 20 everybody heard about it and I swung by to take a look 21 at it myself. And later on I was helping the 22 secondary operator assigned to that duty station 23 perform tasks in preparation for unit shutdown such as 24 -- I think I was actually getting ready to swap the 25 seal and steam support to the other unit.

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11 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Who was the 2 secondary operation you referred to?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: I believe, and again this 4 is a little bit ago, but I think it was Mike Lord I 5 was working with at that time.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Mike Lord?

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Does he still work 9 here?

10 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. All right.

12 So, at any point did you go to the control 13 room to receive a briefing from the CRS or the shift 14 manager as to the direction that management was going 15 to take and how they were going to handle the steam 16 lead?

17 MR. POLONCZYK: No. That was never --

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I'm just asking.

19 MR. POLONCZYK: I was told to swap the 20 seal steam over to the other unit.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What does that 22 mean? What does that mean? I don't know.

23 MR. POLONCZYK: The units supply their own 24 steam to the seal on the turbine so -

25 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

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12 1 MR. POLONCZYK: -- you don't lose vacuum.

2 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

3 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay. I was led to 4 believe in preparation for shutting unit 2 down, 5 because of that steam leak, we were going to take the 6 seals over to the other unit so that we can shut the 7 unit down without going -- losing our vacuum in our 8 condenser. But normal -- that's what we do when we're 9 shutting the unit down.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. So, in 11 preparation to shut down unit 2, you swapped over 12 what?

13 MR. POLONCZYK: Gallant (phonetic) sealant 14 steam, GSS. Gallant sealant steam.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: GSS. Okay.

16 And do you remember whom you got that 17 direction from?

18 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I don't remember the 19 exact person. No.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Would the control 21 room ultimately have provided that direction to the 22 NEOs out in the field to go do that?

23 MR. POLONCZYK: The control room would 24 have ben part of that. It would have been that unit's 25 CRS.

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13 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

2 MR. POLONCZYK: It was pretty hectic that 3 night later on and I can't remember the exact -- where 4 I got that from. Sometimes the -- if the control room 5 is real busy, the directions could come from the work 6 control center --

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: -- supervisor.

9 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. And did 10 you in fact swap over the GSS? Was that done?

11 MR. POLONCZYK: I believe before we even 12 got -- we were draining the line. You have to drain 13 the lines out before you can swap the water hammer and 14 I believe halfway through getting that done, the steam 15 leak stopped.

16 All of a sudden, because you heard that 17 all through the secondary plant and all of a sudden 18 the noise wasn't there, at which time I think me and 19 Mike Lord took a walk back up from 84 -- I'm sorry 88 20 elevation --

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Elevation, okay.

22 MR. POLONCZYK: -- to 100 elevation and 23 the steam leak it was just -- it was gone. It was 24 afterwards and there was no one there.

25 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

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14 1 MR. POLONCZYK: So, as far as --

2 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Let me 3 stop you for a minute.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Remember where you 6 were at --

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: -- when you 9 stopped.

10 Just talking to myself here for a second.

11 So, then were you and Mr. Lord prepping 12 for shutdown of the unit and what you had done to that 13 point was begin draining out the lines so that could 14 occur?

15 MR. POLONCZYK: Right. That is correct.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

17 So, in your opinion, was the plant moving 18 towards the beginning of the process of shutting down 19 unit 2?

20 MR. POLONCZYK: That is correct.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Okay.

22 Now, go back to where you were. You and 23 Mike Lord -- you heard the steam leak stop. You hard 24 it throughout the plant you said?

25 MR. POLONCZYK: It was a pretty loud --

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15 1 yes. It was probably the largest steam leak I've ever 2 actually seen here. I thought it was pretty scary 3 myself.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. And then 5 you and he walked up to the elevation, saw it, the 6 steam leak?

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Well, part of the process 8 of swapping gallant sealant steam is on 100 elevation 9 where the steam leak occurred.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

11 MR. POLONCZYK: On the east side of the 12 east pumps (phonetic) so you can hear it. You can 13 actually see the steam all the way on the east side of 14 the turbine, it was shooting over that far.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

16 MR. POLONCZYK: So, the steam leak, it was 17 in progress.

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

19 MR. POLONCZYK: The next process was to go 20 down and open up some drain valves down the basement 21 elevation --

22 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

23 MR. POLONCZYK: -- 88.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And did you, in 25 fact, do that?

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16 1 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. We actually started 2 the drain down --

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: -- and you heard the noise 5 change. Obviously, you got running secondary plant, 6 so you got a lot of secondary noises out there.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: We heard a definite noise 9 change in the second plant. Got to a situation where 10 we walked upstairs and the steam leak had stopped.

11 And I believe at that point we -- he contact the 12 control room.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Who? Mike Lord?

14 MR. POLONCZYK: Mike Lord to see if we 15 still needed to -- I believe he did. I didn't. He 16 might have. And I don't believe we actually swapped 17 seals over at that point. It was determined that the 18 steam leak had stopped and the unit wasn't going to 19 shut down.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. But you 21 had already opened the drain lines?

22 MR. POLONCZYK: I believe we were at that 23 step. Yes.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. At the step 25 of starting to do that or had begun doing that?

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17 1 MR. POLONCZYK: It's awhile ago.

2 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

3 MR. POLONCZYK: I know we went down there 4 to open them valves and I know the noise changed.

5 Whether or not we actually opened the valves or not --

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

7 MR. POLONCZYK: -- I believe after the 8 steam leak stopped, we weren't going to swap seals 9 anyway.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

11 MR. POLONCZYK: So, I think we backed out 12 of that procedure.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Would there 14 be documentation to show how far you guys were into 15 that procedure?

16 MR. POLONCZYK: There's no requirements in 17 that procedure for retention because there's no 18 secondary verification. There's no component from the 19 secondary plant.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. I'm just 21 trying to see if I can go back and get something 22 that's going to prove that actions were being taken 23 out in the plant to prep the unit for shutdown.

24 This sounds like a step draining the 25 lines.

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18 1 MR. POLONCZYK: Right. Well, that's part 2 of the -- there is actually gallant sealant steam 3 procedure for swapping.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And you 5 always swap when you've going to shut down the other 6 units? Is that the only reason to swap?

7 MR. POLONCZYK: It's the only normal 8 reason to swap. Obviously, if you have a steam leak 9 on the gallant steam sealant system, you might want 10 shut off the unit.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. All right.

12 Okay. All right.

13 So, then the steam leak stops. You 14 believe Mike Lord contacted the control room. And I 15 use the term "believe".

16 MR. POLONCZYK: Believe, yes. It's been 17 a while ago, but at that point I don't remember 18 actually being a part of swapping the gallant steam 19 over again. And the whole (indiscernible) calmed down 20 after that.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. At any 22 point that night, did you go into the control room?

23 MR. POLONCZYK: More than likely. I don't 24 remember. I'm in the control room all the time so, 25 it's hard to distinguish.

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19 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

2 MR. POLONCZYK: But it's pretty far --

3 long time ago.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, let me ask 5 you this question.

6 Do y9ui recall being a part of any 7 conversation that night, okay, where you learned 8 whether in fact had communicated to the 9 control room what he was going to do?

10 MR. POLONCZYK: No.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: He's the guy that 12 closed the valve.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: I can only give you 14 hearsay and what I've hard, rumor.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Answer my first 16 question first.

17 MR. POLONCZYK: What was that again?

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes.

19 MR. POLONCZYK: Did I hard anything that 20 night that was going to close the valve?

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That 22 had communicated to the control room that he was going 23 to close the valve?

24 MR. POLONCZYK: What I heard and again 25 this is just rumors, I heard that he did not tell them A-L(

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20 1 he was going to close it off. He was going to go out 2 there to scope the situation out.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: But that's -- I wasn't 5 there and he didn't specifically talk to me.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Do you 7 recall who you heard that from?

8 MR. POLONCZYK: No. There was a lot of 9 talk the whole rest of the night on what happened.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Go ahead 11 and tell me what the talk was and characterize it as 12 such, that's it's whatever. Hearsay.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: It's backroom talk.

14 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And backroom.

15 Whatever. Go ahead and tell me what was being 16 discussed that night.

17 MR. POLONCZYK: Obviously there was a 18 steam leak. A rather large steam leak. Right?

19 Right?

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

21 MR. POLONCZYK: I was never actually 22 specifically told to go down and shut the valve.

23 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: The valve, okay.

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21 1 eventually shut. I think I was told to go down there 2 and try to see where the steam leak was coming from.

3 We ascertained that it was coming from -- it was a 4 flange leak.

5 And I heard people say that no one was 6 really specifically asked to shut the valve. It was 7 a large safety issue. We roped off the area.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You did.

9 MR. POLONCZYK: It was determined to be a 10 non-safe area --

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

12 MR. POLONCZYK:

13 MR. POLONCZYK: -- around that leak.

14 And I heard that the unit was going to 15 shut down because of that leak.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

17 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay. And then it got to 18 the point there was so much leakage, steam condensing 19 everywhere, it was going onto the busses and they 20 started seeing indications of shorts and such --

21 electrical, due to the busses to have the RC wrapped 22 cold pumps are on them busses. A lot of stuff is on 23 those busses.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Were they seeing 25 those indications in the control room?

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22 1 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I was told they were 2 seen as indications from the control room to the point 3 where they thought at this point it was safer to take 4 the action to shut the valve because now we no longer 5 had the time to do a safe shut down because of 6 trusting that equipment in that area.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. You got to 8 explain that one what you just said please.

9 MR. POLONCZYK: The leak was causing 10 problems in for KB busses, group busses. RCPs and 11 such are fed from those busses.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: In order to do a safe 14 shutdown, it would take time, more time than they 15 thought they had given that situation now. The leak 16 had gone on for hours --

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

18 MR. POLONCZYK: -- while they had 19 maintenance come out and check it out. They had all 20 these different people check it out. It was the 21 opinion of the equipment operators that we should have 22 just from the git-go, that leak was bad enough that we 23 should have just started shutting down. Taking the 24 action, started actually lowering power, whatever.

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23 1 plant?

2 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: And a lot of other stuff 5 happened around the same time, you know.

6 But at the point after shut the 7 valve, it was explained that he had to do that because 8 indications showed that there was degradation in that 9 area, in the electrical equipment.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Maybe there was 11 degradation.

12 MR. POLONCZYK: Oh, I believe there was.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. There's 14 indicators in the control room showing there's 15 problems with the busses, but the issue is, before 16 ent and closed the valve, did he let the control 17 room know and get their approval to go do that?

18 MR. POLONCZYK: I do not know that at all.

19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

20 MR. POLONCZYK: I wouldn't know that.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You testified 22 though that through hearsay, and tell me if I'm 23 wrong --

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24 1 down there to look at the situation, because they 2 started to get shorts in the busses, he was going to 3 go down there and scope things out and decide what 4 he's going to do next. And at that time, he decided 5 that the safest thing to do was to he himself shut 6 that valve.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That's through 8 hearsay that you heard this?

9 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. All right.

11 MR. POLONCZYK: But we know he shut the 12 valve.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes.

14 MR. POLONCZYK: Right. That part of it is 15 right. I guess -- I guess the part of --

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Well, what the 17 commission is interested in is, it's a fact there was 18 a steam leak. It's a fact that he did close the 19 valve.

20 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What we need to 22 find out is if he communicated that to the control 23 room that this is what I'm going to do, because you 24 can't have anyone out in the plant just going around 25 and closing valves, slipping switches. The control NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.

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25 1 room is supposed to be directing that stuff. Isn't 2 that correct?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: That's correct.

4 AndI actually the hindsight to look at 5 this, would never walk in there and say I'm going 7 _

6 down there to shut that valve.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Why did he say 8 that?

9 MR. POLONCZYK: It's a union plant. He 10 would say, I'm going to have an equipment operator 11 shut that valve.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: Or a maintenance 14 technician shut that valve. In a union control room, 15 he would never say, I'm going to down there and do 16 anything like that. They would say, -- they would 5-0 17 him. You can't do that.

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What do you mean?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: That's not your job.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What's 5-0 mean?

21 MR. POLONCZYK: 5-0, I think it's a union 22 agreement -- part of the union agreement says 23 management is not supposed to do union work.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: So, in your 25 opinion, if - if he announced in the / (

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26 1 control room that he was going to go close the valve, 2 that the unionized people would have objected to that?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: Oh, yes. They would have 4 said that is the equipment operator's job to shut that 5 valve.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Okay.

7 That's a point. All right.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: But we had already decided 9 earlier in that shift that it was an unsafe area to be 10 in --

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

12 MR. POLONCZYK: -- because of that steam 13 leak.

14 When # got down there -- I wasn't down 15 there right before he shut the valve. I was told and 16 this is hearsay again, that it was his opinion that 17 the safest thing to do at that time for the plant was 18 for he himself to shut the valve.

19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Did you 20 have or have you had any discussion with the reactor 21 operators, the NCOs that who in the control room that 22 night, about what they saw, what they heard, as far as 23 didA communicate what he was going to do to --

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27 1 down there to ascertain the situation, to develop his 2 plan on what to do next.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Do you know 4 who Van Ford is?

5 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. Oh, he was there 6 that night too. I'm sorry.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: I believe Van was there 9 that night.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you remember 11 what his position was that night? His assignment?

12 His work position?

13 MR. POLONCZYK: Now, that you say, Van 14 Ford was actually the manager. was the 15 -. on that night.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:

17 MR. POLONCZYK: l 18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: A yes.

20 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. A Okay.

21 All right.

22 Who were some of the other -- I got Mike 23 Lord from you. Who were some of the other guys 24 working that night, can you remember?

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28 1 it's hard -- I couldn't tell you who I was working 2 with last week, because I worked with everybody.

3 I mean, at that time, I worked -- I'm an 4 overtime whore.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: I hear you. I 6 understand.

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Pretty much and I work 8 with everybody.

9 That particular night, I remember Bob 10 Corgi (phonetic) was here. Now, I remember, Van Ford.

11 Mike Lord. Sounds like it was just my 12 normal shift, Bravo Shift is what it sounds like.

13 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Who were 14 some of the guys you work with on Bravo Shift back 15 then?

16 MR. POLONCZYK: Would be John Cook, Jamie 17 Delisle (phonetic), George Seas (phonetic).

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Are all of those 19 guys still currently working here?

20 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

22 MR. POLONCZYK: Ken Bayshore (phonetic),

23 he was the supervisor. I think he was on the shift 24 back then. The other CRS. And probably White, Bill 25 White. That's the control room supervisor staff.

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29 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Okay.

2 MR. POLONCZYK: That's easy enough to find 3 out for yourself down there.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. I can go to 5 -- I can have the residents pull a shift log to see 6 who signed on that night.

7 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: They should list in 9 there who's working.

10 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

12 MR. POLONCZYK: And I understand you 13 talked to Rick Pfeffer this morning. He was -- he's 14 on that shift. My shift too.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: We don't usually 16 tell people who we're going to talk to.

17 MR. POLONCZYK: I'm sorry, but it's on the 18 (indiscernible) sheet though.

19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: If they want to 20 tell the other people that's up to them.

21 MR. POLONCZYK: Everybody knows I'm here 22 because they put it on an open log right there in the 23 control room.

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30 1 out here at this time.

2 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Okay.

3 I'm just saying I don't run to anyone's 4 management and say I'm going to talk to so and so 5 today. That's why you and I had a little dialogue 6 about that. If you want -- if you need to tell your 7 management, you go ahead and do that. That's fine.

8 I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not going to 9 do that because sometimes employees don't want their 10 management knowing they're being interviewed by the 11 NRC.

12 It's just the way that is, but I just 13 wanted to explain that a little.

14 Okay. Do you know who Tom lake is?

15 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. He is.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Do you recall --

17 MR. POLONCZYK: I'm sorry. Yes. I do.

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: -- being 19 interviewed -- yes. Okay.

20 MR. POLONCZYK: He is Tom Lake.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: What time did you 22 come in today 7:00?

23 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You work from 7:00 25 to 7:00?

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31 1 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I usually come in 2 about 6:00 though. I'm an early guy.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. So, do you 4 know who Tom Lake is?

5 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes. I do.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did he speak 7 to you regarding this issue?C 2 8 MR. POLONCZYK: I have spoken to him about 9 it. Yes.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Did he get 11 into the level of detail that I'm getting into now 12 about whether the control room knew?

13 MR. POLONCZYK: It has come up. I 14 mean --

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: That was 16 going to do what he was going to do? Meaning close 17 the valve?

18 MR. POLONCZYK: The discussion has come up 19 whether or not he acted -- I'm trying to remember-how 20 this has been discussed before, but I believe it's 21 been whether or not he acted within the knowledge of 22 the control room what he was going to do. It has come 23 up before.

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32 1 company that was supposed to resolve issues as well.

2 We had a meeting at the training center.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:  ;(im Hardenj 4 (phonetic)?

5 MR. POLONCZYK: &im Harden 'That's who it 6 was.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. All right.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: I was going to say the 9 Y1 e docto Everybody callsAge7thd4 ove doctor I 10 don't know why. I think )she'was trying to make 11 everybody ove"{ach other and --

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: -- be a happy workplace.

14 And we had -- our whole shift talked about 15 it at the training center once. We had a meeting with 16 4;e3gnd our management.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Was 18 there?

19 MR. POLONCZYK: I don't believe he was 20 there for that one.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

22 MR. POLONCZYK: Because he's not actually 23 assigned to Bravo Shift. He was - -

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. He was --

25 MR. POLONCZYK: He's next --

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33 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: He's management 2 oversight that night for some reason.

3 MR. POLONCZYK: Right.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Well, what 5 happened at that meeting where the whole shift was 6 there?

7 MR. POLONCZYK: We brought up the fact 8 that safety, that it was the opinion of myself as well 9 as others that they tend to hand on a lot longer.

10 That we thought they should have been shutting down 11 already.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Hang on a lot 13 longer, meaning what?

14 MR. POLONCZYK: They're going to take 1s every option they could possibly take before they're 16 going to shut the unit down.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

18 MR. POLONCZYK: Whether or not, I mean, 19 obviously I'm not an engineering or something like 20 that. I know they had maintenance down there taking 21 a look at it. They had a lot of people -- there was 22 always something going on, but it's where do you get 23 to the point where --

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34 1 to the point where it was too late to do a safe 2 shutdown, because of the problems we were having with 3 the electrical equipment out there.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

5 MR. POLONCZYK: That we wouldn't have had 6 if we had shut down earlier, if we had started when 7 the leak started.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

9 MR. POLONCZYK: Hindsight being 20/20, 10 everything went all right. The valve was shut. It 11 was able to be shut.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Nobody got hurt.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: The steam leaks out. No 14 one got hurt.

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

16 MR. POLONCZYK: The unit didn't have to 17 shut down.

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Was there 19 discussion at that meeting which you're talking about, 20 was there a discussion about what had or had not been 21 communicated to the control room by 22 MR. POLONCZYK: No. I don't believe that 23 was --

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35 1 it's usually with the NEOs, non-licensed operators, 2 field operators.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: And that would have only 5 been the control room would have direct knowledge of 6 what you're asking.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: But weren't the 8 CRS's at this meeting that you're talking about or was 9 it just the unionized people?

10 MR. POLONCZYK: The unionized people were 11 the only ones talking pretty much.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: I think you'll find that 14 -- I find that management doesn't usually join in with 15 the -- that kind of conversation.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. All right.

17 So, you know who Tom Lake is. Right?

18 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: And you recall --

20 I'm going to use the word "interview." Do you recall 21 being interviewed by him?

22 MR. POLONCZYK: I remember having a few 23 conversations with Tom Lake.

24 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: A few?

25 MR. POLONCZYK: Yes.

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36 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. About this 2 very issue?

3 MR. POLONCZYK: I've talked to him about 4 this very issue. Yes.

5 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. Would you 6 have -- Tom Lake -- Tom Lake did his interviews of the 7 people he talked to regarding this issue on or about 8 October 10th. October 10th and October 15th of --

9 okay?

10 MR. POLONCZYK: I'll take your word for 11 it.

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. So, that's 13 when it happened.

14 MR. POLONCZYK: Right. Right?

15 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right.

16 And would you have told Tom that -- a 17 statement to the effect that made the 1C 18 call to close the valve along with the other 19 supervisors?

20 MR. POLONCZYK: I may have said that. My 21 exact words, I can't attest to my exact words.

22 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

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37 1 him. He had some other management personnel with him 2 when he shut the valve.

3 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

4 MR. POLONCZYK: So, I may have said it 5 that way. I cannot say whether or not there was an 6 actual management discussion to shut that valve.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: I know he was with other 9 management when he shut it.

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Do you have 11 any first-hand knowledge as to whether or not 12 nformed Van Ford that he was in fact going to 13 shut that valve before he did it? Do you have any 14 first-hand knowledge --

15 MR. POLONCZYK: Before he did it? No. I 16 do not have any first-hand knowledge of that.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

18 MR. POLONCZYK: As far as I know, he went 19 down there to assess the situation. Van Ford -- I 20 know Corgi was down there. Probably Van Ford with him 21 and at that time, he decided to shut the valve.

22 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. That's your 23 understanding of what happened?

24 MR. POLONCZYK: That's my understanding of 25 what happened.

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38 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

2 MR. POLONCZYK: And I haven't heard 3 anything to dispute that.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: All right. Okay.

5 All right. That's a fair point.

6 It's almost 2:00. We're going to take a 7 short break.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay.

9 (Whereupon, off the record from 2:00 p.m.

10 to 2:20 p.m.)

11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. It's about 12 2:20 in the afternoon and Mr. Polonczyk was nice 13 enough to take me out to shoe me where the steam leak 14 was. He took me into which building was that, the 15 turbine building?

16 MR. POLONCZYK: The turbine building.

17 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay. And he took 18 me to the scene of the crime, I'll call it, and we had 19 some discussion about the steam and how far it was 20 pluming out. And Mr. Polonczyk showed me where he was 21 working and pointed to the area down below, the 22 elevation we were on where they were draining out the 23 lines on the GSS.

24 MR. POLONCZYK: We were preparing to swap 25 gallant steam. That's correct.

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39 1 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: So, he took me into 2 the turbine building and showed me all this and now 3 we're back in the Resident's Office and we're going to 4 close out the interview in a couple of minutes.

5 But, Mr. Polonczyk, I can't think of 6 anything else to ask you today that I haven't cover.

7 But is there something you want to add? If there is, 8 please go ahead.

9 MR. POLONCZYK: As I was saying while we 10 were walking around, this whole incident while I may 11 or may not feel we did the safe thing, I mean, I'm not 12 management. I'm not the one making decisions. It was 13 easy for me to sit back and take an opinionated vote 14 based on all the talk that was going on. But it 15 seemed that there was a lot of animosity toward ksm 16 even before that from some union personnel and I think 17 some people, even myself sometime, might have made it 18 look worse than it was. Again, I'm not -- I wasn't 19 there whe 3 shut the valve. I don't know what he 20 saw.

21 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

22 MR. POLONCZYK: I didn't have all the 23 information he had. I know that it was a large steam 24 leak.

25 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

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4U) 1 MR. POLONCZYK: Had I been asked to shut 2 it, like I told you while I was out there, I probably 3 would have declined it.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

5 MR. POLONCZYK: Not knowing the situation 6 of the valve, not knowing everything that, I guess, 7 -3knew at the time.

8 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

9 MR. POLONCZYK: But --

10 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Let me ask you this 11 question.

12 Other people who were working that night, 13 other union members, others, did they -- did any of 14 them make any statement to the effect that they were 15 going to -- they would now be able to get back a 16 - JMthat they were going to make this more of an 17 issue as an attempt to get back at him from some other 18 union issues that the union had with Did 19 anybody make that statement?

20 MR. POLONCZYK: I don' t think anybody made 21 a statement like that. I don't think anybody actually 22 felt that way.

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II points, whether or not it was the safe thing to do.

2 Whether or not we -- management stalled in their 3 actions to shut the unit down.

I Right.

4 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR:

5 MR. POLONCZYK: But if you have a dislike 6 for certain people, you start a lot loudly about them.

7 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

8 MR. POLONCZYK: That's all. I don't think 9 anybody said that they were going to use this to get 10 back a 11 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

12 MR. POLONCZYK: I don't think anybody 13 feels -- well, I can't say that. There might be 14 someone feels tha specifically did something 15 wrong by shutting that valve.

16 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right.

17 MR. POLONCZYK: But --

18 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Okay.

19 MR. POLONCZYK: -- it was a big deal when 20 it happened. I don't feel it was handled right. But 21 that doesn't mean that I feel tha & shouldn't have 22 shut the valve.

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42 1 the work we put into looking at the valve. I know we 2 had lots of maintenance people go down there. I think 3 we had engineering people go down there and evaluate.

4 And it all ends up, hindsight is 20/20. The valve got 5 shut. Everything's happy and the world goes on.

6 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Right. Okay.

7 I don't have anything else to ask you.

8 You have my business card. If you think of something, 9 please give me a ring.

10 Is there something more you want to add?

11 MR. POLONCZYK: No. Right?

12 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: You have my number.

13 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay.

14 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: If something pops 15 in your head or you hear something about this or 16 anything else that's going on down here, we're just up 17 the road. You can give me a call.

18 MR. POLONCZYK: And we have resident's?

19 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: Yes. You have my 20 card. If you feel a need to call me, please do so.

21 MR. POLONCZYK: Okay.

22 SPECIAL AGENT TEATOR: It's 2:22 and this 23 interview is concluded.

24 Thanks.

25 MR. POLONCZYK: Thank you.

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