ML18288A438
| ML18288A438 | |
| Person / Time | |
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| Site: | Peach Bottom  |
| Issue date: | 09/25/2018 |
| From: | Exelon Generation Co |
| To: | Office of Nuclear Reactor Regulation |
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| NRC-3904 | |
| Download: ML18288A438 (44) | |
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Official Transcript of Proceedings NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
Title:
Peach Bottom Units 2 and 3 Subsequent License Renewal Scoping Meeting Docket Number: (n/a)
Location: Delta, Pennsylvania Date: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 Work Order No.: NRC-3904 Pages 1-43 NEAL R. GROSS AND CO., INC.
Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005 (202) 234-4433
1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION
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PEACH BOTTOM UNITS 2 AND 3
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SUBSEQUENT LICENSE RENEWAL SCOPING MEETING
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TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 25, 2018
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The meeting was held in the Banquet Hall at the Peach Bottom Inn, 6085 Delta Road, Delta, Pennsylvania, at 6:00 p.m., Brett Klukan, Facilitator, presiding.
NRC STAFF PRESENT:
BRETT KLUKAN, Facilitator BEN BEASLEY, NRR BENNETT BRADY, NRR JOE DONOGHUE, NRR DAVID DRUCKER, NRR KEVIN FOLK, NRR LAUREN GIBSON, NRR JUSTIN HEINLY, Region I ERIC OESTERLE, NRR NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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3 TABLE OF CONTENTS Page Introduction and Purpose, Brett Klukan, NRC 4 SLR Safety Review Overview, Bennett Brady, NRC 8 SLR Environmental Review Overview, Lauren Gibson, NRC 12 Public Questions on the Processes, Brett Klukan, NRC 19 Public Comments, Brett Klukan, NRC 24 Meeting Closing, Joe Donoghue, NRC 42 Adjourn 43 NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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4 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 (6:03 p.m.)
3 MR. KLUKAN: All right, welcome, 4 everyone. My name is Brett Klukan. Normally, I'm 5 the regional counsel for Region I of the U.S. Nuclear 6 Regulatory Commission, the region we're in right now.
7 But tonight, I'll be acting as a facilitator for this 8 meeting.
9 I'm hoping everyone can hear me well 10 enough. I assume so. All right.
11 So, the NRC is holding this meeting 12 tonight because Exelon Generation Company, LLC, in 13 short, Exelon, submitted a subsequent license renewal 14 application for Peach Bottom Atomic Power Station 15 Units 2 and 3 to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, 16 you'll often hear that called the NRC, on July 10th 17 of this year, 2018.
18 The NRC is currently reviewing that 19 application. The purpose of the meeting tonight is 20 two-fold: first, to provide you with an overview of 21 the NRC's subsequent license renewal process; and 22 second, to collect from you information to help us 23 focus the scope of the environmental review that will 24 result in the development of an environmental impact 25 statement, otherwise known as an EIS.
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5 1 First off, just a few minor housekeeping 2 issues. We request that you refrain from eating or 3 smoking in the meeting room, primarily smoking, given 4 that we're kind of in a restaurant. Two, the 5 bathrooms are just -- if you go down this door, out 6 this door, and then make a right, they're right there.
7 The exits are just to your -- behind you, and then 8 through this room to your right, when you're facing 9 that way.
10 Cameras are permitted, just please try 11 not to obstruct the view of other audience members 12 and be judicious of flash. If you would so kind as 13 to silent your cell phones at this time.
14 If we are asked to evacuate the building 15 in the event of an emergency. Please follow any 16 instructions from the hotel staff. The hotel has 17 also provided drinking water, I think in the back of 18 the room somewhere, it's over there. Okay, on the 19 back table by that sign. So please feel free.
20 I would also ask that we keep this front 21 area clear up in here. There are cords and what not, 22 so when you do come up to speak during the public 23 comment period, come up from this side, come to the 24 podium and then leave the same way. Also, it's kind 25 of blinding when you go in front of the screen.
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6 1 Okay, copies of the meeting's slide 2 presentation are available on the registration table.
3 If you are having difficulty locating a copy, just 4 find an NRC staff member and we'll get you one.
5 Feedback forms are also located on that 6 table. We, the NRC, would very much appreciate it 7 if by the end of the meeting tonight, you could spare 8 a couple of minutes and fill out one of those forms 9 and return it to us. We use that feedback to improve 10 future NRC meetings. Feedback can also be provided 11 directly through the NRC website and a link is 12 provided on the feedback form.
13 For your awareness tonight, the meeting 14 is being recorded and a transcript will be generated 15 after the meeting. So in light of that, I would ask 16 that when it is your turn to speak, will you please 17 identify yourself, spell your name, and provide any 18 affiliation, if any. I would also ask for the sake 19 of the audio recording that you try not to speak over 20 each other.
21 So the meeting tonight will be broken 22 into several parts. We'll begin tonight with a 23 presentation from the NRC staff intended to broadly 24 cover the license renewal process, including both the 25 safety review process, and the environmental process.
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7 1 When that concludes, we'll address any questions you 2 may have regarding either the substance of the NRC's 3 presentation or the license renewal process itself.
4 Questions will be limited to those two 5 topics so as to maximize the amount of time for the 6 public comment portion of the meeting which is why 7 we're here tonight. After that, the rest of the 8 meeting, as I noted, will be devoted to hearing 9 comments from you, the members of the public.
10 Are there any elected officials in the 11 meeting? I didn't see any on the registration table 12 sign-in, but just in case I like to make this 13 announcement. Are there any elected officials here 14 who would like to stand and be recognized? I didn't 15 think so, but I just wanted to check.
16 So with that, I'll move on to introducing 17 the NRC staff in attendance. When you hear your 18 name, please raise your hand just so the audience 19 knows who you are.
20 First off, we have Bennett Brady. She's 21 the Senior Project Manager for the safety review and 22 will present the overview and safety portion of the 23 briefing. In the back there.
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8 1 the environmental portion of the meeting.
2 David Drucker is the Senior Project 3 Manager for the environmental review.
4 Joe Donoghue is the Senior NRC Manager 5 with us tonight and he will close out the meeting.
6 Other NRC attendees we have with us 7 include Eric Oesterle, Ben Beasley, Kevin Folk, 8 Albert Wong, Angela Wu, Jennifer Tobin, all from NRC 9 headquarters in Rockville, Maryland. And from 10 Region I we have Justin Heinly, and we also have Neil 11 Sheehan.
12 With that, I'll turn it over to Bennett 13 Brady for the overview and safety portions of the 14 presentation. Thank you very much.
15 MS. BRADY: Good evening. I am Bennett 16 Brady. I'm the Senior Project Manager for the 17 subsequent license renewal safety review.
18 Can you hear me in the back? Good.
19 Thank you.
20 This slide gives an overview of the 21 subsequent license renewal review process. There are 22 two parallel reviews that go on at the same time, the 23 safety review and the environmental review.
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9 1 to you shortly on that.
2 The safety review is down at the bottom 3 of the slide. There are two major components of our 4 safety review. The first is the staff's safety 5 review of the application and the second is the review 6 by the ACRS, the Advisory Committee on Reactor 7 Safeguards.
8 The dotted line that you see in the 9 middle is the hearing process. The Atomic Energy Act 10 establishes a process for the public to participate 11 in the hearings, particularly in license renewal.
12 And then in the box in the far right is 13 the NRC's decision coming out of the review of the 14 safety and environmental review to extend the 15 operating license for an additional 20 years.
16 Next slide, please.
17 The focus of the safety review is to 18 identify the aging effects that could impair the 19 operation of the systems, structures, and components.
20 Exelon submitted an application to the 21 NRC on July 10, 2018 to extend the operating license 22 for subsequent license renewal. The NRC conducted 23 an acceptance review of the application and 24 determined the acceptability on August 27 of this 25 year.
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10 1 The NRC divides the safety review into 2 three components or audits. The first one is the 3 operating experience audit reviews that reviews the 4 applicant's operating experience and their corrective 5 actions database, looking for things such as aging 6 effect, aging management activities. We're in the 7 process right now of this operating experience audit.
8 The second section is the in-office 9 review and in-office audit. During this time, the 10 staff goes into greater detail looking at the 11 application and requests additional documents.
12 Then finally is the NRC on-site audit in 13 which the reviewers may actually go to the site and 14 look at additional documents and information. And 15 the staff will document all of this review in its 16 safety evaluation report, SER.
17 The focus of the NRC's review is on the 18 aging effects and the detrimental effects of that.
19 In 2001, Exelon submitted an application for initial 20 license renewal for Peach Bottom. And in 2003, the 21 NRC approved the application for the first license 22 renewal.
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11 1 the regulatory process adequately ensures the plant's 2 current licensing basis and provides and maintains an 3 acceptable level of safety.
4 And the second principle is each plants 5 current license basis is required to be maintained 6 during the subsequent license renewal period in the 7 same manner and to the same extent as during the 8 initial license renewal.
9 The NRC ensures the adequate protection 10 of public health and safety and the environmental 11 through the regulatory process. This diagram here 12 shows you the different components of the regulatory 13 process. The blue arrows and gray boxes represent 14 what has been in place before license renewal. The 15 red arrow shows what is added as a result of license 16 renewal and that is the aging management activities.
17 The NRC as part of their subsequent license renewal 18 will also evaluate how effective the aging management 19 program has been.
20 The focus of the safety review is to 21 identify aging effects that could impair the ability 22 of the systems, structures, and components within the 23 scope of license renewal. The focus has not changed 24 moving forward from initial license renewal to 25 subsequent license renewal.
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12 1 Lauren Gibson will now give the 2 presentation on the environmental review.
3 MS. GIBSON: Good evening. Can everyone 4 hear me okay?
5 Good evening. My name is Lauren Gibson.
6 I am one of the environmental project managers who 7 will be working on the Peach Bottom environmental 8 review. The environmental review is performed in 9 accordance with the National Environmental Policy Act 10 of 1969 which you probably know as NEPA. NEPA 11 requires federal agencies to follow a systematic 12 approach in evaluating potential impacts from the 13 proposed action and alternatives to the proposed 14 action.
15 Public participation is an important 16 aspect of the NEPA process. Opportunities for public 17 participation are outlined in green on this slide.
18 The environmental review begins at the scoping 19 process which includes today's public scoping 20 meeting.
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13 1 today, as well as those we received in writing as we 2 prepare that. The staff will also conduct an 3 independent assessment including an environmental 4 site audit.
5 The NRC staff will publish its findings 6 in a draft environmental impact statement which will 7 be issued for public comment. That public comment 8 period is another opportunity for you after the 9 scoping period ends to participate in the 10 environmental review process. So you have now 11 tonight's scoping meeting and then later you will be 12 able to comment on the draft environmental impact 13 statement.
14 So what is meant by scoping? The NRC 15 staff uses scoping to determine the range of issues 16 and the alternatives to be considered in the 17 environmental impact statement. In addition, 18 scoping comments help identify significant issues 19 that will be analyzed in greater details. Scoping 20 is also intended to ensure that concerns are 21 identified early and properly evaluated throughout 22 the environmental review.
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14 1 will help to facilitate a thorough review. We hope 2 to hear from you, for example, what aspects of your 3 local community we should focus on? What local 4 environmental, social, and economic issues the NRC 5 should examine during our review? What other major 6 projects are in progress in the area, and what 7 reasonable alternatives are most appropriate for the 8 region?
9 Here is a list of the documents that the 10 NRC issues in relation to the scoping process. Note 11 that the first three on the slide have already been 12 issued. They've been done for this application.
13 They relate to this meeting and this scoping process.
14 That's why we're here.
15 The NRC initially issues a notice of 16 intent to prepare the supplemental environmental 17 impact statement and to inform the public about the 18 scoping process. The notice identifies the federal 19 action, comment period, and the method by which 20 comments can be provided. We have copies of that 21 notice at the sign-in table.
22 The NRC also issues letters to federal, 23 state, and tribal government agencies and other 24 interested parties announcing our intent to conduct 25 scoping. In addition, we've issued a press release NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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15 1 and newspaper advertisements to announce this public 2 meeting and the scoping process.
3 At the conclusion of the scoping process, 4 the NRC prepares and issues an environmental scoping 5 summary report that identifies the comments that we 6 received during the scoping period and identifies the 7 significant issues that were identified as a result 8 of the scoping process.
9 Moving on to the environmental review 10 itself. The NRC evaluates the impact from the 11 proposed license renewal for a wide range of 12 environmental resources. In addition to those on the 13 slide, it includes air quality, wetlands, threatened 14 and endangered species, historical and cultural 15 resources, and human health.
16 The NRC staff conducts this review by 17 building upon decades of previous experience 18 analyzing the environmental impacts from power plant 19 operation. For example, in 2013 the NRC staff 20 published or revised generic environmental impact 21 statements which identified 78 environmental impacts 22 due to the operation of nuclear power plants. The 23 NRC staff analyzed the impacts of those 78 issues 24 based on the knowledge that has been gained during 40 25 previous license renewals, as well as new research NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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16 1 findings and public comments.
2 The staff determined that 59 of those 3 environmental issues were generic, meaning the same 4 at all plants. For the other 19 issues, the NRC 5 staff determined that those issues were site 6 specific, meaning that the impact varied depending on 7 the environment surrounding the reactor and the 8 operational condition. Therefore, the analysis for 9 Peach Bottom license renewal will focus on those 19 10 site specific environmental resource issues.
11 The NRC staff has also conducted previous 12 site specific environmental analyses at the Peach 13 Bottom site. For example, in 2003, the staff 14 completed an environmental impact statement for the 15 initial license renewal. The NRC staff will build 16 upon any information in that previously issued 17 statement to conduct this environmental review in an 18 efficient manner.
19 In conducting our environmental review, 20 we will be coordinating with various federal, state, 21 and local officials as well as tribal leaders. This 22 coordination helps to ensure that the local and 23 technical resource specialists are involved. Some 24 of the agencies we are coordinating with include 25 Department of Corrections, National Oceanic and NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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17 1 Atmospheric Administration, the U.S. Environmental 2 Protection Agency, Region III; the Maryland 3 Department of the Environment, the Pennsylvania 4 Department of Environmental Protection, the 5 Pennsylvania State Historic Preservation Office, and 6 the Susquehanna River Basin Commission.
7 Ultimately, the purpose of the 8 environmental review is to determine whether or not 9 the environmental impacts of license renewal would be 10 so great that preserving the option of license 11 renewal for decision makers would become 12 unreasonable. The environmental impact statement 13 will be considered in conjunction with the NRC 14 staff's safety-related reviews that Bennett discussed 15 earlier today in recommending to the Commission 16 whether or not to review the Peach Bottom operating 17 license.
18 In summary, these are the factors that 19 will be considered by the Commission in deciding 20 whether or not to renew the license. Our goal is to 21 complete the license renewal review and reach a 22 decision on renewing the licenses in 18 months from 23 the time that the application was accepted. The 24 schedule can be extended to accommodate a hearing if 25 one is granted.
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18 1 Please note if you would like to receive 2 a CD or a hard copy of the draft or final 3 environmental impact statement that we will be 4 developing, please fill out a blue card at that back 5 table in the hallway. Otherwise, you will be able 6 to find those documents on our website that I will 7 show on my concluding slide when they are available.
8 This slide shows important milestones for 9 the safety and environmental review process. It is 10 important to note that future dates are tentative.
11 Please note that the safety evaluation report is a 12 publicly-available report that we will issue 13 documenting our results of the safety review.
14 Right below it, you'll see the ACRS.
15 That is the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards.
16 Their meetings are open to the public and they are 17 held at our headquarters in Rockville, Maryland.
18 This slide has information on how to 19 submit comments after this meeting concludes.
20 Comments will be accepted through October 10th and 21 can be submitted by mail or through the 22 regulations.gov website.
23 In addition, you can provide any of us 24 NRC staff members here tonight with any written 25 comments that you wish to submit.
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19 1 Here is some further information for you.
2 The first item is the general website that you can go 3 to learn more about nuclear power plant license 4 renewal in general.
5 The second item on this slide provides a 6 website with information regarding the Peach Bottom 7 subsequent license renewal review. This website also 8 provides access to their subsequent license renewal 9 application which we have a hard copy here to review 10 if you'd like to.
11 As shown in the third item on the slide, 12 the application is also available at the Whiteford 13 Branch of the Harford County Public Library.
14 This concludes the staff's formal 15 presentation. If you would like additional 16 information, you can ask David or Bennett whose 17 contact information is on the slide.
18 I'll now turn the meeting back over to 19 Mr. Klukan for the question and answer portion on the 20 presentations.
21 MR. KLUKAN: I'm going to switch to this 22 microphone. If you could just advance it one slide 23 for me. Thank you. Okay, great.
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20 1 around more, so I thought I'd use this one.
2 So before we get started with the actual 3 comment portion of the meeting, as I noted at the 4 outset, we wanted to give people -- reserve a small 5 amount of time in case anyone had any questions about 6 what you just saw in those two presentations or about 7 the license renewal process itself.
8 And again, if you have questions about 9 the contents of Exelon's application or questions 10 about environmental effects, I would ask that you 11 please leave those to the public comment portion of 12 the meeting. Right now, I'm just looking for if you 13 have any questions about the process or why we're 14 here tonight essentially. And I will bring the 15 microphone to you for this portion.
16 MR. GUNTER: Thank you. Paul Gunter, 17 Beyond Nuclear, Takoma Park, Maryland.
18 So can you give me an overview of where 19 the public gets to review the safety portion in a 20 meeting format like this?
21 MR. KLUKAN: Sure. Who from the staff 22 would like to cover this one? All right.
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21 1 could back up the slide -- go forward again. Right 2 there. Thank you.
3 So the question again is where in the 4 process does the public get to review the safety 5 review in this format.
6 MR. GUNTER: Public format like this, 7 yes.
8 MR. OESTERLE: So there is no public 9 format like this to provide comments on the safety 10 review or comments on what the scope of the safety 11 review should be. The scope of the safety review is 12 actually defined by the regulations in Part 54. The 13 opportunity for the public to provide comments on the 14 safety review is right here when the ACRS meets, 15 either the subcommittee or the full committee. There 16 is an opportunity there for the public to submit 17 comments on the safety evaluation report.
18 MR. GUNTER: You can hear me without 19 this, but can you explain why you differentiate 20 between the safety review process and the public 21 format in the community for the environmental review?
22 You bring it to the community for the environmental 23 review, but you've got to go down to Washington, D.C.
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22 1 between the two for your process.
2 MR. OESTERLE: Thanks. That's a good 3 question. I would say one of the differentiators is 4 that the environmental review is an independent 5 review that the NRC does and it's driven by the 6 requirements in NEPA, so it's an action that the NRC 7 needs to take any time there's a major federal action.
8 So that's an action on the NRC.
9 All of the information that the NRC may 10 look at as far as doing the environmental review is 11 not limited to the environmental report that the 12 applicant submits with their application. They also 13 will do their own independent evaluation, look at 14 independent sources.
15 The information, as far as the safety 16 review goes, is completely contained within the 17 subsequent license renewal application or additional 18 documents that the applicant may submit on the docket 19 for the staff to review.
20 As far as folks needing to come down to 21 Washington, D.C. to come to the ACRS meeting, you 22 don't have to do that. You can email any comments.
23 You can call it in. You don't have to appear in 24 person.
25 MR. GUNTER: Thank you.
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23 1 MR. HEWITT: Good evening. I'm Jyuji 2 Hewitt, J-Y-U-J-I, H-E-W-I-T-T. I'm just a member 3 of the public. Is there an opportunity for us to see 4 the comments that have been submitted so that it may 5 generate further comments or perhaps if a comment 6 that has been submitted didn't hit exactly what maybe 7 the concern would be environmentally, it may spur 8 further questions or other comments?
9 MR. KLUKAN: Thanks for your question.
10 MR. BEASLEY: This is Ben Beasley. I'm 11 the Chief of the Environmental Review Branch and as 12 was mentioned in the slide, one of the documents from 13 the scoping process is a scoping summary report that 14 does get issued prior to the draft environmental 15 impact statement getting issued, so you can see the 16 questions and then the responses will -- it's not 17 directly responses to the questions or to the 18 comments, but what we're looking for is what we need 19 to include in our review. And so we might point you 20 to a section of the environmental impact statement 21 where we have covered that topic. And so then when 22 the draft environmental impact statement comes out, 23 you can see how it's addressed there in the EIS. And 24 then also the scoping, all of the comments get 25 reproduced in Appendix A of the environmental impact NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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24 1 statement. And you do have opportunity to comment 2 on the draft environmental impact statement so if 3 there was something that wasn't addressed the way you 4 expected it or we didn't get the topic quite right, 5 then you can make a comment on the draft environmental 6 impact statement.
7 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you. Any more on the 8 process or are there any more questions? Thank you 9 to both of you for asking those.
10 We are now going to move on to the actual 11 public comment portion of the meeting tonight. So 12 at the registration table there are these little 13 yellow cards. If you would like to speak tonight and 14 have not already done so, please fill out one of 15 these. So right now I have three cards from three 16 different individuals who have asked or requested to 17 submit public comments tonight.
18 Is there anyone else who has not yet 19 submitted a yellow card who thinks he or she may want 20 to speak tonight? You can wait until later after you 21 hear what they have to say, but what I'm trying to do 22 is just to budget my time for the meeting of how much 23 time to allot to each speaker.
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25 1 filled out a yellow card?
2 All right, so I'm going to give each 3 individual eight minutes. I will call your name.
4 When I call your name, please come up to the 5 microphone around the side there just so you don't 6 blind yourself or trip over the card in the middle.
7 I have a little bell here just to make it fair. When 8 you have one minute remaining, you get one ding.
9 When you're done, two. Very efficient.
10 So with that said, one further reminder 11 is that when you do get up to the microphone, please 12 state your name, please spell your name, even if you 13 think your name is simple. Please spell your name.
14 I like everyone just to spell their name for the sake 15 of the court reporter and then please provide any 16 affiliations, if any, that you would like to have 17 recorded as part of the record.
18 So with that, we'll start with Mr. Paul 19 Gunter.
20 MR. GUNTER: Thank you. My name is Paul 21 Gunter. P-A-U-L, G-U-N-T-E-R. No umlaut. I'm with 22 a group called Beyond Nuclear and we're a public 23 interest group that is in Takoma Park, Maryland.
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26 1 subsequent license renewal process. Going back to 2 the question that I originally asked, you know, the 3 reason I asked about differentiating between material 4 -- the issue of safety and environmental consequences 5 is because the two are inextricably linked. We 6 believe that the safety issues should be presented in 7 the community although that is an opportunity to meet 8 and greet and we don't exactly understand why the 9 safety portion has been relegated to essentially 10 blind communication.
11 And the reason is that safety obviously 12 is related to environmental consequence. Peach 13 Bottom, for example, has miles of buried pipe that 14 much of it is original construction with when the 15 plant was built. This pipe has been corroding, both 16 from the outside wall and eroding from the inside and 17 Peach Bottom has had a series of leaks of radioactive 18 effluent into groundwater, so here you have the 19 consequence of a material condition of the plant that 20 has resulted in an environmental consequence.
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27 1 condition of concrete structures of the performance 2 of electrical wiring and that could be submerged, but 3 also subject to heat and all kinds of degradation.
4 In fact, there are about now 16 different 5 known degradation mechanisms that are ongoing in 6 varying grades, some severe, with regard to like 7 embrittlement of the reactor pressure vessel, stress 8 corrosion cracking of the -- of weld material. Any 9 of these failures, just like those pipes that are 10 buried under the Peach Bottom plant, should they fail 11 in their performance, they will have environmental 12 consequence.
13 So to make a long story short, what we 14 see is essentially a failure of the operator, in this 15 case Exelon Nuclear, and the regulatory agency, the 16 U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission, to make this link 17 in the license renewal process for the 60- to 80-year 18 extension. And particularly by missing the 19 opportunity to do the material analysis of the Peach 20 Bottom plant using other reactor designs that Exelon 21 is operating or is now in the process of 22 decommissioning actually, where they could evaluate 23 the material condition of Peach Bottom to sort of 24 benchmark it with the material condition of a closed 25 nuclear power plant.
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28 1 So on September 17th of this year, Exelon 2 permanently closed the Oyster Creek Nuclear Power 3 Station in Lacey Township, New Jersey. However, both 4 the NRC and Exelon have basically stated that they 5 are not interested in assessing the material 6 condition post-operation for Oyster Creek and relate 7 that condition to Peach Bottom's current condition.
8 And they're only a couple years apart. Oyster Creek 9 came on line in 1969 and Peach Bottom in the early 10 70s.
11 And so it's curious that the industry and 12 the Agency are missing an opportunity to use the 13 material assessment of metals, of electrical cable, 14 of concrete, of piping to assess the material 15 condition of Peach Bottom into this projected license 16 renewal period which again is it's going to be 17 extensive.
18 Why not? Why not take a peek at the 19 embrittlement of the welds in Oyster Creek in order 20 to ascertain the material condition of Peach Bottom 21 in this 60- to 80-year license period.
22 And in fact, what is of more concern is 23 that the national labs, and even members of the U.S.
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29 1 material, these archived samples taken from closed 2 reactors to then make age management program 3 assessments for license renewal.
4 In fact, the Office of Research in a 2015 5 PowerPoint that we're familiar with, as well as a 6 March 2018 poster session that was -- we saw at the 7 annual Regulatory Information Conference for the NRC, 8 they're all requesting that materials be harvested 9 from these closed reactors like Oyster Creek which is 10 the property, still the property of Exelon Nuclear, 11 and to do laboratory assessments of metals, of 12 concrete, of electrical cable, and their performance 13 into the -- projected into the license renewal period 14 for Peach Bottom Nuclear Power Station.
15 Let me just read to you one of those 16 national laboratory remarks. This one is from 17 Pacific Northwest National Laboratory. This is from 18 a 2017 report. So they conclude that a post-shutdown 19 autopsy, as we call them, are necessary for 20 "reasonable assurance that systems, structures, and 21 components are able to meet their safety functions.
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30 1 decommissioned or operating." The laboratory 2 reiterates "where available, benchmarking can be 3 performed using surveillance specimens. In most 4 cases, however, benchmarking of laboratory tests will 5 require harvesting materials from reactors."
6 So in the absence of harvesting those 7 materials from Exelon's closed reactor to its 8 operating reactor in the projected time frame, 9 they're ignoring not only a safety condition, but a 10 condition that may very well have significant 11 environmental consequences.
12 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. All 13 right, next up we have Mr. Ernest Guyll. Normally, 14 I call people up so they can queue, but it's a narrow 15 space up here and we only have three people. So 16 anyway, whenever you're ready. And again, if you 17 could state your name one more time and then just 18 spell it for our court reporter, please.
19 MR. GUILL: My name is Ernest Eric Guyll, 20 E-R-N-E-S-T, that's my first name. Eric is my middle 21 name, E-R-I-C. My last name is Guyll, G-U-Y-L-L.
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31 1 power plants, who needs the NRC? So I think we need 2 to have somebody like Congress, perhaps the state 3 legislatures of Maryland and Pennsylvania make the 4 decision and vote on whether to keep this plant open 5 or not.
6 I'm concerned about the dry cask storage, 7 how much more space is needed. I think there were 8 questions about the degrading of the concrete and 9 we're worried about that. I'd like to know the 10 radioactive half-life of the material that's being 11 stored in these casks. It's on site. It's here.
12 You can't see into the future. There was 13 a few years ago some workers received a blast of 14 radiation. Nobody knew it was going to happen. Of 15 course, you didn't know. You wouldn't have let it 16 happen. But this is the thing I'm concerned about.
17 I'm not concerned about what you know. I'm concerned 18 about what we don't know is going to happen. And 19 we're just reacting to okay, this happened. Now we 20 can fix it. Well, I don't want something really bad 21 to happen and then it goes beyond fixing.
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32 1 to see it in Richter scale because most lay people 2 like myself, I'm not a scientist, but I'd like to 3 know, what is the highest on the Richter scale that 4 this plant can withstand? And we have to think about 5 that because a lot of times places like this where 6 there's very few earthquakes, there will sometimes be 7 a really gigantic earthquake. We don't know. We've 8 only been here -- when I say we, the Europeans have 9 only been here maybe 300, 400 years which is a very 10 small time geologically.
11 How high does the river have to rise 12 before the plant is threatened? What's the number of 13 feet it has to rise? I think that's pretty simple.
14 And I'd like to get these questions answered. I 15 don't want a book. Just give me okay, this many 16 feet. This on the Richter scale.
17 I'm concerned about the tritium leakage 18 seeping into the ground. I think there was mention 19 made of the pipes degrading. How much more can this 20 area take?
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33 1 level last week. We don't have that. I have a 2 radiation monitor at home I use, so I can check the 3 radiation, at least at my house. But I'd like to 4 have that around the plant. We used to have monitors 5 around the plant.
6 I'd also like to see a 50-mile radius 7 evacuation plan, because every time there's a major 8 accident people are told 50 miles they have to get 9 away, anyone within 50 miles. But the NRC is only 10 doing 20 or 25 miles. They don't go to 50 miles.
11 But you go to 50 miles, there's a big accident and 12 you should have a 50-mile radius evacuation plan.
13 What are the people in Baltimore going to do? People 14 in Philadelphia? People within the 50-mile radius 15 that evacuate in a major emergency.
16 I'll go back a little bit. I forgot to 17 tell you who I am or my relationship here. I live 18 eight miles due east of here by air. I live in 19 Britain Township in Lancaster County. I used to be 20 a member of the Peach Bottom Alliance, but I don't 21 think that organization exists any more. That's it.
22 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much for your 23 comments.
24 Okay, next up we have Bruce L. Clark.
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34 1 Bruce Clark, B-R-U-C-E, C-L-A-R-K.
2 I basically came here this evening to try 3 to understand the process and perhaps feelings that 4 some people have. I have a background in Penn State 5 industrial engineering, a master's in management. I 6 chair my own consulting group, but I'm working with 7 the Pennsylvania Nuclear Energy Caucus. That's 8 bicameral, bipartisan, chaired by one of our state 9 senators. And what we're looking at is trying to 10 keep nuclear as one of our options.
11 Right now, we're in a position where the 12 price of gas, natural gas, for fueling generation is 13 so low that it's hard for us to really get a contract 14 for say the output of TMI. So we're operating at a 15 loss. So as a state, we need to look at okay, what 16 do we do for the future?
17 So my interest here is well, what are we 18 looking at for the future? Because it's not just 19 keeping these plants on for another year, but long 20 term, if they're viable.
21 Now I'll say one thing for Peach Bottom, 22 one -- I'll say two. One, I worked there. I had a 23 senior license on the plant as a staff member, so I 24 have some history and also with the industry that all 25 of the plants are different, different designs, NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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35 1 different manufacturers, so you can't really say that 2 Oyster Creek is the same as Peach Bottom. Each one 3 has to be looked at individually.
4 And what we want to do at the state level 5 is look at okay, what is really viable for the nuclear 6 element because right now it's one of those that has 7 a consistent output 24 hours2.777778e-4 days <br />0.00667 hours <br />3.968254e-5 weeks <br />9.132e-6 months <br /> a day. It's paid for.
8 It's only going to cost what it's going to cost right 9 now.
10 Environmentally, it has very little 11 impact. Maybe there's going to be some from 12 radiation. We'll have to work on that and see how 13 that works out. Like I said, the cost of an alternate 14 fuel being gas and the safety of that because that's 15 coming through pipelines and loss of a pipeline can 16 lose something like New York.
17 There was a fourth issue. The older I 18 get, the more I forget things.
19 Okay, but basically, where are we going 20 with this? And you mentioned that you want more 21 public input and that's partly to the NRC saying okay, 22 how can we structure the input or structure the medium 23 so that the public knows what we know and can respond 24 to what we know as the NRC, so you're not left out of 25 the process. Because part of what happens here, you NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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36 1 talk about the socio-environment. All of our plants 2 are in a society and you're living nearby. So we 3 have to be aware of that.
4 You need to have the opportunity to say, 5 hey, I'm willing to have higher prices just to not 6 have nuclear. What's going to happen with things 7 like gas and you're going to see it very soon. We're 8 going to be taxing that as it comes out of the ground 9 so the price of gas is going to go up. So that's 10 going to make nuclear more affordable.
11 I'm open to questions if somebody wants 12 to say or ask what we're doing at the state level, 13 because we're just starting with this process of 14 looking at viability. And what prompted us was TMI 15 Unit 1 and Beaver Valley 1 and 2 that are looking at 16 an impending shutdown.
17 Any questions, comments? Thank you.
18 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. So 19 it's 6:53. We're scheduled -- at least the time we 20 allotted for this is longer. Again, you have an 21 opportunity right now if you would like to make a 22 public comment. You don't have to fill out a yellow 23 card. You can just go to the microphone.
24 Is there anyone who has not yet commented 25 like to make a comment this evening? Okay.
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37 1 Has anyone who has already made a comment 2 of the three, like to -- so I will give you a little 3 more time to go up there. How about give you what do 4 you say, five, six minutes. Does that sound fair?
5 All right. Thank you.
6 MR. GUNTER: Again, my name is Paul 7 Gunter. P-A-U-L, G-U-N-T-E-R. I'm with Beyond 8 Nuclear. And we're out at Takoma Park, Maryland.
9 I think I would like to quickly respond 10 that Oyster Creek is a General Electric Mark 1 boiling 11 water reactor. It's the first one. Peach Bottom is 12 a General Electric boiling water reactor, Mark 1.
13 And they are similar in materials. I don't want to 14 get into a dialogue on this, but that's not for me.
15 What I'm representing here is the view of 16 the NRC Office of Research. There's the similarity 17 of materials, the similarity of design, the 18 similarity of containment, the similarity of cooling.
19 They're on the order of a Fukushima-style reactor.
20 In fact, Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 is almost identical 21 to Oyster Creek. So the similarities and materials 22 and degradations are identical in that respect.
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38 1 is that in 2010, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory 2 Commission set out to do public health studies around 3 operating nuclear power stations, basically 4 predicated on the license renewal process.
5 The idea of cancer around nuclear power 6 stations has been prevalent all across the country.
7 In 1990, the Massachusetts Department of Public 8 Health issued a study that found a four-fold increase 9 in a rare adult leukemia around the Pilgrim Nuclear 10 Power Station in the five communities that were 11 closest to the Pilgrim Nuclear Power Station. And so 12 that study went through a peer review. It's been 13 published and republished and it has raised loads of 14 questions about the incidence of cancer clusters and 15 concerns that are directly related to the proximity 16 and duration of residency to operating nuclear power 17 stations. And that's still relevant for the Peach 18 Bottom nuclear power plant as they now seek to extend 19 their operation out to a total of 80 years.
20 So the NRC did go about contracting with 21 the National Academy of Sciences in 2010. NAS started 22 its process to do a pilot. It was a two-phase 23 program. And to the disappointment of all of us who 24 were following this along, the NRC basically scuttled 25 that study in 2015, based on the fact that they NEAL R. GROSS COURT REPORTERS AND TRANSCRIBERS 1323 RHODE ISLAND AVE., N.W.
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39 1 thought that the NAS projection that it would take 2 three years and $8 million to do a cancer study around 3 eight pilot projects in the United States was not 4 worthy of their time and effort and money. That 5 speaks volumes to a production agenda, not a public 6 health and safety agenda.
7 And we're still trying to revive the NAS 8 effort to look at cancers around nuclear power 9 stations like the Department of Public Health in the 10 State of Massachusetts identified in a peer-reviewed 11 study.
12 In fact, it's quite apparent that the NRC 13 claims to protect public health, but its radiation 14 exposure standards fail to account for things like 15 impacts on the placenta, impacts on fetal blood 16 forming cells, impacts on fetal and embryonic organs, 17 estrogenic impacts, disproportioned impacts on women, 18 genetic impacts past the second generation, 19 cumulative damage of repeated radiation exposure.
20 These are not incorporated -- and this is exactly 21 what the National Academy of Sciences was setting out 22 to do in laying out two methodologies for epidemiology 23 and the effect of living downwind, downstream, in 24 proximity to operating nuclear power stations.
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40 1 for the NRC to scuttle that study and in fact, the 2 issue clearly demonstrates another example of where 3 the Agency and the industry have colluded to put the 4 cart before the horse, just as we should be requiring 5 material samples from decommissioned nuclear power 6 stations rather than bury these bodies whole without 7 an autopsy. That is just as unjustified as going 8 forward with extending reactor operating license out 9 to 80 years without doing cancer studies around the 10 plants that have been operating since the 1960s.
11 Thank you.
12 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. I'll 13 ask one more time before I close out the meeting. Is 14 there anyone who has not yet made a comment who would 15 like to do so this evening? Now is your chance.
16 Going once, going twice. All right.
17 That concludes -- we have one. Please.
18 MR. CLARK: I'd like to be able to 19 respond to everything you've said, but it really 20 leaves me wondering, okay, we've come this far.
21 We've survived this far. We don't see a large 22 negative impact from the power plants. What can we 23 really do as a society to decide where we go from 24 here? And you're saying we should put more money 25 into research. I'm looking at you, right?
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41 1 MR. GUNTER: I'm not going to dialogue 2 with you. It's your turn.
3 MR. KLUKAN: As interesting as this 4 conversation might turn out to be, unfortunately, 5 that's not the way the meeting is structured. I 6 encourage you since it does look like we will have 7 time after the meeting to have a dialogue. Yes, 8 exactly. Whatever, I'm not telling you to drink.
9 That would be inappropriate.
10 So please feel free to spend your time 11 responding to his comments, but in more of a 12 rhetorical way that he can't answer you back.
13 MR. CLARK: I've done my one-sided 14 comments. Thank you.
15 MR. KLUKAN: Thank you very much. With 16 that, we're going to close out the meeting this 17 evening. If you would like to -- just a couple 18 reminders and I'm going to work my way back over to 19 the actual podium instead of standing in this corner 20 here.
21 If you'd like to receive a CD copy or a 22 hard copy of the draft and final environmental impact 23 statements as Lauren mentioned earlier -- I'll shut 24 this one off and work off of this one -- please fill 25 out one of the blue cards on the table back there.
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42 1 One is being held up right now. Otherwise, the draft 2 and final environmental impact statement will be 3 available at the websites that were part of the 4 display or part of the presentation again, which is 5 also -- copies of which are also located on that 6 table.
7 Finally, as I noted earlier, there are 8 feedback forms also on that table. It takes just a 9 couple minutes to fill one of them out. Please do 10 so. It really, really, really does help us improve 11 the quality and content of these meetings moving 12 forward. You can drop it in the mail. Its postage 13 is already paid or you can just give it back to an 14 NRC staff member you see here this evening.
15 And with that, I'd like to thank you for 16 attending this evening and I will ask Joe Donoghue, 17 our senior NRC staff member to close out the meeting 18 for us. Thank you very much again.
19 MR. DONOGHUE: Thank you, Brett. I want 20 to thank members of representatives from the State of 21 Pennsylvania and Maryland for being here, of course, 22 interested members of the public living in the area 23 of the plant, also representatives of interest groups 24 that we heard from today and for your very thoughtful 25 comments that you made tonight.
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43 1 It's obviously that you care deeply about 2 the issues that the NRC is reviewing in this 3 subsequent license renewal review effort and all of 4 your comments, this is why we were recording it, will 5 be considered as part of this review, seriously 6 considered.
7 We're going to stay -- I'm committing the 8 NRC staff to stay here for the noticed time that we 9 planned to stay here for this meeting, so you're 10 welcome to -- basically, we'll continue the open house 11 that we started the evening with if you have other 12 questions that you'd like to ask us, about our 13 process, about the SLR review, the subsequent license 14 renewal review that we plan to conduct.
15 And with that, I'll wish you a safe ride 16 home or to your destination, and thank you for 17 participating.
18 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter 19 went off the record at 7:05 p.m.)
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