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                                                    .                                                                  F' RANK NEUMANN ~                                           g3 y                       *b SEssMOLOSiev. GEcLosY DEPARTMENT UNIVERSITY OF WASHIN 5?DN SEATTLE S.WASHIN GTON June 24,1963. *
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                                                          - Dr. Robert H. Bryan, Chief, Research and Power Reactor Safety Branch, Division of Licensing and Regulation, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington 25, D. C.
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- Dr. Robert H. Bryan, Chief, Research and Power Reactor Safety Branch, Division of Licensing and Regulation, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington 25, D. C.


==Dear Dr. Bryan:==
==Dear Dr. Bryan:==
 
Over the week end I have reviewed the material for-warded with your letter of June 20 and in other ways have endeavored to reconcile my views with PG&E's engineering plans for the proposed Bodega Head power plant. There are still some unanswereiquestions which I shall touch on briefly in ocumenting on the rglios to the recent inquiries. Reference is made to the questions in Mr. Lowen-stein's letter of May 24, 1963 and the PG&E replies in Aamendment No. 3 (Docket No. 50-205).
Over the week end I have reviewed the material for-warded with your letter of June 20 and in other ways have endeavored to reconcile my views with PG&E's engineering plans for the proposed
The answer io question 1 is straightforward enough; I sm just a little skeptica.'. about the optimism expressed in view of the fact that Housner in his paper " Behavior of Structures During Earthquakes" (Journ. Eng. Mech. Div., ASCE, Oct.1959) and-Blume, Newmark and Corn-ing in their book "' Design'of Multistory Reinforced Conorate ~ Buildings for Earthquake Motions" both give the impression that one should never expect even a well designed structure to escape damage entirely in an earthquake of abnormal intensity. Housner says (p.128):"It is more reasonable to take,the point of view that -- in the more rare event' of a very strong ground motion, damage would be tolerated so'long as it was not a hasard to life and limb. This is the usual point of view of engineers". Blume, Newmark and Corning state (p.vi) " The
                                      .                    Bodega Head power plant. There are still some unanswereiquestions
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                    ._                                    which I shall touch on briefly in ocumenting on the rglios to the recent inquiries. Reference is made to the questions in Mr. Lowen-stein's letter of May 24, 1963 and the PG&E replies in Aamendment No. 3 (Docket No. 50-205) .
objective is to proportion a structure in such a way that -- the structure should not collapse even when subjected to the motions of.
The answer io question 1 is straightforward enough; I sm just a little skeptica.'. about the optimism expressed in view of the fact that Housner in his paper " Behavior of Structures During Earthquakes" (Journ. Eng. Mech. Div., ASCE, Oct.1959) and-Blume, Newmark and Corn-ing in their book "' Design'of Multistory Reinforced Conorate ~ Buildings for Earthquake Motions" both give the impression that one should never                                                                                       ;
i an earthquake of abnormal intensity". This-evidently is what the Uniform Building Code contemplates and this is the code that will be used in designing critical structures at Bodogs. Head.
expect even a well designed structure to escape damage entirely in an                                                                                         I earthquake of abnormal intensity. Housner says (p.128):"It is more                                                                                           !
In question 2 Mr. Lowenstein asked "What ground motions are to be used for dynsaio design?". Housner answered by stating "The design of critical structures will be based on the design velocity spectrum shown on the attached sheet". This is not an answer to the question.
            ,      -                                      reasonable to take,the point of view that -- in the more rare event'                                                                           ,
of a very strong ground motion, damage would be tolerated so'long as it was not a hasard to life and limb. This is the usual point of view of engineers". Blume, Newmark and Corning state (p.vi) " The                                                                                   -
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objective is to proportion a structure in such a way that -- the structure should not collapse even when subjected to the motions of .                                                                                         i an earthquake of abnormal intensity". This- evidently is what the Uniform Building Code contemplates and this is the code that will be                                                         '
used in designing critical structures at Bodogs. Head.
In question 2 Mr. Lowenstein asked "What ground motions are to be used for dynsaio design?". Housner answered by stating "The design of critical structures will be based on the design velocity spectrum                                                                                         ;
shown on the attached sheet". This is not an answer to the question.                                                                                         ;
It is noted thsit for the respective' dampings of 15%, 7.5% and 2.5%
It is noted thsit for the respective' dampings of 15%, 7.5% and 2.5%
the spectra 1Tr reformational motions would be only about 1.5, 2.0 and 3.5 times greater than the El Centro . ground motions. If the El                                                                                         i Centro ground motions were doubled as suggested in my recent report .                                                                                 -
the spectra 1Tr reformational motions would be only about 1.5, 2.0 and 3.5 times greater than the El Centro. ground motions. If the El i
to you the reformational motions would be only".75,1.0 and 1.6                                                                                               '
Centro ground motions were doubled as suggested in my recent report.
times the ground motions. . What concerns me is that Coast and Geodetic seismographs placed on the top floors of building,s show approximately 5 to 10 times as much motion on top floors as in basements. The higher:
to you the reformational motions would be only".75,1.0 and 1.6 times the ground motions.. What concerns me is that Coast and Geodetic seismographs placed on the top floors of building,s show approximately 5 to 10 times as much motion on top floors as in basements. The higher:
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If you do not have the B1tane,' Newmark, Corning book you should                       l
building motions during earthquakes are available but ' engineers seem to prefer using theoretical building motions (velocity spoetra) in.
    -i                               by all means get it; the preface is especially interesting. It is                               (
J their estimates of structural deformations.
(                              difficult to reconcile the unquestionable sureness that permeates                              j j                              the PG&E proposals and ammendments with the sometimes almost epolo-gotic attitude found in professional papers on the same subject where            ,
(I believe a test.or-two was made with controlled explosions with this in mind).
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the Uniform Building Code does this refer to a design acceleration in
the Uniform Building Code does this refer to a design acceleration in
      !n                           Zone 1 (minor damage) or Zone.3 (major damage)? In Zone 3 the code                   a calls for increasing lateral force factors four times over those used r                           in Zone 1. This would sesmingly represent a doubling of the lateral
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(spectral) motions and ground motions; not the minimum so often found
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Ack Receipt of Forwarding Matl Re Engineering Plans for Proposed Bodega Head Power Plant.Some Questions Still Unanswered & Commented on in Replies to Recent Inquiries
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Issue date: 06/24/1963
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- Dr. Robert H. Bryan, Chief, Research and Power Reactor Safety Branch, Division of Licensing and Regulation, U. S. Atomic Energy Commission, Washington 25, D. C.

Dear Dr. Bryan:

Over the week end I have reviewed the material for-warded with your letter of June 20 and in other ways have endeavored to reconcile my views with PG&E's engineering plans for the proposed Bodega Head power plant. There are still some unanswereiquestions which I shall touch on briefly in ocumenting on the rglios to the recent inquiries. Reference is made to the questions in Mr. Lowen-stein's letter of May 24, 1963 and the PG&E replies in Aamendment No. 3 (Docket No. 50-205).

The answer io question 1 is straightforward enough; I sm just a little skeptica.'. about the optimism expressed in view of the fact that Housner in his paper " Behavior of Structures During Earthquakes" (Journ. Eng. Mech. Div., ASCE, Oct.1959) and-Blume, Newmark and Corn-ing in their book "' Design'of Multistory Reinforced Conorate ~ Buildings for Earthquake Motions" both give the impression that one should never expect even a well designed structure to escape damage entirely in an earthquake of abnormal intensity. Housner says (p.128):"It is more reasonable to take,the point of view that -- in the more rare event' of a very strong ground motion, damage would be tolerated so'long as it was not a hasard to life and limb. This is the usual point of view of engineers". Blume, Newmark and Corning state (p.vi) " The

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objective is to proportion a structure in such a way that -- the structure should not collapse even when subjected to the motions of.

i an earthquake of abnormal intensity". This-evidently is what the Uniform Building Code contemplates and this is the code that will be used in designing critical structures at Bodogs. Head.

In question 2 Mr. Lowenstein asked "What ground motions are to be used for dynsaio design?". Housner answered by stating "The design of critical structures will be based on the design velocity spectrum shown on the attached sheet". This is not an answer to the question.

It is noted thsit for the respective' dampings of 15%, 7.5% and 2.5%

the spectra 1Tr reformational motions would be only about 1.5, 2.0 and 3.5 times greater than the El Centro. ground motions. If the El i

Centro ground motions were doubled as suggested in my recent report.

to you the reformational motions would be only".75,1.0 and 1.6 times the ground motions.. What concerns me is that Coast and Geodetic seismographs placed on the top floors of building,s show approximately 5 to 10 times as much motion on top floors as in basements. The higher:

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building motions during earthquakes are available but ' engineers seem to prefer using theoretical building motions (velocity spoetra) in.

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(I believe a test.or-two was made with controlled explosions with this in mind).

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Is this what is meant? If not, just what is the ground motion that is related to the ' design spoetra -- same as question No. 2.

i With reference to the design lateral acceleration at'the roof level-s of the reactor structure being nine times larger than is specified by

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