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| Site: | Three Mile Island  |
| Issue date: | 04/10/1986 |
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The meeting of the Advisory Panel for the 13 O 14 Decontamination of Three Mile Island Unit 2 convened, '
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15 j 16 PANEL MEMBERS PRESENT:
I l 17 ARTHUR MORRIS, Chairman
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THOMAS SMITHGALL i 19 MICHAEL MASNIK JOSEPH DiNUNNO {
20 THOMAS GERUSKY I ANN TRUNK 21 KENNETH MILLER FREDERICK RICE
. 22 GORDON ROBINSON JOHN LUETZELSCHWAB 1
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2 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Good evening. I would like to 3 call the Panel meeting to order.
4 I only have one announcement as a prelude to the 4
5 status report on defueling by GPU, which is a follow-up to 6 the Chairman's remarks. The only thing that I have to 7 comment on is that we do have a new panel member with us 8 tonight. It is John Luetzelschwab, who is a Professor of 9 Physics at Dickinson College and lives in Eddis, 10 Pennsylvania on Valley Road which is about a mile and a 11 half miles east of TMI.
12 So, John, it is a pleasure to have you join us l 1
13 and we look forward to working with you in the future. ;
14 MR. LUETZELSCHWAB: Thank you.
15 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: At this point I would like to l
16 call upon GPU to come forward and provide us with a status 17 report on the defueling if they could at this time.
18 MR. DEMMITT: Good evening. My name is Tom 19 Demmitt, D-e-m-m-i-t-t, and I am the Deputy Director of 20 Three Mile Island Unit 2.
21 you are very accustomed to having Frank 22 Standerfer, the Director, here for these presentations, but 23 Frank is unavoidedly out of town today and acting in his 24 stead while he is gone, it is also my opportunity to come 25 and speak with you tonight concerning the defueling.
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10 Organization. What we did in the organization change was 11 to, and I will use some terminology which I think you will l 12 understand, we changed from the matrix approach to j 13 . conducting defueling utilizing organizational components in 4 C:) 14 three different departments into what we call a projectized 1
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5 17 manager, and, as I said, I am acting in that capacity. l l l 18 If you have any questions on that, we can
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v 2 What this visual shows, as I am sure you recall, 3 is that with each of those dark bars representing one day 4 of time as I proceed through those various months, it 5 illustrates from the day we began the defueling activity in 6 October the extent of time, in other words, how many days 7 each month that we have been in defueling activity, and by 8 the height of the bar it indicates the number of crew 9 defueling hours that we are spending each day with crews on 10 the platform working with the long-handled tools through 11 the slot to in fact place fuel into the containers, as well 12 as to then place the caps on the containers and to do the 13 dewatering and inert gas purging and ultimately the
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14 transfer of those canisters containing fuel from the 15 reactor vessel into the fuel storage pool into the special 16 racks that hold the canisters while they are awaiting 17 shipment to Idaho.
18 As you note, and as Frank has explained before, 19 that as we started up we were very much in a learning mode 20 and we gradually increased the number of hours that we were 21 working. The number of days that were dedicated to 22 performing those defueling activities has increased and the 23 number of hours on the platform reached the peak value of 24 essentially 13 hours1.50463e-4 days <br />0.00361 hours <br />2.149471e-5 weeks <br />4.9465e-6 months <br /> a day and we have been maintaining 25 that.
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(} 1 We have been working on a seven-day week basis, 2 and with the exception of one day in March when we did not 3 perform defueling because we were doing maintenance work on 4 the vacuum system that is to be used to remove the last 5 amounts of fine debris, other than that one day we spent 6 the entire month of March with workers on the platform 7 performing the defueling.
8 We will continue to maintain this kind of a 9 record for you and to show you as we report each month how 10 we are doing in that regard.
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12 This is also the visual that Frank used last 13 time. The subject is how much weight of material we are O 14 putting into the pool. Our ordinate value here is if cumulative weight of rubble material. It says loaded in 16 thousands of pounds, and what that would mean is that that 17 is the amount of material that has been loaded into the 18 canisters and then transferred into storage in pool "A".
19 You will note that as we look at November and 20 December there were no transfers. When Frank spoke with 21 you last here on the 12th of February, we had 8,0000 pounds 22 in the pool, which I will show you in a moment, and Frank 23 had told you that we would have to achieve a rate of 4,000 24 pounds per week in order to be able to accomplish the 25 defueling within an 18-month period.
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{} 1 vhat we have now done is put additional data 2 points onto this chart and, with the exception of 4,200 3 pounds that were transferred today into pool "A," that is a 4 complete account.
5 So what we really should do is have another 6 point here representing the 10th of April. We should put 7 an additional 4,200 pounds, which would bring us to a total 8 then of 47,600 pounds of material in the pool.
9 So we have made good progress since Frank 10 reported to you last.
11 On this chart I have not been. presumptuous 12 enough to show a line through those data points, you can 13 look at them and draw your own conclusion. But I will be 14 showing some different indices of what this data means to 15 you, and I think it is quite clear from that data that we 16 have undergone a significant learning experience and that 17 we have in fact been very productive in these last weeks as 18 we have been working in this activity to remove the loose 19 debris.
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21 On the next slide, which is the exact same set 22 of data points, I did put in that additional data point 23 representing the canisters transferred today,-and I did 24 draw the same 4,000 pound-per-week curve or line that Frank' 25 spoke with you about the last time.
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1 What he was showing was an expectation that we 2 could in fact demonstrate as our time went on from mid-3 February that we could achieve that 4,000 pound-per-week l 4
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5 We were not quite able to do it during the 6 latter part of February, but you will see that in March 7 that we did come up to the line, and as March ended and we 8 have gone into April we are slightly ahead of the 4,000 9 pound-per-week rate.
10 Now one must of necessity be cautious in 11 extrapolating such information into the future because, as 12 you all know, having a good bit of knowledge concerning the 13 conditions inside the core, the amount of loose material l
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li 15 not the entire amount, and we must make a transition from 16 the removal of this loose material into what we believe 8
17 could well be a hard crust of once molten material.
18 That overlies perhaps some partial fuel 19 assemblies at the bottom of the core region, but the 20 thickness of that hard material and the exact properties of l
21 it we still do not know. We are still note quite to it 22 yet. We have a very few more inches of the loose material 23 to go, 24 In fact, one week ago this coming Saturday we 1
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I calibrated and put down through the slot, the work slot, 2 calibrated such that we could measure using a flat foot on 3
that took where the surface of the loose debris was. We 4 measured that on many radii around the core.
5 We then took a second tool which has a pointed 6 metal rod and using manual activation of a sliding hammer 7 that was attached to the top of that rod. We used the 8 force of that sliding hammer, about 25 pounds, to in fact 9 encourage that rod to go down through the loose material 10 and to determine how deep it would go before it stopped.
11 We then used the difference between those 12 measurements to calculate the volume, and from the density 13 information we have in the canisters loaded to date we O 14 converted that volume into pounds of material remaining.
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17 l thousand pounds. Since last Saturday we have placed 18 I between 10 and 11 thousand pounds of that material into 19 canisters. So we have something on the order of 13 to 15 l
20 or 16 thousand pounds left to go, and then it is our 21 expectation that we have finished with the removal of this 22 loose material.
23 There is one exception to what I juet said, and 24 that is that part of the loose material that still remains 25 at the top of the core is comprised of some end-fittings O
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3 already loaded into canisters about 75 of the end-4 fittings. There are some 25 to 27 peripheral assemblies 5 still standing around the edges of the core.
6 So when you add together what we have loaded and 7 what are still affixed to the top of those standing 8 peripheral assemblies, that leaves us some 70 or so that we 9 must still retrieve from the top of the existing core and 10 place into cans and remove. Some of those fused together 11 so that they constitute a clump of end-fittings and it will 12 be necessary for us to segment those in order to place them 13 inside canisters.
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15 ! extrapolating this data very far, because what we will be I
16 ! doing over the next several weeks is different from what we 17 have been doing the last few weeks.
And I know this was a 18 subject of some discussion by panel members at Frank's last 19 presentation.
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I 21 A part of that discussion at the last 22 presentation was concern with the fact that on February 23 12th we only had experience from 12 canisters that had been 24 filled and transferred. What I am showing here is the 1
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1 filled and transferred prior to today, and the height of 2 the bars indicates the number of pounds present.
3 So that at February 12th we had transferred the 4 first 12 cans, and the average of those first 12 cans in 5
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terms of their payload weight of debris was just under 700 l 6 pounds per can. When one took the amount of core debris, 7 some 308,000 pounds, and divided it by that 700 pound 8 average, if that was all that was expected to be achieved, 9 one obtained the number of canisters required far in excess 10 of what we currently have either on site or on order.
11 So Frank was explaining that we must achieve a 12 value of at least 1,000 pounds as an average, and he 13 speculated that yes, indeed, we would achieve that. What 14 this illustrates is of course that we have done that.
15 In fact, take the whole group of canisters since 16 the presentation that Frank made to you, in fact the 27 17 that are shown here plus the three today. So that is 30 18 additional cans. The average for those 30 additional cans 19 is 1,402 each. So that we have substantially exceeded for 20 these canisters the amount.that Frank told you that we 21 would have to achieve.
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23 Now what I am beginning to do here is to present 24 the data to you in a. variety of different forms. If you-25 take the last' chart that I just showed you which gave O
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s 2 material, and you then take the cumulative value's of the 3 averages versus either of the week ending dates of time or, 4 as well call it, the weeks of defueling beginning the first 5 of this year, one sees that the average cumulative value is
- 6 continuously increasing and it is because of the fact that 7 those cans have been weighing 1,400 pounds. We are now at 8 an average value as of today of 1,190 pounds per canister. l 9 If you then divide your 308,000 pounds of core 10 material using that value as opposed to the 700 that Frank 11 must of necessity have discussed with you last time, you i
12 obtain a calculated value of'259 canisters that is 13 required. That means our 280 currently either on site or 14 ordered is sufficient.
15 Nevertheless, as a contingency we have received 16 bids from two of our current vendors of cans for an l
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18 long lead time items that are necessary parts of that i 19 fabrication such that the materials are now on hand and the 20 fabrication is all that would remain.
21 From the date that we order those cans until 22 they would begin to be delivered to us is four and one-half 23 months, and then they would be delivered to us at the rate 24 of two to four cana a week.
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8 Again, looking at this a little bit different 9 now, instead of in terms of calendar time in looking at the 10 same data, payload per canister in terms of the amount of 11 fuel transferred to.the pool, you can see that we have 12 shown that same steady progression and obviously the same 13 end point of 1,190 pounds per can.
O- 14 The reason that I show you this slide using this 15 scale is because I have a couple of additional slides that 16 show productivity, in other words, how are we doing in 17 loading the fuel in terms of the man-hours that we are 18 spending to do it and in terms of the radiation exposure 19 that the people are receiving during that time, and I put 20 those on the same scale of weight transfer.
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22 So, first, with regard to pounds of rubble 23 transferred per man-hour expended. In other words, the 24 very first slide I showed you showed that we are spending 25 virtually every day on the platform and approximately 13 O
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, 1 crew hours a day involving five people. So some 65 hours7.523148e-4 days <br />0.0181 hours <br />1.074735e-4 weeks <br />2.47325e-5 months <br /> 2 of time each day is being spent, and for that investment of-3 man-hours how have we been doing in terms of the pounds of.
. 4 rubble that we load per man-hour consumed. . You can see 5 again from cumulative values how that has steadily
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7 Initially when we were learning to use our tools 8 and having to pick up and sort debris instead of' simply 9 being in a production mode of loading, we weren't doing j 10 very well. Approximately~ a pound of rubble oer man-hour 11 initially, and we now have increased that some six-fold and 4
12 we are still increasing that.
13 Unfortunately, now that we are extremely good at
! 14 it, or at least much better than we were when we started, 15 we are about to run out of this~ kind of material, and as we 1
16 access a different kind of material we will have another 4
17 learning experience to go through.
18 But at least we have shown that we have learned 19 a good deal, and we have shown that we can increase the 20 efficiency of the activities and that by putting more man-21 hours into the job we cannot only get more accomplished j 22 because of the man-hours, but also because of increased 1
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5 Again, initially that commitment was fairly 6 high, approximately in the range of eight millirem per 7 pound of material transferred. But as we have gotten 8 better at the transfer and as we have been able to handle
- 9 more pounds with an hour of time, naturally this curve has 10 gone down and we see it approaching nearly asymptotically a 11 value of one millirem per pound. j i 12 Now again it is difficult to extrapolate, but I 13 simply using that information were we to infer that we C 14 could do that well through the rest of the defueling, we 15 would be talking about a man-rem commitment on the order of 16 300 person-rem to accomplish defueling. It will be higher 17 than that because of these additional learning experiences,
, 18 but each of them we are optimistic will in fact show thene 19 same trends in efficiency improvement with time and in 20 better results per investment of either dollars or 21 exposure.
22 So I must say that throughout this evolution we 23 have been extremely pleased with the way the people have 24 performed, with their willingness to engage in training 25 that allows them to become more productive and with their C) !
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(} 1 willingness to work diligently using the tools available to 2 in fact accomplish the maximum that they can in the time 3 that is available to them, and because of that we are 4 optimistic about the rest of it.
5 This amount of fuel transferred represents 6 approximately 15 percent of what we have to do. So the 7 task has only really begun. Yet, we have data that has now 8 made Frank's hopes as expressed to you in February at least 9 be reality in terms of this portion of the defueling.
10 I can certainly tell you that we are going to do 11 the very best that we can do continue that record 12 throughout the defueling activity.
13 That constitutes the visuals that I had on 14 defueling.
15 One of the other subjects that Frank had 16 mentioned to you in February and one which you have become 17 increasingly aware of as have we in the intervening days 18 and weeks is the fact that we have a turbidity problem. l 19 These results have been achieved despite virtual 20 inability to see what we are doing. I am not complaining 21 about that. I am simply saying that is a fact. I wish we 22 could see, but the fact of the matter is that we cannot at 23 present.
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(} 1 water present in the reactor vessel, both in the reactor 2 cavity, the reactor core region I am trying to say, and in 3 the annulus between the core support assembly and the 4 reactor vessel. Unfortunately, we don't have projectior.
5 equipment. So I have to verbalize it as best I can.
6 What has happened is about the middle of 7 January, and I think the 12th of January, we first got 8 reports from the defueling personnel stationed on the 9 platform that they could see some discoloration of the 10 surfaces of what we call the canister positioning system 11 and it looked to them like the kind of growth that they had 12 seen in swimming pools, l l
13 Me began investigating that immediately with 14 closa-up camera photography and in fact that is exactly ;
1 15 what was occurring. That condition has worsened. We have )
i 16 an environment that is some 400 parts per million of boron 17 solution for reactivity control and that makes this water 18 quite brackish even approaching saline with regard to the 19 characteristics of the water.
20 We began with what we think was quite a simple 21 community of micro-organisms present and it quickly became i 22 very complex. It is a mature community of the kinds of 23 micro-organisms present and it quickly became very 24 complex. It is a mature community of the kinds of micro-25 organisms that you would find if you did a sampling of a I i
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1 14 what some of our people have referred to as green leafy 15 vegetable growths.
- 16 They are not exactly that. They are nature j 17 communities of considerably amounts of biomass, micro-i 18 organism mass present on surfaces, but also dispersed i 19 throughout the water such that the visibility with the TV j 20 cameras that we are using is at many times less than one 21 inch.
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1 from position to position on the defueling apparatus.
2 We have been able to load fuel extremely fast.
l 3 We have to spend a lot of time handling the containers and 4 handling the tools and verifying that latches were in fact i 5 closed and that pieces of equipment were in proper 6 positions. We have done very well as the curves have shown 7 you. There is no question we could have done much better 8 had we been able to see.
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! 12 The question is what are we doing about it. We
! 13 first noticed that, as I said, a discoloration on the 14 canister positioning system in January, and it is now April 15 and the condition has worsened.
l 16 What we have done is set up a very systematic l 17 and thorough task force approach to resolving this problem 1
18 I and it is not simple. It is a temptation for all of those l
19 of us who have swimming pools or been around water to think l 20 it is simple, that one simply puts a chemical in and the l 21 growth is killed and the filtration system removes it and l
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2 specifications for the water quality we must maintain 3 within the reactor vessel.
4 We have considered whether or not to request 5 some changes in the water quality specifications. We have 6 not made such a request. What we have in fact done to the 7 contrary is to attempt to work within the existing 8 specification and to determine how we could approach the 9 resolution of this micro-organism problem without the l
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11 We have been very fortunate in this whole 12 problem to have been able to obtain the services as the 13 task force Chairman of Dr. Beverly Ausmus who is currently
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i 14 a member of the staff of the Bechtel National Organization 15 that is part of the GPU project team.
l 16 Beverly has a doctorate in ecosystems analysis.
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{} 1 water. That treatment wi1J begin using a larger capacity 2 swimming pool filtration system, to put it in the 3 vernacular. We call it a temporary reactor vessel ,
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O 14 So we have been using a small unit of that type 15 with limited success mainly because we were not able to l
16 keep it running and we are now replacing that with a larger l 17 commercial size unit. The expectation is that by mid-week 18 next that system will be operational.
l l 19 Concurrent with the use of that, we will use 20 some special tools that we have designed that will enable 21 us to scrub the surfaces and to hydrolance those surfaces 22 with running water, borated of course, such that we can 23 flush from the surfaces the accumulated matter and suspend i
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'l material has been removed in that manner, which will-l 2 probably take at least a week, we would then bring into 3 operation at least one high-pressure pump that will by l 4 taking the water and the micro-organisms that are contained 1
5 therein in a rapid pressurization step, compress these l l
6 micro-organisms and then through a sudden release of the j
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! 7 pressure at the discharge of the pump cause a quick cycle
, l 8 of high pressurization and then a virtually explosive l I I I l 9 decompression.
I 10 We have been able to show that that technique '
l 11 does in fact accomplish in one step'the demise of 90-plus 12 percent of the organic matter life forms that are present 13 in the water. It doesn't require us to use a chemical. .I O 14 Chemicals are being evaluated for potential use to i
15 supplement the pressure /depressurization,.but what we will l l 1 16 l implement next week is not planned to utilize the addition l
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j 2 MR. SMITHGALL: How many gallons are you dealing l
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! 4 MR. DEMMITT: The volume of the reactor vessel l 5 from the surface of water in the IIF facility down to the l
l 6 debris bed is on the order of 21,000 gallons. By the time t
I 7' we add to that the rest of the water that is present in the '
l 1 8 core support assembly, a lower head region, I have got to 9 estimate, but I am saying on the order of 30,000.
10 There is communication outward, non-flow 11 communication, but communication out to the steam l l
12 generators such that there is a larger water volume, but we 13 don't treat that directly. It is simply connected to the i
O 14 main volume of water that we have to treat.
15 MR. SMITHGALL: Has this been done before?
l 16 MR. DEMMITT: The pressurization technique, as I l
17 understand it, came as a result of some of Dr. Ausmus's own l
l 18 studies elsewhere, and it was brought'into thisLtask I
19 force's evaluation. We looked at it first with ve yh !
20 pressures of 21,000 pounds per square inch. It wat .y 21 effective, but probably we figured more than was needed.
22 The most recent results have been at 10,000 l
1 23 pounds per square inch, more in the range of the pressures !
i 24 that we use for spray decontamination of the reactor vessel 25 itself. !
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- 2- ' place else. But what we have done is demonstrate using the 3 organisms that we have_ cultured from our. actual water but 4 in a non-radioactive water source. We have demonstrated j
j 5 the technique to work. So we are now prepared to give that i 6 a try on the reactor vessel.
,. 7 MR. SMITHGALL: When you cycle this water and t
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9 decompression, that will be outside the reactor vessel?
i 10 MR. DEMMITT: The high-pressure pump will be ,
j l 11 located on the 347 foot elevation of the reactor building.
1 12 It will be inside the building, but the water will in fact
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1 13 be moved from the reactor vessel to the pump, through the i 14 pump and back to the vessel. i i l 15 The swimming pool filter will be located right i 16 at the edge of the defueling work platform. So it is j 17 literally a few feet away.
18 MR. SMITHGALL: How fast do you move the water?
s' 19 MR. DEMMITT: The swimming pool filter has a i
20 design capacity on the order of 180 or 200 gallons a 21 minute. The high-pressure pump is less than that, and when 22 I said we would use at least one pump, I believe that the i
23 volumetric flow rate of one of the pumps is about 10 i
j 24 gallons a minute. So it will take about eight days using l 25 -that high-pressure pump if we use one.
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3 MR.- DEMMITT: We expect that there will be some 1
1 4 colored bodies present in the water, and although the water ;
. I 5 will be transparent enough to see through, it will l l l
6 certainly not be color of drinking water. The most likely l
l 7 guess is it will be yellowish in color based on some )
88 centrifugation results that we have performed to remove and 9 in the process destruct some of these cells.
I 10 MR. MASNIK: Will that water from the high-l 11 pressure pump be dumped directly back into the vessel? I l .
I 12 MR. DEMMITT: Yes.
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13 l MR. MASNIK: It will not be filtered before -
14 then? l 15 MR. DEMMITT: It will be dumped directly back j 16 into the vessel, but I should point out one thing, and I am 17 glad you asked the question. . We are building and preparing
( 18 to install what amounts to a' skimmer such that we would be l
19 intending that the swimming pool filter or the temporary t
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l 21 drawing from the very region to which the high-pressure l 22 pump discharge is returning water. And since 2he flow rate i
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i 4 MR. MILLER: Are you getting any accumulation of )
I 5 activity by these organisms in terms of radioactivity? l l
6 MR. DEMMITT: yes, and not only activity, but 7 also boron. There was some concern on our part, and as ;
I 8 part of the investigation we have been looking carefully at '
9 the accumulation of boron in the per unit mass of this 10 micro-organism, and we find that the distribution 11 coefficient between the water and the organism is virtually 12 one to one.
13 With regard to activity, there is some O 14 utilization of radioactive species by these micro-organisms 15 in their metabolic processes. They can use strontium very 16 well in place of calcium and they can use cesium in place 17 of potassium and sodium such that we are seeing an l 13 accumulation of radioactivity in their mass.
19 That is why part of the evaluation, as I 20 mentioned, in determining when we had to determine that one 21 of the filter units had in fact been used to its useful 22 life would be determined either based on radioactivity or 23 pressure drop. What we have found so far in our operation 24 of the existing filter is that we are shutting down based 25 on radiation before we reach limiting pressure drop.
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4 MR. DEMMITT: The high-pressure pump is 8 to 10, 5 I believe 10 gallons a minute.
6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: And that would not run 24 7 hours a day then?
i 8 MR. DEMMITT: Those pumps are normally not built 9 to operate in a continuous mode. They tend to put too much 10 I energy into the water and heat it up. Therefore, the
{ 11 manufacturers don't intend typically that they will be used j 12 in a continuous mode. What can be done, however, is to put i.
l 13 a cooler unit on the pump lubricating fluid to keep the 14 pump cool and thereby allow yourself to run essentially ,
j 15 continuously, and that is what we are doing. We hope to i
j 16 run the pump nearly continuously.
17 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: And you are saying it would 18 take eight days? )
l j 19 MR. DEMMITT: yes.
l 20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: It doesn't seem to add up.
21 MR. DEMMITT: If you are calculating it at 10 22 gallons a minute for the 30,000 gallon volume with~the f
! 23 method that we are using, you are going to have to process_
1 24 more than one vessel volume to in fact effect the cleanup. l 1 \
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3 Seven or eight days is the right time?
i 4 FROM THE FLOOR: Yes.
j 5 MR. SMITHGALL: You are not anticipating having 6 this to be a permanent fixture on your cleanup at this
<- 7 point in time. Are they going to grow back faster than you 8 can pump them out?
i l 9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I wish that I could say that j 10 we need to treat once and we can be assured that we won't 1
11 have a reoccurrence of the problem. The fact is that we 12 recognize that some kind of a maintenance program may be ,
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l 13 necessary to maintain the clarity once we achieve it. l 14 Therefore, we are prepared to take some additional steps
{ i i l 15 beyond what I have explained to you. l l
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19 of the other things that we are looking at would serve in 20 their stead, in our judgment.
21 But, first, we must effect the cleanup, and'the 22 other alternatives do not have the capability and capacity 23 of this particular method for that initial cleanup.
1 24 MR. GERUSKY: What are the chances of a hose
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3 MR. DEMMITT: That is a very good question and 4 it has been a key part of our evaluation. When we put the 5 first swimming pool filter into operation, we did it I 6 believe in early February. The initial operation of that 7 filter, which was I think about 75 gallons per minute 8 capacity, was initiated while we were using the spade 9 bucket technique to load fuel into canisters.
10 When we analyzed the diatomaceous earth after it 11 was removed from the filter, we determined that there was 12 more alpha activity present and more indication of finely 13 divided fuel than we would want to have present. It is N/ 14 allowed to have some certainly, and we can dispose of that 15 kind of waste containing some of that activity. But we 16 have to be very careful that we don't get too much.
17 Therefore, our next step was to wait and operate 18 that filter again when we were not defueling and when we 19 were not deliberately stirring up the fuel in the water, 20 and on analyzing those results found they were much better 21 than the first ones.
22 Since that time we have simply said we will not 23 be in active defueling while we are operating that filter. l l
24 It will be one of the administrative controls imposed on I 25 the filter.
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6 MR. GERUSKY: What is the concentration of 7 radioactivity in the filter now in curies per gl am?
8 MR. DEMMITT: Beverly, do you know?
9 MS. AUSMUS: It is in microcuries per gram.
10 MR. DEMMITT: I can't answer that question. I 11 am sorry. Beverly just said microcuries per gram, but I 12 don't know the answer.
, 13 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Do you want them to get you an 14 answer, Tom?
15 MR. GERUSKY: Yes, I would like that.
16 MR. DEMMITT: All right. A1, make a note, 17 please.
18 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Any other questions?
19 MR. SMITHGALL: The filtration from the swimming 20 pool filter as you call it, the high-pressure pump, and 21 skimmer and the coolers, I guess that is it, those are all 22 in the tech specs, as you say? Did I confuoc it that you 23 said you wanted to operate within your existing technical 24 specifications?
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4 i MR. SMITHGALL: All right.
5 MR. DEMMITT: This equipment is not covered in 6 our tech specs. What we would do for this equipment and in 7 fact have done is write a safety evaluation report for this 8 equipment, do the relevant analyses and show to our 9 satisfaction and to NRC that the operation of such 10 equipment in the mode proposed does not constitute a 11 hazard. Once we have done that and the approvals are 12 obtained to go ahead and do it, when we would implement the 13 use of such equipment.
n 14 MR. SMITHGALL: For the benefit of the public 15 possibly when and if you do this process, the word 16 " explosion" probably ought to be removed from the process 17 there, or " implosion" or what-have-you. That connotates --
18 I think it would cause some problems.
19 MR. DEMMITT: You are right, that is a poor 20 choice of words. Pressurization /depressurization is an 21 adequate description.
22 MR. WALD: When you referred to eight days worth 23 of filtration effort, did you include the time you would 24 not be running the filter system because of the loading 25 activities?
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j 3 brushing and operation only of the swimming pool filter. l
, l f 4 After we have thus reduced the large amount of organic I i 5 matter present, then we would initiate the operation of the i 6 high-pressure pump and continue the operation of the 7 swimming pool filter. That would take some eight l 8 additional days. I
! l 9 Even after we have completed all of that, we I 10 believe we ought to allow another two to three-day period 4
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12 talking two and a half weeks.-
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13 MR. WALD: But I am not clear on the concurrent O 14 operation of your defueling. Will that be going on during 15 that same period?
16 MR. DEMMITT: No. We will not be putting fuel i
i 17 into cans in a production mode during that time.
I 18 MR. WALD: I see.
i 19 MR. DEMMITT: Now lest that be misunderstood, we 20 will be doing work that is related to defueling and neads 21 to be done. The very next thing we will be doing in l
22 defueling after the water is cleaned up will be to place 23 into routine service the vacuum system that must remove 4 24 this last few inches of loose material that we cannot dig 25 using this bucket tool.
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2 25,000 pounds that were loose material a week ago and we 3 have picked up some 10 to 11 thousand pounds of that. So 4 there remain 13 to 15 thousand pounds of material that must 5 still be removed. At the present time it is very difficult 6 to pick that up with this spade bucket tool. It is taking 7 much longer than we would like to.
8 So next week when we begin the activity of the 9 use of this equipment that we have described for water 10 cleanup, we will spend three to four days installing the i
11 revised and improved vacuum system. We will then test that 12 vacuum system late next week or at the weekend.
13 We have several data acquisition tasks, the l
\- 14 obtaining of samples for the Department of Energy and their 15 contractor EG&G that they have requested us to obtain for 16 them, and we will use the time to search out those samples 17 and collect them and get them prepared for shipment.
18 We will also need to spend some time training i 19 our operations personnel to use this vacuum system because 1
20 up until now for the last six weeks they have been l
21 continuously using this bucket digging tool and we must get 22 them ready for that transition.
l 23 So there are a number of things that we must do, i l l 24 including some regular preventive maintenance, periodic l l
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4 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Fred.
5 MR. RICE: Does the process include the water 6 staying in the core as you are cleaning it, as you are 7 removing it? In other words, can you work under a dry 8 condition?
9 MR. DEMMITT: Are you asking, Fred, could we 10 remove all of the water from the core region and process it 11 external to the reactor vessel?
12 MR. RICE: Yes.
13 MR. DEMMITT: We would require a lot of tankage,
\2 14 point No. 1, that is not currently available. We do 15 l periodically drain some of the water from the reactor 16 vessel and replace it, and we did that the last time during 17 February, about the third week of February. The last 18 pervious time was October.
19 But to drain all of it out, we don't have enough 20 tankage at this point to drain all of that water. From the i
21 standpoint of nuclear safety if the water were all gono, we 22 presumably are in an okay situation from criticality, but I 23 can't say that for positive. It is certainly my 24 expectation that we are. I have not done any calculations 25 myself to verify that. So I guess I can't really G
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2 MR. SMITHGALL: Review with me what micro-3 organisms are there now that you have identified.
4 MR. DEMMITT: Were I to try to ---
5 MR. SMITHGALL: Saving the Latin names.
6 MR. DEMMITT: Pardon me?
7 MR. SMITHGALL: Saving the Latin names.
8 MR. DEMMITT: Saving the Latin names.
9 (Laughter.)
10 Were I to try to use those, you would recognize 11 a fraudulent attempt quickly.
12 (Laughter.)
13 Beverly has told me yeasts, fungi, bacteria, at O 14 this point virtually no algae, slime molds -- what am I 15 missing?
16 MS. AUShUS: S11 ming bacteria, 17 (Laughter.)
18 Sounds great.
(MR. DEMMITTi Anything else?
19 MS. AUSMUS:
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20 MR. DEMMITT: That's enough.
21 MR. WALD: No viruses?
22 MR. DEMHiTT: t No . We had a sample taken and I 23 believe the Universitys'of Pittsburgh -- would you like to 3
24' say a word or two on that?' I know I can't possibly handle 25 it when we get into that area.
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1 l MS. AUSMUS: We did have a sample of the air l
2 platform material taken for endotoxin and to look at those l 3 materials which could cause a pathogen problem. This is 4 the second or third time in the history of the cleanup that I
! 5 we have actually done that because the micro-organisms, 6 while now they are out of hand, have been present in the 7 reactor basement historically.
8 In those results the University of Pittsburgh 9 looked at those things which are of concern to the 10 operators, such as those bacteria which are responsible for 11 Legionnaires Disease. They also looked for the presence of 12 those materials which would result from virus organisms.
13 They did not specifically look for viruses. All of those O 14 reports came back negative.
1 l 15 , CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you.
16 Any other questions?
i 17 MR, SMITHGALL:
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18 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Did somebody on this side have 19 i a question? '
l 20 MS. TRUNK: Yes.
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21 method works how are you going to get rid of the dead 22 bacteria?
23 MR. DEMMITT: Well, the disposition technique at 24 the present time is to collect all of this discharged 25 diatomaccous earth We began using 55-gallon drums which O
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5 Also, we are confident that we can get that 6
material back out of the knock-out canister if in fact that 7 must be done to repackage it for a later disposition.
8 Considerably care in the handling of it is going to be 9 obviously very important.
10 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Tom.
11 MR. SMITHGALL: I have got to comment since I 12 had the canister concern. I must say that you have made a 13 l nice presentation. My concern is that this process that O 14 has been going on for the last six or eight weeks has been 15 basically, as I understand it, the bucket routine of just 16 dropping it into the rubble bed and letting it fall into 17 the canisters via a funnel operation, if I am not mistaken, 18 and not necessarily needing to see what you are going after 19 in simplified terms. 1 l
20 MR. DEMMITT: That is exactly right. l 21 MR. SMITHGALL: My concern now, as I have 22 expressed in the past, is going into the unknown of not 23 knowing what you have and how you project your graphs at 24 that point in time and whether you feel you can hold those 25 thousand pounds per can and 4,000 per week loading at that O
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3 MR. DEMMITT: I can only go as far as my 4 speculation would allow me to go, Tom. One thing I might 5 say is that these fuel canisters that we have been using, 6 now 28 canisters averaging 1,400 pounds, those are not 7 volume limited canisters. We in fact have more space 8 available within the canister that we could have put 9 additional material, but we became weight limited inasmuch 10 as we have a specification for delivery to Idaho that says 11 we can't exceed a loaded canister weight of 2,800 pounds, 1 l
l 12 including the weight of the can itself. I 13 So we did have more space and we could have put, O 14 L
for example, some end fittings, which are very light 15 frelatively. If we had been able to find them, we could 16 , have put them into the empty space available in those cans.
I 17 4 The point I am trying to make is that there is 18 the potential to use those cans at a lesser packing 19 fraction and get more debris in it if you don't run up 20 against the weight limitation.
21 Now to speculate, and that is all I can do, 22 because we have not yet removed any of the hard crust 23 material. With regard to the hard crust material, you are 24 very well aware that we are going to be near term at the 25 point where we would be ready to use the core boring O
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S take cores, but could drill holes in the crust and allow us 6 then with wedges, power wedges, if you will, or mandrels, 7 expanding mandrels go into the holes that we had drilled 8 and by exerting forces from within' break the webs out 9 between holes and allow us to access those pieces.
10 The next thing we have done in the preparation 11 for handling that since it might be volume ineffective or 12 not give a good packing fraction, to say it another way, is 13 we have procured and have available at this point a device 14 called a shredder, and if you are familiar with that I will 15 not explain it, but basically it is capable of chewing up 16 material into very small pieces. It is designed with a lot 17 of strength and can handle some very rugged inputs.
18 So we would intend, if necessary, to use that 19 shredder to partition or to reduce the size of these chunks 20 of material to gain a better geometry for packing fraction.
21 Through a combination of using that shredder and 22 by using a technique that would involve wedges or mandrels 23 to break pieces that we could put into the shredder, we 24 expect to be able to produce some more material-that could 25 be handled by this-digging technique if not by the vacuum
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2 MR. GERUSKY: What size pieces come out of the 3 shredder?
4 MR. DEMMITT: We had in fact demonstrated at the 5
shredder's manufacturer's plant the ability to in fact 6
shred a full-size fuel assembly, not irradiated obviously, 7 but full size, full dimensional size and to reduce it, 8
depending on the angle of entry into the shredder to reduce 9
it to a size approximately the end of your finger. At 10 other angles you get larger sizes, and it may be necessary 11 to feed the material through the shredder more than once to 12 in fact obtain the small sizes that will give the good 13 packing fractions that we need.
O 14 So we are prepared with equipment to do that, to 15 install it in the vessel. Our safety evaluation report has 16 been written and submitted. It is not yet approved, but it 17 is prepared. The core bore machine is similarly, the SER 18 is submitted and we are awaiting the action on that. Any 19 use of the core bore machine would probably not occur 20 before June the way it is scheduled now.
21 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I would like to, if possible, 22 try to finish this item up in the next couple of minutes 23 because I am sure there are going to be other chances to 24 ask these kinds of questions at future meetings because 25 some of these things are going to be taking place not far O
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3 MR. SMITHGALL: He gave me my core bore 4 question. He already answered that.
5 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Does anybody else have a 6 question?
7 MR. LUETZELSCHWAB: I have got a picture of a 8 crust on top of a loose structure underneath, and when you 9 are breaking the crust you are going to end up with a lot 10 more loose material down at the very bottom of the reactor 11 core? !
l 12 MR. DEMMITT: Nobody knows for sure what that is 13 like. The purpose of the core bore activity would be after )
14 we have substantially removed the loose material by a l l
15 combination of this picking with the bucket and vacuuming j 16 of the residual surface, the purpose of the boring is to !
17 establish what would a core through that remaining material 18 look like. Right now it is theory and I shouldn't say 19 singular theory.
20 There are various theories that say what the 21 properties of that remaining five to six feet of fuel 22 material is going to be like. We don't know.
23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Tom, thank you very much.
24' MR. DEMMITT: Thank you.
25 MR. SMITHGALL: Thank you.
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take some public comment now and of course there will be We are the point when we would l i 3 some later on. There have been two individuals, Jane Lee, l l
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l 6 However, so that we all understand the rules, because I was 7 very clear with Jane in correspondence, that we provide l 1
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! 17 because I did have some questions about the shredder.
I 18 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Why don't you come on up and 19 do that.
20 MS. DAVENPORT: I.had a series of questions on 21 the shredder.
1 22 One, I did want to make a statement that I feel 23 it does reduce things to fines, which I believe are very 24' small particles, and that was one of my-concerns about what 25 the shredder did. Also, the machine does operate within i
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(} 1 the reactor vessel, and all together it is over 7,000 2 pounds in all its structure. l l
l 3 My first question would be will the vibration of l l l 4
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6 Secondly, I am wonder how'during this will l
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8 Will it be done automatically or wi11' intermittent 9 measurements be taken while you are operating that machine, 10 the shredder?
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l 12 could answer that first. Then I had some ALARA questions. l 13 MR. DEMMITT: With regard to the first one, the 14 operation of the shredder in the vessel, what we have done 15 now is installed the shredder in our turbine building, and 16 then in addition to the work that we did at the i
l 17 manufacturer's plant using representative pieces of fuel l
i 18 assemblies or original manufacturer, we will in fact feed 19 different types of debris through it and will assess the f 1 l 20 very thing you are talking about, its ability to size !
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l 23 MS. DAVENPORT: That is the safety question and l
l 24 that is not resolved yet?
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2 MS. DAVENPORT: And the boration, will that be 3 delivered through an automatic? Is that how it is done 4 now, through an automatic machine run type procedure, or is 5 the boron measured intermittently during this procedure?
6 Will it be then or is it now the way it is delivered to the 7 core, to the water?
8 MR. DEMMITT: The boron is present dissolved in 9 the water and we will pick up pieces of solid material.
10 They will stay immersed in the water while they are run 11 through the shredder. In other words, the shredder is q 12 submerged. I am not quite sure what the delivery of boron 13 is that you mean.
O 14 MS. DAVENPORT: Well, will the boron level be 15 maintained so that there is not -- or I hope there will not 16 be a risk to criticality because I feel you will be 17 compacting nuclear materials into a finer area than they 18 were in, into smaller particles.
19 MR. DEMMITT: I see what you are getting at.
l 20 The boron concentration required to maintain reactivity )
21 control in the core has been established and reviewed l 22 extensively by many organizations. We are maintaining in 23 the water a thousand parts per million more than is 24 .actually required. We will maintain that with very 25 elaborate methods of monitoring the boron concentration in O
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(} 1 the water. We are at least a thousand parts per million 2 above the value at our current levels of boron that in the 3 most conservative case could be considered a reactivity 4 problen. And changing the size of the particles does not 5 change that conclusion.
6 MS. DAVENPORT: The finer particles in the 7 vessel are especially in the canisters though. Won't the 8 fine particles create extra pathways for boron to 9 precipitate out of solutionLalso?
10 MR. DEMMITT: Oh, I see what you are getting 11 at. The coolant is extremely well buffered. By that I 12 mean that we haven't just added the boron containing 13 chemical. We have added a neutralizing chemical along with O 14 it to in fact give it properties, buffering properties that i l
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l 17 MS. DAVENPORT: Do you feel there is an I l
18 increased risk of a pyrophoric event with zirchydrides or 19 zircalloy?
l 20 MR. DEMMITT: No.
21 MS. DAVENPORT: None at all. They feel there is 22 not a risk. l 23 MR. DEMMITT: No. That is analyzed again in the 24 safety report that deals with all of defueling.
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MR. DEMMITT: That is correct.
3 MS. DAVENPORT: Just two more. I would like to 4 know regarding maintaining worker safety and also as l 5 another criticality concern when you use a shredder you are .
6 going to build up I think it is uranium dioxides or oxides )
l 7 in the water. You have-original cafety assessments that j 8 say that you can now use filters once and you might be able 9 to use the filters again only at a certain level of 7
10 turbidity, I guess it would be, or of that material being !
11 dispersed in the water. But when you use the shredder that 12 is going to increase. Won't ALARA standards be 13 significantly changed by that, No. 1, and also your ability 14 to filter the water safety, won't that be changed and has 15 that safety factor been addressed at all?
16 MR. DEMHITT: That is a good question. The 17 originally designed equipment to accomplish the filtration 18 of the water is what we call the defueling water cleanup 19 system, and that has the filters which are centered metal 20 filters inside defueling canisters installed under water, ,
21 The temporary system that we are putting into 22 place for this initial cleanup,-the swimming pool filter 23 itself is installed just off the edge of the work platform 24 used for defueliag. It.is heavily shielded to prevent the 25 radiation that accumulates in that filter from constituting ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, lNC.
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1 5 the shredder in. I don't know what it looks like and how 4 1
6 big it is in that sense.
7 MR. DEMMITT: . When we-talk about the tooling 8 slot, we are talking about a work slot'some 18-inches wide i
! 9 .that covers one diameter of the work platform. That slot 10 also has what we call a "T" leg, in other words, a short i
11 leg that branches off at 90 degrees from the work slot.
5 12 That slot is like 22 or 24 inches wide, and it is within.
1 1 13 that larger work-slot that we will-install the shredder and 4
14 suspend it below that "T" leg.- It would not-fit into the l 15 normal work slot, but it does fit into the other leg.
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22 and having installed it prior to the installation and use 23 of the core bore machine makeo-it readily available to us j 24 for use immediately upon completion of core bore.
! . 25 CHAIRMAN' MORRIS: fDebora, if you have got'
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6 MS. DAVENPORT: I do have one about the 7 circulation filter, the air filter that you are talking
! 8 about. Are you going to maintain boration in that because 9 it seems to me when the algae hit the filters just like j 10 some boron or the boron and the algae, some of them will I
11 stay on the filters. So when that water goes through one 12 leg of its journey I guess out to one level and back to the j 13 vessel it will be borated at a lower level. Are you going l l
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22 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you.
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2 panel had when Dr. Cochran resigned, I was on my way in the 1
3 lobby with another party who was attending the meeting and l l
4 Dr. Cochran had come down from upstairs and informed me !
5 that he was instructed not to respond to anything I had to l
6 say on health.
l 7 My question to this panel is does anybody know j l
8 or has anybody here instructed Dr. Cochran not to ask or )
l 9 respond to any health issues that were presented here at :
I 10 the last meeting? l 1
1 11 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I wouldn't know who would be '
12 able to instruct Mr. Cochran not to do that quite honestly, 1
13 and I say very light-heartedly because I wouldn't dream of l
_) 14 doing such a thing and I don't know of any other panel 1
15 member that would because Tom was fully independent and 16 would ask questions when he felt free. So I wouldn't know 17 who would do that.
18 MS. LEE: Were.any of the members that are 19 present tonight and were present last week instructed not 20 to address the health issues that I presented'at the last 21 meeting?
22 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I didn't ask them to, and I 23 don't even know what you are talking about quite frankly.
24 MS. LEE: I just thought it was curious that 25 nobody on the panel had addressed it at all, and I also o
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! 2 really had too many conversations, practically none,.and i
3 that he saw fit to come down and tell me that he was
! 4 specifically instructed that he was not permitted to ask l
5 any questions of what I had presented to this board.
6 6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Well, unless somebody wants to i
l 7 jump in and say something, I don't know anything about that i
8 comment and I don't know why it was made, and you would 9 have to ask him that because he has never made that comment 10 to me as Chair. So that is the best I can do unless 11 another panel member has a comment on it.
12 MS. LEE: I want to thank the board for the time l ,
13 that you gave me here. I will not be back-for any O 14 additional hearings for this board. I do not consider that l
l 15 it represents or is a true representation of the average 16 person out there, including myself.
17 As I see this board change and some of the 1'
16 people that I see who I~am personally acquainted with in 19 their background, I realize more and more that this board 20 truly does not represent the-citizens out there who are l
21 going to be'the victims of much of what we hear is now 22 transpiring in-the process of the cleanup.
-23 I have some things that I do wish to deliver 24 around to each member of the panel, and that is all I have l
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2 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you.
3 At this time we would take a 10-minute break and 4 reconvene at 8:30.
2 5 (A recess was taken from 8:20 p.m. to a:30 p.m.)
6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I would like to begin the 7 panel meeting, if we could, the second part of it, which 8 takes us right to the status of NRC action.
9 Bill, would you be kind enough to go right into 10 this.
l 11 Just before you begin, I would like to thank the 12 panel members for what I think is the best attendance we 13 have -- I don't know if it is the best we have ever had, O 14 but the best one I can remember at least in recent memory.
15 So I thank you for such a great turnout and hope that it 16 continues.
17 Bill.
1 18 MR. TRAVERS: I am Bill Travers, and I am NRC's ;
1 19 Director of the TMI-2 Cleanup Project Directorate. I would 20 just like to update the panel on the status of a number of l 21 items that they are particularly interested in.
22 The first one deals with the status of the l 23 Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards review of measures 24 being employed at.TMI-2 to prevent against criticality 25 accidents during defueling.
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2 CHAIRMAN-MORRIS: Thank you.
, 3 At this time we would take a 10-minute' break and 4 reconvene at 8:30.
5 (A recess was taken from 8:20 p.m. to 8:30 p.m.)
6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I would like to begin the 7 panel meeting, if we could, the second part of it, which 8 takes us right to the status of NRC action.
9 Bill, would you be kind enough to go right into 10 this.
, 11 Just before you begin, I would like to thank the 12 panel members for what I think is the best_ attendance we 13 have -- I don't know if it is the'best we have ever had, i 14 but the best one I can. remember at least in recent memory.
1 15 So I thank you for such a great t'urnout and hope that it 16 continues.
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4 18 MR. TRAVERS: I am Bill, Travers, and I am NRC's
- 19 Director of the TMI-2 Cleanup Project Directorate. I would 20 just like to update the panel'on the status of a number of 21 items _that they are particularly interested in.
J 22 The first one deals with the status of the i
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(} 1 You have been provided with transcripts of two 2 meetings that were held to brief the ACRS on that issue.
3 On February 18th the ACRS sent a letter to Chairman 4 Palladino which we have sent you a copy of that in sum 5 indicates that the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards 6 concludes based on information provided to it that the 7 measures being employed to prevent against criticality 8 excursions at TMI-2 are appropriate.
I 9 That is a very statement based on a lot of time i
10 devoted to getting that information.
Il The second item I would like to brief you on 12 regards the NRC staff systematic assessment of licensee l 13 performance. We have talked a little bit about it, I know O 14 Tom and I have at the last meeting, and I would like to 15 mention that on April 3rd the SALP Board meeting at Region 16 I was held and I expect that a report will be out in late 17 April or early May and you will be provided with a copy of 18 it.
19 The third item that the panel I know is l 20 interested in deals with the Parks enforcement issue. As 21 you know, because we have sent you a copy of it, on March 22 4th the Commission staff upheld its proposed civil penalty 23 of $64,000 in the Parks harassment issue. On March 20, 24 1986 GPU requested a hearing on that issue and preparation 25 are underway to have such a hearing. It hasn't formally O
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L 2 And last, but not least, the issue of the polar 3 crane enforcement action. The last time I gave you an 4 update on that I informed you that GPU had sent in some l l
5 information that they believed bore bore on the issue of i 6 willfulness. The NRC staff sent that to Ben Hayes' l l
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l 15 actually what happened is Phil Clark sent two reports under l
16 separate attachments to that enforcement.
l 17 So the bottom line on that one is I don't have 1
18 any information to tell when that thing might be settled or 19 concluded.
20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Why? I mean I guess we are 21 all ready to jump at this one.
22 MR. TRAVERS: I figured you might be.
1 l 23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: It is March '83 since the l I
24 allegations by Parks, and it is now April '86. I '
1 25 understand that the process took ever so long initially to l t%
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get to the point of a recommendation, and then there was this independent investigation done and submitted and is 3 now under review. Why can't you tell us when you can 4 expect to complete that?
5 MR. TRAVERS: There is a fundamental reason I 6 can't, which is because I am not involved in it and I have 7 no influence on it. I provided input to the findings that 8 were originally conducted when the violations of the 9 regulations were identified.
10 Maybe I review what I do versus ---
1 l 11 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Well, it is not that so much 12 as who has the independent investigation to review? You 13 said Ben Hayes was sent it and he declined to comment on it 14 or review it.
15 MR. TRAVERS: ye s .
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16 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Then it went to somebody else j 17 in the NRC --- l 18 MR. TRAVERS: Yes, that is right. It reverts to l 19 Inspection and Enforcement, and in this case more 20 specifically the enforcement staff who has the agency 21 mission for preparing enforcement actions, at least I
22 proposed ---
23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: That is Ms. Axelrad's group?
l i 24 MR. TRAVERS: Correct.
l l 25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Now that group has it. How I
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3 I think the panel would like to see that happen. It should 4 be done timely and I think we would like to see some 5 milestones at least reached on it.
6 MR. TRAVERS: Well, you are an Advisory Panel to 7 the Commission and maybe that is your best avenue. I don't 8 know.
9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: But it is in Jane Alexrad's 10 area for review?
1 11 MR. TRAVERS: That is what I have been told.
12 That is correct. I have been trying, even if I have not 13 been too successful in getting the right' answer, to keep
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14 you abreast of what I know is happening on that issue.
15 MR. SMITHGALL: Boy, this looks like a dodge. I 16 am having difficulty understanding why one level of 17 investigation is declining to go any further with this and 18 that is hired by the Commissioners.
19 MR. TRAVERS: Well I know Art has been talking l l
20 to Ben, and maybe he has gotten some information from him.
21 I certainly haven't.
22 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I don't have any information 23 from Ben on this item. He didn't mention that they had not 24 agreed to comment on it. He did indicate that this item 25 was not any longer under his jurisdiction.
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w-2 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: He did give me a letter which 3 I think all the panel members have a copy of of the one 4 item that he does have, and that is the investigation of 5 individual operator actions concerning the falsification of 6 leak rate test data. It is the only one he has.
7 If the panel would like, I would be more than 8 happy to write a letter to the Chairman expressing our 9 concern et least on the fact that this does seem to be 10 dragging on. If Ben Hayes has refused to comment on it, I 11 hope that somebody in the NRC is going to review it timely 12 ' and make the kind of comments to the Commission that they 13 need in order to move forward on it. I would like to O 14 express that type of thing to the Commission if the pane 15 would agree to it.
16 MR. SMITHGALL: What is the panel's pleasure 17 here? I personally would like to have Art do that.
18 Anybody else agree with that?
19 MR. ROTH: I agree.
20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Unless there are objections to 21 it, I would to just write a letter and address it to the 22 Chairman and express that opinion. I did talk to Ben and 23 he did not mention this, and because of that, because he 24 didn't raise it and I didn't see it as an issue with Ben, I 25 did not feel it was necessary to drag him all the way here O
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3 MR. TRAVERS: I just have one additional item, 4 and that is that last time I mentioned when the Executive 5 Director for Operations, at that time Bill Dircks, left NRC 6 that Victor Stello, Jr. had been appointed Acting Executive 7 Director for Operations.
8 Since then Chairman Palladino in consultation 9 with the next Chairman of the NRC, Admiral Zech, has made l
l 10 Mr' Stello's appointment permanent, and I just thought I 11 would pass that along.
12 Unless you have some questions for me, that is 13 all I have.
14 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Joel.
15 MR. ROTH: Bill, I would just like to follow up 16 on the preparations for the hearings, GPU and NRC. Can you 17 give us the protocol involved with these hearings as best 18 you can?
19 MR. TRAVERS: I know a little bit about it, and 20 a little bit is sometimes dangerous, but let me tell you a 21 little bit.
22 MR. ROTH: We will take that.
23 (Laughter.)
24 MR. TRAVERS: There is an Administrative Law 25 Judge appointed to hear the case. The information on the
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get to air their views on the matter and the Administrative Both sides 3 Law Judge, and there may be more than one, and I think 4 there is a panel of three. I may be wrong on that, but in 5 any case, they render a decision and I think there are 6 further appeals that are at least not within the NRC 7 available, but within the courts available to GPU-if they 1 8 wish to go further with it, assuming that the decision by 9 the Administrative Law Judge is not in their favor.
10 MR. ROTH: Do you have a rough time frame when i
11 these hearings will start?
3 12 MR. TRAVERS: No. I asked that question before 13 coming this evening, and that kind of plan is what is being i
14 conducted right now, you know, and what kind of schedule 15 ought to be appropriate.
16 MR. ROTH: Right. So in other words again, and 17 this is certainly not directed at you, Bill, and I think 18 you understand that, possibly you are talking a real long-19 term appeal process on this basic thing from March of '83; 20 is that right?
! 21 MR. TRAVERS: Yes, and I think, frankly, that 22 kind of process and the length associated with it is 23 available to any licensee who has a judgment at least in 24 draft issued against somebody. These are procedural steps 25 that are available under the regulations. But you are
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3 MR. MASNIK: Joel, I talked to the lawyer, the 4 NRC lawyer, the staff lawyer just a couple of days ago, and 5 I will be meeting actually with him tomorrow afternoon. He 6 told me, as Bill said, they are formulating a schedule now 7 and preparing a Federal Register notice acknowledging the 8 fact that GPU requested the hearing.
9 As soon as a schedule is established, I will
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12 MR. ROTH: I appreciate that. Thank you.
13 Just one further question, Bill, on this. When O 14 we get to No. 8, the polar crane enforcement action, and I 15 questioned you on the independent investigation, the term 16 " independent investigation," and Steir and Richardson. Now 17 I am still not clear on Richardson. Was Richardson 18 involved with the Steir report, or is that a separate 19 report that concurred with Steir, or is that a joint 20 report?
21 MR. TRAVERS: I believe, and let me test my 22 memory, that the information provided by Mr. Richardson was 23 prepared by Bechtel. So there is a joint effort between 24 Mr. Richardson and Mr. Steir. At least two pieces of 25 information are forwarded under Mr. Clark's letter, and I ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
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3 MR. TRAVERS: I think that is the. essence of the l 4 way it came out. I haven't looked at it recently.
5 MR. ROTH: I guess my only problem is the word 6 " independent" in that I guess I have never seen a negative 7 report from Mr. Steir yet.
8 MR. TRAVhaS: I am sorry if these words give you 9 trouble, but we were just trying to. indicate that the 10 investigation wasn't OI. It was ---
11 MR. ROTH: Minor compared to the other things we 12 have heard.
13 MR. TRAVERS: It was done by the licensee.
O 14 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Any other panel member have a ;
15 question on this topic or anything else that Bill commented 1
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l 17 (No response.)
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i 22 an offsite radiological monitoring program and that is to 23 be discussed by Chairman Morris.
24 MR. TRAVERS: May I address something on Item 6 25 because I don't think everything has been answered on O
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2 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: You can get out front there 3 with Smithgall, too, if you like.
4 (Laughter.)
5 MR. TRAVERS: I just wanted to ask Tom if he has 6 any questions? A couple of the things that Tom stated in 7 his letter were directed at me and my staff. I realize 8 that maybe all the information wasn't available at the 9 time, but just want to make sure that there is no lasting 10 impression. And since this letter was sent to an NRC 11 Commissioner, I am particularly interested that we haven't 12 tried to impart some information that we knew about to the 13 panel. I think we have been trying to do that and I plan 14 to continue to do it.
15 I guess I just wanted to make sure that Tom 16 understood it, and if he doesn't, to try to clarify it for 17 him. If there is something specific that troubles him, I 18 would like to address it.
19 MR. SMITHGALL: I am fine with the canister 20 issue.
21 MR. TRAVERS: Thank you.
22 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you. Where are we 23 again? Offsite monitoring.
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4 have been part of that, the NRC I believe and several 5 different groups looking at the entire offsite monitoring 6 program, and we felt maybe it was time, or at least I did, 7 tc ask the question as to whether there was a need to 8 review or revisit this question again.
9 Bill is here and, Tom, you are too, and maybe 10 .you would like to(speak to it this evening a little bit.
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off until there is some other proposals out and the pros 2 and cons of those could be discussed. l 3 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: That is fine with me. I just l
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7 coming out pretty soon. They have been working on the 8 project for a year at least.
9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay. Anybody else want to 10 comment on that?
11 Niel.
12 MR. WALD: My recollection was that it was not a 13 theoretical question, but a question of the act2a1 0 14 environmental monitoring programs that were in place and i 15 whether any changes were needed. That was reviewed, to my I
16 recollection by Bill Kirk with the people on your staff 17 plus NRC and so on.
18 Is the work for the Fund -- at least my 19 understanding was that was to be a model program, but not 20 necessarily one to be applied specifically or to be 21 considered as a modification of what is going on now.
22 I think what you are asking, Arthur, is whether 23 what is going on now is still what is appropriate for the 24 circumstances.
25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: That is right.
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3 MR. GERUSKY: In talking to chairman of the 4 group that was working on it I was under the impression 5 that they were to design a model environmental monitoring 6 program for Three Mile Island and not -- and I could be 7 wrong because I haven't talked to her about this subject in 8 nine months or something like that.
9 MR. MILLER: Tom, I think you are 10 misinterpreting, and I think Niel is correct. What they 11 are doing is developing a model plan for nuclear power 12 plants and not specifically aimed at TMI, and I say that 13 because I am on the advisory committee for that study.
O 14 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Well, maybe with that as at 15 j least a little bit of background discussion, Bill, did you 16 want to make any comments?
17 MR. KIRK: Bill Kirk, EPA. I have been asked by 18 l my management to revisit that monitoring program that we 1 i
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20 what we are doing now and to incorporate a hypothetical 21 phase-out plan that would indicate at what period of time l i
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23 We are theoretically one and a half to two years 24 from that being done. The idea is not to set a date at 25 which we are going to shut things down, but to identify at O
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what point in the cleanup procedure we could stop doing one 2 particular type of monitoring or another.
3 For instance, when all the fuel is in the can it 4
would be obviously safe to stop doing krypton monitoring as 5 far as Unit 2 is concerned. The reason we are here is Unit 6 2. You may be interested to know that despite Gramm-Rudman 7 we are in the budget for fiscal '87 ---
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9 --- apparently at the same approximate level 10 that we are this year. We have gotten down so small that 11 they are having a hard time finding anything to cut away 12 except for the bones. - '
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O 14 Our telephone companies are trying to work on us 15 in this same way. Our phone costs suddenly jumped 40 16 percent in January. The second divestiture said that all 17 individual phone companies will now render their own 18 I billing. So my phone bills jumped from $1,200 a month to I
19 $1,700 a month and I am now having some difficulties with 20 the individual phone companies being able to find the 21 equipment for which they are supposed to have 22 responsibility to service. I didn't have that problem l
23 under Bell, and maybe I shouldn't complain about these l 24 things, but I find them somewhat amusing on occasion.
25 (Laughter.)
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4 Let me just pursue that and then go to Joe 5 here.
6 MR. SMITHGALL: Not the phones.
7 (Laughter.)
8 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Not the phones, but the first 9
part, and that was the fact that you are presently taking a 10 look at what kind of monitoring may be phased out when you 11 get to certain milestone cleanup stages.
12 MR. KIRK: Right.
13 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: What will be the process you O 14 will follow? First you are going-to prepare some kind of 15 recommendation, and will you share that with the panel?
16 MR. KIRK: Well, the first stage will be to 17 share thoughts with the various other people that are doing 18 monitoring and make sure that I have everything that they 19 are doing correct.
a 20 For instance, if I say that the State is going 21 to take over doing such and such piece of monitoring at 22 such and such a time that they are actually willing to do 23 that at that time. Then it would come back to outside 24 review.
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6 MR. KIRK: Right.
7 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Joe.
8 MR. DiNUNNO: Bill, I was curious. TMI-1 9 obviously has an environmental monitoring program that is 10 required of it as a function of its operation. There must 11 be an overlap in the kind of measurements that will be made 12 for TMI-1 versus those that you are doing right now. What 13 I was trying to get a feel for, if you could comment, is do O 14 you anticipate that some of the things that you have been 15 monitoring, that there will be a continuity of data that 16 would follow from the TMI-1 environmental monitoring 17 program?
18 MR. KIRK: Well, GPU, the State monitoring 19 programs and NRC are designed to cover both, or at least 20 particularly GPU and the State are covering Unit 1 and Unit 21 2 simultaneously as a site and not specific to one or the 22 other. Some of the things we are starting to see now are 23 coming from Unit 1, things that we weren't seeing before 24 from Unit'2 in the effluent water.
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2 of Unit l's operation, if it did in fact begin operation 3 again, would there be a necessity to look at the monitoring
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l 5 the key reasons why I had mentioned to the Chairman that i 6 this subject should be revisited, because it was mentioned j 7 at that time that when Unit i started should this panel j 8 convene again and say the program should be modified or 9 not.
10 MR. KIRK: The answer to that I think is the
! 11 utility's program will adjust and the State's program will 12 adjust. My program is for TMI-2. Ergo, it will not 13 adjust, but anything that comes out in any of our samples,,
j O 14 you know, if we find anything there, obviously we will 15 report it, but we are not putting on anything new as a 16 consequence of Unit I coming on operation.
17 Now we had put into effect some months ago, back-18 in the early part of-'85, in the middle of '85 we got it on 19 line, an inlet monitor-that is taking a daily water sample 20 that matches out outlet monitor, and we have been
] 21 successful'in differentiating between what started at TMI 22 and what was in the water when it got to TMI. We have 1
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4 5 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Bill, I think we understand 6 that you would not necessarily as EPA do any additional 7 testing because of the restart of TMI-1. What I guess we 8 had hoped would happen, and it is not necessary that you be 9 the spokesperson for the group by sitting up front here, 10 but that the groups would get together and at least somehow I 11 put together a unified program and take a little bit of a
! 12 fresh new look at it since the restart to make a i 13 determination along the lines that Mike just said
- 14 understanding that your responsibility is basically for 15 monitoring in regard to TMI-2.
16 It would take you and I guess Tom Gerusky and 17 other individuals involved, and I guess I would be looking 18 at you to maybe offer some comments or make some 19 suggestions on that.
4 20 MR. KIRK: The idea in revisiting the thing was 21 to include any updates that had been done and make sure 22 that what is on paper represents what is being done.
23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: And as part of that update 24 would somebody be referring to some of the changes that are l 25 being made as a result of TMI-1 so that we kliow why some of -
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i 10 MR. DINUNNO: Mr. Chairman, I was urging one 1 11 thing more by my~ question, namely, as you phase out the 12 logic of your phase-out program, which could be a function l 13 of the additional monitoring that may be picked up as a 14 result of TMI-1 monitoring. So it really isn't a phase-i 15 out. It is simply a phase-out by EPA because others are 16 picking up equipment types of information and that is what 17 I was suggesting.
18 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay. Any other comments or 19 questions?
20 (No response.)
21 Hearing none, Bill, thank you very much. We do 22 have a couple of other things besides the public comments 23 even though that is the only thing that shows on your 24 agenda.
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i 3 MR. SMITHGALL: yes, that is one of them.
4 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: And we have also been told by 5 GPU that their film now is here and it takes about three 6 minutes to run through. We will probably take that up l
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j 11 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Fine.
12 Tom, why don't you go first, then Gordon, and i 13 then we will decide if we have enough time for that film 14 run-through.
15 MR. SMITHGALL: I have questions on SER for 16 probably Bill.
17 Where do those evaluations stand as far as the l 18 additional equipment for the flitration process stands at <
1 19 this point in time? Have they been presented to you? l l
20 MR. TRAVERS: Not yet, no.
1 21 MR. SMITHGALL: They have not been presented.
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3 MR. TRAVERS: That is right.
4 MR. SMITHGALL: The core bore SER7 5 MR. TRAVERS: That is presently under review.
6 We expect to complete that within a few weeks.
7 MR. SMITHGALL: Okay, very quickly on that one.
8 It just was brought to my attention by someone 9 and I am very sketchy on this but maybe you can help me i
10 out. In reference to other GPU facilities, and I know 11 maybe this gets a little bit out of your purview, but of 12 course we are going to be transporting radioactive 13 materials from this site.
O' 14 Have there been any violations by this company 15 in transportation violations made from say Oyster Creek?
16 MR. TRAVERS: I am sorry, I don't know.
17 MR. SMITHGALL: Is there any way we can find 18 out?
I 19 MR. TRAVERS: I can find out, sure.
20 MR. SMITHGALL: Obviously we had the one here, 21 and someone brought it to my attention that they seen 22 inspection reports from that facility and there were 23 violations there and I have no documentation of it. I just 24 wondered if you might be able to help us out on that, or 25 help me out anyway.
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(b 1 2 MR. SMITHGALL: Thank you.
3 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Gordon.
4 MR, ROBINSON: I have just one quick problem 5 here, and that is I think as a panel and as the Chairman 6 perhaps you can handle this, I think we ought to query Tom 7 Cochran as to his meaning of his comments to Jane Lee. In 8 particular you might want to send him a copy of this 9 particular document here, and I would like to see his 10 comments made public at the next meeting if possible.
11 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Well, I thank you for 12 mentioning this, and I didn't intend on saying this, but I .
I 13 have already written down that I will send Tom Cochran a 0' 14 letter with a copy of this Letter to the Editor from Jane 1
15 Lee asking him where she got that from and expect that I l l
16 will, even before I get an answer, I am going to write as 17 Chair a letter to this publication indicating that I know 18 of nobody that has muzzled Mr. Cochran in any way, and I am l l
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24 Joe.
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., 13 MR. DEMMITT: yes, I can. The situation with
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1 MR. DiNUNNO: Very good. Thank you.
2 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you, and I think that is 3 about what they were talking about doing something by the 4 middle of this year. So if that were changed, we would 5 appreciate hearing from you directly on it.
6 Are there any other questions from the panel at 7 this time?
8 (No response.)
9 If not, did you indicate that this was about a 10 three-minute presentation?
11 MR. DEMMITT: yes.
12 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Why don't you go ahead and 13 show it, if you would.
N- 14 (Pause.)
15 Does anybody know where Mr. Rice went?
16 (No response.)
17 Did he get sick or something or did he just 18 leave?
19 FROM THE FLOOR: He had other meetings.
20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I just wish he would mention 21 something to the Chair before he just walks out. Hopes he 22 reads it in the transcript.
23 (Laughter.)
24 (Film presentation.)
25 MR. SMITHGALL: You are right about the O
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3 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you very much.
4 We would at this point go right to public 5 comment, if we could.
6 If there anybody else from the public that would 7 like to make a comment tonight or any any questions?
8 (Show of hands.)
9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: All right.
10 MS. DAVIS: Beverly Davis, Mechanicsburg. I 11 have a couple of things that roam over the map.
12 First of all, I sense that the panel is as 13 concerned as the public about the fact that nothing has 14 been done and this business about Parks goes on forever and l l
15 ever and ever, j 16 I would like to make a comment, for what it is j l
17 worth, that perhaps the Advisory Panel, and I don't know 18 whether this is a policy that you do regularly, but I would 19 suggest that there be regular correspondence on concerns 20 like this with the Commissioners themselves.
21 It is obvious that in many cases where the 22 public has tried to go through their administrative law 23 process that it can quickly be short-circuited if the 24 Commissioners decide they want to short-circuit it.
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12 I wish that someone could clarify that for me.
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l 14 Bev, because I had the same concern and maybe we can l l 1 l 15 address that.
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20 make a littlo sense out of that timing-wise? l 21 l l MR. SMITHGALL: Do you mind me stopping you, '
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( 23 MS. DAVIS: No, no. That is what I am asking.
24 MR. DEMMITT: What I said was that we are in the 25 process of installing the equipment and we know we are at l
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2 report and the procedures by which that equipment will be J 3 operated, we cannot and will not start it up. But it is 4 equipment that we are convinced is worth using to try to 1
5 clean this water up and that it is safe to do so, and we !
6 are proceeding to install it. We will stop short of 7 operating it until such time as we do have Commission 8 approval.
9 We are hopeful that that Commission approval can 10 be obtained essentially coincident with the installation of 11 the equipment. It may not occur that way.
12 MR. SMITHGALL: Thank you.
13 MS. DAVIS: Thank you.
O 14 In the same presentation the gentlemen talked 15 about requesting that the water standards be reduced. I 16 would hope that the panel would ask this kind of question 17 when those things are thrown out. Sometimes they are and 18 sometimes they aren't. I would hope that the panel would 19 ask the question, but since they haven't, I would like to 20 know the significance of reducing the water standards.
21 These are not water standards for my drinking water. They 22 are water standards that must have something to do with I
23 criticality and with filtration. I don't know, but there '
24 is a lot of scientists on this panel that must know.
25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I may have misunderstood him.
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%J 1 I thought he said that that was something they could 2 consider doing, but they weren't at this time pursuing it.
3 Did I misunderstand that point in part?
4 MR. DEMMITT: It is correct. We have not 5 requested any change in the tech specs for water quality.
6 We are investigating certain chemicals for potential use if 7 and when necessary. That by their very nature would mean 8 that we could not use them within the existing tech specs 9 and therefore should it become necessary to considering 10 doing that, we would have to in fact justify a change in 11 the technical specifications.
I 12 MS. DAVIS: Well then I ask as an amateur what 13 that kind of thing would mean? I mean what would changing
( kl 14 the tech specs do in terms of the standards and what would 15 you be relaxing and what would you be changing? Can that 16 be explained to the public?
17 MR. DEMMITT: yes, it can. I can address part i
18 of it, and perhaps, Bill, you wanted to say something, too.
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j 8 MS. DAVIS: How does the approval for such a 9 change come about?
10 MR. DEMMITT: We would in fact have to do the !
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20 MS. DAVIS: Does that come about through staff 21 approval alone or is that something that has to be j 22 submitted through the commissioners?
i 23 MR. DEMMITT: I need your help.
24 MR. TRAVERS: The answer to that is it is staff 4
25 approval as opposed to going as high as the commission.
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MS. DAVIS: I am concerned about this kind of thing because I know you folks don't meet that often, and I 3 am wondering if you are kept apprised of something of that 4 kind? In this case perhaps it doesn't mean anything. You 5 know, it is hard for a layman to know, but I am sure that l
6 the people that are on this panel know whether these things l 7 are significant safety questions, i
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l 17 require a meeting in order to take it a panel response.
l 18 However, individual members do have the right to ask l 19 questions in between panel meetings and then have those l 20 questions answered to their satisfaction. That is how it l
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24 MS. DAVIS: Okay. One of the things that han 25 been missing and I thought would be addressed is the l
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7 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: In Unit 1.
8 MS. DAVIS: Okay. Then you can't address that.
I 9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Let me ask you, Bev, how many 10 other questions you have because we do attempt to try to 11 keep it to five minutos, and you have been up here for 12 eight or nine and thare are three or four other people that 13 have indicated a oesire to ask questions.
O 14 MS. DAVIS: Okay. One other question. The 15 storage for water, he indicated in the processing of the
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CHAIRMAN MORRIS: As I understood it, that pertained to the 30,000 gallons that was specific to the 3 reactor itself, and if that would be pumped out there was 4 no place to store that particular water. But I don't think 5 that is a problem for an increased quantity of water in the 6 processed water system.
7 Now somebody may want to respond to that beyond 8 me, but I 'think they are two separate and distinct 9 questions, and then we were told that they couldn't take 10 the 30,000 gallons out totally anyway and there was some 11 problem with doing that.
12 MS. DAVIS: All right. One other thing, I know 13 that GPU has, you know, the necessity to present a lot of O
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15 that are being asked by Debbie, for instance, were 16 significant questions, I would hope that a time would be I l
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19 questions, but I think there was a stries of very serious 20 questions there, and I would ask if perhaps the whole list l 21 of questions could be at least read into the record. I 22 think it would be difficult for her to pick them up, first 23 of all, and I think there may be some additional ones.
24 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Well, again, I think, and I 25 keep repeating thir. at every meeting, if Debra feels she l 1
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i 9 We can do that for any citizen as long as it is l 1
i 10 not repetitive at every meeting and you don't take up a lot 11 of other time. If you have a specific reason why you feel I
12 you necd time to ask questions and discuss a subject 13 matter, we can do it for you, but we need to know ahead so O 14 we can have an agenda that doesn't run on until midnight.
} 15 We will try to be responsive.
16 MR. SMITHGALL: With that point taken, though, I 17 think we ought to respond to the latter part of her 18 suggestion, and that was if we cannot get them read or if 19 they cannot be asked or if they do not get onto the agenda, 20 can they be placed into the record so that possibly we can j 21 benefit from those questions as panel members and possibly 22 the staff could respond to them. I think that is a worthy 23 suggestion. I mean I don't know that it is going to take i
24 up long pages that the NRC has to read.
25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I think it is a worthy 4
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11 if a citizen would come up to me after the meeting and l
12 present them to me and give me a chance to look at them, 13 and if I feel that they are germane to our discussion and 14 what we are about, then I could ask them to be included as l 15 an attachment and see whether the NRC couldn't answer 16 them. We could do it that way, t
! 17 Who is the next person that should come up?
l l 18 Ms. Pickering.
19 MS. PICKERING: Kay Pickering. There is a lot 20 of citizen concern about the radiation monitoring. We have l
l 21 been concerned about it for years, even before the 22 accident. That is one of the reasons Three Mile Island 23 Alert was formed two years before the accident.
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3 As I understand the status of their studies and 4 reports, his, the Institute's report is finalized and 5 should be released very soon. I understand that Ruth 6 Patrick's is not ready for release.
7 They are compatible and yet they have distinct 8 differences. Her's is a biological type study of the area 9 and the biology, and a model can be set up, not just for 10 TMI, but for other nuclear power plants based on the 11 information that they will present.
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14 i power plants and other monitoring systems and possible 15 models for other systems.
16 Three Mile Island Alert, because of our concern, 17 we have set up, we have a workshop for not this Saturday 18 but the following Saturday where Bernd Franke will be 19 talking about his report, recommendations and what some of 20 the problems are that he sees with the monitoring.
21 We are looking at what citizens can do. Is 22 additional equipment needed and what activities can be done 23 in the community. We are seriously examining this and 24 trying to work with the experts, the State and the Federal 25 Government on these questions.
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We are very involved in supporting a proposed Clean Air'Act in Dauphin County, and this is under i ,
l 3 consideration and I hope that is not one of the reasons why l 4 your panel member, Mr. Rice, left because we have been in 5 discussion with him and trying to get information to him on 6 this proposed ordinance and some of the problems with the 7 monitoring.'
8 So I would hope that the Advisory Panel would 9 keep on top of this issue and would have Mr. Franke here 10 when his report is released because I think hearing from 11 him as to what the results of his study are at your next 12 panel meeting is a way to go. I think that that is an 13 important consideration.
O 14 He does live in the area and I would hope that i
15 you would ask him to be here and that there would be time 16 for possibly examination of his report ahead of time or a 17 presentation and then have him back for questions and 18 answers, and when Ruth Patrick's is available to do the
! 19 same thing.
20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I realize though that you did 21 hear what we were talking about earlier on in that Bill 22 Kirk is going to be coordinating a review of the 23 monitoring. I think we would be willing to consider what 24 you are suggesting if the panel .nembers feel that it is t j 25 germane to the TMI-2 cleanup effort and not necessarily t
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4 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: And if it is germane mostly to 5 the cleanup rather than the restart.
6 MS. PICKERING: I don't know how you can 7 separate them.
8 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: We understand the point, but 9 the only reason I am responding to you this way is not to 10 leave you with any misconception that we will do it for 11 sure. I think we will need to review and discuss that as a l
l 12 panel to decide if it is germane, and if it is, then fine.
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i 16 monitoring and the proper monitoring as we continue through 17 cleanup, and that is why we have asked Mr. Kirk to do what 18 it is that he has agroed to do tonight.
19 MS. PICKERING: Well, I would hope as a first l 20 step you would ask for the reports. So even though you l
l 21 don't have the individuals in, you could review the reports l
22 in summary form possibly, not the complete reports.
23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Quite honestly, I think Tom l 24 Gerusky talked about thooe reports earlier tonight and Ken l I 25 Miller indicated some involvement in some way I think, l 1 O l i
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5 I don't know whether you want to comment now, 6 Ken, or not.]
7 MR. MILLER: I don't really want to comment 8 because I am not sure what the status of the reports are.
9 I will say, howcVer, that on April the 29th at 7 p.m. there 10 will be a meeting of the Advisory Committee with the study 11 groups at the Marriott Hotel, and as far as I know the 12 public is certainly invited to attend those.
13 And I should say that at the last meeting of O 14 this advisory committee I specifically asked that Bernd 15 Franke be present at the next meeting to present a report 16 of his findings.
17 MS. PICKERING: I think it is only fair to add 18 I that the public can attend those, but cannot ask questions l
19 or interact in the same way that this interaction takes 20 place at this Advisory Panel. That is a closed meeting as 21 far as participation goes.
22 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I think that is unfortunate.
23 There is not much we can do about that. Maybe you can have 24 some impact by going and speaking to the individuals that 25 run that meeting.
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1 MS. PICKERING: Well, for your own information, 2 if you would attend, you wouldn't be able to ask questions 3 is the point I am making.
4 CNAIRMAN MORRIS: .!f I would attend that may be 5 true.
6 MS. CORRADI: Joyce Corradi, Concerned Mothers 7 and Women. .
8 One of the questions, and I only have one 9 tonight, so rest assured, Mayor ---
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--- ore o f the questions that I have concerning 12 the botanical growths in Unit 2 in the tubings is we were 13 assured approx 1hately four years ago that there would be no 14 such problem as this when we asked the NRC a specific 15 question concerning this, that there was too much radiation 16 to hnve growths of this type in the tubes.
17 I would like to know when the growth started to 18 occur and has there besn a real definitive study of those 19 growths and is it jt2st strictly to plants or also are there 20 microscopic animals ihvc1ved in this, too?
21 MR. SMITHGALL: Maybe I will just jump in and 22 move this along. Accordit:g to the presentation that began 23 in mid-Janutry when the problem -- or at least from what 24 Mr. Demmitt has given to us, we got yeast, fungi -- and I 25 wrote these down because I love them -- mature biomass, O
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5 MS. CORRADI: Okay, that is fine with me. Are 6 there any animals also, microscopic animals in this, or is 7 it just strictly plant life?
8 MR. DEMMITT: Where is Beverly when I need her?
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12 MR. MASNIK: I think at the level of life form 13 that you are talking about, some of them could be
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15 i considered by animals and plants, but you are at a level of l 16 i evolutionary development where it is oftentimes difficult i
17 to differentiate between what truly are animals and what 18 truly are plants.
19 l MS. CORRADI: I understand. The reason why I am 20 asking the question is if in fact you have a combination of 21 I the two, does it not affect the way you would try to handle 22 eliminating them or it does not matter?
23 MR. MASNIK: No, not at that level.
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2 MR. MASNIK: Generally that is the case. There 3 is some difference in the way you would treat anaerobs and 4 aerobs, but that is a small matter.
5 MS. CORRADI: Thank you very much.
6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you, Joyce.
7 Is there anybody else from the public? '
8 MS. DAVENPORT: I have one more.
9 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: This will be the last 10 question, but you go ahead, Debora.
11 MS. DAVENPORT: I wanted to know if testing is 12 now going on in the area under the reactor vessel?
13 Specifically, too, I wanted to know if the floor O 14 under the reactor vessel has been tested yet or whether 15 there are any plans to test it to see if any core materials 16 did indeed go through the bottom of the reactor vessel?
17 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay, thank you. Somebody 18 come up and answer those two questions.
19 MR. DEMMITT: We have been doing examinations to 20 attempt to provide the information you are talking about.
21 We have penetrating in through the bottom head of the 22 reactor vessel a series of noz7.les. Those nozzles have 23 passing through their center instrument tubes that lead 24 back away from the bottom head of the reactor to another 25 elevation for the other end of those tubes.
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6 We can't give the positive answer on the results 7 of those analyses. We can't say absolutely there isn't.
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12 l MS. DAVENPORT: If you do find that there ---
13 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Excuse me, Debora. I O 14 permitted a question and you -- go ahead and ask this one, 15 but that is -- don't keep putting me in that position. If 16 you say you have got one question, fine.
17 MS. DAVENPORT: This is the last one. Will that 18 change your defueling plans or plans for anything like the 19 shredder? I have just read the evaluation in the PDR on 20 the flush system that is being planned. If you find that 21 there might have been a melt through or some kind of break l 22 through in radiation, will you kind of pull back for a l 23 while until you assess the situation for safety? l 24 MR. DEMMITT: No.
25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you.
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(} 1 MR. ROBINSON: Just a minute, please. I think 2 you are talking about two different things, or at least in 3 my mind you were. You were talking about material that had 4 melted through the pressure vessel itself?
5 MS. DAVENPORT: Yes, under the reactor.
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l 9 MR. DEMMITT: No, sir. I was talking about 10 material outside the vessel under the bottem head and not 11 inside the bottom head.
12 MR. ROBINSON: Okay, but not melted through?
13 MR. DEMMITT: We have been making measurements O 14 to attempt to put to rest once and for all the question of 15 is there fuel outside the reactor vessel underneath the 16 lower head, which I believe is the question Debora was 17 asking about.
18 MR. ROBINSON: Now you have me confused.
19 MR. DEMMITT: I don't mean to confuse you.
20 MR. ROBINSON: I understand that you could move 21 material through the primary system or'through instrument 22 tubing, but to the best of my knowledge, there was never 23 any indication that you had melted through the pressure 24 vessel.
25 MR. DEMMITT: That is correct.
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3 MS. DAVENPORT: Yes. There is this ---
4 MR. DEMMITT: I think the question I heard you 5 ask, Debora, and perhaps we could ask if it is a correct {
6 hearing on my part, was if we were somehow to learn that
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I 13 MR. ROBINSON: All right. You had me worried.
l 14 (Laughter.)
! o 15 MR. DEMMITT: I am sorry. I.didn't mean to 16 worry you. Perhaps that clarification helps.
17 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Did that answer your question?
18 MR. ROBINSON: That answers my question.
19 Thank you.
20 MS. DAVENPORT: Thank you. ,
21 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you, Debora.
l 22 We do need to discuss the next meeting.
, 23 MR. ROTH: Before we do that, could I~just make i
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l 25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Sure.
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(} 1 MR. ROTH: I would really like to compliment the 2 public on really good comments and questions, and also to 3 compliment GPU and Tom, your first time here, for staying 4 through the entire meeting. I hope in a positive way you 5 can bring that back to Frank who sometimes does leave a 6 little early.
7 I mean if you don't feel good doing it, maybe 8 Doug can pass that on to Frank. I am not sure he does it 9 intentionally, but I think it just proves that there are a 10 lot of questions that come up at the end of a meeting that 11 the public or the panel does not have a chance to ask
, 12 because there is no one here to answer them. I would hope
. 13 that this would set a precedent that GPU will do it. I
- 14 think it is good.
15 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: I would like to thank the 16 public, too, for taking the time to come to the meetings
- 17 month after month and asking questions.
18 I hate to constantly bother you about the time 19 and I would hope you would take advantage if you have a-20 subject matter to really contact me so we can get you on 21 the agenda.
22 My intent is to at least try to have reasonably 23 length meetings for everybody concerned so you can at least 24 rely upon when it may be that the meeting would be over.
25 So you can help us with that by getting in touch with me
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4 MS. CHAVEY: My name is Elizabeth Chavey, and I 5 am from Concerned Mothers in Middletown.
6 My message is just to GPU. It is not a 7 question. I would like them to know that most of the 8 people in Middletown consider the integrity of the 9 monitoring systems of GPU as zero. They in fact would have 10 to produce Christ on earth to read the monitoring reports 11 for us to believe them. We have no confidence in them at 12 all.
13 Thank you.
\ ') 14 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Thank you.
15 Does anybody want to offer a suggestion on the 16 next meeting and, secondly, what is it that we would 17 discuss at that meeting?
18 And, Mike, if you have any suggestions on this,
-19 I would certainly be happy to hear them as to agenda items.
20 Niel, do you have a suggestion?
21 MR. WALD: I just wanted to suggest Wednesday 22 evening, any Wednesday evening.
23 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: From time to time we go 24 through this like every meeting.
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4 (No response.)
5 Okay. Then Niel is suggesting that we try 6 Wednesday and have it Wednesday evening. Do you have one 1
7 particular one in mind, the second Wednesday? i 8 MR. SMITHGALL: So we want to meet in May? Let 9 me move this along.
10 (Chorus of Noes.)
11 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay. Well, what are the next 12 -- let's approach the agenda items first and then determine 13 when. What are the subjects coming up that we need to be 14 meeting to discuss?
15 MR. SMITHGALL: Water disposition, but I am 16 trying to think back as to when the presentation of that 17 l was by the licensee to the NRC. When was that?
b 18 MR. MASNIK: It was the 1st of July, or around l
19 the beginning of July.
20 MR. SMITHGALL: Okay. Part of it, too, as I 21 understand it from our previous conversations was besides 22 water disposition there was also the issue of end-point 23 decontamination. I think those were going to run 24 concurrently.
25 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Yes.
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6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: If we would meet in June we 7 would discuss fuel removal I assume, enforcement action and 8 we have not revisited funding for some time and I think it 9 would be good probably to have an update on that at some 10 point. ,
l 11 Everybody agrees, I assume, that we do not need 12 a meeting in May. We would meet normally in June, unless 13 somebody would disagree with that.
t 14 MR. MASNIK: I think in what Tom brought up that 15 we would probably need some time to digest those two 16 reports, and I think to try to schedule that after the 17 first couple of weeks in July would probably be too soon.
18 I would propose that those two subjects be probably 19 discussed in August let's say.
20 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay. We could at least think 21 about a June meeting then and an Auguet meeting at least 22 for our schedule purposes and mark down the second 23 Wednesday?
24 MR. SMITHGALL: June lith and August 13th.
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m 2 MR. TRAVERS: No.
3 MR. WALD: Bill says no.
4 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: No.
5 MR. TRAVERS: (Nodding negatively.)
6 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Okay. So for June lith I have 7 fuel removal, status of eni'orcement , a question maybe on 8 funding and I am certain there will be some other ---
9 MR. SMITHGALL: SALP. Bill is going to have 10 that for me then in June, l
11 E MR. TRAVERS: Systematic assessment ---
12 MR. SMITHGALL: Systematic assessment, thank 13 you.
14 MR. TRAVERS: --- licensee performance.
15 CHAIRMAN MORRIS: Anything else that any panel 16 member wante to suggest?
17 (No response.) l 18 Hearing none, I conclude the meeting and i
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20 Thank you.
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The Paxton Herald, February 19,1986 Page 10,Se i l
( Penna. Health pept. " Fudging"?? , s Physician " Muzzled" By TMI .
Advu' ory Panel Full Health Facts g Being CONCEALED, Says Lee .
from Page 1, sec.1 ga ,j g
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' ' Dear Edit'or# .
I The enclosed presentation and information on TMI health effects was I presented before the Citizen's Advisory Panel on February 12,1986. 3 ,4 j If you wish additionalinformation on this subjectwhich was presented to
- Og the Panel, you may reach me at (717) 93&6628. ,
3 L4.
Dr. Thomas Cochran, who was one of the original appointees io th,s i
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- ' Panel, submitted his resi ation. Followin ydw informed me, in front ofa witness, thatknee meetmg Dr.Cochran was not oermitted to address the health issues that I submitted before the Panel. In fact.
5*-- l not a single Panel member responded to the presentation.This was not the first time Dr. Cochran was muzzeled by those who seek to silence and ]
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enneeal pertinent information. .Jg
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- M- [' d[, h 3 i Tree Facts om Local Realtaa Effects Not Told.
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year. This nbdurate, secret a W
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evgu tit e dne not bnde well fuethece.iveh d n.
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- Map i reveals the hypothyroidism.
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a ty nr' t h e in te rity af this *
- cases forJune 20,1978, thrnugh March " Commonwealth _ In 3 withhniding '2 2 8 28.1979. Mao 2 reveals the hypothyrne- informatinn merely len a credence to dism cases for March 28.19,9 through the citizens who have been re rting "# #
December 31,1979. The hypothyrni , mnre and more health effects. be hfe.
dism was 12 times higher than ex.
Z= 'E 1 occted for those eine mnnths. Fifty time of a " secret anciety", in the lang percent of the hypothyroidism cases .un, d..isintegrates by its very nature.- , WEg -
were determined to be itenetic.The ~ llelease Pediatiiq CancerSurvgr ,6 w other fifth.parcent have never been ' Lancaster Co. acnocl 1970/19fu g3 adcaustely addressed nr ex plained asce - During nur research at the State Pub. -
Maclson reporth The counties n . .. c 2 which are struck with hnes h'iMap ic Library in 1980 w ave a ' ;welve (12) enb deaths,e20 discovered stdiborns jE .-
pnnted number indicating the number - and 47 other infant deaths with no !
of children whn are presently receiving , cause listed. This is a total nf 79 mfant ed treatment for ca_ncer at the Hershey .4eaths which we can ennfirm for 1979.
Medical CeMer. The parents of these V rhis is bynameansthetotalnumbernf:
xM are h chddren used the acenmmodations of . nfants deaths. If nu wdl innk at the Nb the itanald MacDonald Wayside Pediatric Cancer behant Survey yna PO, r y House during cance,I treatments for - nili see a total nf 66 childhnnd cancers - "
I e their children. isted .or an eight year pennd in Lan. -
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I The numbers ofcancers indicated far astee Cn. If we extrapolate these fig.. < 1 >= i cach enunty are by no means the ares b including private schanis we Zf total figures for childhood cancers 'nuld be innking at approximately 9 .j' in these counties. In fact the map "ancers a vear for 1970 thrnugh 1978. e, tiearly indicates that Cumberland and total 72L lenking at May 2 again we ;; , ,
Dauphin Counties' parents do not re. . see thirty-eight cancers m Lancaster J 7/ '
- quire the overmaht se-vices of the Ro. ~ County today. This thirty.eight figure --,'
side House due tai is not the entire childhood cancers ^
nald MacDonald proximity to Wafiershey Medical for this County. Parents have the .
their Center. Therefare the numbers of , constitutional and moral right to .l1, 4*
childhnnd cancers (nr thesetwo enunF know what or who is killing their; ce bes are unknown.'Also. other Haspir children.Comm,n sensedictatesthat .. * ??
tais and Medical Centers are used by we know what kind of future we a ; /
many patients in all these counties. prepann for allenmeng generations. -
Please note the leap in childhnod sennual doubt that parents wool cancers for Lancaster York and Berks place th livse of their children nn the ,so Counties. Lancaster Do. is listed with sacnficial al tar af modern technningy in .
38 childhand cancers, York Cn. 36 and just to perpetuate that techaningy for '"o 3
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There ere five health effects in the- We knnw from former Sec.nf Health I TMI area which cancern me. (1) cancers. (2) hypothyrnsdism. (3) enb Dr. Gardan MacLene who re Dept.
d 1m f- ,
death.t4) infant mortality.and(5)enn Health,. that omittedDr.881afants Takahata fromel histhe Pa. parte e genital defects. Dr. Stewart's report re- data when he ared and submitted veals a enrrelation between irradiaban dsta to the Federal nf the fetus and enb death. When Dr. 'Vital .theinfantmorta Statistics fire for 1979. (See Toliahata was querried about hnops. MacLend's Report EL This attempt to tais who were still performing pelvis obscure pertinent data nn pubhc vital x rays on pregnant women. Dr.Toka- statistics deserved, at the very least, a hata fell back an his favontedialogue: severe repnmand or dismissal Since "That is ennfidential information." neither was forthenming we can on'y This discussion took place behind conclude that Dr. Tokahata was
- j closed doors between professinnals. metin g with the advise and consent 3 The medical community doesn't petr to have a prnblem in releas.ap. of the Commonwealth of Pa. What ing nther conclustoits enuld we arnys at AIDS data nn a national level for both after seven years nf withhniding pubhc living and deceased persans, yet we vital health statistics? This Panel wdl continue to witness the Common- find Dr. Macimi s reports very inter.
wealth of Pennsylvania withhold- esting which adds another and quite ing health data and VitalStatistics different dimensinn to the Pa. He alth for the past seven years. Pr.nr in Dept. ,
1978 Wtal statistics were released -
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((yisterdaf,ibs)haigeddhat. yer. .lan:d_RogerLof Marietta,RD i
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, son,dled as-a result.of byerexpo ~ - L nIstratrix of..her son's,es- that"the " overexposure,7pcause .s ,
hJure tdia'diitiodWhili k6 thing atYtate'J,ssed oEbelia 'of'thelstateI'ibyMin;egllfe'nfa of the. m .Wdefend
' [..er 7thestation'R,Q4.l.y Three MiliIsla'idWla.:, niiclear gand pow 7and ! Rfgers' i children,b.h'aiiob[J ifs /,'oiss'n*1,7) ants, resulted Qtissues,' gehesfaid3h in "codtimination
. f*pg.The sult traces the)982' death .first! *- the;Travis suit arising .7 drorn J,tlthe.be5.
rbonesped &bethat proximatel used hit ? ?
- f.of JaMis WJRog.{il,a me:6betot 3di March TMI-2 accidest
~1979^ d @death!of a/T$[th 17the'dicontiminitfod~cr'en'at TMI-81nvolyesithe "j,iBefgrihi'dled, ogers @experth[b,
'f d 2,td hiitising "tfip*pid"inside th'e 3 ynuclearmnft du' ring cleihup' work'.%plo^yee4WGif;b{Q
, enceilj,*'esiTio'r'disaryitfaunii,:.'W qh,n-W
?>In October;19J9.A,~'
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. At ,least '.threciother claims.are,Gending' in U.STM1(Idle .'dett ' ,'sh,1thi~
paln'Tsuf feringstates.y3.Q, complaint, {and?, mental hl' 'ang.2.@
%',. Fellow employees gery unab c'gourt,'but f The sult%ksWawarit in exe - )
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to rediove malfunc'tio$fm.possibigbeciuse ning Jequipment.iwhen p vbtve p eo'plitho,those "chses liiii.j. lived'near.)hir cesshf $10V00,klu of
' safe: radiation; expo'surestime ~ lanfatthetimiof the accidthtRafis'%for,ieschgolisixJcounts Q
Scharged!igainst-thdight defend ' 44 ~
39.1 was',up,'the suit {says,?ahd'he,.ye ,p.w;e Fellow $rewtidividually.M ants jointlyjdid members .d3hadned inMe Scontaminate'd unit,".and .it;niaf
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'e~defeidants' ire'MetropollQ.y i
'f/ time for"#[aj%M/i46'b4 i'i:':d! 'a harneis he was considerable tien'gth , of I have been'due to' entanglement of, tan , Edison bsing or becatise.f senCentrd-Powir.O ht ., Babcock %:,.y:};p/
- E He was immediately hospital-1 of anineffective pulleysystem,the , .Wili
- ox'Cd ; y'MtDermott;gr.M O
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- /,12ed and within three months illagnosed as having acute myelo- t was -; suit statesM'Dresser.
p"w.He, was rushedIndustrial-Valve,and.In-f
.to a hospitab,:M9" - hL: d.CoiGe ithoutthebenefitof decontami-gstrument. Division n
. iThe suit ; charges negligence nation'*.in,ylotatica'of Nuclear;f,dustries-Inc.;' Cati;of Dresser,In 2r lytic.Inc.,* and. '. . .
,senous r.nd
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.Habilit.y'against a ,. - 3.
leukemia.
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v CERTIFICATE OF OFFICIAL REPORTER
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This is to certify that the attached proceedings before the UNITED STATES NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION in the matter of:
NAME OF PROCEEDING: ADVISORY PANEL ON THE DECONTAMINATION OF TMI, UNIT 2 DOCKET NO.:
PLACE: HARRISBURG, PENNSYLVANIA DATE: THURSDAY, APRIL.10, 1986 l
were held as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript thereof for the file of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission. )
(sigt) ,
(TYPED)
MARY C. SIMONS Official Reporter ACE-FEDERAL REPORTERS, INC.
Reporter's Affiliation
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