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Title:
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Incident Investigation Team Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant Interview of: JIM BURR Docket No.
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. September 27P 1991 MEMORANDUM FOR:
FROM:
SUBJECT:
Hart,in J McCormick,.Plant Hanager, Nine Mile Point Unit 2 Hayne L. Schmidt, Senior Resident Inspector, Nine Mile Point Review of IIT Interview Transcripts The IIT has
- sent, the transcripts of interviews conducted with the personnel listed below to the resident inspector s office.
If any of the listed individuals wish to review the transcripts they should do so at the resident inspector s office by October 4, 1991.
Guidelines for the review of transcripts are provided in the enclosure.
If an individual does not review his transcript by that date we will assume that he did not wish to do so and that the statement is correct to the best of his knowledge.
Alan DNGarcia, Ske
- Dcty, Dave Barre
, Jerry Helker Jsa urr
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Robert
- Brown, A
1 Julka, Perry
- rtsch, James Spa
- Savoca, Mike
- Colomb, James Kinsl Harty McCormick, Chris Kolod, Irin~errer, Fred Gerardine, Anthony etrelli, Jim Reid, Fred Hhite, Rick Slade,
'Bruce Hennigana and Tom Tomlinson.
Thank you for your help. If there are any questions please contact me.
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Hayne L. Schmidt Senior Resident Inspector Nine Mile Point
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION INCIDENT INVESTIGATION TEAM 6
Interview of 7
JIM BURR 8
(Closed) 10 12 xs 14 15 16 17 18 Conference Room B
Administration Building Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant, Unit Two Lake Road
- Scriba, New York 13093
- Thursday, August 22, 1991 19 The interview commenced, pursuant to notice, 20 at 6:45 p.m.
21 22 23 24 25 PRESENT FOR THE IIT:
Michael Jordan, NRC Rich Conte, NRC
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{6:45 p.m.)
MR.
JORDAN:
Let's go on the record.
It's August 4
- 22nd, 1991 at approximately 6:45 in the p.m.
We are at the Nine Mile Point Unit Two in the P
6 Building.
We are conducting interviews concerning a
8 transient that occurred on August 13th, 1991.
9 My name is Mike Jordan.
I am with the U.S.
NRC 10 out of Region III.
12 MR.
CONTE:
Rich Conte, NRC, Region I.
MR.
BURR:
Jim Burr, Chief Shift Operations, NMPC.
0 13 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, Jim.
Why don't you give us 14 your experience and your background?
15 MR.
BURR:
I was electronics specialist in the 16 United States Marine Corps.
I joined the company in 1980, 17 April of 1980.
18 I was a janitor then.
Then I came into operations 19 in 1982 and have been there up till now.
20 21 22 I am a Chief Shift Operator at this time.
MR.
CONTE:
When did you get your license?
MR.
BURR:
I got my license on Unit One, 1985, I 23 believe is the approximate time and on Unit Two, 1988, I 24 believe.
I'm not sure.
25 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, that's close enough. If we need
3 1
the actual date we can get that from our records.
We'e 2
just getting a general background and your experience.
Your are a licensed RO or SRO?
MR.
BURR:
RO.
Licensed RO.
MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, Jim, were you on days,
- mids, 6
what shift were you on?
MR.
BURR:
I was on midshift but on the day of the 8
accident I had to come in first thing in the morning for a 9
meeting so I came in at the day, the 13th, at 6:30 in the 10 morning.
12 MR.
JORDAN:
So you arrived on site around 6:30?
MR.
BURR:
That's correct.
13 MR.
JORDAN:
- Okay, so somebody had replaced you on 14 the shift, is that correct?
15 16 17 shift?
MR.
BURR:
For that day, they had, yes.
MR.
JORDAN:
That. day.
Who replaced you for that 18 MR.
BURR:
That was Mike Garbus came in on the 19 evening..
20 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
- Okay, so you arrived on site 21 around 6:30.
Tell us what transpired as you came through 22 the gates.
23 MR.
BURR:
First thing I noticed is everybody was 24 standing in the parking lot and the closer I got to Security 25 I heard the evacuation alarm and I was looking, wondering
1 why it was going off early in the morning. It wasn't a
2 normal time for us to test it. The next thing I heard was 3
this is not a drill, so I ran inside and then they wouldn' 4
let me in Security so I had to wait in Security until the 5
control room authorized all operations people to come 6
through Security.
9 there'?
MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
MR.
CONTE:
How many people were gathered out 10 MR.
BURR: It's hard for me to tell but when the 11 time that I came through at 6:30 people were lined up and 12 sitting down all over the place, so at the time I came 13 through I would estimate there were probably a good 75 14 people waiting to get in but once I came in I went right to 15 the front of the line and waited right there for them to let 16 me in so like I say, I really don't know after that.
17 MR.
CONTE:
- Okay, why don't you take us in through 18 when you got in.
19 MR.
JORDAN:
Was there a lot of operators there at 20 the front of the line waiting to get in along with yourself?
h 21 MR.
BURR:
There was at least six operators that I 22 can remember at the front of the line.
23 24 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
And then they finally let us go through 25 and we went -- I went right straight to the control room.
I
5 1
went to the Beehive and dropped off my lunch and everything 2
and then I went back to the control room and as soon as I 3
got in the control room I just stood back MR.
JORDAN:
Any lighting problem between MR.
BURR:
None.
MR.
JORDAN:
The lights were no problems MR.
BURR:
Didn't have any problems.
MR.
JORDAN:
No lighting problems?
MR.
BURR:
No, I didn', other than what I had 10 heard in the Security Building that had happened, I
12 MR.
JORDAN:
You experienced MR.
BURR:
-- experienced nothing unusual coming 13 through the plant.
14 MR.
JORDAN:
I'm sorry.
You went to the Beehive, 15 dropped off your lunch and then you 16 MR.
BURR:
Right. I made it to the control room.
17 When I got in there I just kind of stood back looking 18
- around, seeing if anything noticeably could be done, waiting 19 to be used by the onshift CSOs and see if anybody -- I was 20 looking to see if anybody needed help and if everything 21 looked like it was being taken care of.
22 Then I started clearing people out of the control 23 room that weren't necessary or, you know, keeping the noise 24 down.
25 Things appeared to be going or things appeared to
1 be taken care of by the licenses that were in there, 2
licensed ROs in there, so then I started assisting the 3
onshift CSO with phone calls, acknowledging annunciators, 4
checking up on annunciators that were coming in, then just 5
pretty much helping out the CSOs because two of them were 6
trying to turn over and I just kind of helped out while 7
they made their turnovers, filled out their paperwork.
Later on I got a specific duty of getting the 9
turbine on the turning gear, since another operator was 10 having difficulty. I have experienced trouble getting it 11 out previous so I took over.
12 13 is?
MR.
JORDAN:
Do you have any idea what time this 14 15 MR.
BURR:
No.
MR.
JORDAN:
Even an hour?
Seven o'lock, eight.
16 o'lock?
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
If you 17 have no idea that s fine, if you have no idea, but if you 18 think it's between 7:00 and 8-:00, 8:00 and 9:00 or you have 19 no idea, that's fine also.
20 21 it was?
I was curious about it.
Do you have any idea when 22 MR.
BURR:
I have no idea but I would estimate 23 maybe somewhere between 8:00 and 9:00.
24 MR.
JORDAN:
Did you experience problems putting 25 on the turning gear?
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MR.
BURR:
Yes.
The breaker kept tripping on the 2
We got a hold of the GE specialist, Craig 3
Shawcross and pretty much used his assistance throughout the 4
day and I believe I finally got it on the turning gear 5
somewhere in the vicinity of twelve o'lock.
MR.
CONTE:
All morning you were working on that?
MR.
BURR:
Well, like I said, I had the trouble 8
and once I knew that the trouble wasn't what we have had 9
previous, I went to the
- SSS, one of the SSS's that were 10 there -- I can't remember who I went to right now. They got 11 a hold of Craig Shawcross.
He came to the control room, 12 talked about it.
13 I sent him out in the plant with an operator.
They 14 looked at the turning gear.
We tried to start -- put it on 15 the turning gear with him and the operator and maintenance 16 out at the turning gear.
Then he had to go look up some 17 information in his manuals, he said, and then he got back to 18 me and then we tried it again.
19 There is a few lapse in times where he was 20 checking on things or trying to get help.
21 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, at some time around 12:00 22 o'lock you got on the turning gear?
23 24 MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
Before we go on to the turning gear, 25 what were the symptoms and do you know what the problem was?
1 Symptoms of the turning gear?
What were the symptoms of the other than the 3
breaker tripping?
Do you know why it wouldn',
why the 4
breaker kept tripping?
MR.
BURR:
Initially it was an indication that we 6
have had before is that the piggyback motor kicks in and 7
drives the Bull gear in.
Once that's in, the turning gear 8
starts and if the turbine won't roll, it trips the breaker.
This time I did notice that I was getting 10 different indications and that by driving the piggyback 11 motor in I was getting an indication that the turbine was 12 rolling but then when the turning gear kicked in, it would 13 trip, which I told Craig Shawcross and the SSS that if I had 14 indication that the turbine was rolling, the turning gear 15 should not be tripping.
16 That is what eventually they found out was that 17 piggyback motor was kicking in but it wasn t fully engaging.
18 It was just sitting there turning and it was believing that 19 it was turning the turbine so when the turning gear kicked 20 in, it was just overspeeding and tripping.
21 MR.
CONTE:
This is a new problem?
You'e never 22 seen this symptom?
23 MR.
BURR:
No.
This is all due to what I have 24 been told by SSS, the next time I came back on shift what 25 they found was a limit switch was picking up, telling the
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piggyback it was engaged, letting it drive when it really 2
wasn'.
It's been -- I have been told it's been WRed to be 4
looked at.
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
Then where did you go from 6
12:00 o'lock or thereabouts?
MR.
BURR:
I believe for the rest of the day I 8
just stayed in the control room and monitored the control 9
room for excess
- people, noise, assisted the CSO.
10 I can'0 remember having any other specific duties ll other than primarily just coordination of people and stuff 12 like that.
13 MR.
CONTE:
For some reason the list here has you 14 clearing the tags on RHR.
They must have you confused with 15
-- they have got Lawrence, turbine on the jack.
16 MR.
BURR:
He is the one who originally started.
17 Then I took over for Lawrence.
18 MR.
CONTE:
Ah.
I see.
Do you happen to know who 19 cleared the tags on the RHR system?
20 21 22 23 24 MR.
BURR:
RHR system, for shutdown cooling?
MR.
CONTE:
Yes.
MR.
JORDAN:
No, B and C.
MRS BURR:
JORDAN:
I think they use B or C for shutdown 25 cooling.
Do they use A for shutdown cooling?
10 MR.
BURR:
B was in shutdown cooling.
MR.
JORDAN:
B was?
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
We were getting ready to put B into 4
steam condensing.
No.
MR.
JORDAN:
That wasn't you?
MR.
BURR:
Wasn't me for -- I remember someone 7
coming up and saying I cleared the tabs and now I need a
8 second verifier for these, but I can't remember who it was.
The conversation was carried on beside me.
That' 10 all I remember now.
MR.
CONTE:
- Okay, so the problem with the turning 12 gear was a new symptom, different from what you have seen in 13 the past?
14 MR.
BURR:
Correct.
15 16 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
The problem we have had in the past is 17 the turbine wants to turn too fast and kicks out.
We have 18 never had it not move.
19 20 written?
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
A work request has been 22 23 24 MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
To look at the problem?
MR.
BURR:
That is what I have been told, yes.
MR.
CONTE:
How did you eventually get it on, the 25 gear'?
Did you have to do something extraordinary?
Manual?
K
11 MR.
BURR:
They manually engaged the turning gear.
2 There is a lever on the side.
You put it on and you can 3
assist the piggyback motor in driving the Bull gear into the 4
turbine shaft.
MR.
CONTE:
Is there a procedure to adorn what 6
when you normally do these evolutions, bring in the, putting 7
the main turbine on the turning gear?
Is there a procedure 8
that you use to do that locally?
10 MR.
BURR:
To do it locally?
No.
MR.
CONTE:
Do you do it from memory?
Just know 11 how to do it?
12 MR.
BURR:
Pretty much from memory.
13 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
- Okay, who thought of the manual 14 engagement?
This Mr. Shawcraft?
MR.
BURR:
No. Jay Lawrence thought of it 16 initially or he suggested it when I took over so he went out 17 to do it while I was in the control room.
He could not get 18 it to go in any farther, he said, so he believed that 19 everything was working and that we didn't have a problem 20 with the piggyback motor but later when Mr. Shawcross was 21 out there, he had maintenance and the operator help him do 22 it and at that time it was successful.
23 MR.
CONTE:
How complicated is this evolution?
24 When you go up to the panel, you want to turn it on, got a
25 couple of verifications to make?
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MR.
BURR: It's not complicated but it just seems 2
in my opinion that every time we go to start up the turbine 3
it's different.
Like I'e said we have had trouble with the 4
turbine rolling off the gear.
That's a problem.
Now this time it didn t kick in.
Now this is not F
6 really a problem.
This is a mechanical problem at this time 7
but we MR.
CONTE:
So what do you do?
Can you recount 9
the steps of what you do to get it on turning gear?
10 12 xs 14 Is there a control panel of some sort?
MR.
BURR:
There is a
MR.
CONTE:
Push some buttons?
MR.
BURR:
At the turbine or in the control room?
MR.
CONTE: Either place.
Is that where you are 15 doing it? From the control room?
16 MR.
BURR:
I was starting the turning gear from 17 the control room.
18 19 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
They could do the same thing -- no, 20 they can't do the same thing.
They can jog the turbine, 21 which is basically just engaging the piggyback and Bull gear 22 and slowly turning the turbine locally.
That's all they can 23 do locally or they have like I said the lever to manually 24 engage it, to assist, it, but starting the turbine gear is 25 from a switch in the control room.
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a, MR.
CONTE:
That's all you need to do?
MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
Any other questions, Mike?
MR.
JORDAN:
No.
MR.
CONTE: If not, let's close the record.
[Whereupon, at 7:00 p.m., the taking of the 7
interview was concluded.]
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NAME OF PROCEEDINGS Tnt. of JIM BURR DOCKET NUMBER:
PLACE Op PROCEEDING: Scriba, N.Y.
were held as herein appears, and that this is the original transcript thereof for the file of the United States Nuclear Regulatory Commission taken by me and thereafter reduced to typewriting by me or under the direction of the court report-ing company, and that the transcript is a true and accurate record of the foregoing proceedings.
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OFFICIALTIVHSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS Agency:
Title:
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Incident Investigation Team Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant Interview of.: JIM BURR Docket No.
lOCATIOiV:
- Scriba, New York DATE:
- Thursday, August 22, 1991 PAGES:
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'September 27y 1991 MEMORANDUM FOR:
FROM:
SUBJECT Martin J.
McCormick, Plant Manager, Nine Mile Point Unit 2 Wayne I. Schmidt, Senior Resident Inspector, Nine Mile Point Review of IIT Interview Transcripts The IIT has sent the transcripts of interviews conducted with the personnel listed.
below to the resident inspector s office.
If any of the listed individuals wish to review the transcripts they should do so at the resident inspector s office by October 4, 1991.
Guidelines for the review of transcripts are provided in the enclosure.
If an individual does not review his transcript by that date we will assume that he did not wish to do so and that the statement is correct to the best of his knowledge.
Alan DeGarcia, Bte
- Doty, Dave Barre
, Jerry Helke
. Jim Burr ob,~randally Robert
- Brown, A l Julka, Perry
- rtsch, James Spa a oe
- Savoca, Mike
- Colomb, James Kinsl Marty McCormick, Chris Kolod, Irin~errer, Fred Gerardine, Anthony etrelli, Jim Reid, Fred White, Rick Slade, Bruce Hennigan, and Tom Tomlinson.
Thank you for your help. If there are any questions please contact me CA)Ce.~, L.S~~c~~
Wayne I. Schmidt Senior Resident Inspector Nine Mile Point
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION INCIDENT INVESTIGATION TEAM 6
Interview of 7
JIM BURR 8
(Closed) 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Conference Room B
Administration Building Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant, Unit Two Lake Road
- Scriba, New York 13093
- Thursday, August 22, 1991 19 The interview commenced, pursuant to notice, 20 at 6:45 p.m.
21 22 23 24 25 PRESENT FOR THE IIT:
Michael Jordan, NRC Rich Conte, NRC
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[6:45 p.m.]
MR.
JORDAN:
Let's go on the record.
It's August 4
- 22nd, 1991 at approximately 6:45 in the p.m.
We are at the Nine Mile Point Unit Two in the P
6 Building.
We are conducting interviews concerning a
8 transient that occurred on August 13th, 1991.
My name is Mike Jordan.
I am with the U.S.
NRC 10 out of Region III.
MR.
CONTE:
Rich Conte, NRC, Region I.
MR.
BURR:
Jim Burr, Chief Shift Operations, NMPC.
13 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, Jim.
Why don '
you give us 14 your experience and your background?
15 MR.
BURR:
I was electronics specialist in the 16 United States Marine Corps.
I joined the company in 1980, 17 April of 1980.
18 I was a janitor then.
Then I came into operations 19 in 1982 and have been there up till now.
20 21 22 I am a Chief Shift Operator at this time.
MR.
CONTE:
When did you get your license?
MR.
BURR:
I got my license on Unit One, 1985, I 23 believe is the approximate time and on Unit Two, 1988, I 24 believe.
I'm not sure.
25 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, that's close enough. If we need
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the actual date we can get that from our records.
We'e 2
just getting a general background and your experience.
Your are a licensed RO or SRO?
MR.
BURR:
RO.
Licensed RO.
MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, Jim, were you on days,
- mids, 6
what shift were you on?
MR.
BURR:
I was on midshift but on the day of the 8
accident I had to come in first thing in the morning for a 9
meeting so I came in at the day, the 13th, at 6:30 in the 10 morning.
12 MR.
JORDAN:
So you arrived on site around 6:30?
MR.
BURR:
That's correct.
MR.
JORDAN:
- Okay, so somebody had replaced you on 14 the shift, is that correct?
15 17 shift?
MR.
BURR:
For that day, they had, yes.
MR.
JORDAN:
That day.
Who replaced you for that 18 MR.
BURR:
That was Mike Garbus came in on the 19 evening.
20 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
- Okay, so you arrived on site 21 around 6:30.
Tell us what transpired as you came through 22 the gates.
23 MR.
BURR:
First thing I noticed is everybody was 24 standing in the parking lot and the closer I got to Security 25 I heard the evacuation alarm and I was looking, wondering
1 why it was going off early in the morning.
It wasn't a
2 normal time for us to test it. The next thing I heard was 3
this is not a drill, so I ran inside and then they wouldn t 4
let me in Security so I had to wait in Security until the 5
control room authorized all operations people to come 6
through Security.
9 there?
MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
MR.
CONTE:
How many people were gathered out 10 MR.
BURR: It's hard for me to tell but when the 11 time that I came through at 6:30 people were lined up and 12 sitting down all over the place, so at the time I came 13 through I would estimate there were probably a good 75 14 people waiting to get in but once I came in I went right to 15 the front of the line and waited right there for them to let 16 me in so like I say, I really don'0 know after that.
17 MR.
CONTE:
- Okay, why don't you take us in through 18 when you got in.
19 MR.
JORDAN:
Was there a lot of operators there at 20 the front of the line waiting to get in along with yourself?
21 MR.
BURR:
There was at least six operators that I 22 can remember at the front of the line.
23 24 MR.
JORDAN:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
And then they finally let us go through 25 and we went -- I went right straight to the control room.
I
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went to the Beehive and dropped off my lunch and everything 2
and then I went back to the control room and as soon as I 3
got in the control room I just stood back MR.
JORDAN:
Any lighting problem between--
MR.
BURR:
None.
MR.
JORDAN:
The lights were no problem?
MR.
BURR:
Didn't have any problems.
MR.
JORDAN:
No lighting problems?
MR.
BURR:
No, I didn', other than what I had 10 heard in the Security Building that had happened, I
12 MR.
JORDAN:
You experienced--
MR.
BURR:
-- experienced nothing unusual coming 13 through the plant.
14 MR.
JORDAN:
I'm sorry.
You went to the Beehive, 15 dropped off your lunch and then you 16 MR.
BURR:
Right. I made it to the control room.
17 When I got in there I just kind of stood back looking 18
- around, seeing if anything noticeably could be done, waiting 19 to be used by the onshift CSOs and see if anybody -- I was 20 looking to see if anybody needed help and if everything 21 looked like it was being taken care of.
22 Then I started clearing people out of the control 23 room that weren'0 necessary or, you know, keeping the noise 24 down.
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Things appeared to be going or things appeared to
1 be taken care of by the licenses that were in there, 2
licensed ROs in there, so then I started assisting the 3
onshift CSO with phone calls, acknowledging annunciators, 4
checking up on annunciators that were coming in, then just 5
pretty much helping out the CSOs because two of them were 6
trying to turn over and I just kind of helped out while 7
they made their turnovers, filled out their paperwork.
Later on I got a specific duty of getting the 9
turbine on the turning gear, since another operator was 10 having difficulty. I have experienced trouble getting it 11 out previous so I took over.
12 13 is?
MR.
JORDAN:
Do you have any idea what time. this 14 MR.
BURR:
No.
15 MR.
JORDAN:
Even an hour?
Seven o'lock, eight 16 o'lock?
I don't want to put words in your mouth.
If you 17 have no idea that's fine, if you have no idea, but if you 18 think it's between 7:00 and 8 00' 00 and 9
00 or you have 19 no idea, that's fine also.
20 21 it was?
I was curious about it.
Do you have any idea when 22 MR.
BURR:
I have no idea but I would estimate 23 maybe somewhere between 8:00 and 9:00.
24 MR.
JORDAN:
Did you experience problems putting 25 on the turning gear?
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MR.
BURR:
Yes.
The breaker kept tripping on the 2
We got a hold of the GE specialist, Craig 3
Shawcross and pretty much used his assistance throughout the 4
day and I believe I finally got it on the turning gear 5
somewhere in the vicinity of twelve o'lock.
MR.
CONTE:
All morning you were working on that?
MR.
BURR:
Well, like I said, I had the trouble 8
and once I knew that the trouble wasn't what we have had 9
previous, I went to the
- SSS, one of the SSS's that were 10 there -- I can't remember who I went to right now. They got 11 a hold of Craig Shawcross.
He came to the control room, 12 talked about it.
13 I sent him out in the plant with an operator.
They 14 looked at the turning gear.
We tried to start -- put it on 15 the turning gear with him and the operator and maintenance 16 out at the turning gear.
Then he had to go look up some 17 information in his manuals, he said, and then he got back to 18 me and then we tried it again.
19 There is a few lapse in times where he was 20 checking on things or trying to get help.
MR.
JORDAN:
Okay, at some time around 12:00 22 o'lock you got on the turning gear?
23 24 MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
Before we go on to the turning gear, 25 what were the symptoms and do you know what the problem was?
1 Symptoms of the turning gear?
What were the symptoms of the other than the 3
breaker tripping?
Do you know why it wouldn',
why the 4
breaker kept tripping?
MR.
BURR:
Initially it was an indication that we 6
have had before is that the piggyback motor kicks in and 7
drives the Bull gear in.
Once that's in, the turning gear 8
starts and if the turbine won't roll, it trips the breaker.
This time I did notice that I was getting 10 different indications and that by driving the piggyback 11 motor in I was getting an indication that the turbine was 12 rolling but then when the turning gear kicked in, it would 13 trip, which I told Craig Shawcross and the SSS that if I had 14 indication that the turbine was rolling, the turning gear 15 should not be tripping.
16 That is what eventually they found out was that 17 piggyback motor was kicking in but. it wasn t fully engaging.
18 It was just sitting there turning and it was believing that 19 it was turning the turbine so when the turning gear kicked 20 in, it was,just overspeeding and tripping.
21 MR.
CONTE:
This is a new problem?
You'e never 22 seen this symptom?
23 MR.
BURR:
No.
This is all due to what I have 24 been told by SSS, the next time I came back on shift what 25 they found was a limit switch was picking up, telling the
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piggyback it was engaged, letting it drive when it really 2
wasn'.
It's been -- I have been told it's been WRed to be 4
looked at.
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
Then where did you go from 6
12:00 o'lock or thereabouts?
MR.
BURR:
I believe for the rest of the day I 8
just stayed in the control room and monitored the control 9
room for excess
- people, noise, assisted the CSO.
10 I can't remember having any other specific duties 11 other than primarily just coordination of people and stuff 12 like that.
13 MR.
CONTE:
For some reason the list here has you 14 clearing the tags on RHR.
They must have you confused with 15
-- they have got Lawrence, turbine on the jack.
16 MR.
BURR:
He is the one who originally started.
17 Then I took over for Lawrence.
18 MR.
CONTE:
Ah.
I see.
Do you happen to know who 19 cleared the tags on the RHR system?
20 21 22 23 24 MR.
BURR:
RHR system, for shutdown cooling?
MR.
CONTE:
Yes.
MR.
JORDAN:
No, B and C.
MR.
BURR:
JORDAN:
I think they use B or C for shutdown 25 cooling.
Do they use A for shutdown cooling?
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10 MR.
BURR:
B was in shutdown cooling.
MR.
JORDAN:
B was?
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
We were getting ready to put B into 4
steam condensing.
No.
MR.
JORDAN:
That wasn't you?
MR.
BURR:
Wasn't me for -- I remember someone 7
coming up and saying I cleared the tabs and now I need a
8 second verifier for these, but I can't remember who it was.
The conversation was carried on beside me.
That' 10 all I remember now.
MR.
CONTE:
- Okay, so the problem with the turning 12 gear was a
new symptom, different from what you have seen in 13 the past?
14 MR.
BURR:
Correct.
15 16 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
The problem we have had in the past is 17 the turbine wants to turn too fast and kicks out.
We have 18 never had it not move.
19 20 written?
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
A work request has been 21 22 23 24 MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
To look at the problem?
MR.
BURR:
That is what I have been told, yes.
MR.
CONTE:
How did you eventually get it on, the 25 gear'?
Did you have to do something extraordinary?
Manual?
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11 MR.
BURR:
They manually engaged the turning gear.
2 There is a lever on the side.
You put it on and you can 3
assist the piggyback motor in driving the Bull gear into the 4
turbine shaft.
MR.
CONTE:
Is there a procedure to adorn what 6
when you normally do these evolutions, bring in the, putting 7
the main turbine on the turning gear?
Is there a procedure 8
that you use to do that. locally?
10 MR.
BURR:
To do it locally?
No.
MR.
CONTE:
Do you do it from memory?
Just know ll how to do it?
12 MR.
BURR:
Pretty much from memory.
13 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
- Okay, who thought of the manual 14 engagement?
This Mr. Shawcraft?
15 MR.
BURR:
No. Jay Lawrence thought of it 16 initially or he suggested it when I took over so he went out 17 to do it while I was in the control room.
He could not get 18 it to go in any farther, he said, so he believed that 19 everything was working and that we didn't have a problem 20 with the piggyback motor but later when Mr. Shawcross was 21 out there, he had maintenance and the operator help him do 22 it and at that time it was successful.
23 MR.
CONTE:
How complicated is this evolution?
24 When you go up to the panel, you want to turn it on, got a
25 couple of verifications to make?
12 MR.
BURR: It's not complicated but it just seems 2
in my opinion that every time we go to start up the turbine 3
it's different.
Like I'e said we have had trouble with the 4
turbine rolling off the gear.
That's a problem.
Now this time it didn t kick in.
Now this is not 6
really a problem.
This is a mechanical problem at this time 7
but we MR.
CONTE:
So what do you do?
Can you recount 9
the steps of what you do to get it on turning gear?
10 Is there a control panel of some sort?
MR.
BURR:
There is a MR.
CONTE:
Push some buttons?
13 MR.
BURR:
At the turbine or in the control room?
14 MR.
CONTE: Either place.
Is that where you are 15 doing it? From the control room?
16 MR.
BURR:
I was starting the turning gear from 17 the control room.
18 19 MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
MR.
BURR:
They could do the same thing -- no, 20 they can't do the same thing.
They can jog the turbine, 21 which is basically just engaging the piggyback and Bull gear 22 and slowly turning the turbine locally.
That's all they can 23 do locally or they have like I said the lever to manually 24 engage it, to assist it, but starting the turbine gear is 25 from a switch in the control room.
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13 MR.
CONTE:
That's all you need to do?
MR.
BURR:
Yes.
MR.
CONTE:
Okay.
Any other questions, Mike?
MR.
JORDAN:
No.
MR.
CONTE: If not, let's close the record.
[Whereupon, at 7:00 p.m., the taking of the 7
interview was concluded.]
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