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Title:
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Xncident Investigation Team Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant interview of:
JAMES KINSLEY Docket No.
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- Monday, August 26, 1991 PAGES:
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,, September 27, 1991 MHMORAHDUM FOR:
Martin J McCormick, Plant Manager, Nine Mile Point Unit 2 FROM:
SUBJECZ:
Hayne L. Schmidt, Senior Resident Inspector, Nine Mile Point Review of IIT Interview Transcripts The IIT has sent the transcripts of interviews conducted with the personnel listed below to the resident inspector s office.
If any of the listed individuals wish to review the transcripts they should do so at the resident inspector s office by October 4, 1991.
Guidelines for the review of transcripts are provided in the enclosure.
If an individual does not review his transcript by that date we will assume that he did not wish to do so and that the statement is correct to the best of his knowledge.
Alan DGGarciaBte,Duty, Dave Barge, Jerry HelkerJi,m Burr, Bob~randall, Robert Brown
- ulka, Perry
- rtsch, James Spadafore, Joe
- Savoca, Mike
- Colomb, ames Kinsl rty McCormick, Chris Kolod, Irin~errer, Fred Gerardin relli, Jim Reid, Fred Hhite, Rick Slade, Bruce Hennigan, and Tom Tomlinson.
Thank you for your help. If there are any questions please contact me.
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Hayne L. Schmidt Senior Resident Inspector Hine Mile Point
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION INCIDENT INVESTIGATION TEAM 6
Interview of 7
JAMES KINSLEY 8
(Closed) 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Conference Room B
Administration Building Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant, Unit Two Lake Road
- Scriba, New York 13093
- Monday, August 26, 1991 19 The interview commenced, pursuant to notice, 20 at 3:20 p.m.
21 22 23 24 25 PRESENT FOR THE IIT:
John Kauffman, NRC Jose Ibarra, NRC
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P R 0 C
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D I N G
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[3:20 p.m.]
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Good afternoon.
It's August 26, 4
1991 at 3:20 p.m.
We re in the Nine Mile Point, Unit Two P
5 Admin Building, talking to Jim Kinsley concerning an event 6
that occurred at Nine Mile Point Two on August 13, 1991.
My name is John Kauffman, I'm out of NRC 8
headquarters.
9 MR.
IBARRA:
And this is Jose Ibarra, I'm a member 10 of the IIT and I am looking after the IIC concerns.
MR. KINSLEY: I am James Kinsley and I am the 12 general supervisor of I&C Nine Mile Point, Unit Two.
13 MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Okay.
- Good, Jim, at this point we 14 would like you to just start out by giving us a brief run 15 down on your previous work experience and background you 16 bring to this job and little bit about what your current job 17 responsibilities are?
18 MR. KINSLEY: I'e got a bachelor's degree in 19 technology from Buffalo State.
I also have an associates 20 degree from Morrisville Technical College.
I started with 21 Niagara Mohawk in 1973, in the engineering department.
In 22 1975 I came up to Nine Mile as a technician.
Worked as a
23 technician until 1981, I believe, and at that point in time 24 took a position as assistant supervisor IGC for Unit Two and 25 in 1989 went to unit supervisor, IGC for Unit Two.
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MR.
IBARRA:
Jim, could you tell me what powers 2
the rod position indicator?
What UPS it comes out of?
MR. KINSLEY:
No, I cannot.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The sample
- pumps, the oxygen 5
and hydrogen, had they tripped during the event, has your 6
group started having any involvement into finding out what happened on this?
MR.
KINSLEY:
Yes.
There has been a
WR written, it was written over the weekend and we'e investigating that 10 today, the results, I don't know as of yet, though the 12 13 14 15 investigation may have concluded.
MR.
IBARRA:
And on the day of the event, on the 13th, of August, did you have any involvement whatsoever on that'?
MR. KINSLEY: I reported to the control room 16 after getting here.
That was -- by the time I got to the 17 control room it was probably a quarter after seven in the 18 morning.
And I maintained my position as I&C control room 19 support during the entire event.
20 MR.
IBARRA:
Can you tell me what you helped with 21 on that day?
22 MR. KINSLEY:
Basically, there was very few I&C 23'tems to be taken care of.
I did some interface with the 24 OSC and the TSC as far as getting some damage control teams 25 organized, notifying the SSS what damage control teams were
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going out and what not.
What overall, as far as I&C type 2
items, it was very quiet.
4 the UPS?
MR. IBARRA:- Did you get involved in any advice on MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Anything on the transformers?
MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The drywell cooling fans 9
tripped during this event.
Have you done any work to 10 determine if this was a cause of the UPS failure?
12 MR. KINSLEY:
Not that I'm aware of.
MR.
IBARRA:
Is there any logic that you'e aware 13 of that might have explained this?
14 MR. KINSLEY:
Without investigating that prior to 15 now, I would have to look at the prints.
It's nothing I'm 16 aware of.
17 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The event also produced 18 booster pumps tripping and I guess that was 2A and another 19 one starting, is your group presently investigating that and 20 can you tell me what you do know about this?
21 MR. KINSLEY:
We currently have a
WR working as 22 part of the scram investigation work that my department has.
23 Where we'e looking at the 38 valves and there is a
24 controller problem -- I'm sorry, position problem on one of 25 the valves.
And also it appears at the present time that we
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5 1
have a bad transmitter where the transmitter saturates high 2
at lower than its normal input.
The work hasn't finalized yet, we'e still working 4
on it today.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
But this is due to the event 6
itself, right?
MR. KINSLEY:
That's my understanding of the 8
generation of the WR, yes.
10 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Can you explain to me what the 38 11 valves are, that is, their name?
12 MR. KINSLEY: I'd have to look at the prints.
I 13 don't recall.
14 MR.
IBARRA:
But does the 38 refer to valve number 15 or type?
16 17 18 MR. KINSLEY:
Valve number.
MR.
IBARRA:
Valve number.
MR. KINSLEY:
CNM 38B, I believe is the item 19 we'e working on today.
20 MR.
IBARRA:
There were other things that occurred 21 during the event like the cooling tower bypass valves 22
- opening, do you have any knowledge or are you all presently 23 working on this?
That's MOG, I think, 52 or MOV 52?
24 MR. KINSLEY:
No.
I'm aware that Gary Fleury was 25 looking into that logic, the results, I don't know,
0
MR.
IBARRA:
What you -- excuse me.
What you have 2
working with you is actually technicians, right?
MR. KINSLEY:
Correct.
MR.
IBARRA:
So they'e taking direction and 5
arranging your--
MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The off-gas isolation system 8
also, I guess, it isolated.
Are you presently working and 9
what do you know about this incident?
10 MR. KINSLEY:
Presently I don'0 believe we ever 13 looking at that item.
14 MR.
IBARRA:
Would you all be called upon if there 15 is a logic explanation of this, looking at the logic to the 16 isolation itself?
11 worked on them on the off-gas isolation.
I believe that 12 Rick Abbott's group, as part of the scram investigation, was 17 MR. KINSLEY:
I would be called upon if it didn' 18 appear that it functioned correctly.
Normally the way that 19 they'e been handling these items is to have engineering 20 look at the logic to relate whether it should have been an 21 expected function and if not, then they would call on us or 22 depending on what the item might have been, it may be 23 electrical maintenance to do trouble shooting to find out 24 what the problem was.
25 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
Another failure was the
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condensate demineralizer bypass that was, I guess it went 2
- open, do you have any knowledge on this now?
MR. KINSLEY:
That's the first I heard that item.
MR.
IBARRA:
You'e not aware of any work requests 5
dealing with this?
MR. KINSLEY:
Not that I'm aware of, no.
MR.
IBARRA:
There's stack GEM's, I guess these 8
are your gas effluent monitoring system?
10 MR. KINSLEY:
Um hm.
MR.
IBARRA:
You have, I understand, two system, 11 one on the vent and one on the stack?
12 MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
13 MR.
IBARRA:
They were inoperable during the 14
- event, have you been working on this and do you have any 15 insight as to what might have gone wrong?
16 MR. KINSLEY:
That, again, I don't believe we 17 have a specific work WR or LCR which is our calibration 18 data for that problem.
I have heard a number of 19 discussions, but as far as the scram investigation personnel 20 looking into it, I haven't heard of any concrete resolution 21 on that.
22 MR.
IBARRA:
How long does it take from the time a
23 work order is done or written up, to the time that you all 24 get involved?
What's the time delay here?
Days?
25 MR. KINSLEY:
No. It depends on the part or the
0
8 1
item.
We can walk them through and have them in the field 2
as fast as you can process which would probably be about an 3
hour.
Slower priorities move slower.
It depends on what 4
the priority is.
MR.
IBARRA:
Has this event caused a lot of work 6
on your technician's parts?
MR. KINSLEY:
Over and above the normal plan as 8
far as the HPCS outage?
10 MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
MR. KINSLEY:
I would estimate 25 to 50 percent 11 of the outage work bulk.
A number of those items are 12 strictly investigation type questions that we'e providing 13 input back to various groups that are looking at different 14 things that happened.
15 We'e had a number of calibrations requested.
16 Items such as that for the different groups.
17 MR.
IBARRA:
How many technicians do you actually 18 have on the event assessments answering questions?
19 MR. KINSLEY:
There isn't -- there isn'0 a set 20 number of technicians as far as dealing with those 21 particular, items.
It depends on the number of work items I 22 have on a particular day.
So it changes day to day.
Gary 23 Fleury, I assigned him to be our direct interface and then 24 John Dockum was helping him with the research and what not.
25 MR.
IBARRA:
I guess I didn't hear the first part
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1 of it.
Do you take care of also Unit One?
MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Just Unit Two?
MR. KINSLEY:
Just Unit Two.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
MR. KINSLEY:
I worked at Unit One prior to 7
coming to Unit Two.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
How many people do you have 9
under you?
10 MR. KINSLEY:
There's 64 technicians and then I ll have five -- or six supervisors and two clerks.
12 MR.
IBARRA:
They'e all under I&C or do you also 13 have electrical?
14 MR.
KINSLEY:
Just IGC.
15 MR.
IBARRA:
On the RCIC, in the system, can you 16 give me your insight as to what kind of problems they'e had 17 in the -- before, have they had before?
18 MR. KINSLEY:
To give you a good technical 19 listing I would have to review the maintenance history on 20 this system.
21 MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Some specifics; there's a flow 22 control problem when the operators started this system in 23 automatic?
24 MR. KINSLEY:
- Yeah, we do have a work item to 25 look at that oscillation type problem.
Ne had a work
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request for this weekend to calibrate the full controller, 2
that's been completed.
To the best of my knowledge,'here 3
was no problem found.
And we also have a work item to tune 4
once we get back up and have steam and get the system 5
operating and we hope to see something more positive out of 6
that investigation.
MR.
IBARRA:
Did it surprise you when there were 8
reports that it was oscillating when it was in the auto 9
position?
I mean, does that come as a surprise or is it 10 just saying well, we'e always had problems with this?
MR. KINSLEY: I don't recall it being a continual 12 problem.
They run a quarterly RCIC surveillance, it's not 13 my recollection that it's been a continual type problem with 14 it.
15 MR.
IBARRA:
Do you take care of the local fire 16 panels?
Do you have anything to do with that?
17 MR. KINSLEY:
We take care of broke-fix type 18 items.
Most of the procedural type requirements for them 19 and what not and replacing of detectors and what not is 20 presently done by the fire department.
21 MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know of the local alarms 22 within those panels like trouble and fire alarm?
Do you 23 have any knowledge of that?
24 25 MR. KINSLEY:
Specific knowledge MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
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11 MR.
KINSLEY: -- of specific alarms?
MR.
IBARRA:
On each panel.
MR.
KINSLEY:
No.
Those are tracked by the fire 4
department.
MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know what powers the red phone 6
in the emergency rooms, like the TSC and the control room?
MR.
KINSLEY:
No, I do not.
MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know the indications of the 9
safety relief valve in the control room?
Do you know the 10 indications in the control room?
12 13 14 15 tell me?
MR. KINSLEY:
The indications?
MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
And do you all work on those?
MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
MR.
IBARRA:
What, are they, lights?
Or can you 16 MR. KINSLEY:
There's lights, there's also alarms 17 that come off of the acoustic monitoring system.
We have 18 surveillances on that.
There's also temperature indications 19 for the discharge.
20 21 22 MR.
IBARRA: I don't have no more questions.
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Neither do I.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
Thank you.
Let's terminate 23 the interview.
24
[Whereupon, at 3:35 p.m., the taking of the 25 interview was concluded.]
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OFFICIALTRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS Agency:
Title:
Nuclear Regulatory Commission Incident Investigation Team Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant Interview Qf:
JAMES KINSLEY Docket No.
- Scriba, New York
- Monday, August 26, 1991 PAGES:
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FROM:
SUBJECT:
Martin J.
McCormick, Plant Manager, Nine Mile Faint Unit 2 Hayne L. Schmidt, Senior Resident Inspector, Nine Mile Point Review of IIT Interview Transcripts The IIT has sent the transcripts of interviews conducted with the personnel listed below to the resident inspector s office.
If any of the listed individuals wish to review the transcripts they should do so at the resident inspector s office by October 4, 1991.
Guidelines for the review of transcripts are provided in the enclosure.
If an individual does not review his transcript by that date we will assume that he did not wish to do so and that the statement is correct to the best of his knowledge.
Alan DOGarcia, Ste Doty, Dave Barre
. Jerry HelkerJim,BorxBo,b~randall Robert Bro ka, Perry
- rtsch, James Spadafore, Joe
- Savoca, Mike Colomb ames insl arty McCormick, Chris Kolod, Irin~errer, Fred Gerardine, elli, Jim Reid, Fred Hhite, Rick Glade, Bruce Hennigan, and Tom Tomlinson.
Thank you for your help. If there are any questions please contact me.
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Hayne L. Schmidt Senior Resident Inspector Nine Mile Point
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION INCIDENT INVESTIGATION TEAM 6
Interview of 7
,JAMES KINSLEY 8
(Closed) 10 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 Conference Room B
Administration Building Nine Mile Point Nuclear Power Plant, Unit Two Lake Road
- Scriba, New York 13093 Monday, August 26, 1991 The interview commenced, pursuant to notice, 20 at 3:20 p.m.
21 22 23 24 25 PRESENT FOR THE IIT:
John Kauffman, NRC Jose Ibarra, NRC
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P R 0 C
E E
D I N G
S
[3:20 p.m.]
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Good afternoon.
It's August 26/
4 1991 at 3:20 p.m.
We re in the Nine Mile Point, Unit Two P
5 Admin Building, talking to Jim Kinsley concerning an event 6
that occurred at Nine Mile Point Two on August 13, 1991.
My name is John Kauffman, I'm out of NRC 8
headquarters.
MR.
IBARRA:
And this is Jose Ibarra, I'm a member 10 of the IIT and I am looking after the IIC concerns.
11 MR. KINSLEY: I am James Kinsley and I am the 12 general supervisor of I&C Nine Mile Point, Unit Two.
13 MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Okay.
Good, Jim, at this point we 14 would like you to just start out by giving us a brief run 15 down on your previous work experience and background you 16 bring to this job and little bit about what your current job 17 responsibilities are?
18 MR. KINSLEY: I'e got,a bachelor's degree in 19 technology from Buffalo State.
I also have an associates 20 degree from Morrisville Technical College.
I started with 21 Niagara Mohawk in 1973, in the engineering department.
In 22 1975 I came up to Nine Mile as a technician.
Worked as a
23 technician until 1981, I believe, and at that point in time 24 took a position as assistant supervisor I&C for Unit Two and 25 in 1989 went to unit supervisor, I&C for Unit Two.
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MR.
IBARRA:
Jim, could you tell me what powers 2
the rod position indicator?
What UPS it comes out of?
MR. KINSLEY:
No, I cannot.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The 'sample
- pumps, the oxygen 5
and hydrogen, had they tripped during the event, has your 6
group started having any involvement into finding out what 7
happened on this?
MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
There has been a
WR written, 9
it was written over the weekend and we'e investigating that 10
- today, the results, I don't know as of yet, though the ll investigation may have concluded.
12 MR.
IBARRA:
And on the day of the event, on the 13 13th, of August, did you have any involvement whatsoever on 14 that?
15 MR. KINSLEY: I reported to the control room 16 after getting here.
That was -- by the time I got to the 17 control room it was probably a quarter after seven in the 18 morning.
And I maintained my position as I&C control room 19 support during the entire event.
20 MR.
IBARRA:
Can you tell me what you helped with 21 on that day?
22 MR. KINSLEY:
Basically, there was very few I&C 23 items to be taken care of.
I did some interface with the 24 OSC and the TSC as far as getting some damage control teams 25 organized, notifying the SSS what damage control teams were
0 0
4 1
going out and what not.
What overall, as far as I&C type 2
items, it was very quiet.
4 the UPS?
MR.
IBARRA:
Did you get involved in any advice on MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Anything on the transformers?
MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The drywell cooling fans 9
tripped during this event.
Have you done any work to 10 determine if this was a cause of the UPS failure?
12 MR. KINSLEY:
Not that I'm aware of.
MR.
IBARRA:
Is there any logic that you'e aware o
13 of that might have explained this?
14 MR.
KINSLEY:
Without investigating that prior to 15 now, I would have to look at the prints.
It's nothing I'm 16 aware of.
17 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The event also produced 18 booster pumps tripping and I guess that was 2A and another 19 one starting, is your group presently investigating that and 20 can you tell me what you do know about this?
21 MR. KINSLEY:
We currently have a
WR working as 22 part of the scram investigation work that my department has.
23 Where we'e looking at. the 38 valves and there is a
24 controller problem -- I'm sorry, position problem on one of 25 the valves.
And also it appears at the present time that we
e 5
1 have a bad transmitter where the transmitter saturates high 2
at lower than its normal input.
The work hasn't finalized yet, we'e still working 4
on it today.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
But this is due to the event 6
itself, right?
MR. KINSLEY:
That's my understanding of the 8
generation of the WR, yes.
10 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Can you explain to me what the 38 11 valves are, that is, their name?
12 MR. KINSLEY: I'd have to look at the prints.
I 13 don't recall.
14 MR.
IBARRA:
But does the 38 refer to valve number 15 or type?
16 17 18 MR. KINSLEY:
Valve number.
MR.
IBARRA:
Valve number.
MR. KINSLEY:
CNM 38B, I believe is the item 19 we'e working on today.
20 MR.
IBARRA:
There were other things that occurred 21 during the event like the cooling tower bypass valves 22
- opening, do you have any knowledge or are you all presently 23 working on this?
That's MOG, I think, 52 or MOV 52?
24 MR. KINSLEY:
No.
I'm aware that Gary Fleury was 25 looking into that logic, the results, I don't know,
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1 MR.
IBARRA:
What you -- excuse me.
What you have 2
working with you is actually technicians, right?
MR. KINSLEY:
Correct.
MR.
IBARRA:
So they'e taking direction and 5
arranging your--
MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
The off-gas isolation system 8
also, I guess, it isolated.
Are you presently working and 9
what do you know about this incident?
10 MR. KINSLEY:
Presently I don'. believe we ever 11 worked on them on the off-gas isolation.
I believe that 12 Rick Abbott's group, as part of the scram investigation, was 13 looking at that item.
14 MR.
IBARRA:
Would you all be called upon if there 15 is a logic explanation of this, looking at the logic to the 16 isolation itself?
17 MR. KINSLEY:
I would be called upon if it didn' 18 appear that it functioned correctly.
Normally the way that 19 they'e been handling these items is to have engineering 20 look at the logic to relate whether it should have been an 21 expected function and if not, then they would call on us or 22 depending on what the item might have been, it may be 23 electrical maintenance to do trouble shooting to find out 24 what the problem was.
25 MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
Another failure was the
7 1
condensate demineralizer bypass that was, I guess it went 2
- open, do you have any knowledge on this now?
MR. KINSLEY:
That's the first I heard that item.
MR.
IBARRA:
You'e not aware of any work requests 5
dealing with this?
MR. KINSLEY:
Not that I'm aware of, no.
MR.
IBARRA:
There's stack GEM's, I guess these 8
are your gas effluent monitoring system?
10 MR. KINSLEY:
Um hm.
MR.
IBARRA:
You have, I understand, two system, 11 one on the vent and one on the stack?
12 MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
13 MR.
IBARRA:
They were inoperable during the 14
- event, have you been working on this and do you have any 15 insight as to what might have gone wrong?
16 MR. KINSLEY:
- That, again, I don't believe we 17 have a specific work WR or LCR which is our calibration 18 data for that problem.
I have heard a number of 19 discussions, but as far as the scram investigation personnel 20 looking into it, I haven't heard of any concrete resolution 21 on that.
22 MR.
IBARRA:
How long does it take from the time a
23 work order is done or written up, to the time that you all 24 get involved?
What's the time delay here?
Days?
25 MR. KINSLEY:
No. It depends on the part or the
8 1
item.
We can walk them through and have them in the field 2
as fast as you can process which would probably be about an 3
hour.
Slower priorities move slower. It depends on what 4
the priority is.
MR.
IBARRA:
Has this event caused a lot of work 6
on your technician's parts?
MR. KINSLEY:
Over and above the normal plan as far as the HPCS outage?
10 MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
MR. KINSLEY:
I would estimate 25 to 50 percent strictly investigation type questions that we'e providing input back to various groups that are looking at different 12 13 14 things that happened.
11 of the outage work bulk.
A number of those items are 15 We'e had a number of calibrations requested.
16 Items such as that for the different groups.
17 18 MR.
IBARRA:
How many technicians do you actually have on the event assessments answering questions?
19 MR. KINSLEY:
There isn't -- there isn't a set 20 number of technicians as far as dealing with those 21 particular items.
It depends on the number of work items I 22 23 24 25 have on a particular day.
So it changes day to day.
Gary Fleury, I assigned him to be our direct interface and then John Dockum was helping him with the research and what not.
MR.
IBARRA: I guess I didn't hear the first part
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1 of it.
Do you take care of also Unit One?
MR. KINSLEY:
No.
MR.
IBARRA:
Just Unit Two?
MR.
KINSLEY:
Just Unit Two.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
MR. KINSLEY: I worked at Unit One prior to 7
coming to Unit Two.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
How many people do you have 9
under you?
10 MR.
KINSLEY:
There's 64 technicians and then I 11 have five -- or six supervisors and two clerks.
12 MR.
IBARRA:
They'e all under I&C or do you also 13 have electrical' 14 MR.
KINSLEY:
Just I&C.
15 MR.
IBARRA:
On the RCIC, in the system, can you 16 give me your insight as to what kind of problems they'e had 17 in the -- before, have they had before?
18 MR. KINSLEY:
To give you a good technical 19 listing I would have to review the maintenance history on 20 this system.
21 MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Some specifics; there's a flow 22 control problem when the operators started this system in 23 automatic?
24 MR.
KINSLEY:
- Yeah, we do have a work item to 25 look at that oscillation type problem.
We had a work
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request for this weekend to calibrate the full controller, 2
that's been completed.
To the best of my knowledge, there 3
was no problem found.
And we also have a work item to tune 4
once we get back up and have steam and get the system 5
operating and we hope to see something more positive out of 6
that investigation.
MR.
IBARRA:
Did it surprise you when there were 8
reports that it was oscillating when it was in the auto 9
position?
I mean, does that come as a surprise or is it 10 just saying well, we'e always had problems with this?
MR. KINSLEY: I don'0 recall it being a continual 12 problem.
They run a quarterly RCIC surveillance, it's not 13 my recollection that it's been a continual type problem with 14 it.
15 MR.
IBARRA:
Do you take care of the local fire 16 panels?
Do you have anything to do with that?
17 MR. KINSLEY:
We take care of broke-fix type 18 items.
Most of the procedural type requirements for them 19 and what not and replacing of detectors and what not is 20 presently done by the fire department.
21 MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know of the local alarms 22 within those panels like trouble and fire alarm?
Do you 23 have any knowledge of that?
24 25 MR.
KINSLEY:
Specific knowledge MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
11 MR. KINSLEY: -- of specific alarms?
MR.
IBARRA:
On each panel.
MR. KINSLEY:
No.
Those are tracked by the fire 4
department.
MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know what powers the red phone 6
in the emergency rooms,'ike the TSC and the control room?
MR. KINSLEY:
No, I do not.
MR.
IBARRA:
Do you know the indications of the 9
safety relief valve in the control room?
Do you know the 10 indications in the control room?
12 13 14 15 tell me?
MR. KINSLEY:
The indications?
MR.
IBARRA:
Yes.
And do you all work on those?
MR. KINSLEY:
Yes.
MR.
IBARRA:
What are they, lights?
Or can you 16 MR. KINSLEY:
There's lights, there's also alarms 17 that come off of the acoustic monitoring system.
We have 18 surveillances on that.
There's also temperature indications 19 for the discharge.
20 21 22 MR.
IBARRA: I don't have no more questions.
MR.
KAUFFMAN:
Neither do I.
MR.
IBARRA:
Okay.
Thank you.
Let's terminate 23 the interview.
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[Whereupon, at 3:35 p.m., the taking of the 25 interview was concluded.)
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